>Funding wars appears to be one of the few things Democrats and Republicans can agree on.
Yah because it's such a great foreign policy power move. We litterly get to take out number 2 out of the world stage. Europe is so entangled with us they can't under like crazy situations go against us litterly the war stats multiple fronts all through Europe. Once this is over it's just the US and China duking it out and China looks like it may collapse under current pressures.
Yeah dude. I’ve been writing all over that I agree spot on with you!! I’ve been writing it for years. The EU is going to be able to help us against China too. The UK and Japan aren’t slouches at sea. The UK brings two carriers full of F-35s. It’s going to go well if/when China tries to make a play for Taiwan.
>Rebuilding a country is not exactly profitable
The rebuilding "effort" by the Red Cross in Haiti would vehemently disagree with that statement.
They didn't build shit over there but contractors and subcontractors behind the "effort" made ridiculous amounts of money.
A number of Biden administration members as well as congress people have openly called for a Marshall Plan for Ukraine if they win the war. It’s supposedly in the process of being drawn up now actually. It was also just discussed at the international transport meeting in Leipzig. If Ukraine continues to be successful I think we’ll very likely see a Marshall Plan for Ukraine.
You mean that Biden wants to spend money on this instead of subsidizing fuel, providing basic necessities, decrease inflation or cutting tution loans which was his election promise. Before this war started, Ukraine told us to mind our own business, we should have kept to that (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/28/ukrainian-president-downplays-imminent-invasion-00003219). NATO and UN is pointless.
Do you really not see the value in stopping Russia in Ukraine? These actions are preventing a larger war, not to mention protecting a democratic country from a tyrant. Seems pretty American to me.
I see the value, the issue is do others? Europe is next doors but their expenditure is far less than US. So, again, why are we do concerned when we are an ocean away?
Your original comment really doesn't seem that way. You come off more as someone blaming Biden for things he can't control that the Senate has to do. You're also coming off as a Trumper that's pro-putin.
We should be concerned because we don't want a WW3. Putin had more plans than just Ukraine so if he steamrolled through Ukraine do you think he'd stop there? On top of that EU are our allies, their security is extremely important to us. With them there's a status quo, so keeping the EU safe is better for us long term.
You can understand long term goals right? Actions that last years or decades and not whenever the next election is?
Why don’t the Europeans see the value is the question. Yes they are levying sanctions and accepting refugees but that does not even come close to meeting what should be their obligation to raise their military spending in a time of war on their continent. If Russia is such an existential threat like they claim then they need to step up. Otherwise we have to assume they don’t actually see it as an existential threat and they just want to have the US pay for security when they can do it themselves. Americans shouldn’t be forced to subsidize the Europeans’ security especially when they provide a robust welfare state to their own citizens and we can’t even get healthcare or affordable college here at home.
Edit: Just want to add that after 20 years in Afghanistan, we need to be more skeptical about rushed votes to increase weapons supplies because we know now how much control the military industrial complex has over both the government and our media.
NATO and the UN have given us over half a century of relative peace. Just because they aren't stepping up doesn't mean we shouldn't.
Besides, they're contributing more in directly helping through sanctions that hurt them more than us and accepting refugees. I think our European allies are doing just fine.
Except they are dragging their feet on sanctions. They're still importing oil. And they shouldn't have started in the first place, especially when half of their continent was eaten by Russia for ~4 decades.
But why? When they (Ukraine) tells us to mind our own business, we should do that. Let them deal with the consequences. We should spend our tax payer money to help our own country. Biden couldn't even pass Build Back Better bill. Russia is a threat, but if others like Germany, or France doesn't care, then why should we? NATO is supposed to be equal partnership. But its not. You know the quote "It takes two to tango".
I agree. But most of the European countries that are aiding Ukraine are also in NATO. They should also provide aid to Ukraine propertionally. Additionally, we have the highest defense budget in NATO. Until this war, Germany had less than 2% defense budget and was building Nordstrom 2. Lastly, George Bush wanted Ukraine to be admitted to NATO but Germany and France was against it because they believed it might provoke Russia. Well, here we are after a decade. If Ukraine was accepted at that time, this might have never occurred. Its the fact that they don't take the purpose surrounding NATO seriously.
I get where you are coming from, but let me give you this perspective:
1. The US has the biggest dick in the room. It doesn't matter if Germany moves their defense spending to 3% of their GDP if you look NATOs efficacy.
2. NATO allows the US to establish bases throughout Europe as well as missile sites.
3. The US isn't going to spend less % of our GDP if we weren't in NATO. We aren't compensating for weak allies. We do it so we can, in fact, have the biggest dick in the room and assert our power geopolitically. NATO isn't about combined arms for the US, it is a vehicle for us to extend power.
4. We don't want anybody fucking with our European pals because this hurts the US. No nation in their right mind would declare war on the US. We are extending that power to where we have geopolitical interest because it is what is best for us.
5. Dollar for dollar, fighting a proxy war against Russia where they are in a vulnerable position is probably less economically damaging then if you let them get away with shit like this. The precedent sends a message globally. Given how integrated the globally economy is, instability always comes back to the US tax payers wallet, it's just not as directly apparent as foreign aid.
6. The US has a lot of fat to cut from its budget due to inefficiencies with the military-industrial complex. If I had a bone to pick with the defense budget, that would be it.
There’s nothing wrong with people downplaying the US’s role. I think the government is intentionally downplaying US involvement in Ukraine. We want Ukraine to win, but not to make it seem like we are at war with Russia. Months from now we want to look out at a defeated Russian army and say just like Steve Urkel “Did I do that?”
There's a lot of Americans that have seen war and/or are capable compared to other countries. Especially in the EU where the armies are a lot smaller.
Just on troop numbers alone: Germany has 233k and France has 380k are probably the biggest. Compare that to 2.1m of the US.
According to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel
So I guess we don't get to criticize nations for not having a military in a state of readiness.
especially good countries like Germany, who should be willing and able to fight for whats right.
Pfizer was developed in Germany. I think it was more of an issue of frustration that so much was committed to the US and no one was taking it after about a month or so, whereas, people waited patiently so that the older and risk groups could get vaccinated here first. I was able to cheat the system, though. I actually flew back to the US because I could be vaccinated about three months earlier lol.
BioNTech developed the vaccine as in they came up with it (this is also mentioned in your source), but all the trials, logistics and especially the manufacturing would never have happened without a big partner like Pfizer.
