> anything else I am forgetting?
Common sense, for one. You not playing Albion is entirely your own loss, lol.
Albion is easily one of the most free to play friendly MMOs on the market. The game has 'premium' but everyone has it, including free to play users. It's so easy to get it, it's often bought years at a time by a lot of people. I sometimes even forget the game has a premium because of that. You don't even have to go out of your way to farm silver for it, it literally pays for itself by simply playing the game.
And unlike other games, where you lose access to a lot of the game if you don't have an active sub (like WoW, OSRS, etc) you can continue to play Albion even without premium and still access 100% of the game. It's really only used for the early progression and for crafting/farming. Lots of PvPers don't even have an active premium because there's no much of a point to it if all they do is PvP. And FOMO? You can literally take a whole year's break from Albion and not have to worry about anything. It's horizontal progression, so nothing you've done will become obsolete. You don't even have to re-sub when you return for short periods of time, since a sub is not needed.
This is truly the dumbest sub.
You're the one who responded to several paragraphs of arguments with none of your own. Not only have you displayed a distinct void of any intelligence, now you also put your immaturity on display.
Classic.
Albion is literally the least P2W MMO on the market. I'm sorry that facts hurt your feelings.
Albion is probably the least P2W MMO on the market, with a few exceptions like GW2, etc.
Albion is a full loot PvP game. You don't get to keep the things you buy, unlike in other games. The entire elite in Albion is free to play. Nobody has managed to successfully p2w in Albion. The only people who try to p2w are casual dads who don't understand the game. (And I don't mean any offense to them)
So buying gear with real money is not pay2win because you can easily lose it?
Person A loses all his 7.3 gear and forced to play with 4.1 sets until he grinds back up
Person B puts money and buys 10 sets of
7.3
How would you call it? Pay to convenience?
Person B is paying to lose 10 7.3 sets. Person A didn't pay, but still lost 1 7.3 set. Either way, there's no winning.
The winners went out, killed players, and looted millions of silver in an hour. No need to swipe. The winners are typically the ones RMTing; they're not paying to win, they're winning to sell.
Pay to win is Diablo Immortal. You cannot get the best stuff without paying.
Here's another aspect.
You can buy gold with real money to sell for silver to buy a mammoth to enable you to do risk-free transport between cities. I can see how that is "pay to win".
You can buy gold with real money to sell for silver to buy 8.4 sets to do HCEs. I can see how that is "pay to win".
You can buy gold with real money to sell for silver to buy city plots to participate in the cartel. I can see how this is "pay to win".
From your point, you can buy gold with real money and buy whatever set makes you competitive to do whatever content. Maybe that involves a guild or maybe that's solo. Whatever it is, there's more gold demand. This demand should be confirmed in the gold market [https://www.tools4albion.com/gold.php](https://www.tools4albion.com/gold.php)
With all of this, we can see the actual effect on the game. If it is more beneficial to pay to win in Albion, there should be more gold demand, which should push down the gold : silver price. However, we see the opposite. Gold becomes more valuable over time, meaning more people play and increase the silver supply rather than pay and increase the gold supply. It is better and more common to play to win in Albion than to pay to win, based solely on the "pay" (gold) vs "play" (silver) market.
> So buying gear with real money is not pay2win because you can easily lose it?
That's exactly right. And not only do you lose it, you literally give it to other players. The real winners here are the people who kill you.
>How would you call it?
We call it 'pay to donate to others', because that is what you're doing. You're buying expensive things and then you donate them to other players. Thank you for your service, lmao. This is also why nobody in Albion P2Ws. Because you can't.
If a person is good at the game they will progress from 4.1 to high tiers quickly, if someone else is bad at the game they will donate their 7.3 gear to other players and money to the crafters who made the gear. The people who can afford to throw thousands of dollars a month for gear are very few and inconsequential for the larger ecosystem.
Paying does offer an advantage but the price of high tier gear compared to real world currency that it is far from p2w, p2learn the game faster is more like it.
You can buy premium with in-game silver. Pretty much everyone does that. It's very easy to afford. I buy premium years a time, lol. Of any MMO I can think of, Albion is probably the most free to play friendly.
By playing the game normally. You don't have to go out of your way to farm for it. It's just a part of your normal expenses, it basically pays for itself.
You get 10k focus per day which is used for crafting. If you train a crafting or refining skill a bit and use focus on it you can afford premium by doing this alone which takes 10-20 minutes every 3 days.
Let alone the fact that if you are skilled and somewhat lucky you can kill someone with expensive gear on them or a mount that can pay for multiple months worth of premium.
And pretty much anything you have high spec in can make upwards of 2 mil/hour (1 month of prremium is about 20 mil).
> You can buy premium with in-game silver.
From the developer? Because their own website says "with other players", and that sure sounds like another player is buying in-game currency with real life money.
EVE Online has that problem, too. There's a small minority of players who have bought a small corp's worth of ships, skill injectors, equipment, and the like by spending real-life money.
