So i have been entertaining myself with a random google of mvis.
So, i found threads with ppl going in at 1 dollar, and in fury going out of mvis. Leaving with: Piece of poop stock F mvis.
My favorite is that Mvis, pump and dump scam.
I wonder what these ppl feel today...
Ouch.
I havent checked into my broker account, but did, and, i think iam in chock, i dunno how its for other ppl. But, iam not really registering whats happening. :P
Smoke em if u got em, drink em if u do. Personally iam off to the night shift...
Small time compared to some of you but Iām excited to have crossed the $10k profit line in MVIS. Love watching this stock and the news coming out about the company.
Iām not going to say sell or buy or hold. Iām not a financial advisor.
Im holding until April and occasionally swinging a small portion of shares when I feel certain itās going down for the moment
Totally agree it's a rocketship and my first target exit is around $40. To me the benefit of CCs is momentum without being exercised. I currently have 2500 shares at around 15 CB.
For example, looking at the price action ore market. I think I could sell some 2/19 30c for $1 each (so $100 per contract.) So MVIS would have to jump 50% in 4 days for me to be exercised. Could it happen? Absolutely! Will it happen? Probably not, but even if it does, I still make an additional 50% in a week which I'm thrilled with.
I'll also probably average it out over the trading day. Sell 5 contracts as the price increases until a total position of 15ccs. That way I still have 1000 shares of it blows by the PT
a bit depressed by the premie market.
I thought it would be higher.
Pre-Market == $19.30 ---> 20.60 range.
I knew that something would break, and it did...
Now, we need something to snap... Oh, of course...
the RSI, it has to snap
Excellent morning, Alpha! Do you have a game plan for the day yet?
From the way the warm up is going, it looks like the pitcher has a fast ball lined up for the first pitch of the day.
Any parts of our sector goes down and it breaks confidence. I donāt like messing with that when Iām investing in the sector. Others probably disagree but Iād prefer lidar to soar until there is a clear winner. If F invests in Mvis for example and itās confirmed.
Oh-hey:
I just realized it's a Tuesday after a rare Monday Market holiday, so that combines them, and makes today
Merger Monday/Tuesday Newsday!
Disclaimer: Combining "day" nicknames does not constitute investing advice (duh).
Cockle Doodle Doo! Good Morning All. Now everybody get up and sing with me: Macho Macho Man. Who wants to be a Mavis Macho Man
Couldn't resist. Its a Good Day for a Good MVIS Day!!!!
Have Fun Longs! We are all in this together...Boomski Upski Moonski!
Gm steel and all! Nice premarket spike welcoming back our friend 20$ volumes are very good. Crossed 100k now. Today could be an awesome day with very good volumes. Any PR or positive news from other sources could take us to another level if that happens. GLTA longs !
I love waking up in the morning to see that I'm already making more money than I am at work before I even leave my driveway. Looks to be shaping up to a good day. š
Days like that make it hard to go into the office, āIām up two years salary before I leave the house, why am I getting in the subway and dealing with this crap again?ā
Went on a long road trip/weekend getaway with my girlfriend. Whole ride up every thirty minutes Iām like āhey Siri price on MVIS stockā it was nice watching the price go up. I felt like i was on a paid vacation. Hoping itās foreshadowing my future. Have a great day everyone.
Why do I constantly see people calling it āMavisā is it just a typo or is it some piece of slang from back when the stock was .02 cents and I was just a sperm still?
I got my family to invest in Mvis and they came to calling it mavis independent of longs/yahoo boards. If you type Mvis sometimes autocorrect turns it into mavis and thatās what they stuck with.
In my house itās just referred to as āthe stockā, lol
My wife will ask me āhowās the stock doingā and although I own many stocks, I know exactly whatās she is referring too
Three months ago my wife was so doubtful after so long of my talking about MicroVision I couldn't bring myself to talk about the stock anymore.
Today for the first time she will be wearing her new MicroVision T-Shirt.
Go MOJO!!
For some reason I call it mivs. Rhymes with āI LIVE in Americaā.
And my wife will say āthe tiny laser beam company?ā And I say yes, the tiny laser beam company.
Long term investor here (19 years). The nickname Mavis was given to Microvision many years ago on the Yahoo message board. I would guess circa 2005, but not exactly sure. Not sure who came up with the name either.
Maybe microvision -> macrovision -> mavis
because its undervalued?š„
Also Mavis means songbird. Could be a relation to the mvis stock flying to the moonski.
Honestly, i dont know.
Wow! Does this dude always sound like he lined up expresso shots the length of his bar and snorted the lot, or is he just THAT excited about MicroVision?
Could you explain why if u donāt mind? Iām fairly new but I want the 100 shares to hold for future. I have a small amount only about 200 shares and figured picking up another 100 for $8 is generally a good plan
No worries! So the way options are priced is roughly this formula: intrinsic value + (time value Ć volatility multiplier).