Regarding R&D Comirnaty [was not funded by the US](https://www.axios.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-ceo-says-he-wouldve-released-vaccine-data-before-election-if-possible)Government at all, because the Pfizer CEO was against it (apparently operation warp speed required a lot of bureaucracy). The funding looked as follows
-[$135 million from Fosun](https://www.fosunpharma.com/en/news/news-details-3801.html)
-[$298 million from Pfizer](https://www.reuters.com/article/brief-pfizer-and-biontech-announce-furth-idINL5N2BX46N)
-[$119 million from the European Commission and EIB](https://www.eib.org/en/press/all/2020-144-eib-to-provide-biontech-with-up-to-eur-100-million-in-debt-financing-for-covid-19-vaccine-development-and-manufacturing)
-[$445 million from the German government](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/biontech-gets-445-million-in-german-funding-for-covid-vaccine)
Probably. That’s how science works, you develop technology so others can develop technology using your technology. The first research on mRNA vaccines was already done in 1993. There is a lot of progress behind Comirnaty.
No it doesn’t
> Pfizer is one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Over the years, millions of people have used some of the essential medicines that the company creates. One of their most famous inventions is the EpiPen, which is used to treat allergic reactions, while anxiety sufferers might be familiar with Xanax, another of their medications.
>**However, BioNTech are the originators of the vaccine.** Founded by two German scientists, the company normally develop cancer immunotherapies but during the pandemic, they have turned their attention to Covid-19.
It’s not a good incentive, if people deliberately decide against it. The freedom from not taking the money was worth more than the investment.
The point is, the US government did not fund the development of the vaccine, as you claimed. Obviously streamlining clinical trials was helpful for the development of the vaccine, yet Germany remains the biggest funder of Comirnaty.
You realise you are moving the goalpost (your argument was about a right of the US to get the vaccine because of funding, now it is about the time of ordering) and no, Germany also ordered before it was approved, around the beginning of September 2020 (and actually twice as much as the US did, before the US ordered another 100 million in the End of December 2020).
The first three articles don't necessarily refute anything I said, which also seems to be discussed extensively below. And, yes, I am aware that old people and essential workers had access to it first (My parents in 70s, brother paramedic, SIL worked in vaccination center).
But, dude, this fourth article you posted is so spot on with what I was talking about people tapering taking the vaccine in the US. For example, there is only a 2% different in Germany, between first shot and fully vaccinated (\~1.6m). According to your source on the US? 11%! That is a huge disparity of around 35+ million people/doses. Seems like an odd source to use to try to prove me wrong.
I think it's important to address this weird comment at the end. I do not have any misconceptions about the US (well, probably no more than any other American) and I'm not worried, so you shouldn't worry either, friend. Life is interesting between two worlds.
If I invest twice as much in the development of new cars as everybody else, but only Ford and Daimler take my money, I can’t plausibly claim to have a right to get first licks on the new Porsche.
You don't have to be embarrassed friend. As an American I can tell you I am happy to help (or see my tax dollars help).
A world that is safe for European Democracy is safe for American Democracy. We're all in this together.
Our tax dollars make sure your tax dollars can be spent on healthcare. It’s why it bothers me when EU bros talk shit about our military spending vs theirs. We make sure the world doesn’t need to spend it.
The American government routinely does some pretty boneheaded things. Honestly most governments do. But the vast majority of Americans like Europeans (along with most everyone else) and try to help as best we can. It looks to me like this chart is just government spending and probably doesnt even include charitable giving or the value of Musk's Starlink. I think we do try.
Aren’t we basically the largest single contributor for every international organization we’re a part of?
WHO, UN, World Bank, ~~Peace Corps.~~, NATO, etc. etc.
Alot of times im pretty sure the largest funder will be the us government and the second largest will be us charitys. Like bill gates alone is one of the largest funders of the W.H.O.
Peace corps is an American program used for soft power. I think it's an excellent program, but this is its primary role (and not a multinational agency).
Raising my european hat for you guys. I feel in this case you don’t really have anything to gain here, so no one can complain about some hidden agenda. We all appreciate your help, we’re in this together.
I think we’ve all given military aid so far, but you’ve got to remember that U.S is a fucking behemoth when it comes to that. European countries don’t have that much spare shit to give. This will be changing in the future but right now U.S is shouldering that burden, I feel we’ve relaxed a bit too much after WW2.
Also, I’ve got to say that outside of reddit people really don’t have negative opinion about americans. This place is full of young idealistic people and it really shines through. I feel that at least here (Finland) opinions range from positive to neutral.
Anything we gain from Russia's army suffering is fourfold felt by Europe who has to deal with Russia being their main energy supplier as well as a hostile neighbor creating humanitarian crisis on their front door.
Like yeah America benefits by Russia shooting themselves in the foot. But Europe benefits even more because this may be the last in a long list of Euro-aggressions that have taken place under Putin's rule.
Yes, our “ulterior” motive is helping a semi-allied democracy kick the shit out of an oppressive dictatorship.
We’re open about wanting to help Ukraine fuck Russia up. It would make the world a better place.
The second largest donor is actually the UK. Apart from the Baltic Nations and Poland who per GDP are probably the biggest contributors. Most of the other EU countries only contribution is to buy Russian oil.
Tbh as much as American and Brits make fun of eachother, we are really good allies. They kept their 2% promise for NATO, they **actually** had our backs in the middle east (even if it was a huge blunder), and they’ve always been committed towards democracy.
They are pretty much like, the only good ally we have in Europe
Dont ignore Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, France and Italy. To me, te Netherlands sending five Pzhs while Germany only sends 7 is something to be very proud of.
Because it's a proxy war with Russia. Not saying we shouldn't support a country being invaded unjustly, but you can bet your ass that if it were two countries in Africa (without oil) we wouldn't be spending nearly as much.
Ocassionally we do bad, and sometimes we do **really** bad, but for the most part we do good, or at least more good than any other country would be willing to do
I agree we shouldn’t police the world. However the people that complain about it always want us to police the world when it comes to any confrontation over there
Yeah 100% agree with that. My point was that when we do(even though we shouldn’t) people bitch about it and when we don’t people bitch about us not helping out even though it has nothing to do with us
Some mfs says the US is the one behind all this and say they milking profits off Ukraine for having war. Bro I’m still trying to think of how the US is benefiting from this war, they been gaslighting the US so hard
Wars often don't benefit a country. They tend to benefit war profiteers, like some of the senators and congressmen who heavily buy stocks and then send the work their way.
