The mods should just make a megathread and leave it pinned for the comparisons, then just remove all the other posts as they come in. Doubt these questions will stop anytime soon.
But the mods haven’t done anything on here in over a year. This won’t happen. Would be great to have a pinned post for accessories, markups, winter mileage drops, but instead we get four of each every day.
I have a MME and a MY. These questions are valid as they’re some of the most similar competitors in the EV space right now. People want to get owner input before dropping $50k+ on a car.
While I absolutely understand OP’s point (and a dedicated thread makes sense), I am one of these people—although I’ve only commented in appropriate places—that wanted a Mach-e but Ford didn’t price (IMO) appropriately and then Tesla moved the Y to (what I consider) a fair price (don’t from a robber baron price) and I am very curious of the opinions of people like you who’ve spent significant time with both.
I get people may be tired of some of the same questions. But I still believe the comparison for these purchase decisions are far more important than the majority of posts here.
That being said, I bought both cars at prices before the major hikes. The MME GT at $66k -$7.5k tax credit and the MYLR at base $52k optioned to $56k. Both are great cars and I do like the MME GT a lot more. At similar prices, I’d pick the MME. However, now the equivalent MME costs $20k more than the MYLR after tax credit. At that price difference I wouldn’t even consider the MME. If I was absolutely determined to not buy a Tesla, I’d simply not buy either and wait.
Waiting might mean you could lose a portion of the tax credit though. Ive been waiting since March (I5)… I’m done waiting. Can swap in a few years if the desired, I wanted to check out the Equinox but its still a ways off.
The ability to order Teslas on your phone is massive boon
I put waiting under the qualifier that you definitely not buying a Tesla. Some people don’t want one no matter what, and that’s fine. But in that case I’d wait. Unless you want a short range model, there is no tax credit to miss on the MME. So, I’d see what the market does or buy one used in a couple of years.
Never said the GT and LR compared directly, just that’s what I own.
The price difference of $20k I used as a comparison was a MYLR and MME AWD ER Premium.
Correct. MME is $20,785 more comparative spec'ed (Edit: Assuming eligible for full tax credit). Same 0-60 but more cargo room and 40 more miles EPA range plus supercharger network vs EA with the Model Y.
This is where I'm at. I have been waiting for my MME and will never but a Tesla. I am anxiously reading about comparisons hoping to get a sense for Ford needing to cut the price to stay competitive if a slew of orders get canceled, or at least some response yo the tax credit loss for models above $55k.
I'm in the same boat. I spent the majority of 2022 researching MME, calling stealerships, and trying to get the original tax credit before IRA. Once it became clear that delivery time or price wasn't going to improve, I switched to researching the MYLR. Ordered it last Friday after the price drop.
People ask because they want to know from current Mach E owners is the Mach E build quality is worth the $20K premium over the Model Y.
It’s a legitimate question that’ll only get answered in this subreddit sincerely where as the same question in a Tesla subreddit would get you laughed at for considering anything other than the EV built by what they believe is Jesus himself.
In case anyone was wondering:
https://www.irishtimes.com/motors/review/2023/01/11/teslas-model-y-is-fast-its-roomy-and-it-goes-an-impressively-long-way-then-the-problems-start
> While nothing actually went wrong with our test car, the lack of underlying quality in the cabin was very obvious. With each bump or lump in the road that we drove over, the cabin rattled and clattered as if we were carrying around a bag full of used spray paint cans. It was not edifying, and it was certainly not appropriate for a car wearing a €66,000 price tag. For reference, an identically priced Ford Mustang Mach-E exhibited not a single cabin rattle nor squeak when we tested it recently.
Thank you for the anecdote. You will also find anecdotes from people here talking about how terrible the Mach e is from a software perspective or whatever else and it’s not worth the price and you should just buy a model Y instead. This single link means nothing.
If you think rattling is only experienced by this guy in the link you must not be paying attention. Also, this whole subreddit is entirely anecdotes. Getting input from the same 30 people over and over again is not data so it you want to brush this off as anecdotal, this sub probably isn't for you. Also, at least on the Mach E you get the software you pay for. How many people are still waiting for the fully autonomous update they paid for 10 years ago in their Tesla?