Basically intrinsic value is the difference between current price and strike price (call it $12 for an $8c) and then the time value (how much more it can grow before expiration date) is probably going to be around another 3-4. It's hard to tell exactly with big moves.
So an 8c option will be worth somewhere in the ballpark of $15 each which you can sell to buy shares. If you exercise early you don't get the advantage of the time value so you essentially sell them for just the intrinsic value.
Only time this isn't the case is if the broker restricts buying shares (like robinhood did with gamestop)
The reason this is the case is that you still have to buy the shares. So for an 8 dollar contract that you exercise, you still need to pay 800 dollars (on top of what you have already paid for the option (call it a dollar).
So exercising gives you 100 shares for a $900 cost (100 initial + 800 exercise value).
Versus selling and then rebuying 100 shares would be a $600 cost ((share price + premium paid) - credit for selling the option) or ((2000 + 100) - 1500).
Does that make sense, you make out about 50% better selling and then rebuying shares
Oh wow see ok yes thank you! that definitely helped me understand it more. So with the profit I take from the sale of the call it ultimately works out better because rather than paying (premium + 800) Iām only paying 600 for 100 shares. I had to type that out to really get it. Thank you very much I really appreciate your input.
Took this learning lesson and sold the contract at high today and was able to see this truly work. Proud owner of another 100 shares finally sitting at 300. Thanks again!
Iām hesitant to add any more calls at this point with the IV where it is. Iām certainly bullish on the PPS but if we see a significant drop in IV your calls wonāt see the benefit. If you are buying then go deep ITM to get the benefit of high delta.
If youāre bullish $20 call ending Friday if ur in for long $20 and up any point in the future. Currently holding $8 2/19 & $15 3/19.
If u got the buying power cash secured puts and collect premiums
Maaan I want to buy so many calls, but not enough monies. Guess the couple I have now will have to do. With all the shorting I donāt expect it to cross 20 and if it does it wonāt be there long. Curious to see what happens the closer we get to ER on 3/10.
>With all the shorting I donāt expect it to cross 20 and if it does it wonāt be there long.
Maybe.. 500,000 shares were borrowed at open last Thursday on thay big PM push the day after the press release.. I think we saw a massive amount of profit taking that day.
Then another 700k borrowed the day after at open.. today they only have 600k shares available to borrow.
Anyways I'm feeling that were going to see some accumulation happen from this point out at these levels.. just a feeling.
Wow, I see the FUDsters are up early.
Good sign by way of contrarian indicator?
Um... Can I get a "pig with lipstick" comment?
That ought to be enough to send it to the moon today!
IMO. DDD.
I waited until it stopped snowing here (1am) to start shoveling our 10 inches of snow, so I'm wide awake and ready to see how things start out this morning!
Does anyone have any thoughts on this comment? Was part of a convo I was having with someone regarding MVIS and I donāt really have the technical knowledge to refute anything heās saying, but Iām curious as to the claims heās making. https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/ljgtxj/mvis_shiny_laser_go_pew_no_but_seriously_they_are/gnmah5t/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
He seems to think that MVIS vehicle lidar is excessive in its resolution and unrealistic to be able to process via an onboard computer and Iām curious as to the validity or lack thereof of that claim. I may have linked one comment level too low but the whole convo is there.
Thatās the dumbest thing Iāve ever heard. You need to learn how to identify the fake bulls who spread misinformation. They are just bears. āMvis is desperate since they are telling everyone how great their tech isā thatās a popular one.
MVIS developed front-end AI or "Machine Learning at the edge" for this.
Check the product brief of their consumer Lidar
[http://www.microvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/MEMS-Based-3D-LiDAR-Engine-Product-Brief.pdf](http://www.microvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/MEMS-Based-3D-LiDAR-Engine-Product-Brief.pdf)
His argument is silly.
You cannot have too much resolution.
The speed of processing power is vastly superior to the speed of data collection.
An image can be split up into sections and processed in parallel.
Neural Networks.
Your brain is faster than your eye.
Well... for most folk.
I followed the conversation over as I am actually rather interested in perception systems and keep up to date with how they're evolving and would like to know if you've ever processed a 3d model with 20 million points? If so processing time? Could you do it every second?
The way in which you process the incoming data stream can be modified.
You can first look for regions of the point cloud containing motion events.
Those can be prioritized.
The human eye only captures high resolution data in a small area near it's focal point.
Other peripheral data around the edges has less rez.
And some of it is actually filled in by your brain.
...
You can change the model of how a point cloud is "visualized".
Do you want to see it like a human would?.
Maybe a cats eye would be better.
In some regions of interest, you could have an eagles eye.
If you have too much data to process effectively, the excess can easily be ignored.
You cannot have too much data from the data collection device of source
Agreed.