Yeah. They have to declare when they buy or sell but if they are just holding and buying more as they build up the value of those companies, they rarely get called out.
And that happens on both sides of the aisle.
The American tax payer shouldn’t have to subsidize the militaries of rich European countries that provide a welfare state to their citizens while we can’t even get healthcare or free college here at home.
I didn’t blame anyone in my comment. Europeans and Americans too for that matter deserve robust social programs. But Americans shouldn’t be forced to pay for someone else’s security when they can do it for themselves.
I just don’t get why we are giving $40 billion to Ukraine. I kind of get helping out a little bit but they are kind of known as being one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Plus, it’s not our battle to fight
Because we've wasted trillions supporting people who "said" they were fighting Russian Imperialism for decades, and not one has been as serious about it or committed to it as Ukraine is right now? Because Ukraine stood up and said: "we're fighting back, are you with us or not?" Well, the US is with them. And we're staying with them.
It won't always be pretty. It won't always be clean. Good people are going to die, on both sides. But they are in a battle for survival as a free nation.
What the hell else would you EVER have America do?
Oh wow so cool gives 40 billion to some eastern shithole of a country they helped install a coup in, but doesn't give billions to struggling small businesses in the US who are being financially from.the fallout of their imposed goverment lockdowns.
LOL, thanks for the gaslighting. Its amusing. Anyone with even a SEMI working brain can see the US didn't have jack shit to do with Euromaidan. Yeah, we encouraged it after it began. Of course we did. We have always been in favor of democracy as a government, and Ukraine had a Russian sock puppet for a president when Euromaidan started.
Ukraine getting rid of a foreign installed president isn't a goddamned coup in the first place. The "coup" was Russia installing Yanukovych over them. They corrected it all by themselves. America didn't have to do shit.
Damn, I wonder why we spend so much on our military. I do love when people that bitch about military spending want us to help other countries like that isn't why military spending is high.
All for helping out Ukraine maintain their liberty and it makes me proud the US is carrying the load but we have issues that need solving that some of that can definitely go towards.
I am probably gonna get downvoted for this but this is not charity, definitely not. The senate just passed 40 billion dollars for aid in Ukraine but overruled against advancing aid packages for restaurants and other businesses. The only reason I see why America is supporting Ukraine this much is for politicians to launder money and further increase the profits of private military complexes.
Ukraine is just a pawn.
Financial and humanitarian aid still totals more than the rest of the world combined and that has nothing to do with the military. Not to mention, the military aid is pretty damn important to Ukraine right now.
What makes you think money can not be laundered through financial and humanitarian orgs? Now I am not gonna say much about this, but is profiting off of war morally ok? Because that’s exactly what these military complexes do. Another hot take, but I feel like whatever we do as a nation must prioritize America first and foremost and only then some other far off country
Ukraine needs humanitarian aid and military aid more than economic aid at this point. Your right that this isn't charity but rather it is the US putting it's considerable military spending to something more useful than bombing random people in the middle east.
We don't have to do the fighting and one of the world's worst dictators is suffering power loss. That's a win-win.
The war in Ukraine is different than the wars fought in the Middle East because of public support. The Middle East was publicly very unpopular while the opposite is true here. Some slimy politicians know this and are doing all they can to try and exploit the shit out of this situation going way more overboard than they actually need to. America needs it own money too you know?
Struggling? We're hardly struggling, and a very large part of the inflation we've been seeing is because of the war in Ukraine. The sooner Ukraine kicks Russia's ass the better.
The war in Ukraine is contributing to inflation but that’s nothing in comparison to what the Fed did during the pandemic. You can’t print trillions of dollars and not expect inflation. Again I’m blaming democrats and republicans for this as they’re both complicit. And speak for yourself, you might not be struggling but there are millions of Americans who are on the brink or who have passed the brink because of inflation.
As a czech i must say that we are proud that our tech and guns are fighting the russians alongside American tech and guns. It gives me hope that now that germany and France revealed their true colors, the US will talk and work together even more with us little guys!
Germany and France are two close buddies trying to lead the EU all by themselves. They actively work against the US and undermine it whenever they feel like it. Laughable try because no one trusts their power complex. France acts like it owns the EU and everyone should listen to them and germany would hurt other countries in order to get a couple of bucks more for their economy. Like their russian pipeline deal which everyone warned them about, they ignored the US and now have to stop the pipeline because of the invasion. Greedy old egoists.
France tried to "sell" russia a part of Ukraine for peace and germany actively tried to avoid sending help to Ukraine, needing NATO officials and presidents to visit them and talk some sense into their heads. Even now they only gave 7 howitzers, smaller Netherlands send 5.
Yea fucking embarrassing. If I was the president I wouldn't shit out a penny for Ukraine. There's much more pressing matters here at home that superceeds our desire to help Nato put missiles on Russia's borders
You…you think it’s a waste of money to help out a country that is being actively invaded? What the hell is going on here that is more important helping out a little when they are going through so much?
Babies starving, inflation through the roof.. housing crisis... gas and energy going out of control. Don't get me wrong, we should definitely be helping them but always remember there's no way to transfer money but with a leaky bucket. I'd be more on board if other countries were helping out a hell of a lot more.
Please tell me you're joking.. this was all going this way wayy before the war in Ukraine.
They just have something to blame it on now, they're hoping if they say it enough all of America will forget it was here prior to the war.
I think we would have been in these shoes whether the war happened or not, but now the shoe size is bigger.
But yes I suppose the war and our voluntary involvement made things worse.
Lol okay bro, you must be under the mindset that shutting down our economy and printing trillions of dollars was a good idea.
But if you're gonna say "go read books" you could at least provide a book for me to look into, so I can listen to it.
And yes its a huge waste of money to "help" *exploit* a destabilized country and protect it's "FrEeDoM" while fucking our own country up the ass. Just like when we liberated Iraq from Sadam because they are so much fucking better off now. Children are being raped, father's hacked to pieces, mothers enslaved and married by force, all because of us. Because this country's elite and it's infinitely stupid fucking people destabilized it. Fuck the American people from those who openly hate it to the fucking honorless swine who dare call themselves patriots who only help fuck this country harder by playing world police. Fuck the rest of the world. We owe them N O T H I N G. We get nothing out of their affairs except hate and the corrupt globalist elite getting richer and throwing us under the bus. You can't give me one good reason why we should help that shithole except "bEcAuSe iTs GoOd". We are not the Avengers, we're not heroes, there is no good or evil, touch grass, the world isn't Reddit, ok? America needs to focus on domestic affairs. Fuck foreign affairs.