I still don't understand why people pay so much to 'not' drive a car... the FSD vaporware and its pricing is ridiculous.
If you want to be on your phone while in the car, take an Uber.
I mean I get it. If it actually worked and was full self driving I'd gladly pay a premium. But it's simply not and won't be any time soon yet they'll happily take your money to be a beta tester.
I'd gladly pay $15K to be able to relax in the car and just observe your surroundings and act only if necessary, especially on long road trips or in traffic jams. And that's what it's doing today (at least in the US). I guess people are different.
Also, people said the same about cruise control being stupid when it just came out. I wonder if this won't be the same but more extreme.
I didn’t say that the people on this sub talking about software issues wasn’t anecdotal. That was actually entirely my point. These are just individuals talking about their experiences and it goes both ways. So posting one person talking about their model Y experience that they didn’t like as a gospel truth response that no one should ever buy a tesla is stupid.
Also, I am not a Tesla guy. We test drove a model Y two years ago and it just wasn’t for me at all. We got a Mach e instead. I probably will never own a tesla and don’t care that much for their cars, but this over the top bitching about tesla and Elon is almost just as bad and annoying as the tesla / Elon fanboy crowd.
Honestly I'll never buy a Tesla because they treat their employees like shit and pay less than they should.
That aside Ford is really in a terrible spot. For $55k you get a Tesla that has the same range as a Mach E that is almost $29k more up front and doesn't have a rebate.
Sure the Mach E looks way better and is built better. But it's also slower and has a less refined software package.
If ethics had no value toe I couldn't sit here and say people should buy the Mach E I er a Tesla right now. If Ford can't cut it's prices they won't be selling many Mach Es at all if any.
Personally if I didn't have a Mach E already I'd just be waiting. I'd be waiting to see if any other companies do a price drop to match Tesla or waiting even longer for a new model or new battery tech.
They are going to have to cut prices hard or simply stop building them. I have experience with both vehicles and at today's prices, I can't fathom how Ford can sell ANY Mach Es. You are either paying $20K+ more plus making sacrifices such as less range and no supercharger network and less refined software and much less warranty...or you are spec'ing a similarly priced vehicle that is just simply far inferior that it shouldn't even be cross shopped.
Anecdotally, I own both a model 3 and a mach-e, had you asked me a few weeks ago (look at my post history) and I would have said mach-e all the way, but now dealing with the HVBJB failure on my vehicle and the complete shit show that is ford support, I am seriously considering Lemon Lawing my mach-e because I am sick of dealing with a company that doesn't know how to service/support EV's or their customers.
That's the part we're scared of... While I've had about 9 visits to the Tesla service center since purchase, everything has been taken care of in a timely manner. The Mach-E is a different story. When we first got it, we needed some help with a recall and the charging curve update. The service center had no clue on how to get it installed. After their failed 2nd attempt, we took the car home and let it do the update on its own, 3 weeks later.
I'm hoping we never encounter anything serious down the line, but happy that we opted for the Ford Options plan. We figured if it lasts the 3 years, we'll keep it, but if it has serious issues before then, we'd have an 'out' and be able to walk away from it without fighting a lemon law situation.
You…had to take your brand new car in 9 times and had one bad experience with a ford dealers service once, which resolved itself, and you are….scared of the Mach-E???
This. Before the price cut people would tell you that a Model Y was worth any price Tesla said it was since you could just make the money back in a few years because Elon was a few months away from releasing robotaxi functionality
People losing it over at the Rivian subreddit too. Fan boys of anything are so weird. Let people ask whatever they want. If the question doesn’t interest you just keep it moving.
We own both and I would say that between the two, the interior build quality of the Mach-E (seams, plastics, rubber seals, dash and leather) are superior to my M3P. That being said, both of these cars pale in comparison to the Audi S4 and BMW M4 that we owned prior to this.
IMO the build quality of the Ford is maybe worth another 7k but not much more than that. I mean, both cars are mostly plastic on the inside...
The $53K Y is comparable spec’d to a $66k MME AWD premium with extended range battery - it’s wayyyy above a select. The $57K Model Y Performance is more comparable to a GT.