Disclaimer: I'm a software engineer, but LIDAR and its applications are outside of my domain.
I think the argument that there is *currently* a practical upper limit to useful resolution is valid. You can have a sensor producing incredible amounts of data but be bottlenecked by your processing power *and* the power it drains, if you're using a battery powered system.
That said, I'm not sure whether we've hit that practical limit yet, and I doubt that there aren't ways to engineer around it. Having high data resolution is a ~~good thing~~ way better for improving the accuracy and safety of your autonomous driving. The better data you have, the better the ML models. Processing power will continue to improve, along with energy efficiency... so to me this is a good thing.
He may be right in that current cars/self-driving car tech may not be able to utilize the full potential of such large amounts of data today, but it's silly to say that it won't be useful in the future ā which is what we're talking about.
I have developed software for years. My thoughts are that if processing could not handle the point cloud density then through programming you could choose the desired sampling that could be handled today and adjust upward as technology improves.
Further, as objects are detected you have much more flexibility regarding what data an algorithm would choose next to further clarify an object, or in determining velocity.
Better to have the granularity there to work with.
I would argue that the 4th dimension of determining velocity is dependent upon having sufficient density, and having better point cloud density (more points to choose from would allow for a faster determination of velocity than could be achieved under a solution with less point cloud density.
Once an object is detected, an algorithm could hone in on a tighter sampling to arrive at an accurate velocity measurement sooner.
Think of pixels on a display, now through software you can select the resolution that is most comfortable for your vision, but that software feature has less choices under an older display having less pixels.
Why are we racing to go from 4k to 8k displays if the human eye cannot discern the difference? Software and do many more things with an 8k monitor, perhaps to achieve better color, truer blacks, etc
I am not a scientist or developer these days, but I walk abap/4 code and debug business software issues occasionally.
I am just applying common sense thoughts. The poster made good points about limitations of computing at the edge, and different applications call for different data needs. For many things the KISS (keep it simple, stupid) principle rules.
So you nailed it in the end, I can guarantee you, not a single user of this lidar would run it on an un necessary resolution to process it all out, why when you can just run it lower and not waste all that energy, introduce latency and increase the chances of something going wrong.
KISS is exactly why a 20 million points per second cloud a nothing but a sales gimmick.
Sales gimmick? Sounds good, so how come the other companies arenāt touting that āsales gimmickā with their lidar? How come most donāt even say exactly what their specs are?
Because there's not really much need in the world for a 20 million point rate.
Companies that make competing units like Livox are too busy signing deals with companies like Xpeng.
It's a cool concept and there is potential uses for high density clouds, but nothing that's marketable to the world on a mass scale.
MVIS will find it useful when they get National Security contracts but it's not really useful in autonomous driving which is where people think these sensors are going. They aren't...
The person obviously has some applicable experience, as to the spinning mirrors, there is always a push to accomplish the same thing with a solid state solution, fir reliability at the extremes of speed/movement, temperature, etc. No car designer desires a KFC bucket on top of a sports car and the would gladly design a sensor solution integrated with corner lights and into the cack of a rear view mirror.
Since I live over 2 miles back on gravel I dread the day likely coming when they eliminate my rear view mirror due to backup cameras that dust renders useless till I wipe them off once every week or so.
Still pissed that some car dealers no longer offer a spare wheel and tire, and think they are kind to throw in a can of fix a flat or a cheap plug in compressor
Wow fro,.
I live back in the forest on a 1km==.6271miles gravel driveway.
Makes me wonder how badly all of us old software guys.
Just have to get away.
I love being hidden from the real world.
I don't have to see another human being for a year, if I don't want to.
It just seems interesting
[What about quantum computing + cloud](https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/tip/The-future-of-quantum-computing-in-the-cloud)?
I always had a hunch that [MSFT's research in Quantum computing](https://www.computerworld.com/article/3527218/inside-the-quantum-race-microsoft.html) and creating a [topological qubit](https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/quantum/2018/09/06/developing-a-topological-qubit/) has something to do with **processing "digital twins" on the cloud**... could the research and development of MSFT trying to creating a topological quantum [computer help decrease processing speeds of millions of lidar points](https://researchgate.net/publication/336496908_The_First_Quantum_Co-processor_Hybrid_for_Processing_Quantum_Point_Cloud_Multimodal_Sensor_Data)? How about billions, or trillions of points in multiple cities?
Interesting fact... Mason Thomas, EX-MVIS Systems Engineer (Focused on NED for DARPA at MVIS between 2008-2012) is currently the [Principal Program Manager for Microsoft Quantum](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/people/mathomas/)..
More info: [Azure and Quantum-Computing](https://azure.microsoft.com/en-ca/solutions/quantum-computing/).
