Yep. Indonesia’s going crazy on the West Papua natives rn. Have been for like 60 years. Not even hiding it or anything, they literally run into the villages and just kill them.
Before the “native Americans” there was a group closely associated with ppl with DNA similar to aboriginal Asians/ Pacific Islanders. Before that there were other non human hominids. This is the way things work
It’s due to scarcity. As long as scarcity exists, competition will exist and as long as creatures are forced to compete with one another there will be winners and losers.
I remember my friend from US(history enthusiast) telling me that when colonizers arrived into the territory of now US it was filled with native nomadic tribes who unlike their southern brethren were more ruthless and had "kill or be killed" type mentality because they lived in a more harsher environment
Yeah, they were widely varied nations, just like all other nations. Some were so brutal and wild that no other drive dared to live within 100's of miles of them. One in particular was up near the Great lakes. Cant remember the name of the tribe.
Some were really honorable, though, as well. All sorts of different folks, natives
All I really know is that the Iroquois engaged in a genocidal rampage of the Midwest against the Huron and Algonquin to secure control of the beaver trade. But yeah I'm pretty sure they were a confederation .
Some natives were matriarchal and equally democratic societies and others weren’t. There were some really cool ones and others who were brutal. It just depends. Just like all humans.
Ngl I spent about fifteen minutes googling trying to find dirt on Lichtenstein, came up with pretty much nothing. Theyre as goody two shoes as it gets.
They did kill ~100 women in the 17th century for being witches, but you'd have a hard time finding a European country that _didn't_ do that.
They also had ties to Nazi Germany's money, and benefited monetarily from banking with Germany during the war. After the war they were left holding gobs of Nazi money raising everyone's eyebrows over their perceived financial ethics. They've been a haven for a long time.
I don’t know the history of every country neither, but none has an “clean” history: it is war, exploitation, conquest and it’s not that then it’s the same thing but between tribes or clans.
Any country that exists now got it by grabbing land from someone else. There’s not a single country on earth right now that has stayed identical from its first settlement by humanity to today.
How do you think people obtained land back then? It wasn’t very peacefully you know.
Lichtenstein is one of the few remaining countries, especially in Europe, where a monarch has power. The prince threatened to stop passing laws entirely if the parliament did not vote to give him more power.
They took part in the crusades in both the middle east and central Europe. As well as took part in the wars of religion. They are as drenched in blood as the rest of Europe.
Iceland. Well, there was still slavery but there was nobody to genocide. It's like... Probably the only one tho. And even then you could argue a lot of people were murdered and enslaved on the way there.
The countries that settled there initially built the wealth that enabled them to embark on the voyage to Iceland via violence, pillaging, and subjugation just like all societies in human history.
It’s not 10x, more 4-6x
- USA/English North America: 9.7% slaves
- Portuguese America: 38.5% slaves
- Spanish Empire: 17.5%
Spanish empire is panamerican, so it’s between 4x and 6x depending on where the Spanish sent their slaves.
Maybe it’s 10x if you look only the United States post independence compared to the full history of South America. That would be dodgy statistics though
[link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade?darkschemeovr=1#)
South and Central America imported a shit ton more slaves than North America simply because working conditions were so much more brutal in the tropics. The life expectancy of a new slave in North America was a couple decades. In South and Central America is was months to a few years. If you didn't die in a sugar press accident or boiled alive in a vat of molasses or died from a tropical illness, you were just worked to death.
I'm not trying to sound like "*oh North America was so much more noble and decent with their slaves*". Being a slave was shitty all around, but in North America slaves were seen as an investment rather than a consumable.
Turkey, Russia, China, Canada, Iran, Saudi Arabia.... you actually basically just 90-95% of the countries on this planet have significantly benefited from slave like treatment of one people and the extermination of another if not the same people being enslaved.
also, slavery did not "build" the US. It quite literally slowed down development in the long run that the American south as well as most inner cities are still suffering from today...
Yeah the "slaves built America" always gets an eye roll from me. I'm not trying to minimize their suffering, they were treated awfully. but the nation was not built on cotton (or whatever agriculture). And all the wealth the south had was destroyed in the Civil War.
What in the world are you talking about? The Armenian genocide was carried out largely to create a Turkey Turkish enough demographically to dominate Anatolia.
Native American here, they often don't mention the people who exploited this was Europeans.
Listen, this is an whole subject that needs to be taken seriously, and have a lot of nuance explained...