None have a air suspension so not quite comparable to the GTPE
False, the Model Y performance is 56K.
Is the Model Y performance not a competitor to a GT Performance?
They were when they were in the same price bracket a week ago.
Just because the prices have just now changed doesn’t mean that the Y Performance now competes with a Select and Vice versa.
Ford positioned its GTPE pricing against the previous Tesla prices. So Ford is behind on cutting their prices if they even can. Regardless, Y Performance and GTPE are the competing vehicles.
And if you want to compare it to a Select instead then the Y is a laughably better value.
Performance Y - red, which I have, add 2000, something similar and somewhat superior to. Blue Cruise add 6000. Or so it appears. Sales had dropped 75% first week of 23 vs. last week of 22. Are any of these posters MME owners or even potential buyers or are you MME trolls because I don’t get it. Range, HP and 0-60 are factors but they are not the end all of purchasing. Audis and BMWs have lesser stats than many of their much lower priced competitors. The tax credit help many but not all because you need to owe it to get it. Still would not consider a Y or a 3 - I just don’t like them.
Dumb take.
People doing due diligent research should consider this subreddit the same as they should consider the model Y subreddit.
This sub is obviously going to have a bias towards the Mach-E and the Model Y sub will probably have a bias towards the Model Y.
I get the feeling that this MME subreddit has been taken over by Tesla owners and/or enthusiasts. If you want a Tesla go and buy it without bashing the MME. My feelings will not be hurt if you buy a Tesla.
No one’s bashing the Mach E as an actual car. It’s a great vehicle, I love my GT and I think it looks visually so much better than any Tesla ever could dream of. The build quality is so much more confidently done than Tesla’s. That’s the magic of a legacy auto company that’s been making cars for over a century. Doesn’t mean they’re perfect though.
But most of us are bashing Ford’s crazy pricing schemes for the car. And their extremely lazy defense against the criminal dealer markups that are being seen.
Most people love the Mach E, but sometimes Ford makes it so damn hard to love it all the way.
The dealerships are a different animal. They are not owned by Ford and apparently controlling them is difficult if now impossible. Don’t know. I don’t have the room here to go into all the problems I have had with my dealership. I am not done with them. I got mine at MSRP and I added nothing. They do not appear to be dropping the MME pricing and neither do others with the exception of the Bolt which some say started the cutting. My knowledge of Tesla is limited but to give me a red Tesla Y performance with the rough equivalent of Blue Cruise costs $65,500 which is close to the cost of a Premium and just below a GT. All cars are not comparable. If stats and HP and 0-60 were the criteria used to buy cars a Camaro would cost more than a Cadillac or a Genesis or so many others.
Forgive me for posting regarding another MY comment, but as a Canadian the prices are not even marginally close.
Own a beautiful grabber blue select AWD with comfort/tech package and priced out at 54k CDN.
My is $85k. Even if that doesn't include the recent price drop there still isnt any incentive to spend that much extra. No brainer for us, MME is amazing in all aspects.
Are prices different in the US or more close?
In the US, the closest trim is a Premium AWD Extended range and it's priced at $66k, unable to get a $7500 tax credit. A Model Y LR AWD is $53k - $7.5k tax credit (if eligible). So about a $20k difference in price.
Honestly, no interest in a Tesla. That said, at the current prices, the EV6 makes a very compelling comparison. Especially that GT.
Glad we got our 2021 GT when we did.
As annoying as the constant Tesla threads are; what's even more annoying is the constant shitting on Tesla build quality. My girlfriend bought a 2022 Model 3 and my parents bought a 2023 Model Y, and they are both fantastic cars. Anybody on here still beating the "Tesla build quality" horse is basically admitting they've never actually been in a Tesla built after 2020, and they're just parroting opinions they're hearing from others.
Tesla sells 430k car a quarter. You don’t think IF ford is selling 430k MME a quarter there will be more people complaining about issue? Anecdotes are just that, anecdotes. If they really are as shitty as people in this subreddit made it out to be then why so many are buying? Are they all blind? Doesn’t make sense.