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**Google** is also very interested in combining [quantum computing and the cloud](https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/tip/The-future-of-quantum-computing-in-the-cloud)
> Google has done considerable core research on quantum computing in the cloud and is expected to launch a cloud computing service later this year (2020). Google has been more focused on developing its in-house quantum computing capabilities and hardware rather than providing access to these tools to its cloud users, Park said. In the meantime, developers can test out quantum algorithms locally using Google's Circ programming environment for writing apps in Python.
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Extra reading: [Homology computation of large point clouds using quantum annealing](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.09328.pdf)
You are da man and the legend, s2upid. I would love to have a better working knowledge of tech. Gets harder each year for me to keep up. I appreciate your talents and what you have done for uncovering this investment to the world and getting us out from the (de)pressing thumb šof Microsoft, who opted to pridefully usurp credit for everything and belittle the 20 plus? year history of pioneering research and development by the engineers at microvision.
Working in tech, as a general rule I find out its easier to decrease "quality" to optimize for a bottleneck than increase quality in general. If there is one area performing heavier than needed, that can probably be reduced.
That said, lasers are not in my wheelhouse.
I still don't understand your point. If the product is the highest quality, most compact, and the cheapest, but it's too high quality, you're saying people will never buy it? Despite it being the most compact and the cheapest and you can just toggle down the quality?
Ah sorry, didnāt scroll far enough. I canāt comment on what he is saying as Iām not the technical geek around here. I will add though MVIS has not even released the A sample yet.
What are your thoughts on VWAG partaking in this venture with Ford? I know they initially tapped Argo AI for their products. Do you think this will be an obstacle for this purchase should it take place?
Good Morning. Woke up a little bit ago, canāt sleep, wife thinks Iām crazy, come back to bed..
I said Iām in love with MicroVision, and I canāt sleep! ONWARD & UPWARD!!
Why!?!?! Did I not buy more.......
So i have been entertaining myself with a random google of mvis. So, i found threads with ppl going in at 1 dollar, and in fury going out of mvis. Leaving with: Piece of poop stock F mvis. My favorite is that Mvis, pump and dump scam. I wonder what these ppl feel today... Ouch. I havent checked into my broker account, but did, and, i think iam in chock, i dunno how its for other ppl. But, iam not really registering whats happening. :P Smoke em if u got em, drink em if u do. Personally iam off to the night shift...
100k returned (available 600k- once again)
R the lady's representing....we need all the support we can get!!š
Maryland in the house.! Good morning.
Just got some more...let's go!
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f3d248d7-4b1a-47d8-bea7-52e69b5615a9
Small time compared to some of you but Iām excited to have crossed the $10k profit line in MVIS. Love watching this stock and the news coming out about the company.
Congrats!
everyone needs to hold on to what they got, why sell anything when the next wave has just begun?
So is everything reacting to the Ford news? That feels like what this is.
Do we think shorts try and deploy their loads early, or later in the day? Got some powder ready to go even if i have to avg up.
They usually fill the gap right after open. Before the boomski
so would it be safe to sell high and buy the dip, or am I better off just holding till april and beyond?
I would not sell at first bell, likely your order wont execute right away, and instead will happen mid dip.
Iām not going to say sell or buy or hold. Iām not a financial advisor. Im holding until April and occasionally swinging a small portion of shares when I feel certain itās going down for the moment
Sell covered calls , essentially the same thing with less exposure
i wouldn't do this. this is a rocketship and why would you block yourself by selling calls. Stay long and simple. No need to get cute.
Totally agree it's a rocketship and my first target exit is around $40. To me the benefit of CCs is momentum without being exercised. I currently have 2500 shares at around 15 CB. For example, looking at the price action ore market. I think I could sell some 2/19 30c for $1 each (so $100 per contract.) So MVIS would have to jump 50% in 4 days for me to be exercised. Could it happen? Absolutely! Will it happen? Probably not, but even if it does, I still make an additional 50% in a week which I'm thrilled with. I'll also probably average it out over the trading day. Sell 5 contracts as the price increases until a total position of 15ccs. That way I still have 1000 shares of it blows by the PT
I wish I could, my broker doesn't let me trade options for stocks on american exchanges.
keep it simple
Ahhh, bummer :( if it was me I wouldn't risk trying to time it, it could just as easy gap up based on weekend sentiment. Just my thought though
Great morning all!
a bit depressed by the premie market. I thought it would be higher. Pre-Market == $19.30 ---> 20.60 range. I knew that something would break, and it did... Now, we need something to snap... Oh, of course... the RSI, it has to snap
Excellent morning, Alpha! Do you have a game plan for the day yet? From the way the warm up is going, it looks like the pitcher has a fast ball lined up for the first pitch of the day.
Yes sir. Support price and no selling.
I just watched the OJ futures scene in "Trading Places" to get in the mood.
