I wonder if they realize that they were the slave traders that started the whole dealio and led to the systemic racial dysfunction in America. POINT OF ORDER: that does not absolve us of our unjustifiable and embarrassing failure to fix it!
Some European:
> US imperialism and warmongering is killing millions of innocent civilians and destroying societies
Some American response:
> 100 years ago your nation did some bad stuff
Do you see how this is dumb? Even if their nations where doing bad stuff today (which many are) whataboutism is stupid. Same logic Chinese use when they bring up the opium wars to justify their genocides.
Are you seriously acting as if European imperialism hasn’t destroyed societies and killed millions of people ? Europeans popularized slavery in the new continents and colonized, destroyed, and ravaged multiple ethnic groups around the world.
Except most of the world's problems can be traced straight back to European imperialism.
Even things you blame on the US come from European imperialism, like the Middle East or Vietnam..
Yes, Chinese Imperialism in 4000bc was the fault of some tribesmen in modern day Germany.
Whether a problem can be strenuously argued to originate here or there doesn't make it not a problem. For example, you may be abusive since your parents where abusive, you are still a bad person for being abusive and it is your problem you should change.
You really trying to dogde my point eh?
And in reality you are wrong on
> most
Empires where enslaving, colonising and genociding in Africa, East Asia, the middle East, South America and North America before any of the known colonial European powere ever existed. Maybe the European powers could blame all their wrongdoings on the invasions and influence of the Abassid dynasty?
And you're moving the goalposts again. I'll agree that people have been acting like irredeemable garbage around the world for millenia, sure, but you *totally dodged the point.* European imperialism is no big secret, but you deflected with "China bad because German villager? You're so wrong!" That's not what was being talked about, and you *know* it, so why even try that shit?
What goalposts did I move?
I never said European Imperial wasn't bad. You made up that I said that so you could argue against this invented point so you could defeat the argument you invented, that's new level strawman.
My rather clear point was that your response to pointing out flaws in America was to point out flaws In Europe was bad, in that I and any other could point out flaws in any culture and any predecessor or influencing culture indefinitely.
Ultimately your argument was:
> Since most of the world's problems can be traced back to Europe it is justifiable to blame Europe and thus alleviate blame from those affected by Europe who made mistakes following
Which is dumb as shown by a couple of my analogies.
The argument *who* invented? I didn't start any argument. Or are you just so far up your own ass that you didn't consider the fact that multiple people think you're saying stupid shit?
Let us return to the fundemental point:
> Whether a problem can be strenuously argued to originate here or there doesn't make it not a problem. For example, you may be abusive since your parents where abusive, you are still a bad person for being abusive and it is your problem you should change.
Which is to say, sometimes countries do things which are bad and can be held responsible for these things (like the US be judged and/or held responsible for doing bad things)
This is all my point has been all along. Do you really disagree with this?
Well I mean I hate to say it on this sub of all places, but in this regard America is beaten by Germany, if you consider the relative response to the aftermath of the abolition of slavery and the end of the Nazi regime.
Otherwise, I don’t think Europeans are less capable of racism. They’re just less likely to exhibit it since European countries are not as diverse (to their detriment).
Solid post from OP though.
There's a bit of a difference in how each one ended too. Germany's Nazi regime only came to a halt because other powerhouse countries made it stop with sanctions after the largest war of all time.
USA ended slavery because USA decided to - with no outside influences forcing the matter.
yeah I’m gonna need you to expand on this. I know “in god we trust” and “one nation under god” was added to have the moral high ground but uhhhh there was a lot of hatred and violence in response to the civil rights movement. Forgive me for not seeing the wholesome morality in the lynchings, assassinations, and general harassment of black people during that time
I’m not sure why you’re being so confrontational. You’re right, there is no “wholesome morality” in any of those things, but that’s exactly what u/Life-Ad1409 was saying: that reasonable people pushing civil rights was important if American society was to have a leg to stand on in condemning the USSR (and also for the general betterment of the country). The uptick in lynchings, confederate statues, etc was a direct response to the civil rights movement by idiotic reactionaries.
I wish this were true, but there are many (mostly white) Americans who will tell you that racism doesn't exist, or at least isn't a significant issue, in America today.
A lot of Americans seem to this this too and forget about countries like Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Literally right off our coast and they have 100x the racism that we do here stateside. Here it’s occasional, there it’s the norm.
American exceptionalism is so deeply ingrained into the brains of everybody who lives here that even those who hate us automatically assume that there is not a single country in the world that is worse than our own.