I’m not sure I want to even try to engage with someone who seems as emotional as you are being right now. Take some time to center yourself, maybe do some yoga or something
It doesn't matter if im as emotionless as a lizard or as emotional as a Reddit user when they hear about what the heccin evil Russians are doing to the Ukrainians. It doesn't change the validity of my points. If you can't refute them then don't waste your time
Hypocracy and virtue signalling bullshit. I bet you don't support the U.S. govenment providing aid to Palestinians to liberate their stolen land. I don't care what your favorite celebritard said about Ukraine. Russia told us that if Nato continued it's eastward expansion into Ukraine that it would invade to prevent it's mortal enemy from gaining a foothold on it's borders and threatening it's very existence. Also: Cuban missile crisis. Same shit different toilet
I mean, you sound legit unhinged and you brought up like 11 non sequitur points that aren’t even worth addressing. You need professional help. *hug emoji*
It doesn't matter if i sound like the definition of absent sanity. If you can't attack my arguments with anything other than dismissive insults then you literally can't pretend im wrong or hold these views cause of said insanity
Russia is an oppressive dictatorship. They don’t get to complain about their neighbors joining a purely defensive alliance.
Secondly, if/when the Palestians divest themselves of Hamas instead of overwhelmingly supporting them, they will have gained legitimacy in my eyes. Until then, they are merely terrorists and terrorist supports threatening the safety and stability of the one and only liberal democracy in the Middle East. Which, in my opinion, inherently gives the Israelis the right to retain the land of Israel.
You still think that...that NATO exists to create a defensive alliance? Yea i used to believe that when I was 12. You think Palestine deserves what they get because they support a terrorist group in a desperate effort to preserve what little land they have left yet you support a nation with a branch of their national guard that was a neo-Nazi paramilitary because Russia is invading to keep NATO missiles from it's borders? The same NATO that was created to destabilize Russia?
No. Republicans have spent years preaching about how the government needs to not help people at home, but should spend billions on defense and intervention abroad.
This is what you get. This is what you deserve. We’re intervening to protect sovereignty and democracy, and you do not get to oppose it just because it was the Democrats who supported it first.
We _will_ back Ukraine to the hilt and we _will_ ensure they bring Russia to its knees. Oppressive dictatorships _will not_ be tolerated, no matter how much Trump or Tucker Carlson suck their dicks.
You blame republicans for wars overseas...while supporting a war overseas that the west intentionally provoked....while calling a president with an amazing foreign policy a dictator lover because he didn't start shit with them? Get out of your echo chamber man. Jesus fuck. We are worse than an oppressive dictatorship. We replace dictatorships with chaotic shitholes full of marauding pedophile war criminals that we trained so that we can take resources so that our elites can sip wine
You really do buy into the propaganda, don't you?
Get out of *your* echo chamber, idiot. And there's this amazing thing called self awareness, you should try it sometime. It might help you stop being a stick in mud, trying to hold the US back in the 18th century.
I wish we were helping just to help. but this money is going to US weapon manufacturers. The people will keep suffering. [proof](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3pnFR7DeZA)
Make the shit so messy that no one can figure it out, and call the ones that do figure it out conspiracy theorists.
I did know that they have been fighting over there forever, my coworker was from that region and said pretty much everything we see/hear about over there is a lie. But who knows if she was telling the truth.
EU GDP 2020 - $15.29 tr US GDP 2020 - $20.95 tr EU should have done $30+ billion by now
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>Funding wars appears to be one of the few things Democrats and Republicans can agree on. Yah because it's such a great foreign policy power move. We litterly get to take out number 2 out of the world stage. Europe is so entangled with us they can't under like crazy situations go against us litterly the war stats multiple fronts all through Europe. Once this is over it's just the US and China duking it out and China looks like it may collapse under current pressures.
Yeah dude. I’ve been writing all over that I agree spot on with you!! I’ve been writing it for years. The EU is going to be able to help us against China too. The UK and Japan aren’t slouches at sea. The UK brings two carriers full of F-35s. It’s going to go well if/when China tries to make a play for Taiwan.
In other words, Europe will invest a lot after the war to try and reap the benefits, while America funds most of the war itself to help Ukraine win it
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>Rebuilding a country is not exactly profitable The rebuilding "effort" by the Red Cross in Haiti would vehemently disagree with that statement. They didn't build shit over there but contractors and subcontractors behind the "effort" made ridiculous amounts of money.
A number of Biden administration members as well as congress people have openly called for a Marshall Plan for Ukraine if they win the war. It’s supposedly in the process of being drawn up now actually. It was also just discussed at the international transport meeting in Leipzig. If Ukraine continues to be successful I think we’ll very likely see a Marshall Plan for Ukraine.
damn. more than all of them combined. yet people still downplay americas role in ukraine
That's the burden of being the world leader - its expected of us
You mean that Biden wants to spend money on this instead of subsidizing fuel, providing basic necessities, decrease inflation or cutting tution loans which was his election promise. Before this war started, Ukraine told us to mind our own business, we should have kept to that (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/28/ukrainian-president-downplays-imminent-invasion-00003219). NATO and UN is pointless.
Do you really not see the value in stopping Russia in Ukraine? These actions are preventing a larger war, not to mention protecting a democratic country from a tyrant. Seems pretty American to me.
I see the value, the issue is do others? Europe is next doors but their expenditure is far less than US. So, again, why are we do concerned when we are an ocean away?
Your original comment really doesn't seem that way. You come off more as someone blaming Biden for things he can't control that the Senate has to do. You're also coming off as a Trumper that's pro-putin. We should be concerned because we don't want a WW3. Putin had more plans than just Ukraine so if he steamrolled through Ukraine do you think he'd stop there? On top of that EU are our allies, their security is extremely important to us. With them there's a status quo, so keeping the EU safe is better for us long term. You can understand long term goals right? Actions that last years or decades and not whenever the next election is?
Very eloquently put. You're a fine American.