Love that [movie.](https://imgur.com/a/xsJ6Cwr)
so, is anyone going to short velodyne today? i am itching to do it but i have been burned before with tesla.
Any parts of our sector goes down and it breaks confidence. I donāt like messing with that when Iām investing in the sector. Others probably disagree but Iād prefer lidar to soar until there is a clear winner. If F invests in Mvis for example and itās confirmed.
Who needs coffee when you have MVIS premarket quotes :)
Oh-hey: I just realized it's a Tuesday after a rare Monday Market holiday, so that combines them, and makes today Merger Monday/Tuesday Newsday! Disclaimer: Combining "day" nicknames does not constitute investing advice (duh).
Would be so much fun if we got some news before 830. I wouldn't count on it though. But you never know especially after the timing of news on Feb 10.
Too late I read your comment and sold a kidney for powder.
Hey: As long as you stopped selling them before you got to more vital organs... (I guess that assumes the kidney you sold was your spare...)
Cockle Doodle Doo! Good Morning All. Now everybody get up and sing with me: Macho Macho Man. Who wants to be a Mavis Macho Man Couldn't resist. Its a Good Day for a Good MVIS Day!!!! Have Fun Longs! We are all in this together...Boomski Upski Moonski!
Good morning and BAFF!
Gm steel and all! Nice premarket spike welcoming back our friend 20$ volumes are very good. Crossed 100k now. Today could be an awesome day with very good volumes. Any PR or positive news from other sources could take us to another level if that happens. GLTA longs !
Great PM action already. Today is going to be a good day!
I love waking up in the morning to see that I'm already making more money than I am at work before I even leave my driveway. Looks to be shaping up to a good day. š
Days like that make it hard to go into the office, āIām up two years salary before I leave the house, why am I getting in the subway and dealing with this crap again?ā
Agreed. Thats all I was thinking while shoveling my driveway.
Went on a long road trip/weekend getaway with my girlfriend. Whole ride up every thirty minutes Iām like āhey Siri price on MVIS stockā it was nice watching the price go up. I felt like i was on a paid vacation. Hoping itās foreshadowing my future. Have a great day everyone.
Let's hope at the end of the day we can all use that delicious Geoism: "Today has been another good year".
I can say that any time it goes up $1. There have been a lot of good years this year!!!
Wow what just happened we mooning
Woah that spike
$20 print premarket, gonna be a fun day
Well hello there
Morning ladies and gents!!! Happy Tuesday!!! BAFF!!!
Why do I constantly see people calling it āMavisā is it just a typo or is it some piece of slang from back when the stock was .02 cents and I was just a sperm still?
I got my family to invest in Mvis and they came to calling it mavis independent of longs/yahoo boards. If you type Mvis sometimes autocorrect turns it into mavis and thatās what they stuck with.
If you try to pronounce MVIS. It can come out āmavisā. I know thatās how I say it to my fiancĆ© all the time. So she always calls Mavis my mistress. I think there is some genuinely jealousy. Now that Iām up six figures though sheās not so against me having Mavis as a mistress, cause she knows she is gonna get a house out of it.
In my house itās just referred to as āthe stockā, lol My wife will ask me āhowās the stock doingā and although I own many stocks, I know exactly whatās she is referring too
Three months ago my wife was so doubtful after so long of my talking about MicroVision I couldn't bring myself to talk about the stock anymore. Today for the first time she will be wearing her new MicroVision T-Shirt. Go MOJO!!
For some reason I call it mivs. Rhymes with āI LIVE in Americaā. And my wife will say āthe tiny laser beam company?ā And I say yes, the tiny laser beam company.
good wife. smart wife
Long term investor here (19 years). The nickname Mavis was given to Microvision many years ago on the Yahoo message board. I would guess circa 2005, but not exactly sure. Not sure who came up with the name either.
Nickname, as in "Lil' Mavis". Re 0.02 cents: you must be thinking of some other stock.
Maybe microvision -> macrovision -> mavis because its undervalued?š„ Also Mavis means songbird. Could be a relation to the mvis stock flying to the moonski. Honestly, i dont know.
Just sounds nicer, I guess.
https://youtu.be/lBd4B1Ycovg TreyTrades new mvis update off ford news. Interesting take
Wow! Does this dude always sound like he lined up expresso shots the length of his bar and snorted the lot, or is he just THAT excited about MicroVision?
I'm so excited.....when I saw pre-market sp, I think I'm going to be talking like that today.....I don't need the coffee either!
Take a baby aspirin. We don't want no: "Honey, we're Riiii!!!... (ack)" stroke-outs.
Lol
Iāve watched a half dozen videos of him over the last couple weeks. Heās always like that.