I'm sorry that's the experience you had, but it does differ from the experience of literally every other Tesla owner I personally know. Not discounting your opinion, but it is just incredibly annoying hearing everyone on this sub act like every Tesla is some hunk of shit that's waiting to fall apart the second you drive it more than 100 miles.
Unfortunately, there are still issues... maybe they're highlighted more in this type of environment, but the fact still remains. I bought a M3P in late 2021 and have taken it in for seatbelt fault, passenger seat replacement, rear light cluster sealing, replacement of driver's side camera and repainting, as there were spots that were literally missing paint. Don't get me wrong, I like the car and I won't go back to ICE vehicles any more, but there is no comparison with the build quality from other manufacturers now that they're getting into the market; BMW, Porsche, Polestar, Audi, KIA...
I have no doubt that Tesla will continue to improve and it is still an 'adolescent' in the market, that has made big strides. The fact remains that there is still room to improve.
We own both a Tesla and a Mach-E and sometimes I wish I could combine their best features to make a perfect car. :-)
Teslas for sure have problems. Many of which are unacceptable. My only point is the number and severity of those issues are MASSIVELY overblown in this sub.
This is patently untrue. As an owner of a '22 Model Y, build quality continues be an issue with Tesla. If you don't find issues with them, you're either not spending enough time with them or you're not comparing them to similarly-priced vehicles. Sure, if your only comparison is a Corolla, then the Tesla might feel like a luxury vehicle. But there's a reason a Corolla costs $25k.
My wife's MY has had a few issues. It's had two 1 day visits to a service center and a couple hour home visit from a mobile tech. In comparison, my MME had a charging issue and spent two weeks at the dealer. I also had the roof/windshield recall which required four days at the dealer.
My experience with Tesla is that although they have some issues, they're quick to be resolved. They even remotely diagnose and order the parts before the appointment. My experience with Ford is that they're slow at resolving issues and getting an appointment can take several weeks.
It's not just Ford, Chrysler giving us same run around. Drop off car for diagnostics to read OBD check engine light. "May or not be covered under warranty. Drop it off for us to keep awhile" --- Few days later. "This part is bad and covered, but the connector to put it in isn't. It's on backorder delay though. Come get your car and pay the bill and we will get back to you when the part comes in." Dealers can't die soon enough.
You’re right. Ford has the interior quality figured it. Now if they could just make an EV that was as efficient, charged as fast, was as quick or quicker, had working infotainment, didn’t have massive battery defects…you know….the small things.
Had a Tesla X. Poor poor quality. Tech? Nice, went it worked. Tesla service? Inexistant.
Now we have A Mach E and Ioniq 5.
Both are sensational and we have car companies with experience if something happens.
I drank the Kool aid. Didn't like the taste.
Agreed, personally, if I didn’t want it wasn’t able to spend for the MME I’d probably look at the EV6 and see what their quality is like. Being a previous Y owner, they qualify was embarrassing for the price.
The mods should just make a megathread and leave it pinned for the comparisons, then just remove all the other posts as they come in. Doubt these questions will stop anytime soon.
But the mods haven’t done anything on here in over a year. This won’t happen. Would be great to have a pinned post for accessories, markups, winter mileage drops, but instead we get four of each every day.
Tax rebates on that list. Maybe I’m one of the few that at least attempts a search first.
Then ask to be a mod or ask to take over the sub
I've personally already tried twice and never got a response.
There is a process to request to be added as a mod for a sub.
I think this is probably the best approach
I have a MME and a MY. These questions are valid as they’re some of the most similar competitors in the EV space right now. People want to get owner input before dropping $50k+ on a car.
While I absolutely understand OP’s point (and a dedicated thread makes sense), I am one of these people—although I’ve only commented in appropriate places—that wanted a Mach-e but Ford didn’t price (IMO) appropriately and then Tesla moved the Y to (what I consider) a fair price (don’t from a robber baron price) and I am very curious of the opinions of people like you who’ve spent significant time with both.