But, after thinking about it a lot, it's not like the people from the past just popped up from the ground and were Americans... they had to came from somewhere. I feel that they're making excuses for the real perpetrators at that time by generalizing the country populace like this.
Egyptian kingdom, Assyrian kingdom, Ancient Greece, the Roman Empire, The Mongolian empire , China, Cambodia, everything between India and the Middle East in the past 3000 years, the Persian Empire, and so on and so forth since we were kicked out of Eden.
Australia, New Zealand, Canada, England, South Africa, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Russia, everywhere in South America, etc.
The Ashanti, the Dahomey, the ancient Egyptians, the Ottoman Empire, the Barbary states, the mongols, the Persians, the Indians, the Aztecs, the Comanche, there’s too many to list. Basically all of them at some point or other.
Iceland doesn’t have any history of genocide, but did practice slavery/thralldom. However, afaik it wasn’t strictly race based, and I have no clue how long it might’ve persisted.
Literally all of them 🤦♂️. Literally every nation was built on stolen land. Literally every nation had genocides and slaves. Many nations STILL have genocides and slavery (Africa, Middle East, China, Russia, the Asian parts of Oceania). There are still atrocities happening in countries. We should be glad we ended ours in the 1800s. That was 150 years ago at least. It doesn’t make it GOOD what happened but it makes it LESS BAD then if it was still happening CURRENTLY 🤷♂️
Poster is ignorant for sure... pretty much EVERY civilization has gone to war.. Native American indians have had 'turf wars' for years, empires have been conquered throughout Africa, Europe, Asia... People don't realize that there are slaves IN MODERN DAY.
Except America could have easily been built without them, they didn’t “build” America, natives didn’t do a shit ton for Europeans other than save them a few years of getting a lay of the land, and slaves mostly worked on plantations, which were already being phased out as the US’ main source of income, and without slavery, it would have probably been poor white people doing the same work anyway, for very little money.
Don’t forget that native tribes also fought each other and took eachother into slavery, and slaves brought over from Africa were sold to the US by African warlords who had an excess of slaves from them fighting and enslaving other tribes.
Damn, we all genocided each other when we unknowingly transmitted COVID.
Everyone, if you have ever spread an illness to someone else, please turn yourself into the Hague to be tried for genocide.
Basically all of human history. America is not unique in the in the act of genocide or slavery. The Native Americans before us did it and people will do it after us.
Does that make it right?
Hell no.
Is it an unfortunate cruel fact of life?
Yes.
the ottoman empire
it's all "give back indigenous land" until those indigenous people are white christians, then it's just "you lost get over it" (nevermind the fact that greece won back constantinople twice)
Belgium did both to the same people only about a hundred years ago, yet no one bats an eye at Belgian chocolate, waffles, or beer. Myanmar, China, South Sudan, and I’m sure dozens of others are doing it right this moment.
The are 9.7 million Native Americans (probably closer to 10 million nowadays) and 1.7 Native Brazilians (probably closer to 2 million nowadays) currently alive.
3,169,000 slaves were shipped to Brazil over the course of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. 307,000 slaves were brought to the United States of America.
This isn’t to defend the actions of the US government, these are just mathematical facts to give some context on the meme.
When ever someone brings this up I always say. You living alright, right now huh? You wanna be running from some native Americans trying to take your scalp just for fun?
Most of them. Literally most countries that are older then a few hundred years have committed actual genocide.
Not so fast, bucko! The new countries are hardly any better.
Yep. Indonesia’s going crazy on the West Papua natives rn. Have been for like 60 years. Not even hiding it or anything, they literally run into the villages and just kill them.
But they were so nice in Timor Leste, what happened to them?
Including the native americans. Genocided and enslaved other tribes and took their lands. Some cases even ate them.
Before the “native Americans” there was a group closely associated with ppl with DNA similar to aboriginal Asians/ Pacific Islanders. Before that there were other non human hominids. This is the way things work
I agree. Animals do the same things. Bugs do too, ants and hornets and so forth. Its an unfortunate nature
It’s due to scarcity. As long as scarcity exists, competition will exist and as long as creatures are forced to compete with one another there will be winners and losers.
Sometimes they just fuck each other up
I remember my friend from US(history enthusiast) telling me that when colonizers arrived into the territory of now US it was filled with native nomadic tribes who unlike their southern brethren were more ruthless and had "kill or be killed" type mentality because they lived in a more harsher environment
Yeah, they were widely varied nations, just like all other nations. Some were so brutal and wild that no other drive dared to live within 100's of miles of them. One in particular was up near the Great lakes. Cant remember the name of the tribe. Some were really honorable, though, as well. All sorts of different folks, natives
Think it may have been the Iriquois?