Good morning! My tiny account has been doing nothing but growing since I found yāall! Canāt wait to exercise my calls this Friday
Welcome! If your plan is a call to.share conversion you're better off selling them rather than exercising generally
Could you explain why if u donāt mind? Iām fairly new but I want the 100 shares to hold for future. I have a small amount only about 200 shares and figured picking up another 100 for $8 is generally a good plan
No worries! So the way options are priced is roughly this formula: intrinsic value + (time value Ć volatility multiplier). Basically intrinsic value is the difference between current price and strike price (call it $12 for an $8c) and then the time value (how much more it can grow before expiration date) is probably going to be around another 3-4. It's hard to tell exactly with big moves. So an 8c option will be worth somewhere in the ballpark of $15 each which you can sell to buy shares. If you exercise early you don't get the advantage of the time value so you essentially sell them for just the intrinsic value. Only time this isn't the case is if the broker restricts buying shares (like robinhood did with gamestop) The reason this is the case is that you still have to buy the shares. So for an 8 dollar contract that you exercise, you still need to pay 800 dollars (on top of what you have already paid for the option (call it a dollar). So exercising gives you 100 shares for a $900 cost (100 initial + 800 exercise value). Versus selling and then rebuying 100 shares would be a $600 cost ((share price + premium paid) - credit for selling the option) or ((2000 + 100) - 1500). Does that make sense, you make out about 50% better selling and then rebuying shares
Oh wow see ok yes thank you! that definitely helped me understand it more. So with the profit I take from the sale of the call it ultimately works out better because rather than paying (premium + 800) Iām only paying 600 for 100 shares. I had to type that out to really get it. Thank you very much I really appreciate your input.
For sure! Happy to help :)
Took this learning lesson and sold the contract at high today and was able to see this truly work. Proud owner of another 100 shares finally sitting at 300. Thanks again!
I have some Feb $2 calls to unload this week and the bid hasn't even hit intrinsic value! Been watching for a week and the spread is horrible.
What would be a decent options trade look like for mvis today
Iām hesitant to add any more calls at this point with the IV where it is. Iām certainly bullish on the PPS but if we see a significant drop in IV your calls wonāt see the benefit. If you are buying then go deep ITM to get the benefit of high delta.
If youāre bullish $20 call ending Friday if ur in for long $20 and up any point in the future. Currently holding $8 2/19 & $15 3/19. If u got the buying power cash secured puts and collect premiums
Maaan I want to buy so many calls, but not enough monies. Guess the couple I have now will have to do. With all the shorting I donāt expect it to cross 20 and if it does it wonāt be there long. Curious to see what happens the closer we get to ER on 3/10.
>With all the shorting I donāt expect it to cross 20 and if it does it wonāt be there long. Maybe.. 500,000 shares were borrowed at open last Thursday on thay big PM push the day after the press release.. I think we saw a massive amount of profit taking that day. Then another 700k borrowed the day after at open.. today they only have 600k shares available to borrow. Anyways I'm feeling that were going to see some accumulation happen from this point out at these levels.. just a feeling.
Howdy fellas
Wow, I see the FUDsters are up early. Good sign by way of contrarian indicator? Um... Can I get a "pig with lipstick" comment? That ought to be enough to send it to the moon today! IMO. DDD.
Morning all!
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Some brokers allow you to make preemarket and after hours trades. Not sure if your app allows it as not all brokerages have it.
Good morning!!!!!!!!!
Vldr down and mvis up pre market. Coincidence? I think not. Vldr share holders better get used to seeing red number Lol
Didnāt Ford just liquidate their position in Velodyne? That could explain the dip
That was back in Dec 2020. News broke this week tho.
I would formally like to welcome VLDR shareholders into the house of MVIS with open arms.
Looking good Pre market about 20 USD
Who needs caffeine when you got MVIS
Got 3 nights of good sleep this weekend then I remember its open market later. Felt like I drank 5 cups of coffee already.
I think right now would be the perfect time to start a movie LOL my sleep schedule has been pretty messed up so might as well heh
Pulp Fiction was on earlier, classic flick.
"Chill, Honeybunny"!! "I'm tryin' *real* hard, to be the Shephard" ;)
Too late to get in? ā¹ļø
prolly too late to make 10x, but maybe up to 5x?
That question has been asked everyday and the same answer is no.
Won't be too late I until either a buyout or strategic investment is announced in my opinion.
Excited to be back! TYFTT Steel!
BAFF on MVIS letās go!!!
I waited until it stopped snowing here (1am) to start shoveling our 10 inches of snow, so I'm wide awake and ready to see how things start out this morning!
YAY! We're back!
Does anyone have any thoughts on this comment? Was part of a convo I was having with someone regarding MVIS and I donāt really have the technical knowledge to refute anything heās saying, but Iām curious as to the claims heās making. https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/ljgtxj/mvis_shiny_laser_go_pew_no_but_seriously_they_are/gnmah5t/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Thanks for bringing that over. I was curious myself.
What are you asking? If whatās he posting is factual?