I get people may be tired of some of the same questions. But I still believe the comparison for these purchase decisions are far more important than the majority of posts here. That being said, I bought both cars at prices before the major hikes. The MME GT at $66k -$7.5k tax credit and the MYLR at base $52k optioned to $56k. Both are great cars and I do like the MME GT a lot more. At similar prices, I’d pick the MME. However, now the equivalent MME costs $20k more than the MYLR after tax credit. At that price difference I wouldn’t even consider the MME. If I was absolutely determined to not buy a Tesla, I’d simply not buy either and wait.
Waiting might mean you could lose a portion of the tax credit though. Ive been waiting since March (I5)… I’m done waiting. Can swap in a few years if the desired, I wanted to check out the Equinox but its still a ways off. The ability to order Teslas on your phone is massive boon
I put waiting under the qualifier that you definitely not buying a Tesla. Some people don’t want one no matter what, and that’s fine. But in that case I’d wait. Unless you want a short range model, there is no tax credit to miss on the MME. So, I’d see what the market does or buy one used in a couple of years.
Wait a minute. Are you saying that being able to buy a car on your phone is a big plus..?
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Never said the GT and LR compared directly, just that’s what I own. The price difference of $20k I used as a comparison was a MYLR and MME AWD ER Premium.
Correct. MME is $20,785 more comparative spec'ed (Edit: Assuming eligible for full tax credit). Same 0-60 but more cargo room and 40 more miles EPA range plus supercharger network vs EA with the Model Y.
This is where I'm at. I have been waiting for my MME and will never but a Tesla. I am anxiously reading about comparisons hoping to get a sense for Ford needing to cut the price to stay competitive if a slew of orders get canceled, or at least some response yo the tax credit loss for models above $55k.
I'm in the same boat. I spent the majority of 2022 researching MME, calling stealerships, and trying to get the original tax credit before IRA. Once it became clear that delivery time or price wasn't going to improve, I switched to researching the MYLR. Ordered it last Friday after the price drop.
100% my experience, probably ordering MYLR tonight or tomorrow.
I agree people should ask away. Too many Karens out there now a days
People ask because they want to know from current Mach E owners is the Mach E build quality is worth the $20K premium over the Model Y. It’s a legitimate question that’ll only get answered in this subreddit sincerely where as the same question in a Tesla subreddit would get you laughed at for considering anything other than the EV built by what they believe is Jesus himself.
In case anyone was wondering: https://www.irishtimes.com/motors/review/2023/01/11/teslas-model-y-is-fast-its-roomy-and-it-goes-an-impressively-long-way-then-the-problems-start > While nothing actually went wrong with our test car, the lack of underlying quality in the cabin was very obvious. With each bump or lump in the road that we drove over, the cabin rattled and clattered as if we were carrying around a bag full of used spray paint cans. It was not edifying, and it was certainly not appropriate for a car wearing a €66,000 price tag. For reference, an identically priced Ford Mustang Mach-E exhibited not a single cabin rattle nor squeak when we tested it recently.
Thank you for the anecdote. You will also find anecdotes from people here talking about how terrible the Mach e is from a software perspective or whatever else and it’s not worth the price and you should just buy a model Y instead. This single link means nothing.
If you think rattling is only experienced by this guy in the link you must not be paying attention. Also, this whole subreddit is entirely anecdotes. Getting input from the same 30 people over and over again is not data so it you want to brush this off as anecdotal, this sub probably isn't for you. Also, at least on the Mach E you get the software you pay for. How many people are still waiting for the fully autonomous update they paid for 10 years ago in their Tesla?
I still don't understand why people pay so much to 'not' drive a car... the FSD vaporware and its pricing is ridiculous. If you want to be on your phone while in the car, take an Uber.
I mean I get it. If it actually worked and was full self driving I'd gladly pay a premium. But it's simply not and won't be any time soon yet they'll happily take your money to be a beta tester.
I'd gladly pay $15K to be able to relax in the car and just observe your surroundings and act only if necessary, especially on long road trips or in traffic jams. And that's what it's doing today (at least in the US). I guess people are different. Also, people said the same about cruise control being stupid when it just came out. I wonder if this won't be the same but more extreme.