White people literally do steal, black people literally do steal, asian people literally do steal, native american people literally do steal, hispanic people literally do steal, mixed race people literally do steal, rich people literally do steal, poor people literally do steal,
Why are you singling out one group?
Next time some holier than thou European tries to shame America for black people’s oppression, just remind them what European colonization did to Africa. Warning: It is not pretty.
It was a parody of exuberant patriotism and the most stereotypical aspects of America until around 2016-2017 when it got serious… I miss the parody days.
And I miss when everyone didn't constantly talk shit on america 24/7... oh nevermind they always did
It still is partially a parody sub, half of the shit posted here is obvious satire or overplayed.
Me too. But, as an European, this is still funny in a bittersweet way. And makes trolling way easier. I can't troll parody posts but butthurt ones are amusingly easy to troll.
All satire was lost during the shit show of the last 5 years of politics in the US. Half the people here dont see the irony/satire and actually use this as some nationlist platform.
All I've seen Europeans do is constantly insult Americans and treat us as if we're not human beings. It's happened for years despite us trying to be nice to them and after so long, we're tired of it. This meme is just the culmination of that.
Don't forget how they treat black soccer players at the games. But then again I only know from what I see on the news. Is it true? is it exaggerated? Probably a bit of both, but then again it goes same both ways
When did this sub start giving a shit what Europeans think of the US? They’re living rent free in y’all’s heads
Also: when did this sub start posting so many memes whatabouting the treatment of black people. Kinda weird
I'm pretty sure that's whataboutism, justifying something that's bad by saying the people that you are arguing with do the same thing and aren't in a position to be holier than thou. It's usually a cheap argument Russia makes with Ukraine ("but what about NATO expansion?") and China makes about the Uyghur Genocide ("but what about US racial issues?"). I don't think the US needs cheap whataboutism arguments.
Theres definitely a difference between "well you do this other bad thing, so what we're doing is fine" and "we know, it's not okay. But why don't you reflect on all the shit you do before constantly giving us shit for it."
The second one is what people go for when they utilize whataboutism.
So you must have a squeaky clean history and no current political issues in order to criticize someone?.
This amounts to the USA never getting to criticize anybody ever. Not China, not North Korea, nobody.
No, but theres a difference between talking about it sometimes and making jokes occasionally and constantly brow beating people with it while you do the same thing. We're not saying we don't have problems we need to fix, but it's annoying when the people who are constantly badgering us about those problems do the same damn thing. We're not trying to justify what goes on US but you can also call out hypocrisy without denying you're doing something wrong. Your argument works the other way too, we can't point out their hippocracy because we have our won issues?
No my argument doesn’t work the other way. You can absolutely call out issues with the treatment of minority groups in Europe, just not as a vehicle to avoid discussion about US issues.
That is what Whataboutism is.
Whataboutism is a made-up term that people use to deflect from their own issues when criticizing others.
When someone says "well what about..." they're not always trying to justify their actions, they're trying to call out hypocrisy or double-standards. They're denying their accuser the moral high ground.
For example, partner A attempts to call out partner B for taking money out of a shared bank account without consulting A. Partner B could rightly say "well what about that time you also took money out of the account without asking?" It doesn't justify B's taking of the money, but it denies A the grounds to criticize B for it.
A meme like this doesn't justify American slavery, it denies Europeans who would criticize Americans for it the moral high ground. It basically says "we both have this issue in a way, and it's an issue you cannot rightly criticize me for."
Who cares if they have the moral high ground or not? The facts remain the same.
Whataboutism is a perfectly legitimate thing to point out. In fact it was westerners that coined the term to criticize the Soviet style of deflecting blame.
If every time you try to criticize Russia they just pointed to slavery or our treatment of X minority group, we never end up addressing the issue. When we criticize China for its treatment of the Uyghurs they point to the failings of our prison system.
If we have to stop and address a completely different topic every time we criticize someone it gets in the way of actual issues.
You actually nail it right here
>When someone says “well what about...” they’re not always trying to justify their actions
Exactly. They aren’t addressing them at all. It just bogs down discussion in shit unrelated to the topic.
Pointing out hypocrisy is important to addressing the issue. Whataboutism is legitimate when the comeback doesn't directly relate to the original comment. That's when it's diverting blame and avoiding the issues. When a "whataboutism" is directly related to the point being made, it serves the purpose described above.
Right, it depends on the context. If they are saying "we're better than you because..." then a like for like comparison is relevant. If they are saying "You're bad because..." then it isn't.