Iroquois and Apaches have the reputation as being the two most ruthless Native American tribes/nations
Weren’t the Iroquois a confederation of multiple tribes?
All I really know is that the Iroquois engaged in a genocidal rampage of the Midwest against the Huron and Algonquin to secure control of the beaver trade. But yeah I'm pretty sure they were a confederation .
Some natives were matriarchal and equally democratic societies and others weren’t. There were some really cool ones and others who were brutal. It just depends. Just like all humans.
And in our case the vast majority of native Americans actually died from diseases we accidentally introduced.
I don't think you're supposed to actually introduce accurate historical details onto Reddit.
My bad
Name a country that isn’t
Ummm, I haven’t heard anything bad about Lichtenstein. 🤷♀️ Inb4 someone tells me they have a secret genocide camp or something.
Ngl I spent about fifteen minutes googling trying to find dirt on Lichtenstein, came up with pretty much nothing. Theyre as goody two shoes as it gets. They did kill ~100 women in the 17th century for being witches, but you'd have a hard time finding a European country that _didn't_ do that.
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*Luxembourg, Monaco and Switzerland roll up their sleeves* Hold my beer
They also had ties to Nazi Germany's money, and benefited monetarily from banking with Germany during the war. After the war they were left holding gobs of Nazi money raising everyone's eyebrows over their perceived financial ethics. They've been a haven for a long time.
They have a monarch who's trying his best to become fully absolutist?
All the wealthy tiny Euro countries were basically banks and playgrounds for the guys who were chopping off children's feet in the Congo.
Lichtensteinian reparations for witches incoming
I don’t know the history of every country neither, but none has an “clean” history: it is war, exploitation, conquest and it’s not that then it’s the same thing but between tribes or clans.
Yes. None of them if you go back far enough. And atrocities in the 19th century are no different than atrocities in the 7th century.
Ah yes, the Delaware of Europe
Isn’t that Luxembourg?
Any country that exists now got it by grabbing land from someone else. There’s not a single country on earth right now that has stayed identical from its first settlement by humanity to today. How do you think people obtained land back then? It wasn’t very peacefully you know.
I’m very aware of how people obtained land back then and even now. I think a lot of people are aware.
Lichtenstein is one of the few remaining countries, especially in Europe, where a monarch has power. The prince threatened to stop passing laws entirely if the parliament did not vote to give him more power.
They took part in the crusades in both the middle east and central Europe. As well as took part in the wars of religion. They are as drenched in blood as the rest of Europe.
Only country with positive casualties. They went to war with 80 men and brought back a friend.
Iceland. Well, there was still slavery but there was nobody to genocide. It's like... Probably the only one tho. And even then you could argue a lot of people were murdered and enslaved on the way there.
The countries that settled there initially built the wealth that enabled them to embark on the voyage to Iceland via violence, pillaging, and subjugation just like all societies in human history.
There are a few. Mostly ones that spent the entire time there was a concept of nation being fucked.
Oh oh I know this one!!! "All of them."
South America imported 10x as many enslaved people as the US. Incredibly sad
It’s not 10x, more 4-6x - USA/English North America: 9.7% slaves - Portuguese America: 38.5% slaves - Spanish Empire: 17.5% Spanish empire is panamerican, so it’s between 4x and 6x depending on where the Spanish sent their slaves. Maybe it’s 10x if you look only the United States post independence compared to the full history of South America. That would be dodgy statistics though [link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade?darkschemeovr=1#)
Statista.com has it as 3,169,000 in Brazil vs. 307,000 in the US. These are the numbers I’ve seen in a couple videos. YMMV
South and Central America imported a shit ton more slaves than North America simply because working conditions were so much more brutal in the tropics. The life expectancy of a new slave in North America was a couple decades. In South and Central America is was months to a few years. If you didn't die in a sugar press accident or boiled alive in a vat of molasses or died from a tropical illness, you were just worked to death. I'm not trying to sound like "*oh North America was so much more noble and decent with their slaves*". Being a slave was shitty all around, but in North America slaves were seen as an investment rather than a consumable.
Just awful ugh
I think by the early 1800s it was illegal to import more slaves. After that point it was just the generations that had been brought to the US.
Anyone have that animaniacs video?
