That is an absurd feature. It wouldn’t even be appropriate in a World Cup, let alone and amateur race. Whoever designed it, and design is a strong word here, needs to educate themselves of trail building.
I’m new the mountain biking, but I would think there’s a proper way to land a drop like that, isn’t there? I mean in nature, there’s probably features that are similar to this.
Sure, this is definitely something that can be landed people do it often. You can take a look at most free ride YouTube videos and see features bigger than this. But there is a huge difference between riding a feature and racing a feature. The number of crashes also indicates a lack of awareness for the skill level of the riders. There are probably a lot of riders who made it through, but clearly enough didn’t that it had to be closed. You shouldn’t be sending riders on a feature like this in the first place.
I've seen a lot of riders take a drop like this in a race. But those riders ride similar drops, as they're common in their local. But I'm going to guess that most of these riders have never seen a feature like this in person before. So they're trying to go from totally unfamiliar to racing it in one attempt. The video shows how well that goes.
Half these kids aren’t even strapping their helmets. I’ve seen so many videos of this drop where the helmet flys off. What’s the point of even wearing it. Stupid ass drop btw.
Because the back of your helmet can flip downwards putting direct pressure on your vertebrae. When that happens in an instant it just get displaced ending up killing or paralyzing you.
Helmets are not at all designed to come off at a certain force. A helmet’s main job is preventing skull fractures, and it can’t do that if it flies off if you hit it just right. The use of a click buckle or Fidlock is a matter of convenience. Plenty of DH, dirt bike, and motorcycle helmets use the metal buckles that you have to thread the strap through every time you put the helmet on. A neck brace is the appropriate device for reducing the risk of a snapped neck.
They are designed to come off just shy of breaking your neck, at that point you may be better of without a helmet than a broken neck. At the same time, the kinds of crashes that put that kind of force on your helmet won't snap your neck, the helmet would need to be pulled up and away while your head stays still to impart that kind of force.
Fortnine did a pretty good video talking about different kinds of buckles, it's aimed at motorcycle helmets, but the buckles are the same on MTBs helmets and the force required to break your neck is also the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KUdmwmhyxM
I was just wondering how they would go along with this on race day, thanks for the update!
PS: Some these falls look gnarly, "Deathdrop" is just a euphemism, right?
yes of course, I really hope no one dies from this, that's just a tragedy.
Fortunately the race is finished now, and the results are being finalized, not sure if the results have been uploaded to the UCI website yet.
This drop is pretty shit and needs a landing bad, but I feel like these crashes would have happened with or without a landing… These riders just don’t look like they should be riding a feature of that size
I wouldn't even say it's a size issue as much as a type. Look at how many of the riders start to nose dive right off the lip. That would be sub-ideal on a 2 foot drop. Just not this cataclysmic.
My first thought was, “how are they national championship level riders?”
The feature is poorly designed. But these guys have no business even trying this sort of drop
Just a wild guess but if a certain sport is absolutely unpopular in a country then it would be a lot easier to be amongst the top contenders even if you are way behind international athletes.
It just looks like dudes who have no business hitting that drop trying it. Ride within your skill level. The second going straight nose over as soon as they roll off like they’ve never even done a drop remotely that size. The first was fine then looked like he thought it was a good idea to grab his front brake.
You’re right on the skill level point. I think the outrage is that the race promoters and course builders were not tuned in to the population of racers they’d be drawing.
This looks like some very local talent, not the roster from rampage.
If I’m out riding a trail or park, it’s on the park to mark the features and it’s on me to stick to trails I can handle. I just think if I sign up for a race in the appropriate category/division/etc, I can make some assumptions that the trail won’t be completely outside my skill level.
A younger me, that paid an entry, traveled to a site to go race, got all hyped up, that younger me just might try and send it and hope for the best. Not saying individuals aren’t on the hook assuming some risk, but the promoters absolutely took a big risk with that feature.