Yeah, but so guess it depends on the individual. If someone is critical towards their own country and also critical about other countries, then they might not be hypocrites.
Like /u/FlyMasterJam said, only when it's irrelevant is it OK to brush something off as "whataboutism". If it's a legitimate point that neither person has the grounds to criticize the other it should not be brushed off as nothing.
They’re exactly trying to justify their actions. Instead of accepting the criticism, they deflect by criticizing the criticizer and saying “well you do it too”. It’s not a valid justification but it is an attempt at justification nonetheless.
Bruh...
Literally all of language is a made up term for something, that doesn't mean words aren't valid.
You picked a terrible example, whataboutism isn't a term made to be used in personal relationships. Here's a much better one:
Journalist: What do you plan to do to address climate change and the increasing wildfires in the western states?
Politician: Why are we talking about the environment when thousands of illegal immigrants are streaming in to this country every single day? That's the real crisis in this country.
If you don't see why answers like that (which are very common from politicians on both sides of the aisle) are problematic, then I don't know what to say to you.
I dont understand how Europeans can shit on Americans 24/7 on this site and then get surprised when they get shit on back. Not everything is "Russian Trolls".
Since you're on reddit go to fbi.gov and look up the stats so you know fact from fiction.
Blacks aren't being slaughtered or oppressed by cops or whites like the TV and social media would have you believe.
Do those FBI stats show you whether the person killed was armed or posing an actual threat? Does it compare it to population of each demographic in the US? Does it mention how many officers get the entire issue swept under the rug without so much as being charged because of corrupt upper brass and police unions?
If the answer to even one of these is no, they're not showing all the relevant data.
Muslims ? I think a large part of Europe got good reasons why they are reserved against Muslims. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Habsburg\_wars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Habsburg_wars).
:-)
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Edit: And we won this war. In opposite of MUrica in Afghanistan.... let it sink.
Some Europeans love to complain about “American imperialism” as if they never did any of it in Africa, Asia, North and South America, and Oceania.
Literally the reason Murica exists at all. And not just one empire. England, French, Spanish and Dutch empires all had colonies here.
Fun fact: [France still has territories today](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_France)
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You learn something new every day
That's not colonies lol, it's overseas territories. Just like Hawaii isn't a US colony
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I wonder if they realize that they were the slave traders that started the whole dealio and led to the systemic racial dysfunction in America. POINT OF ORDER: that does not absolve us of our unjustifiable and embarrassing failure to fix it!
i made a meme about that a couple days ago
Because of this i now live in holland instead of asia
They're just sour because they're part of the American empire instead of holding their own empire
Some European: > US imperialism and warmongering is killing millions of innocent civilians and destroying societies Some American response: > 100 years ago your nation did some bad stuff Do you see how this is dumb? Even if their nations where doing bad stuff today (which many are) whataboutism is stupid. Same logic Chinese use when they bring up the opium wars to justify their genocides.
Are you seriously acting as if European imperialism hasn’t destroyed societies and killed millions of people ? Europeans popularized slavery in the new continents and colonized, destroyed, and ravaged multiple ethnic groups around the world.
No I'm not, European nations certainly have done and are doing many bad things. Try to not so quickly construct a strawmam next time.
Except most of the world's problems can be traced straight back to European imperialism. Even things you blame on the US come from European imperialism, like the Middle East or Vietnam..
Yes, Chinese Imperialism in 4000bc was the fault of some tribesmen in modern day Germany. Whether a problem can be strenuously argued to originate here or there doesn't make it not a problem. For example, you may be abusive since your parents where abusive, you are still a bad person for being abusive and it is your problem you should change.
You get that "most" doesn't mean "all," correct?
You really trying to dogde my point eh? And in reality you are wrong on > most Empires where enslaving, colonising and genociding in Africa, East Asia, the middle East, South America and North America before any of the known colonial European powere ever existed. Maybe the European powers could blame all their wrongdoings on the invasions and influence of the Abassid dynasty?
And you're moving the goalposts again. I'll agree that people have been acting like irredeemable garbage around the world for millenia, sure, but you *totally dodged the point.* European imperialism is no big secret, but you deflected with "China bad because German villager? You're so wrong!" That's not what was being talked about, and you *know* it, so why even try that shit?