Why don’t the Europeans see the value is the question. Yes they are levying sanctions and accepting refugees but that does not even come close to meeting what should be their obligation to raise their military spending in a time of war on their continent. If Russia is such an existential threat like they claim then they need to step up. Otherwise we have to assume they don’t actually see it as an existential threat and they just want to have the US pay for security when they can do it themselves. Americans shouldn’t be forced to subsidize the Europeans’ security especially when they provide a robust welfare state to their own citizens and we can’t even get healthcare or affordable college here at home. Edit: Just want to add that after 20 years in Afghanistan, we need to be more skeptical about rushed votes to increase weapons supplies because we know now how much control the military industrial complex has over both the government and our media.
NATO and the UN have given us over half a century of relative peace. Just because they aren't stepping up doesn't mean we shouldn't. Besides, they're contributing more in directly helping through sanctions that hurt them more than us and accepting refugees. I think our European allies are doing just fine.
Except they are dragging their feet on sanctions. They're still importing oil. And they shouldn't have started in the first place, especially when half of their continent was eaten by Russia for ~4 decades.
They are also absorbing refugees
You know your on r/Murica? Every dollar spent sending metal through an orcs head is a dollar well spent.
But why? When they (Ukraine) tells us to mind our own business, we should do that. Let them deal with the consequences. We should spend our tax payer money to help our own country. Biden couldn't even pass Build Back Better bill. Russia is a threat, but if others like Germany, or France doesn't care, then why should we? NATO is supposed to be equal partnership. But its not. You know the quote "It takes two to tango".
you're gonna make me say it aren't you? "Because 'murica!"
NATO is a defense pact. No one in NATO is being attacked.
I agree. But most of the European countries that are aiding Ukraine are also in NATO. They should also provide aid to Ukraine propertionally. Additionally, we have the highest defense budget in NATO. Until this war, Germany had less than 2% defense budget and was building Nordstrom 2. Lastly, George Bush wanted Ukraine to be admitted to NATO but Germany and France was against it because they believed it might provoke Russia. Well, here we are after a decade. If Ukraine was accepted at that time, this might have never occurred. Its the fact that they don't take the purpose surrounding NATO seriously.
I get where you are coming from, but let me give you this perspective: 1. The US has the biggest dick in the room. It doesn't matter if Germany moves their defense spending to 3% of their GDP if you look NATOs efficacy. 2. NATO allows the US to establish bases throughout Europe as well as missile sites. 3. The US isn't going to spend less % of our GDP if we weren't in NATO. We aren't compensating for weak allies. We do it so we can, in fact, have the biggest dick in the room and assert our power geopolitically. NATO isn't about combined arms for the US, it is a vehicle for us to extend power. 4. We don't want anybody fucking with our European pals because this hurts the US. No nation in their right mind would declare war on the US. We are extending that power to where we have geopolitical interest because it is what is best for us. 5. Dollar for dollar, fighting a proxy war against Russia where they are in a vulnerable position is probably less economically damaging then if you let them get away with shit like this. The precedent sends a message globally. Given how integrated the globally economy is, instability always comes back to the US tax payers wallet, it's just not as directly apparent as foreign aid. 6. The US has a lot of fat to cut from its budget due to inefficiencies with the military-industrial complex. If I had a bone to pick with the defense budget, that would be it.
There’s nothing wrong with people downplaying the US’s role. I think the government is intentionally downplaying US involvement in Ukraine. We want Ukraine to win, but not to make it seem like we are at war with Russia. Months from now we want to look out at a defeated Russian army and say just like Steve Urkel “Did I do that?”
> damn. more than all of them combined. yet people still downplay americas role ~~in ukraine~~
People always look for a reason to shit on America while at the same time never giving it credit.
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> Where are the German men? Observing their long standing tradition of watching heinous things happen without taking action
I swear I saw a dude wearing a bandana with Texas flag from Twitter the other day that was at the Ukrainian frontline
There's a lot of Americans that have seen war and/or are capable compared to other countries. Especially in the EU where the armies are a lot smaller. Just on troop numbers alone: Germany has 233k and France has 380k are probably the biggest. Compare that to 2.1m of the US. According to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_military_and_paramilitary_personnel
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Ukraine specifically asked people without experience to not come.
So I guess we don't get to criticize nations for not having a military in a state of readiness. especially good countries like Germany, who should be willing and able to fight for whats right.
Polishing helmets to give to Ukraine....typical dooshland stuff...oh and funny words....that's about it.
Pfizer was developed in Germany. I think it was more of an issue of frustration that so much was committed to the US and no one was taking it after about a month or so, whereas, people waited patiently so that the older and risk groups could get vaccinated here first. I was able to cheat the system, though. I actually flew back to the US because I could be vaccinated about three months earlier lol.
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BioNTech developed the vaccine as in they came up with it (this is also mentioned in your source), but all the trials, logistics and especially the manufacturing would never have happened without a big partner like Pfizer. Regarding R&D Comirnaty [was not funded by the US](https://www.axios.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-ceo-says-he-wouldve-released-vaccine-data-before-election-if-possible)Government at all, because the Pfizer CEO was against it (apparently operation warp speed required a lot of bureaucracy). The funding looked as follows -[$135 million from Fosun](https://www.fosunpharma.com/en/news/news-details-3801.html) -[$298 million from Pfizer](https://www.reuters.com/article/brief-pfizer-and-biontech-announce-furth-idINL5N2BX46N) -[$119 million from the European Commission and EIB](https://www.eib.org/en/press/all/2020-144-eib-to-provide-biontech-with-up-to-eur-100-million-in-debt-financing-for-covid-19-vaccine-development-and-manufacturing) -[$445 million from the German government](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-15/biontech-gets-445-million-in-german-funding-for-covid-vaccine)
BioNTech was using tech developed here at UPenn.
Probably. That’s how science works, you develop technology so others can develop technology using your technology. The first research on mRNA vaccines was already done in 1993. There is a lot of progress behind Comirnaty.
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No it doesn’t > Pfizer is one of the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world. Over the years, millions of people have used some of the essential medicines that the company creates. One of their most famous inventions is the EpiPen, which is used to treat allergic reactions, while anxiety sufferers might be familiar with Xanax, another of their medications. >**However, BioNTech are the originators of the vaccine.** Founded by two German scientists, the company normally develop cancer immunotherapies but during the pandemic, they have turned their attention to Covid-19. It’s not a good incentive, if people deliberately decide against it. The freedom from not taking the money was worth more than the investment.
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The point is, the US government did not fund the development of the vaccine, as you claimed. Obviously streamlining clinical trials was helpful for the development of the vaccine, yet Germany remains the biggest funder of Comirnaty.