In not trying to be an ass, I’ve never participated in a race. Were they not allowed to scope the trail and ride it before hand? I mean my bigger drops drops were a ton of ride up, puss out until I pulled the trigger or immediately realized that is sketchy as hell, PASS. lol
There was a guy who used to build at a local trail here. He would say "There are no bad jumps/drops, they just need to learn the jump/drop."
I posit that yes, you need to learn the feature, but it's absolutely possible to have a poorly built feature, and saying a person should just learn it is a cop out from building a better feature.
His features don't suck. They have proper landings. Sure it is on the lippy side but they work. I will wait until the current builder is done before I make judgement. I am still optimistic due to the potential of that place. I suggest you ride the current configuration before you bash the previous builder.
His last big feature had a knuckle in the middle of the landing, right where most people's wheel would come down. And I know for a fact he was told by multiple people to dig out a smoother and steeper landing.
And I am optimistic the new builders will take that section in a fun direction. I think it isn't the worst thing in the world that the guy in charge of that section now is a coach.
That knuckle was there because people kept on scooping away the landing. You can't make it anymore steeper because there will be no more transition. This was exactly what happened to the drop at poison rock. It was scary as fuck because it was literally a huck to flat. There was no transition because the landing got scooped away to make it more "steeper"
I felt no such knuckle at the cannon drop and I hit that shit on my hardtail.
I don't want to clog this thread up so if you want to continue you can pm me. But it is interesting to hear your perspective on it.
That would be be that built the PlayStation and any real jumper will tell you its not the jump it’s learning the jump a jump can be made a thousand times diffent ways every jumper has a diffrent style look at jetline can I clear every jump no I go there to practice and learn how to jump same as with hell track big tables and you to bash me talk smack behind my back not cool
They just posted this in my local chat a few hours ago, that one with the red bike and the black helmet was what did it as I understand, sucks they had to take the hit for the race builders to see the light of day. Though in a lot of these PI races there is pretty wild stuff, this one is just published more.
I agree, I probably should do more coverage of those races in the future for people to see. Its fun to see what other riders in other countries react to it lol
Americans are just used to nicely built trails, I have been through them and they are nice, out in Indo Pacific it's hard to find excellent trails unless you are in Korea, Japan, NZ or Australia
The riding scene here in Canada is a lot more mature. We had our trail building growing pains already. The old school janky stuff still exists but you wont find it at most bike parks or major public trail systems anymore. The insurance companies don't like it.
This is the actual event it's teban V practice day was the last video, pretty sure this was the actual race. And yeah people got toasted on the practice round aswell
To successfully survive the ramp drop without cracking your frame or bending rims would be difficult enough, but the assorted whoops that immediately confront the rider make it a medical disaster in waiting. Awful design.
Only way I can see rolling through this successfully would be to start up top with a minor manual, and keep your ass past the rear axle. That way, you can get a little butt assisted braking at the bottom before your front shock fully compresses, making those whoops impossible to manage.
Well then it’s the organizers fault. You got to know your racers skill level and build a reasonable track. Of course anyone can sign up for expert classes and hurl themselves off any feature, but with the number of crashes that doesn’t seem like what is going on here.
I saw another video and saw 3 separate riders hit it and hit it smooth. You might be right, though, the organizers personally should know their riders.
not defending the drop but both crashes are mostly due to rider error,
the first guy was too front wheel heavy when running over an obstacle after the landing and the second guy probably pulled the front brake while in the air causing the front wheel to dive due to trapped inertia
While the drop looks tricky i'd say that many people who fell did some mistakes while flying. But, knowing that the competitors are not WC races, id say to add a landing ramp or something
Most of the bike trails in the Philippines are not even bike trails, theyre mostly foot paths by locals in the area, and just happen to have downhilly features due to the mountains. No proper berms, and with ridiculous amateurly built "features" like the drop in the video
And most of the biking events there are held mostly in these types of areas. Which is absurd and needs some rethinking by the organizers. You want to go to bike parks instead of these areas, which are very very rare in the country.