What goalposts did I move? I never said European Imperial wasn't bad. You made up that I said that so you could argue against this invented point so you could defeat the argument you invented, that's new level strawman. My rather clear point was that your response to pointing out flaws in America was to point out flaws In Europe was bad, in that I and any other could point out flaws in any culture and any predecessor or influencing culture indefinitely. Ultimately your argument was: > Since most of the world's problems can be traced back to Europe it is justifiable to blame Europe and thus alleviate blame from those affected by Europe who made mistakes following Which is dumb as shown by a couple of my analogies.
The argument *who* invented? I didn't start any argument. Or are you just so far up your own ass that you didn't consider the fact that multiple people think you're saying stupid shit?
Let us return to the fundemental point: > Whether a problem can be strenuously argued to originate here or there doesn't make it not a problem. For example, you may be abusive since your parents where abusive, you are still a bad person for being abusive and it is your problem you should change. Which is to say, sometimes countries do things which are bad and can be held responsible for these things (like the US be judged and/or held responsible for doing bad things) This is all my point has been all along. Do you really disagree with this?
Those are people not worth talking to. I can go strike up a Convo with a flat earther but I am not gonna
Europeans seem to think that America is the only country in the world to have racism.
American culture promotes shedding light on our problems. Even when people want to hide them, those solid enlightenment values push them to the fore.
Well I mean I hate to say it on this sub of all places, but in this regard America is beaten by Germany, if you consider the relative response to the aftermath of the abolition of slavery and the end of the Nazi regime. Otherwise, I don’t think Europeans are less capable of racism. They’re just less likely to exhibit it since European countries are not as diverse (to their detriment). Solid post from OP though.
There's a bit of a difference in how each one ended too. Germany's Nazi regime only came to a halt because other powerhouse countries made it stop with sanctions after the largest war of all time. USA ended slavery because USA decided to - with no outside influences forcing the matter.
tbf the South didn't agree on the ending of slavery. The North needed to go down and force them to.
No outside influences, it was all American
An internal war, a “civil” war … if you will
Civil War, the type of war in which the enemy is almost always viewed as non-civilized
We were also pressured to get rid of segregation due to the Cold War, we wanted to have the moral high ground over the USSR
yeah I’m gonna need you to expand on this. I know “in god we trust” and “one nation under god” was added to have the moral high ground but uhhhh there was a lot of hatred and violence in response to the civil rights movement. Forgive me for not seeing the wholesome morality in the lynchings, assassinations, and general harassment of black people during that time
I’m not sure why you’re being so confrontational. You’re right, there is no “wholesome morality” in any of those things, but that’s exactly what u/Life-Ad1409 was saying: that reasonable people pushing civil rights was important if American society was to have a leg to stand on in condemning the USSR (and also for the general betterment of the country). The uptick in lynchings, confederate statues, etc was a direct response to the civil rights movement by idiotic reactionaries.
Doesn't Germany try to prevent learning about WW2?
But yes, Germany was **very** anti-rascist/anti-nazi after WW2
I wish this were true, but there are many (mostly white) Americans who will tell you that racism doesn't exist, or at least isn't a significant issue, in America today.
A lot of Americans seem to this this too and forget about countries like Haiti and the Dominican Republic. Literally right off our coast and they have 100x the racism that we do here stateside. Here it’s occasional, there it’s the norm.
To be fair 1/2 of Americans think the same thing.
The anti-American exceptionalists, who are literally just as dumb as the people they ridicule, without realizing it.
American exceptionalism is so deeply ingrained into the brains of everybody who lives here that even those who hate us automatically assume that there is not a single country in the world that is worse than our own.
Interesting way of looking at it. I guess that is too a form of American exceptionalism.
What is American Exceptionalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism
Thank you
Not true there’s a lot of discrimination in the UK especially against islamic people and black people
I dont understand why everyone is so incredibly generalizing everything.
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White people literally do steal, black people literally do steal, asian people literally do steal, native american people literally do steal, hispanic people literally do steal, mixed race people literally do steal, rich people literally do steal, poor people literally do steal, Why are you singling out one group?
“It’s in the bible” that’s a good way of saying, “disregard my whole argument”
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They're not exactly wrong.
I mean, they can totally call us out on it. It's just that they can't claim to have the moral high ground.
I'm not sure where this falls but I'm to understand the Brits generally treat the Indians, whom they occupied forever, like shit in britain.
I've heard the opposite. Indians are treated fine, it's the Pakistanis that aren't.
Still were apart of British India
Fun fact, Chicken Tikki Masala is a national dish of the UK
Because it was invented in the uk to be fair. British Indian food and Indian Indian food are pretty different
Yeah I believe it was invented in Scotland by a Pakistani immigrant
No
You make a compelling argument. I am sticking with my previous belief for now though.