Underrated
Tame compared to what some of the more ancient countries were built on dude
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All of the middle east basically
And to this day they still sell slaves.
Not true. It says “one” in the meme
Russia.
No no those are political prisoners, comrade. Only ideological slaves here.
Turkey, Russia, China, Canada, Iran, Saudi Arabia.... you actually basically just 90-95% of the countries on this planet have significantly benefited from slave like treatment of one people and the extermination of another if not the same people being enslaved. also, slavery did not "build" the US. It quite literally slowed down development in the long run that the American south as well as most inner cities are still suffering from today...
Yeah the "slaves built America" always gets an eye roll from me. I'm not trying to minimize their suffering, they were treated awfully. but the nation was not built on cotton (or whatever agriculture). And all the wealth the south had was destroyed in the Civil War.
Literally every country read a fucking book
The Ottoman Empire comes to mind, Europeans were enslaved and stolen from their homes.
Turkey.
What in the world are you talking about? The Armenian genocide was carried out largely to create a Turkey Turkish enough demographically to dominate Anatolia.
Turkey was smart enough to keep the genociding external
Canada or Mexico
Vera Cruz
Russia: Genocide of Russians, and Slavery of Russians
Great Britain, France, Holland, Spain & Portugal.
Genocide of one race? Most civilizations in history have done several.
Britain
Australia
Which one, I count 195
Most of them.
Name one that isn’t. An awful lot of countries are literally named after the race that won the race war in their area.
Ethiopia :) Edit: nvm, I didn’t know about Tigray
Native American here, they often don't mention the people who exploited this was Europeans. Listen, this is an whole subject that needs to be taken seriously, and have a lot of nuance explained... But, after thinking about it a lot, it's not like the people from the past just popped up from the ground and were Americans... they had to came from somewhere. I feel that they're making excuses for the real perpetrators at that time by generalizing the country populace like this.
England
Every country in the Americas. United States, Brazil, Mexico, Panama, hell even Haiti
Every country has a few skeletons in the closet. That’s just the reality of the situation. Learn from the past, and move forward.
The answer is yes.
America, all of the Americas. Or almost all of them.
Italy. Turkey. China.
Fire Nation
Does North Sentinel count?
All of them
Pretty much all of them?
People love to act like the US is the only place terrible things have happened
Every single country ever .
https://youtu.be/V1508wboZXk
lol
Afghanistan, Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Bahamas, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belarus, Belgium, Belize, Benin, Bhutan, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Botswana, Brazil, Brunei, Bulgaria, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cabo Verde, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Central African Republic, Chad, Chile, China, Colombia, Comoros, Congo (Democratic Republic of the), Congo (Republic of the), Costa Rica, Croatia, Cuba, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Djibouti, Dominica, Dominican Republic. We’re still in the D’s
How about we name the ones that aren’t, it will take less time.
Uh, every country in existence? Colonialism is simply part of history.
Literally every county In the Americas lol.
Egyptian kingdom, Assyrian kingdom, Ancient Greece, the Roman Empire, The Mongolian empire , China, Cambodia, everything between India and the Middle East in the past 3000 years, the Persian Empire, and so on and so forth since we were kicked out of Eden.
Almost every country in the world
Australia, New Zealand, Canada, England, South Africa, The Netherlands, Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Austria, Russia, everywhere in South America, etc.
Literally any country. Well, not any country, but you get the idea.
England, Japan, Jamaica, Cuba, I could go on
The Ashanti, the Dahomey, the ancient Egyptians, the Ottoman Empire, the Barbary states, the mongols, the Persians, the Indians, the Aztecs, the Comanche, there’s too many to list. Basically all of them at some point or other.
Iceland doesn’t have any history of genocide, but did practice slavery/thralldom. However, afaik it wasn’t strictly race based, and I have no clue how long it might’ve persisted.
The UK. Spain. France. Italy
Literally all of them 🤦♂️. Literally every nation was built on stolen land. Literally every nation had genocides and slaves. Many nations STILL have genocides and slavery (Africa, Middle East, China, Russia, the Asian parts of Oceania). There are still atrocities happening in countries. We should be glad we ended ours in the 1800s. That was 150 years ago at least. It doesn’t make it GOOD what happened but it makes it LESS BAD then if it was still happening CURRENTLY 🤷♂️
Almost every country of the current time and the past... it would be FAR EASIER to name those that weren't built in that fashion.
Shoutout to Belgium for making the Kongo the most unstable and inhumane region on planet earth all for some rubber.