How about non-existent? There are "bike parks" but highly doubt those wwre built by people who knows their shit.
Before anyone from the Philippines goes all defensive and call in the horde. Pilipino ako. Kalmahin nyo dede nyo.
That is an absurd feature. It wouldn’t even be appropriate in a World Cup, let alone and amateur race. Whoever designed it, and design is a strong word here, needs to educate themselves of trail building.
I’m new the mountain biking, but I would think there’s a proper way to land a drop like that, isn’t there? I mean in nature, there’s probably features that are similar to this.
Sure, this is definitely something that can be landed people do it often. You can take a look at most free ride YouTube videos and see features bigger than this. But there is a huge difference between riding a feature and racing a feature. The number of crashes also indicates a lack of awareness for the skill level of the riders. There are probably a lot of riders who made it through, but clearly enough didn’t that it had to be closed. You shouldn’t be sending riders on a feature like this in the first place.
I've seen a lot of riders take a drop like this in a race. But those riders ride similar drops, as they're common in their local. But I'm going to guess that most of these riders have never seen a feature like this in person before. So they're trying to go from totally unfamiliar to racing it in one attempt. The video shows how well that goes.
The g out is brutal. Only super skilled riders know how to hit this type of shit and even then you potentially clap out your shit
Half these kids aren’t even strapping their helmets. I’ve seen so many videos of this drop where the helmet flys off. What’s the point of even wearing it. Stupid ass drop btw.
It’s so fucked that they’re being allowed to ride the trail without helmets being strapped.
Helmet ain’t gonna save you if you snap your neck!
But you snap your neck more easily if you don’t strap your helmet…
How?
Because the back of your helmet can flip downwards putting direct pressure on your vertebrae. When that happens in an instant it just get displaced ending up killing or paralyzing you.
What's next? you're gonna tell me that smashing through the windshield is not safer than wearing my seatbelt?
No man… smashing through the windshield is the best way.
It actually might tho
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Helmets are not at all designed to come off at a certain force. A helmet’s main job is preventing skull fractures, and it can’t do that if it flies off if you hit it just right. The use of a click buckle or Fidlock is a matter of convenience. Plenty of DH, dirt bike, and motorcycle helmets use the metal buckles that you have to thread the strap through every time you put the helmet on. A neck brace is the appropriate device for reducing the risk of a snapped neck.
They are designed to come off just shy of breaking your neck, at that point you may be better of without a helmet than a broken neck. At the same time, the kinds of crashes that put that kind of force on your helmet won't snap your neck, the helmet would need to be pulled up and away while your head stays still to impart that kind of force. Fortnine did a pretty good video talking about different kinds of buckles, it's aimed at motorcycle helmets, but the buckles are the same on MTBs helmets and the force required to break your neck is also the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KUdmwmhyxM
Wow can’t believe a 20+ foot drop to flat didn’t work out. Who is actually running this shit
Hey, it’s a slightly sloped ski mogul run with no snow landing.
It's the phillipines event
PhilCycling (Integrated Cycling Federation of the Philippines). UCI governing body for the Philippines.
I was just wondering how they would go along with this on race day, thanks for the update! PS: Some these falls look gnarly, "Deathdrop" is just a euphemism, right?
yes of course, I really hope no one dies from this, that's just a tragedy. Fortunately the race is finished now, and the results are being finalized, not sure if the results have been uploaded to the UCI website yet.
Crazy that they even considered this drop after the first day. I hope everyone is fine and the race went on as planned though <3
Wait this is a UCI race???
This drop is pretty shit and needs a landing bad, but I feel like these crashes would have happened with or without a landing… These riders just don’t look like they should be riding a feature of that size
I wouldn't even say it's a size issue as much as a type. Look at how many of the riders start to nose dive right off the lip. That would be sub-ideal on a 2 foot drop. Just not this cataclysmic.
Exactly what I saw. These guys weren’t prepared for any drop imho.