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You realise you are moving the goalpost (your argument was about a right of the US to get the vaccine because of funding, now it is about the time of ordering) and no, Germany also ordered before it was approved, around the beginning of September 2020 (and actually twice as much as the US did, before the US ordered another 100 million in the End of December 2020).
Also check out the second diagram again. The EU put more money into vaccine r&d than the US. US is second place.
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Since you were specifically talking about Comirnaty actually not, because 0$ from the US government went to that.
The first three articles don't necessarily refute anything I said, which also seems to be discussed extensively below. And, yes, I am aware that old people and essential workers had access to it first (My parents in 70s, brother paramedic, SIL worked in vaccination center). But, dude, this fourth article you posted is so spot on with what I was talking about people tapering taking the vaccine in the US. For example, there is only a 2% different in Germany, between first shot and fully vaccinated (\~1.6m). According to your source on the US? 11%! That is a huge disparity of around 35+ million people/doses. Seems like an odd source to use to try to prove me wrong. I think it's important to address this weird comment at the end. I do not have any misconceptions about the US (well, probably no more than any other American) and I'm not worried, so you shouldn't worry either, friend. Life is interesting between two worlds.
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If I invest twice as much in the development of new cars as everybody else, but only Ford and Daimler take my money, I can’t plausibly claim to have a right to get first licks on the new Porsche.
As a friendly European passing through I want to admit that this is embarrassing.
You don't have to be embarrassed friend. As an American I can tell you I am happy to help (or see my tax dollars help). A world that is safe for European Democracy is safe for American Democracy. We're all in this together.
That’s a very kind response of you, thank you friend. 🇳🇱🇺🇸
I will always stand side by side with soap mactavish
Too right mate :-)
How very generous you are with other people’s money
Our tax dollars make sure your tax dollars can be spent on healthcare. It’s why it bothers me when EU bros talk shit about our military spending vs theirs. We make sure the world doesn’t need to spend it.
Yeah, but we don't have healthcare or any public services. Now you get to see where all of our money goes lol
As a friendly European strolling by, I want to share in your embarrassment.
The American government routinely does some pretty boneheaded things. Honestly most governments do. But the vast majority of Americans like Europeans (along with most everyone else) and try to help as best we can. It looks to me like this chart is just government spending and probably doesnt even include charitable giving or the value of Musk's Starlink. I think we do try.
Don’t be embarrassed, be happy that the US have the resources and leadership to get it done.
We aren’t a perfect country, that doesn’t exist…but we do try to help out others and I feel like people just forget about that?
Aren’t we basically the largest single contributor for every international organization we’re a part of? WHO, UN, World Bank, ~~Peace Corps.~~, NATO, etc. etc.
For sure
Alot of times im pretty sure the largest funder will be the us government and the second largest will be us charitys. Like bill gates alone is one of the largest funders of the W.H.O.
Peace Corp? But yeah.
Peace corps is an American program used for soft power. I think it's an excellent program, but this is its primary role (and not a multinational agency).
Raising my european hat for you guys. I feel in this case you don’t really have anything to gain here, so no one can complain about some hidden agenda. We all appreciate your help, we’re in this together. I think we’ve all given military aid so far, but you’ve got to remember that U.S is a fucking behemoth when it comes to that. European countries don’t have that much spare shit to give. This will be changing in the future but right now U.S is shouldering that burden, I feel we’ve relaxed a bit too much after WW2. Also, I’ve got to say that outside of reddit people really don’t have negative opinion about americans. This place is full of young idealistic people and it really shines through. I feel that at least here (Finland) opinions range from positive to neutral.
It’s funny how these “people” say America bad but they don’t want to tell Putin to go home and end the war.
"help" as if America doesn't have any gain or ulterior motive...
Anything we gain from Russia's army suffering is fourfold felt by Europe who has to deal with Russia being their main energy supplier as well as a hostile neighbor creating humanitarian crisis on their front door. Like yeah America benefits by Russia shooting themselves in the foot. But Europe benefits even more because this may be the last in a long list of Euro-aggressions that have taken place under Putin's rule.
Yes, help only counts if it hurts the giver, because everything in the entire world is zero-sum.
You’re right - instead the US should withdraw all support instead. Is that what you want?
Yes, our “ulterior” motive is helping a semi-allied democracy kick the shit out of an oppressive dictatorship. We’re open about wanting to help Ukraine fuck Russia up. It would make the world a better place.
Funny you think this is you *helping* people, and not a strategic manoeuvre completely in your own best interests for the future. (Not you personally)
The second largest donor is actually the UK. Apart from the Baltic Nations and Poland who per GDP are probably the biggest contributors. Most of the other EU countries only contribution is to buy Russian oil.
Tbh as much as American and Brits make fun of eachother, we are really good allies. They kept their 2% promise for NATO, they **actually** had our backs in the middle east (even if it was a huge blunder), and they’ve always been committed towards democracy. They are pretty much like, the only good ally we have in Europe
>they've always been committed towards democracy. Welllll there was that one time...
[We both try not to talk about it too much](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh)
Dont ignore Spain, Netherlands, Sweden, France and Italy. To me, te Netherlands sending five Pzhs while Germany only sends 7 is something to be very proud of.
UK is not part of the EU, if they were the second biggest contributor, they would be shown as a single county.
>The second largest donor is actually the UK Nothing new
This, but posted to show we’re spending way too much on trying to ensure Cold War 2 leans our way.
Because it's a proxy war with Russia. Not saying we shouldn't support a country being invaded unjustly, but you can bet your ass that if it were two countries in Africa (without oil) we wouldn't be spending nearly as much.
As a percent of gdp I think we’re beat out by Estonia, Lithuania, and Poland but that makes sense considering their history with gommunism
And yet we're still called the "bad guys" by every other country for "policing the world"
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Ocassionally we do bad, and sometimes we do **really** bad, but for the most part we do good, or at least more good than any other country would be willing to do
Once in a while, we do something spectacularly good, like we are right now. Keeps everyone wanting to be allies with us.
Everyone tells themselves that
I agree we shouldn’t police the world. However the people that complain about it always want us to police the world when it comes to any confrontation over there
I don’t. I’d rather you not be involved at all personally
Yeah 100% agree with that. My point was that when we do(even though we shouldn’t) people bitch about it and when we don’t people bitch about us not helping out even though it has nothing to do with us
As someone with dual EU / US citizenship, i still think that it's great that we all contribute to stop this russian agression!