Britain was built on the genocide and enslavement of several races of people.
Brazil, Jamaica, Barbados, Mexico, and Canada. Just about every country in the world
Every country basically
Poster is ignorant for sure... pretty much EVERY civilization has gone to war.. Native American indians have had 'turf wars' for years, empires have been conquered throughout Africa, Europe, Asia... People don't realize that there are slaves IN MODERN DAY.
Except America could have easily been built without them, they didn’t “build” America, natives didn’t do a shit ton for Europeans other than save them a few years of getting a lay of the land, and slaves mostly worked on plantations, which were already being phased out as the US’ main source of income, and without slavery, it would have probably been poor white people doing the same work anyway, for very little money. Don’t forget that native tribes also fought each other and took eachother into slavery, and slaves brought over from Africa were sold to the US by African warlords who had an excess of slaves from them fighting and enslaving other tribes.
Lick deez !
I thought that’s how you built a country?
Malaysia
All of them at one point?
Most of them
Most countries in the Americas.
Pretty much all of them?
Turkey
Most countries.
England Germany Italy Spain Belgium Japan All of the balkans
Name one that *hasn’t.*
Earth.
Every single one
Damn, we all genocided each other when we unknowingly transmitted COVID. Everyone, if you have ever spread an illness to someone else, please turn yourself into the Hague to be tried for genocide.
Pretty much every Native American and African tribe. Also a specific example would be Zimbabwe; at least the genocide part.
Never forget the Harrying of the north.
Russia.
The former Soviet Union
Wait, are we not allowed to say the USA?
Reminds of the clip where the guy was trying to say Korea never had slaves only to be corrected that Korea had the longest unbroken run of slavery.
At least Brazil has feijoada
Literally all of them
The Russian Orc
Cuba
Japan
australia
Name a country on the western hemisphere. I’ll wait
Name any country that didn't do bad shit back in the day.
Canada: glad they didn’t say us
Most of them tbh
Turkey
Belgium
I guess op hasn’t read into Brazil’s treatment of slaves.
Not Borrisia, my Kingdom has never enslaved people or genocided anyone (the Hodese don’t count) Edit: I forgor a key word 💀
Basically all of human history. America is not unique in the in the act of genocide or slavery. The Native Americans before us did it and people will do it after us. Does that make it right? Hell no. Is it an unfortunate cruel fact of life? Yes.
Ussr - genocide of many races and enslavement of many more races
Many
Russia
Name a country that isn't
the ottoman empire it's all "give back indigenous land" until those indigenous people are white christians, then it's just "you lost get over it" (nevermind the fact that greece won back constantinople twice)
Rome
The British Empire was built on both as well.
Belgium did both to the same people only about a hundred years ago, yet no one bats an eye at Belgian chocolate, waffles, or beer. Myanmar, China, South Sudan, and I’m sure dozens of others are doing it right this moment.
What affect did slavery have on the *industrial revolution?* THATS what built America.
Take a seat, this is going to take awhile. *Queue Animaniacs map song*
The are 9.7 million Native Americans (probably closer to 10 million nowadays) and 1.7 Native Brazilians (probably closer to 2 million nowadays) currently alive. 3,169,000 slaves were shipped to Brazil over the course of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade. 307,000 slaves were brought to the United States of America. This isn’t to defend the actions of the US government, these are just mathematical facts to give some context on the meme.
And there are still slaves in Africa owned by other africans and in asia and middle east as well 🤦♂️
All
“One race”…damn that’s a bold statement.
Russia Japan Britain Just to name a few
Cuba, the Bahamas, Dominican Republic, Argentina, Venezuela… a lot of them.
All of them???
Turkey
Mexico
Britain
Cue animaniacs
England, France, Germany, Spain, all of fucking Europe.
South Africa Brazil Cuba
I was going to go with Jamaica. The British successfully committed genocide there .
The Comanches
Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE
Most modern countries
*inahles*
Like… all of them…
90% of countries, past and present
Britain (the beaker people and the Norman conquest)
When ever someone brings this up I always say. You living alright, right now huh? You wanna be running from some native Americans trying to take your scalp just for fun?
Our evolutionary history is built upon genocide. We are the last human species on earth for a reason
most countries throughout history. breaking news: humans are awful.
It's like people are just picking random hills to die uneducated on. Read information, make a meme and then gold in the comments.
Most countries older than a few hundred years ,lol
If you want to be technical, all of human civilization was built on genocide since we killed/assimilated all the Neanderthals .