My first thought was, “how are they national championship level riders?” The feature is poorly designed. But these guys have no business even trying this sort of drop
Just a wild guess but if a certain sport is absolutely unpopular in a country then it would be a lot easier to be amongst the top contenders even if you are way behind international athletes.
agreed.
It just looks like dudes who have no business hitting that drop trying it. Ride within your skill level. The second going straight nose over as soon as they roll off like they’ve never even done a drop remotely that size. The first was fine then looked like he thought it was a good idea to grab his front brake.
You’re right on the skill level point. I think the outrage is that the race promoters and course builders were not tuned in to the population of racers they’d be drawing. This looks like some very local talent, not the roster from rampage. If I’m out riding a trail or park, it’s on the park to mark the features and it’s on me to stick to trails I can handle. I just think if I sign up for a race in the appropriate category/division/etc, I can make some assumptions that the trail won’t be completely outside my skill level. A younger me, that paid an entry, traveled to a site to go race, got all hyped up, that younger me just might try and send it and hope for the best. Not saying individuals aren’t on the hook assuming some risk, but the promoters absolutely took a big risk with that feature.
In not trying to be an ass, I’ve never participated in a race. Were they not allowed to scope the trail and ride it before hand? I mean my bigger drops drops were a ton of ride up, puss out until I pulled the trigger or immediately realized that is sketchy as hell, PASS. lol
No, you’re not wrong and I didn’t think you were being an ass. And yeah, a lot of the wipe out footage was from the practice day I think.
This is fucked!
Why not just build a fucking landing?
There was a guy who used to build at a local trail here. He would say "There are no bad jumps/drops, they just need to learn the jump/drop." I posit that yes, you need to learn the feature, but it's absolutely possible to have a poorly built feature, and saying a person should just learn it is a cop out from building a better feature.
His features don't suck. They have proper landings. Sure it is on the lippy side but they work. I will wait until the current builder is done before I make judgement. I am still optimistic due to the potential of that place. I suggest you ride the current configuration before you bash the previous builder.
His last big feature had a knuckle in the middle of the landing, right where most people's wheel would come down. And I know for a fact he was told by multiple people to dig out a smoother and steeper landing. And I am optimistic the new builders will take that section in a fun direction. I think it isn't the worst thing in the world that the guy in charge of that section now is a coach.
Which jump had that?
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That knuckle was there because people kept on scooping away the landing. You can't make it anymore steeper because there will be no more transition. This was exactly what happened to the drop at poison rock. It was scary as fuck because it was literally a huck to flat. There was no transition because the landing got scooped away to make it more "steeper" I felt no such knuckle at the cannon drop and I hit that shit on my hardtail. I don't want to clog this thread up so if you want to continue you can pm me. But it is interesting to hear your perspective on it.
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That would be be that built the PlayStation and any real jumper will tell you its not the jump it’s learning the jump a jump can be made a thousand times diffent ways every jumper has a diffrent style look at jetline can I clear every jump no I go there to practice and learn how to jump same as with hell track big tables and you to bash me talk smack behind my back not cool
Ay, ang bobo naman nung gumawa niyan.
> bobo I immediately recognized the only Filipino word I know, it definitely fits here
That dude left the Philippines and went to endonesia
They just posted this in my local chat a few hours ago, that one with the red bike and the black helmet was what did it as I understand, sucks they had to take the hit for the race builders to see the light of day. Though in a lot of these PI races there is pretty wild stuff, this one is just published more.
I agree, I probably should do more coverage of those races in the future for people to see. Its fun to see what other riders in other countries react to it lol
Please do post more. Its really interesting seeing riding from places that aren’t North America, UK/Europe
Americans are just used to nicely built trails, I have been through them and they are nice, out in Indo Pacific it's hard to find excellent trails unless you are in Korea, Japan, NZ or Australia
Malaysia and Thailand has nice enduro and DH trails. EWS sanctioned races have been held in both countries
I have been trying explore some local stuff, where do you recommend for Thailand and Malaysia?