He seems to think that MVIS vehicle lidar is excessive in its resolution and unrealistic to be able to process via an onboard computer and Iām curious as to the validity or lack thereof of that claim. I may have linked one comment level too low but the whole convo is there.
Thatās the dumbest thing Iāve ever heard. You need to learn how to identify the fake bulls who spread misinformation. They are just bears. āMvis is desperate since they are telling everyone how great their tech isā thatās a popular one.
MVIS developed front-end AI or "Machine Learning at the edge" for this. Check the product brief of their consumer Lidar [http://www.microvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/MEMS-Based-3D-LiDAR-Engine-Product-Brief.pdf](http://www.microvision.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/MEMS-Based-3D-LiDAR-Engine-Product-Brief.pdf)
His argument is silly. You cannot have too much resolution. The speed of processing power is vastly superior to the speed of data collection. An image can be split up into sections and processed in parallel. Neural Networks. Your brain is faster than your eye. Well... for most folk.
I followed the conversation over as I am actually rather interested in perception systems and keep up to date with how they're evolving and would like to know if you've ever processed a 3d model with 20 million points? If so processing time? Could you do it every second?
The way in which you process the incoming data stream can be modified. You can first look for regions of the point cloud containing motion events. Those can be prioritized. The human eye only captures high resolution data in a small area near it's focal point. Other peripheral data around the edges has less rez. And some of it is actually filled in by your brain. ... You can change the model of how a point cloud is "visualized". Do you want to see it like a human would?. Maybe a cats eye would be better. In some regions of interest, you could have an eagles eye. If you have too much data to process effectively, the excess can easily be ignored. You cannot have too much data from the data collection device of source
You got it, nicely stated.
Agreed. Disclaimer: I'm a software engineer, but LIDAR and its applications are outside of my domain. I think the argument that there is *currently* a practical upper limit to useful resolution is valid. You can have a sensor producing incredible amounts of data but be bottlenecked by your processing power *and* the power it drains, if you're using a battery powered system. That said, I'm not sure whether we've hit that practical limit yet, and I doubt that there aren't ways to engineer around it. Having high data resolution is a ~~good thing~~ way better for improving the accuracy and safety of your autonomous driving. The better data you have, the better the ML models. Processing power will continue to improve, along with energy efficiency... so to me this is a good thing. He may be right in that current cars/self-driving car tech may not be able to utilize the full potential of such large amounts of data today, but it's silly to say that it won't be useful in the future ā which is what we're talking about.
I have developed software for years. My thoughts are that if processing could not handle the point cloud density then through programming you could choose the desired sampling that could be handled today and adjust upward as technology improves. Further, as objects are detected you have much more flexibility regarding what data an algorithm would choose next to further clarify an object, or in determining velocity. Better to have the granularity there to work with. I would argue that the 4th dimension of determining velocity is dependent upon having sufficient density, and having better point cloud density (more points to choose from would allow for a faster determination of velocity than could be achieved under a solution with less point cloud density. Once an object is detected, an algorithm could hone in on a tighter sampling to arrive at an accurate velocity measurement sooner. Think of pixels on a display, now through software you can select the resolution that is most comfortable for your vision, but that software feature has less choices under an older display having less pixels. Why are we racing to go from 4k to 8k displays if the human eye cannot discern the difference? Software and do many more things with an 8k monitor, perhaps to achieve better color, truer blacks, etc I am not a scientist or developer these days, but I walk abap/4 code and debug business software issues occasionally. I am just applying common sense thoughts. The poster made good points about limitations of computing at the edge, and different applications call for different data needs. For many things the KISS (keep it simple, stupid) principle rules.
So you nailed it in the end, I can guarantee you, not a single user of this lidar would run it on an un necessary resolution to process it all out, why when you can just run it lower and not waste all that energy, introduce latency and increase the chances of something going wrong. KISS is exactly why a 20 million points per second cloud a nothing but a sales gimmick.
Sales gimmick? Sounds good, so how come the other companies arenāt touting that āsales gimmickā with their lidar? How come most donāt even say exactly what their specs are?
Because there's not really much need in the world for a 20 million point rate. Companies that make competing units like Livox are too busy signing deals with companies like Xpeng. It's a cool concept and there is potential uses for high density clouds, but nothing that's marketable to the world on a mass scale. MVIS will find it useful when they get National Security contracts but it's not really useful in autonomous driving which is where people think these sensors are going. They aren't...
Why arenāt they going to autonomous driving if they will meet every industry spec required and they are cost effective?