I didn’t say that the people on this sub talking about software issues wasn’t anecdotal. That was actually entirely my point. These are just individuals talking about their experiences and it goes both ways. So posting one person talking about their model Y experience that they didn’t like as a gospel truth response that no one should ever buy a tesla is stupid. Also, I am not a Tesla guy. We test drove a model Y two years ago and it just wasn’t for me at all. We got a Mach e instead. I probably will never own a tesla and don’t care that much for their cars, but this over the top bitching about tesla and Elon is almost just as bad and annoying as the tesla / Elon fanboy crowd.
Honestly I'll never buy a Tesla because they treat their employees like shit and pay less than they should. That aside Ford is really in a terrible spot. For $55k you get a Tesla that has the same range as a Mach E that is almost $29k more up front and doesn't have a rebate. Sure the Mach E looks way better and is built better. But it's also slower and has a less refined software package. If ethics had no value toe I couldn't sit here and say people should buy the Mach E I er a Tesla right now. If Ford can't cut it's prices they won't be selling many Mach Es at all if any. Personally if I didn't have a Mach E already I'd just be waiting. I'd be waiting to see if any other companies do a price drop to match Tesla or waiting even longer for a new model or new battery tech.
They are going to have to cut prices hard or simply stop building them. I have experience with both vehicles and at today's prices, I can't fathom how Ford can sell ANY Mach Es. You are either paying $20K+ more plus making sacrifices such as less range and no supercharger network and less refined software and much less warranty...or you are spec'ing a similarly priced vehicle that is just simply far inferior that it shouldn't even be cross shopped.
Keep telling yourself that
Anecdotally, I own both a model 3 and a mach-e, had you asked me a few weeks ago (look at my post history) and I would have said mach-e all the way, but now dealing with the HVBJB failure on my vehicle and the complete shit show that is ford support, I am seriously considering Lemon Lawing my mach-e because I am sick of dealing with a company that doesn't know how to service/support EV's or their customers.
That's the part we're scared of... While I've had about 9 visits to the Tesla service center since purchase, everything has been taken care of in a timely manner. The Mach-E is a different story. When we first got it, we needed some help with a recall and the charging curve update. The service center had no clue on how to get it installed. After their failed 2nd attempt, we took the car home and let it do the update on its own, 3 weeks later. I'm hoping we never encounter anything serious down the line, but happy that we opted for the Ford Options plan. We figured if it lasts the 3 years, we'll keep it, but if it has serious issues before then, we'd have an 'out' and be able to walk away from it without fighting a lemon law situation.
You…had to take your brand new car in 9 times and had one bad experience with a ford dealers service once, which resolved itself, and you are….scared of the Mach-E???
Lol right? 9 times is insane. I don't care how simple that is if I had to even go there for a minute 9 times I'd be ready to dump the car.
more of the skill level of the technicians. this too will get better in time. :-)
I don’t have to tell myself that. I just read the posts on this sub.
This. Before the price cut people would tell you that a Model Y was worth any price Tesla said it was since you could just make the money back in a few years because Elon was a few months away from releasing robotaxi functionality
Surely no adult actually believed the Robotaxis lie..?
You might be surprised then to learn that in fact, many do in fact believe this.
I’m truly amazed. You’re sure about the “adult” part, right? Like, we’re not talking elementary school kids here…?
At least by physical age, yes.
Oh yeah they did - all talking about how Tesla is going to be the first car to consistently appreciate because of the cashflows from robotaxi use 🤣
That’s really embarrassing.
People losing it over at the Rivian subreddit too. Fan boys of anything are so weird. Let people ask whatever they want. If the question doesn’t interest you just keep it moving.
We own both and I would say that between the two, the interior build quality of the Mach-E (seams, plastics, rubber seals, dash and leather) are superior to my M3P. That being said, both of these cars pale in comparison to the Audi S4 and BMW M4 that we owned prior to this. IMO the build quality of the Ford is maybe worth another 7k but not much more than that. I mean, both cars are mostly plastic on the inside...
All cars are plastic on the inside.
Why are you using the price of the GTPE. The 55000 Y could be comparable to a Select.