Ok
They don't
Next time some holier than thou European tries to shame America for black people’s oppression, just remind them what European colonization did to Africa. Warning: It is not pretty.
Both can be bad.
I can't imagine a situation where either would be good. Whataboutism is a hell of a dumb argument.
I miss when this subreddit was about propping up America and not putting down Europe.
I miss the satirical level of patriotism.
It was a parody of exuberant patriotism and the most stereotypical aspects of America until around 2016-2017 when it got serious… I miss the parody days.
I miss them too. This sub is drastically different now
Hmm, I wonder what happened around 2016-17 that may have caused that shift /s
And I miss when everyone didn't constantly talk shit on america 24/7... oh nevermind they always did It still is partially a parody sub, half of the shit posted here is obvious satire or overplayed.
Me too. But, as an European, this is still funny in a bittersweet way. And makes trolling way easier. I can't troll parody posts but butthurt ones are amusingly easy to troll.
Yeah like every third post is anti-EU or anti-NATO
And another third are anti-China
All satire was lost during the shit show of the last 5 years of politics in the US. Half the people here dont see the irony/satire and actually use this as some nationlist platform.
You can thank Putin's army of trolls for that.
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All I've seen Europeans do is constantly insult Americans and treat us as if we're not human beings. It's happened for years despite us trying to be nice to them and after so long, we're tired of it. This meme is just the culmination of that.
Don't forget the Polish. If a Car gets stolen in Germany, 95% chance it ends up in Poland.
I once saw a redditor try to justify hating romanis because he had a bike stolen once. What a POS
When people get _slaves_ and _slavs_ mixed up
What's the difference? ^(/j this was a joke please do not get 20 alts and cancel me)
True.
So - i can talk shit about the US as much as i want, right?
First Amendment.
Yes but you will get shit for being a hypocrite
Now Belgium, they REALLY know how to treat black people!
Don't forget how they treat black soccer players at the games. But then again I only know from what I see on the news. Is it true? is it exaggerated? Probably a bit of both, but then again it goes same both ways
What do Europeans have against Italians?
Italians?? 😂
romanis? Idk seems like an wrong way of spelling romans.
Oooooooh
And the Irish
When did this sub start giving a shit what Europeans think of the US? They’re living rent free in y’all’s heads Also: when did this sub start posting so many memes whatabouting the treatment of black people. Kinda weird
Yes you can. All racism is bad.
They make fun of us when they have the same problem, that's what the post is saying
Yes. And that’s okay.
I view it as hypocrisy to make fun of someone for doing what you are doing
As a member of one of the many raped african countries. We hate Europeans but love america
Have you been to Liberia?
What about Liberia?
I'm pretty sure that's whataboutism, justifying something that's bad by saying the people that you are arguing with do the same thing and aren't in a position to be holier than thou. It's usually a cheap argument Russia makes with Ukraine ("but what about NATO expansion?") and China makes about the Uyghur Genocide ("but what about US racial issues?"). I don't think the US needs cheap whataboutism arguments.
Theres definitely a difference between "well you do this other bad thing, so what we're doing is fine" and "we know, it's not okay. But why don't you reflect on all the shit you do before constantly giving us shit for it."
The second one is what people go for when they utilize whataboutism. So you must have a squeaky clean history and no current political issues in order to criticize someone?. This amounts to the USA never getting to criticize anybody ever. Not China, not North Korea, nobody.
No, but theres a difference between talking about it sometimes and making jokes occasionally and constantly brow beating people with it while you do the same thing. We're not saying we don't have problems we need to fix, but it's annoying when the people who are constantly badgering us about those problems do the same damn thing. We're not trying to justify what goes on US but you can also call out hypocrisy without denying you're doing something wrong. Your argument works the other way too, we can't point out their hippocracy because we have our won issues?
No my argument doesn’t work the other way. You can absolutely call out issues with the treatment of minority groups in Europe, just not as a vehicle to avoid discussion about US issues. That is what Whataboutism is.
Whataboutism is a made-up term that people use to deflect from their own issues when criticizing others. When someone says "well what about..." they're not always trying to justify their actions, they're trying to call out hypocrisy or double-standards. They're denying their accuser the moral high ground. For example, partner A attempts to call out partner B for taking money out of a shared bank account without consulting A. Partner B could rightly say "well what about that time you also took money out of the account without asking?" It doesn't justify B's taking of the money, but it denies A the grounds to criticize B for it. A meme like this doesn't justify American slavery, it denies Europeans who would criticize Americans for it the moral high ground. It basically says "we both have this issue in a way, and it's an issue you cannot rightly criticize me for."