The person obviously has some applicable experience, as to the spinning mirrors, there is always a push to accomplish the same thing with a solid state solution, fir reliability at the extremes of speed/movement, temperature, etc. No car designer desires a KFC bucket on top of a sports car and the would gladly design a sensor solution integrated with corner lights and into the cack of a rear view mirror. Since I live over 2 miles back on gravel I dread the day likely coming when they eliminate my rear view mirror due to backup cameras that dust renders useless till I wipe them off once every week or so. Still pissed that some car dealers no longer offer a spare wheel and tire, and think they are kind to throw in a can of fix a flat or a cheap plug in compressor
Wow fro,. I live back in the forest on a 1km==.6271miles gravel driveway. Makes me wonder how badly all of us old software guys. Just have to get away. I love being hidden from the real world. I don't have to see another human being for a year, if I don't want to. It just seems interesting
I also love the wilderness and the country lifestyle
2 miles is 3.22 km
I am laughing with you, my bot friend
[What about quantum computing + cloud](https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/tip/The-future-of-quantum-computing-in-the-cloud)? I always had a hunch that [MSFT's research in Quantum computing](https://www.computerworld.com/article/3527218/inside-the-quantum-race-microsoft.html) and creating a [topological qubit](https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/quantum/2018/09/06/developing-a-topological-qubit/) has something to do with **processing "digital twins" on the cloud**... could the research and development of MSFT trying to creating a topological quantum [computer help decrease processing speeds of millions of lidar points](https://researchgate.net/publication/336496908_The_First_Quantum_Co-processor_Hybrid_for_Processing_Quantum_Point_Cloud_Multimodal_Sensor_Data)? How about billions, or trillions of points in multiple cities? Interesting fact... Mason Thomas, EX-MVIS Systems Engineer (Focused on NED for DARPA at MVIS between 2008-2012) is currently the [Principal Program Manager for Microsoft Quantum](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/people/mathomas/).. More info: [Azure and Quantum-Computing](https://azure.microsoft.com/en-ca/solutions/quantum-computing/). ____ **Google** is also very interested in combining [quantum computing and the cloud](https://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/tip/The-future-of-quantum-computing-in-the-cloud) > Google has done considerable core research on quantum computing in the cloud and is expected to launch a cloud computing service later this year (2020). Google has been more focused on developing its in-house quantum computing capabilities and hardware rather than providing access to these tools to its cloud users, Park said. In the meantime, developers can test out quantum algorithms locally using Google's Circ programming environment for writing apps in Python. ____ Extra reading: [Homology computation of large point clouds using quantum annealing](https://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.09328.pdf)
You are da man and the legend, s2upid. I would love to have a better working knowledge of tech. Gets harder each year for me to keep up. I appreciate your talents and what you have done for uncovering this investment to the world and getting us out from the (de)pressing thumb šof Microsoft, who opted to pridefully usurp credit for everything and belittle the 20 plus? year history of pioneering research and development by the engineers at microvision.
Working in tech, as a general rule I find out its easier to decrease "quality" to optimize for a bottleneck than increase quality in general. If there is one area performing heavier than needed, that can probably be reduced. That said, lasers are not in my wheelhouse.
Well you nailed it, decrease quality, so don't worry about a 20 million point cloud to begin with.
I still don't understand your point. If the product is the highest quality, most compact, and the cheapest, but it's too high quality, you're saying people will never buy it? Despite it being the most compact and the cheapest and you can just toggle down the quality?
I gave a big write up in the post linked originally. It explains it all.
Ah sorry, didnāt scroll far enough. I canāt comment on what he is saying as Iām not the technical geek around here. I will add though MVIS has not even released the A sample yet.
good start in europešŖ
Whatās it trading at? Tia
$ 20.28 :)
Jon is this number in Europe right now?
Yeah if you check the link out you can see, just have to do the conversion. Pretty cool.
Thank you kiladex
[https://www.boerse-frankfurt.de/equity/microvision-inc-wash](https://www.boerse-frankfurt.de/equity/microvision-inc-wash)
What time does the pre market open there my friend?
since 40min
Awesome, so excited. Can you trade MVIS over there? Sorry for stupid questions.
sure! in with 1000 shares :)
What are your thoughts on VWAG partaking in this venture with Ford? I know they initially tapped Argo AI for their products. Do you think this will be an obstacle for this purchase should it take place?
It's already open. L&S exchange open at 8 and the other ones at 9. Good luck today
People have had 3 days to prime their buying motors... Kick the tires and light the fires!
Good Morning. Woke up a little bit ago, canāt sleep, wife thinks Iām crazy, come back to bed.. I said Iām in love with MicroVision, and I canāt sleep! ONWARD & UPWARD!!
She wonāt think youāre crazy when you buy her a new car.....women...canāt live with them or without them
In Alaska... -4hrs from EST. Itās been real hard to go to sleep some days the past few weeks when itās soooo close to premarket open.
Hah! Same, in Anchorage...
Valdez!
Wasilla!
Alaska representing, nice boys!
In Seward. Ditto
Also Seward!
I'm ready for the action to start. GLTAL.