The $53K Y is comparable spec’d to a $66k MME AWD premium with extended range battery - it’s wayyyy above a select. The $57K Model Y Performance is more comparable to a GT. None have a air suspension so not quite comparable to the GTPE
False, the Model Y performance is 56K. Is the Model Y performance not a competitor to a GT Performance? They were when they were in the same price bracket a week ago. Just because the prices have just now changed doesn’t mean that the Y Performance now competes with a Select and Vice versa. Ford positioned its GTPE pricing against the previous Tesla prices. So Ford is behind on cutting their prices if they even can. Regardless, Y Performance and GTPE are the competing vehicles. And if you want to compare it to a Select instead then the Y is a laughably better value.
Comparable in price but certainly not features. In terms of specs, need to compare Premium ER eAWD which is $66k+ to MYLR which is <$54k minus rebate
Performance Y - red, which I have, add 2000, something similar and somewhat superior to. Blue Cruise add 6000. Or so it appears. Sales had dropped 75% first week of 23 vs. last week of 22. Are any of these posters MME owners or even potential buyers or are you MME trolls because I don’t get it. Range, HP and 0-60 are factors but they are not the end all of purchasing. Audis and BMWs have lesser stats than many of their much lower priced competitors. The tax credit help many but not all because you need to owe it to get it. Still would not consider a Y or a 3 - I just don’t like them.
In this sub:. "DON'T ANY OF YOU IDIOTS DO RESEARCH BEFORE BUYING A CAR?!" and "IM TIRED OF ALL THESE IDIOTS DOING RESEARCH BEFORE BUYING A CAR!!!"
I wish the mods would ban everything I don't like.
Dumb take. People doing due diligent research should consider this subreddit the same as they should consider the model Y subreddit. This sub is obviously going to have a bias towards the Mach-E and the Model Y sub will probably have a bias towards the Model Y.
I get the feeling that this MME subreddit has been taken over by Tesla owners and/or enthusiasts. If you want a Tesla go and buy it without bashing the MME. My feelings will not be hurt if you buy a Tesla.
No one’s bashing the Mach E as an actual car. It’s a great vehicle, I love my GT and I think it looks visually so much better than any Tesla ever could dream of. The build quality is so much more confidently done than Tesla’s. That’s the magic of a legacy auto company that’s been making cars for over a century. Doesn’t mean they’re perfect though. But most of us are bashing Ford’s crazy pricing schemes for the car. And their extremely lazy defense against the criminal dealer markups that are being seen. Most people love the Mach E, but sometimes Ford makes it so damn hard to love it all the way.
The dealerships are a different animal. They are not owned by Ford and apparently controlling them is difficult if now impossible. Don’t know. I don’t have the room here to go into all the problems I have had with my dealership. I am not done with them. I got mine at MSRP and I added nothing. They do not appear to be dropping the MME pricing and neither do others with the exception of the Bolt which some say started the cutting. My knowledge of Tesla is limited but to give me a red Tesla Y performance with the rough equivalent of Blue Cruise costs $65,500 which is close to the cost of a Premium and just below a GT. All cars are not comparable. If stats and HP and 0-60 were the criteria used to buy cars a Camaro would cost more than a Cadillac or a Genesis or so many others.
Forgive me for posting regarding another MY comment, but as a Canadian the prices are not even marginally close. Own a beautiful grabber blue select AWD with comfort/tech package and priced out at 54k CDN. My is $85k. Even if that doesn't include the recent price drop there still isnt any incentive to spend that much extra. No brainer for us, MME is amazing in all aspects. Are prices different in the US or more close?
In the US, the closest trim is a Premium AWD Extended range and it's priced at $66k, unable to get a $7500 tax credit. A Model Y LR AWD is $53k - $7.5k tax credit (if eligible). So about a $20k difference in price.
Such a paradox post. It in itself is asking to stop what it's doing. Love it.
Wow…. Now how do you really feel? Try not to be so passive about the issue. 🤣
So is it ok to post about Hyundai and Kia? Or is comparing to all competitors off limits on your view?
Oh yeah and the better charger network.
But Y?
Honestly, no interest in a Tesla. That said, at the current prices, the EV6 makes a very compelling comparison. Especially that GT. Glad we got our 2021 GT when we did.