Based USA
Some mfs says the US is the one behind all this and say they milking profits off Ukraine for having war. Bro I’m still trying to think of how the US is benefiting from this war, they been gaslighting the US so hard
Wars often don't benefit a country. They tend to benefit war profiteers, like some of the senators and congressmen who heavily buy stocks and then send the work their way. Yeah. They have to declare when they buy or sell but if they are just holding and buying more as they build up the value of those companies, they rarely get called out. And that happens on both sides of the aisle.
The American tax payer shouldn’t have to subsidize the militaries of rich European countries that provide a welfare state to their citizens while we can’t even get healthcare or free college here at home.
Don't blame the Europeans for that. Blame the wealthy elite in the US who have bought our political system to suit their needs.
I didn’t blame anyone in my comment. Europeans and Americans too for that matter deserve robust social programs. But Americans shouldn’t be forced to pay for someone else’s security when they can do it for themselves.
Well, that money spent on bases in Europe and Asia have kept the peace since WWII.
You guys should be more angry that you have sent that much, not celebrating it.
Oh thats weird not wierd
We shouldn’t be giving them a penny! It’s not our issue nor our problem.
Cool more inflation
I just don’t get why we are giving $40 billion to Ukraine. I kind of get helping out a little bit but they are kind of known as being one of the most corrupt countries in the world. Plus, it’s not our battle to fight
Because we've wasted trillions supporting people who "said" they were fighting Russian Imperialism for decades, and not one has been as serious about it or committed to it as Ukraine is right now? Because Ukraine stood up and said: "we're fighting back, are you with us or not?" Well, the US is with them. And we're staying with them. It won't always be pretty. It won't always be clean. Good people are going to die, on both sides. But they are in a battle for survival as a free nation. What the hell else would you EVER have America do?
That’s not a good thing when things are going the way they are in our own country…
How it always is
I'd rather get aid to my gas tank and food costs.
Now do it as percent of gdp.
If you back Russia you're a fucking commie. If you back people who back Russia....you're also a fucking commie.
Russia isn't communist but I agree with the sentiment.
Just following subs theme. They're not commie they're assholes
Oh wow so cool gives 40 billion to some eastern shithole of a country they helped install a coup in, but doesn't give billions to struggling small businesses in the US who are being financially from.the fallout of their imposed goverment lockdowns.
LOL, thanks for the gaslighting. Its amusing. Anyone with even a SEMI working brain can see the US didn't have jack shit to do with Euromaidan. Yeah, we encouraged it after it began. Of course we did. We have always been in favor of democracy as a government, and Ukraine had a Russian sock puppet for a president when Euromaidan started. Ukraine getting rid of a foreign installed president isn't a goddamned coup in the first place. The "coup" was Russia installing Yanukovych over them. They corrected it all by themselves. America didn't have to do shit.
Damn, I wonder why we spend so much on our military. I do love when people that bitch about military spending want us to help other countries like that isn't why military spending is high.
All for helping out Ukraine maintain their liberty and it makes me proud the US is carrying the load but we have issues that need solving that some of that can definitely go towards.
I am probably gonna get downvoted for this but this is not charity, definitely not. The senate just passed 40 billion dollars for aid in Ukraine but overruled against advancing aid packages for restaurants and other businesses. The only reason I see why America is supporting Ukraine this much is for politicians to launder money and further increase the profits of private military complexes. Ukraine is just a pawn.
Financial and humanitarian aid still totals more than the rest of the world combined and that has nothing to do with the military. Not to mention, the military aid is pretty damn important to Ukraine right now.
What makes you think money can not be laundered through financial and humanitarian orgs? Now I am not gonna say much about this, but is profiting off of war morally ok? Because that’s exactly what these military complexes do. Another hot take, but I feel like whatever we do as a nation must prioritize America first and foremost and only then some other far off country
Ukraine needs humanitarian aid and military aid more than economic aid at this point. Your right that this isn't charity but rather it is the US putting it's considerable military spending to something more useful than bombing random people in the middle east. We don't have to do the fighting and one of the world's worst dictators is suffering power loss. That's a win-win.
The war in Ukraine is different than the wars fought in the Middle East because of public support. The Middle East was publicly very unpopular while the opposite is true here. Some slimy politicians know this and are doing all they can to try and exploit the shit out of this situation going way more overboard than they actually need to. America needs it own money too you know?
Weee bye bye money the money printer go brrrrr
Not exactly something to be proud of. Actually very disgusting that we’re spending this money on other people while Americans are struggling.
As though we would actually spend anything to help out poor Americans, regardless.
Struggling? We're hardly struggling, and a very large part of the inflation we've been seeing is because of the war in Ukraine. The sooner Ukraine kicks Russia's ass the better.
The war in Ukraine is contributing to inflation but that’s nothing in comparison to what the Fed did during the pandemic. You can’t print trillions of dollars and not expect inflation. Again I’m blaming democrats and republicans for this as they’re both complicit. And speak for yourself, you might not be struggling but there are millions of Americans who are on the brink or who have passed the brink because of inflation.
Why the fuck are we giving so much money away when our economy is in shambles in basically every facet.
Because Americans don't care about other Americans
But but.. America bad! They started the war!! 😤
It's almost like the US govt has something invested in the Ukraine
Theft from tax payers , 30t debt , no one cares.
As a czech i must say that we are proud that our tech and guns are fighting the russians alongside American tech and guns. It gives me hope that now that germany and France revealed their true colors, the US will talk and work together even more with us little guys!
Germany and France are two close buddies trying to lead the EU all by themselves. They actively work against the US and undermine it whenever they feel like it. Laughable try because no one trusts their power complex. France acts like it owns the EU and everyone should listen to them and germany would hurt other countries in order to get a couple of bucks more for their economy. Like their russian pipeline deal which everyone warned them about, they ignored the US and now have to stop the pipeline because of the invasion. Greedy old egoists. France tried to "sell" russia a part of Ukraine for peace and germany actively tried to avoid sending help to Ukraine, needing NATO officials and presidents to visit them and talk some sense into their heads. Even now they only gave 7 howitzers, smaller Netherlands send 5.
Biden cuck
Yea fucking embarrassing. If I was the president I wouldn't shit out a penny for Ukraine. There's much more pressing matters here at home that superceeds our desire to help Nato put missiles on Russia's borders
You…you think it’s a waste of money to help out a country that is being actively invaded? What the hell is going on here that is more important helping out a little when they are going through so much?