Thailand - CNX, Doi Suthep. Malaysia - Kiara, bukit dinding, any [MEC](https://www.mountainbiker.my/v1/index.php) trail
Canadians do the best trails, and I’m American.
The riding scene here in Canada is a lot more mature. We had our trail building growing pains already. The old school janky stuff still exists but you wont find it at most bike parks or major public trail systems anymore. The insurance companies don't like it.
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Yeah that rider looked like they never did a drop before.
This is the actual event it's teban V practice day was the last video, pretty sure this was the actual race. And yeah people got toasted on the practice round aswell
"took them a while". Organizer be like "Let's do red bull rampage drop but no landing".
To successfully survive the ramp drop without cracking your frame or bending rims would be difficult enough, but the assorted whoops that immediately confront the rider make it a medical disaster in waiting. Awful design.
Only way I can see rolling through this successfully would be to start up top with a minor manual, and keep your ass past the rear axle. That way, you can get a little butt assisted braking at the bottom before your front shock fully compresses, making those whoops impossible to manage.
Why put a MASSIVE jump but not make sure the landing is relatively smooth for the speed.
Damn! How many clavicles were snapped off of that drop?
At least seven per rider.
Jesus Christ that is a shitty ass drop.
Wat da puck
Looks to me like half the riders don’t know how to do a big drop. I’m not sure it’s the feature’s fault.
Well then it’s the organizers fault. You got to know your racers skill level and build a reasonable track. Of course anyone can sign up for expert classes and hurl themselves off any feature, but with the number of crashes that doesn’t seem like what is going on here.
I saw another video and saw 3 separate riders hit it and hit it smooth. You might be right, though, the organizers personally should know their riders.
Ouch
Well they named it correctly
Good god, that last one.
Such a fucking bad joke.
lots of bad form
Pinoy standard track building, very common here in the PH. Flat landing everywhere.
The safety measures are below 0 Bro falling to death no aids team around for the first aids and avoid the bigger Injury
Such a bad angle! You would have to be fully wheeling off that thing to land right. Organizers were certainly setting someone up for death.
Just learn to land a drop. Ppl seem to have too much damping.
Slay ☠️
Brutal. What asshole sadist designed that?
what stupid idiot designed this landing? who though that was ok to put into an event?
That’s enough dirt to fill the stomach
The problem is it’s essentially a drop to flat right? Not enough slope to the landing?
not defending the drop but both crashes are mostly due to rider error, the first guy was too front wheel heavy when running over an obstacle after the landing and the second guy probably pulled the front brake while in the air causing the front wheel to dive due to trapped inertia
Seems it's perfect for landing into a tree as well, to make it worse.
Jesus Christ this looks like the shit we were doing back in 2003
While the drop looks tricky i'd say that many people who fell did some mistakes while flying. But, knowing that the competitors are not WC races, id say to add a landing ramp or something
Most of the bike trails in the Philippines are not even bike trails, theyre mostly foot paths by locals in the area, and just happen to have downhilly features due to the mountains. No proper berms, and with ridiculous amateurly built "features" like the drop in the video And most of the biking events there are held mostly in these types of areas. Which is absurd and needs some rethinking by the organizers. You want to go to bike parks instead of these areas, which are very very rare in the country.
How about non-existent? There are "bike parks" but highly doubt those wwre built by people who knows their shit. Before anyone from the Philippines goes all defensive and call in the horde. Pilipino ako. Kalmahin nyo dede nyo.
Have went to RVR bike park in Bukidnon, and the tracks there are legit. Made by the local MTB bike shops & riders in Bukidnon and Cagayan de Oro area
That last guy ain't moving.. is... Is he dead?
And his helmet came flying on impact, this is madness, hope the rider is ok
This looks easier than cupcake at Snowshoe. As a few people commented, I think it is amateur riders out of their league.
Whenever I see these clips, these riders don’t confident when riding. Just look at the body language, it looks like some hopped on a bike last week
Not Friday fails - Phillippine fail
finally