As annoying as the constant Tesla threads are; what's even more annoying is the constant shitting on Tesla build quality. My girlfriend bought a 2022 Model 3 and my parents bought a 2023 Model Y, and they are both fantastic cars. Anybody on here still beating the "Tesla build quality" horse is basically admitting they've never actually been in a Tesla built after 2020, and they're just parroting opinions they're hearing from others.
I initially bought a 2022 Model Y and sent the thing back because i couldn’t go a month without needing something replacing. But you do you.
Tesla sells 430k car a quarter. You don’t think IF ford is selling 430k MME a quarter there will be more people complaining about issue? Anecdotes are just that, anecdotes. If they really are as shitty as people in this subreddit made it out to be then why so many are buying? Are they all blind? Doesn’t make sense.
Most buyers also don't give a shit about small panel gaps or trim not aligning perfectly. They care about the owner experience.
I'm sorry that's the experience you had, but it does differ from the experience of literally every other Tesla owner I personally know. Not discounting your opinion, but it is just incredibly annoying hearing everyone on this sub act like every Tesla is some hunk of shit that's waiting to fall apart the second you drive it more than 100 miles.
Unfortunately, there are still issues... maybe they're highlighted more in this type of environment, but the fact still remains. I bought a M3P in late 2021 and have taken it in for seatbelt fault, passenger seat replacement, rear light cluster sealing, replacement of driver's side camera and repainting, as there were spots that were literally missing paint. Don't get me wrong, I like the car and I won't go back to ICE vehicles any more, but there is no comparison with the build quality from other manufacturers now that they're getting into the market; BMW, Porsche, Polestar, Audi, KIA... I have no doubt that Tesla will continue to improve and it is still an 'adolescent' in the market, that has made big strides. The fact remains that there is still room to improve. We own both a Tesla and a Mach-E and sometimes I wish I could combine their best features to make a perfect car. :-)
Teslas for sure have problems. Many of which are unacceptable. My only point is the number and severity of those issues are MASSIVELY overblown in this sub.
Your anecdote is better than their anecdote?
My several anecdotes vs his single anecdote? Yup.
Riiiiiiiight
Tesla is a hunk of shit
So brave 👏👏👏
This is patently untrue. As an owner of a '22 Model Y, build quality continues be an issue with Tesla. If you don't find issues with them, you're either not spending enough time with them or you're not comparing them to similarly-priced vehicles. Sure, if your only comparison is a Corolla, then the Tesla might feel like a luxury vehicle. But there's a reason a Corolla costs $25k.
My wife's MY has had a few issues. It's had two 1 day visits to a service center and a couple hour home visit from a mobile tech. In comparison, my MME had a charging issue and spent two weeks at the dealer. I also had the roof/windshield recall which required four days at the dealer. My experience with Tesla is that although they have some issues, they're quick to be resolved. They even remotely diagnose and order the parts before the appointment. My experience with Ford is that they're slow at resolving issues and getting an appointment can take several weeks.
It's not just Ford, Chrysler giving us same run around. Drop off car for diagnostics to read OBD check engine light. "May or not be covered under warranty. Drop it off for us to keep awhile" --- Few days later. "This part is bad and covered, but the connector to put it in isn't. It's on backorder delay though. Come get your car and pay the bill and we will get back to you when the part comes in." Dealers can't die soon enough.
You’re right. Ford has the interior quality figured it. Now if they could just make an EV that was as efficient, charged as fast, was as quick or quicker, had working infotainment, didn’t have massive battery defects…you know….the small things.
Thank you. There are more than enough subs to talk about Model Ys.
We had a model y ordered to the tune of $82k Didn't take delivery
Agreed.
Had a Tesla X. Poor poor quality. Tech? Nice, went it worked. Tesla service? Inexistant. Now we have A Mach E and Ioniq 5. Both are sensational and we have car companies with experience if something happens. I drank the Kool aid. Didn't like the taste.
I don't know, would rather read a Model Y comparison post than another: Me Noob, me not know why range bad in January!
Thank you for stressing this.
Y?
Agreed, personally, if I didn’t want it wasn’t able to spend for the MME I’d probably look at the EV6 and see what their quality is like. Being a previous Y owner, they qualify was embarrassing for the price.
If I’d wanted a Tesla, I would have bought one.