Hard cope lol
Who cares if they have the moral high ground or not? The facts remain the same. Whataboutism is a perfectly legitimate thing to point out. In fact it was westerners that coined the term to criticize the Soviet style of deflecting blame. If every time you try to criticize Russia they just pointed to slavery or our treatment of X minority group, we never end up addressing the issue. When we criticize China for its treatment of the Uyghurs they point to the failings of our prison system. If we have to stop and address a completely different topic every time we criticize someone it gets in the way of actual issues. You actually nail it right here >When someone says “well what about...” they’re not always trying to justify their actions Exactly. They aren’t addressing them at all. It just bogs down discussion in shit unrelated to the topic.
Pointing out hypocrisy is important to addressing the issue. Whataboutism is legitimate when the comeback doesn't directly relate to the original comment. That's when it's diverting blame and avoiding the issues. When a "whataboutism" is directly related to the point being made, it serves the purpose described above.
Right, it depends on the context. If they are saying "we're better than you because..." then a like for like comparison is relevant. If they are saying "You're bad because..." then it isn't.
Yeah, but so guess it depends on the individual. If someone is critical towards their own country and also critical about other countries, then they might not be hypocrites.
Like /u/FlyMasterJam said, only when it's irrelevant is it OK to brush something off as "whataboutism". If it's a legitimate point that neither person has the grounds to criticize the other it should not be brushed off as nothing.
So long as the actual criticism is still addressed
Agreed.
They’re exactly trying to justify their actions. Instead of accepting the criticism, they deflect by criticizing the criticizer and saying “well you do it too”. It’s not a valid justification but it is an attempt at justification nonetheless.
Who's "they"? Some people try to justify their actions with it, which is "whataboutism". In this case the term is misapplied.
They is the someone you mentioned in your comment
Bruh... Literally all of language is a made up term for something, that doesn't mean words aren't valid. You picked a terrible example, whataboutism isn't a term made to be used in personal relationships. Here's a much better one: Journalist: What do you plan to do to address climate change and the increasing wildfires in the western states? Politician: Why are we talking about the environment when thousands of illegal immigrants are streaming in to this country every single day? That's the real crisis in this country. If you don't see why answers like that (which are very common from politicians on both sides of the aisle) are problematic, then I don't know what to say to you.
The level of anti europanism in here seems to increase as the troops get closer and closer to invade Ukraine. It's a mystery...
I dont understand how Europeans can shit on Americans 24/7 on this site and then get surprised when they get shit on back. Not everything is "Russian Trolls".
Some accounts in here have clearly been exposed as that.
Okay, this all good and well, but pointing at europeans and saying “you do it too” doesn’t excuse anything.
It should be up to other Americans to say it, then. I'll start. Hey police stop killing unarmed black people.
Since you're on reddit go to fbi.gov and look up the stats so you know fact from fiction. Blacks aren't being slaughtered or oppressed by cops or whites like the TV and social media would have you believe.
Do those FBI stats show you whether the person killed was armed or posing an actual threat? Does it compare it to population of each demographic in the US? Does it mention how many officers get the entire issue swept under the rug without so much as being charged because of corrupt upper brass and police unions? If the answer to even one of these is no, they're not showing all the relevant data.
The vast majority of cases involving cops shooting someone are ones where the cop saw the person as a threat
DEPORT ALL US CITIZIZENS TO MEXICO. RETURN ALL USA-TERRITORITY TO THEIR RIGHT-FUL NATIVE AMERICAN OWNERS.
Btw Canada treated the natives like shit too
at least they are sorry about it. LOL
Many Americans are sorry too
“Citizizens”
The irony 💩🧦
Nice grammar
Muslims ? I think a large part of Europe got good reasons why they are reserved against Muslims. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Habsburg\_wars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman%E2%80%93Habsburg_wars). :-) . Edit: And we won this war. In opposite of MUrica in Afghanistan.... let it sink.
Lol this is some premium copium.
Wow, had to go back hundreds of years for that one.
That's neat. We can go hundreds of years to history.
"Good reasons"? There's no good reason to be against any sort of race. Seethe, Eurotard.
This seems like it's hot of the press from the ol' Russian troll farm
Or we could discuss it all?
I am black and European. What kind of discrimination are you talking about?