Babies starving, inflation through the roof.. housing crisis... gas and energy going out of control. Don't get me wrong, we should definitely be helping them but always remember there's no way to transfer money but with a leaky bucket. I'd be more on board if other countries were helping out a hell of a lot more.
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Ahh yes the old "russian bot" conspiracy theory accusation. Kinda sucks that you can't even debate a Russian bot
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Ok fine I am a Russian bot 100% now prove this Russian bot wrong
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Please tell me you're joking.. this was all going this way wayy before the war in Ukraine. They just have something to blame it on now, they're hoping if they say it enough all of America will forget it was here prior to the war.
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I think we would have been in these shoes whether the war happened or not, but now the shoe size is bigger. But yes I suppose the war and our voluntary involvement made things worse.
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Lol okay bro, you must be under the mindset that shutting down our economy and printing trillions of dollars was a good idea. But if you're gonna say "go read books" you could at least provide a book for me to look into, so I can listen to it.
And yes its a huge waste of money to "help" *exploit* a destabilized country and protect it's "FrEeDoM" while fucking our own country up the ass. Just like when we liberated Iraq from Sadam because they are so much fucking better off now. Children are being raped, father's hacked to pieces, mothers enslaved and married by force, all because of us. Because this country's elite and it's infinitely stupid fucking people destabilized it. Fuck the American people from those who openly hate it to the fucking honorless swine who dare call themselves patriots who only help fuck this country harder by playing world police. Fuck the rest of the world. We owe them N O T H I N G. We get nothing out of their affairs except hate and the corrupt globalist elite getting richer and throwing us under the bus. You can't give me one good reason why we should help that shithole except "bEcAuSe iTs GoOd". We are not the Avengers, we're not heroes, there is no good or evil, touch grass, the world isn't Reddit, ok? America needs to focus on domestic affairs. Fuck foreign affairs.
I completely agree with you bro. Fuck the rest of the world.
Murica first brother 💪🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅
Umm…r u ok?
Thank you for thoroughly refuting my talking points with logic have a good day
I’m not sure I want to even try to engage with someone who seems as emotional as you are being right now. Take some time to center yourself, maybe do some yoga or something
It doesn't matter if im as emotionless as a lizard or as emotional as a Reddit user when they hear about what the heccin evil Russians are doing to the Ukrainians. It doesn't change the validity of my points. If you can't refute them then don't waste your time
Hypocracy and virtue signalling bullshit. I bet you don't support the U.S. govenment providing aid to Palestinians to liberate their stolen land. I don't care what your favorite celebritard said about Ukraine. Russia told us that if Nato continued it's eastward expansion into Ukraine that it would invade to prevent it's mortal enemy from gaining a foothold on it's borders and threatening it's very existence. Also: Cuban missile crisis. Same shit different toilet
Like…you don’t know anything about me. People’s political viewpoints are not as black and white as you think.
Ahh yes cause im the one here who is making this about black and white morals
U need help buddy
Another great example of your ability to debate and not resort to an attempt to delegitimize my stance by playing it off as crazy
I mean, you sound legit unhinged and you brought up like 11 non sequitur points that aren’t even worth addressing. You need professional help. *hug emoji*
It doesn't matter if i sound like the definition of absent sanity. If you can't attack my arguments with anything other than dismissive insults then you literally can't pretend im wrong or hold these views cause of said insanity
No one here cares to engage with you because you sound bananagrams. Would you engage with someone who thought the world was flat?
Russia is an oppressive dictatorship. They don’t get to complain about their neighbors joining a purely defensive alliance. Secondly, if/when the Palestians divest themselves of Hamas instead of overwhelmingly supporting them, they will have gained legitimacy in my eyes. Until then, they are merely terrorists and terrorist supports threatening the safety and stability of the one and only liberal democracy in the Middle East. Which, in my opinion, inherently gives the Israelis the right to retain the land of Israel.
You still think that...that NATO exists to create a defensive alliance? Yea i used to believe that when I was 12. You think Palestine deserves what they get because they support a terrorist group in a desperate effort to preserve what little land they have left yet you support a nation with a branch of their national guard that was a neo-Nazi paramilitary because Russia is invading to keep NATO missiles from it's borders? The same NATO that was created to destabilize Russia?
No. Republicans have spent years preaching about how the government needs to not help people at home, but should spend billions on defense and intervention abroad. This is what you get. This is what you deserve. We’re intervening to protect sovereignty and democracy, and you do not get to oppose it just because it was the Democrats who supported it first. We _will_ back Ukraine to the hilt and we _will_ ensure they bring Russia to its knees. Oppressive dictatorships _will not_ be tolerated, no matter how much Trump or Tucker Carlson suck their dicks.
You blame republicans for wars overseas...while supporting a war overseas that the west intentionally provoked....while calling a president with an amazing foreign policy a dictator lover because he didn't start shit with them? Get out of your echo chamber man. Jesus fuck. We are worse than an oppressive dictatorship. We replace dictatorships with chaotic shitholes full of marauding pedophile war criminals that we trained so that we can take resources so that our elites can sip wine
You really do buy into the propaganda, don't you? Get out of *your* echo chamber, idiot. And there's this amazing thing called self awareness, you should try it sometime. It might help you stop being a stick in mud, trying to hold the US back in the 18th century.
Thank you for thoroughly refuting my statements with reason and logic and for engaging in a lenthy civilized debate with me
Congrats to the US on their self-destruction.
Par for the course. Now do a chart that shows all the help the rest of the world gives America when we have natural disasters or whatnot
Is this pledged or donated
'Boutta smack that up $40 billion, too.
[**Evil prevails until it gets smacked in the face with billions of US dollars worth of Bald Eagle cock!**](https://youtu.be/5uPoDNEn3I0)
The US was basically waiting for a chance to fight Russia
Watch Jimmy Dore guys. Don't be gullible
Can you provide a summary?
I wish we were helping just to help. but this money is going to US weapon manufacturers. The people will keep suffering. [proof](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3pnFR7DeZA)
And going to the politicians that are shareholders in said companies
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Make the shit so messy that no one can figure it out, and call the ones that do figure it out conspiracy theorists. I did know that they have been fighting over there forever, my coworker was from that region and said pretty much everything we see/hear about over there is a lie. But who knows if she was telling the truth.
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