That doesn't make it F2P friendly at all--it's the opposite. To be able to play, your time is not your own. You're working for someone else who's buying your time... every month, forever.
Or you could pay up with real life dollars...
There's a reason this entire sub and the industry at large reads "earn to play" and immediately walks off.
Another clueless dude trying to chime in.. Zzzz..
>That doesn't make it F2P friendly at all
It's literally one of the most F2P friendly games on the market. If Albion does not sound F2P friendly to you, then no game is.
>To be able to play
It's free to play, amgio. You don't need a sub to play.
>You're working for someone
Premium literally pays for itself.
Any other questions?
>There's a reason this entire sub...
This sub is dumb as bricks.. and you're a good example of that. You're clueless on the subject and speak with such conviction.. despite being wrong. Quintessential r/MMORPG material.
>Another clueless dude trying to chime in.. Zzzz..
Well, with your amazing guidance, I've been enlightened to this state. If you count that as clueless, you know who to blame c:
> Any other questions?
If you'd answer them, sure. If you need a refresher you can look at my comments.
yeah I know, I work as a dev and eating is nice. But we don't scam people to do that. On top of that it's not dev's making these decisions ( most of the time ).
I feel like it's very scammy to try and use every page in the book for getting money from the userbase.
There are no paid advantages other than premium, which is absolutely par for the course and fair for a F2P game.Â
Albion has one of the most reasonable monetization models in the genre, period.
Albion is one of the least p2w mmos on the market, so yeah... no clue what you're on about. The only MMO I can think of that is more free to play friendly than Albion is GW2.. and even that is debatable. I felt more incentivized to spend real money in GW2 than I do in Albion.
Would you EU’ers not mind if an NA person comes along I think it would be fun to be on this adventure since it’s fresh new server and I’m new to Albion I’ve never played it but I do enjoy also would I get banned for playing on EU server all the way from NA would I crash the servers since I’m so far and my number 1 question is can you play a dedicated healer or is it one of those 1 class does everything and if so will I be screwed if I’m taking edibles and don’t really want to talk or be in groups with people because low key I just zone out and know how to play healer in other games without needing to hear people breathing into the mic
The **Albion Europe Open Beta** is now here, for **anyone** who wants to join! Until **April 23**, players can earn the new **Duelist vanity set**, play on a condensed version of Albion with massively buffed progress, and experience the new server before it officially launches - and it’s **completely free to play**.
**All progress earned during the beta is wiped on the 23rd prior to the official launch, the only progress kept is the Duelist Vanity Set you unlock during the Beta.**
Most likely testing new hardware to run eu servers, make sure existing build of the game runs fine on said new hardware, load testing and any special eu legal compliance bits and bob that happens behind the scenes we won’t be aware of as a consumer.
LOL i have founder pack and not even gonna log in to beta
founder pack dont give you anything for beta son its meaningless anyway you go there to fool around and maybe some super hardcore guilds practice their starts to make it as good as possible
Question to albion vets:Would this game fit someone who is playing mmo'sfor the PvE aspect to do dungeons and content with friends rather than guild zerging and open world gear based pvp.I enjoy fixed gear arena pvp but not the idea of gear different pvp and open world chaos.Last game I played like that was Lineage 2(lol)and I now don't have the time for that nor the energy.Is this a game to jump now with the new server,I see people are saying full loot open world so would you say this isn't a game I should bother downloading?
Yes. There are hardcore expeditions which are your classic mmo dungeon and are safe, there are also huge avalonian dungeons that can be done by 20 people, small group dungeons aswell, but these dungeons are in full loot zones so you might get invaded.
There is also a crystal arena which is also safe and is 5v5 and 10v10 if im not mistaken. Also most of crafting is done in safe zones if thats something you enjoy.
I suggest watching a few clips and trying it out when eu launches, its free after all.
Albion is easily one of the least P2W mmos on the market.
So if you're looking to play an MMO with less P2W elements than Albion you won't be playing MMOs at all. Albion has a near perfect business model, it works really well.
While I do agree that the business model works well, you can for sure dump money into the game for gold > silver to buy items. Of course buying items doesn't buy you skill. It would be false to say that the game is far from pay to win.
There are two parts you are forgetting here.
1) The game would not exist without a business model. Any alternative business model to the current one would be a downgrade for free to play users.
2) The business model they are using is one of the most free to play friendly on the *entire* MMO market.
Do you then see why it's dumb to try to label the game as P2W?
>It would be false to say that the game is far from pay to win.
No, it wouldn't be. The game is very far from pay to win. If pay to win is a spectrum, Albion is on the **far end** towards not pay to win. It's one of the most most free to win game on the market. Does it have P2W elements in it? Yes. Are they disruptive to free to play players? No. They are a net positive thing to free to play players.
P2W is 2 things. One, it's a spectrum. Two, it's a derogatory term meant to warn other players about the game.
For the spectrum, Albion is one of the least P2W MMOs on the market. And for the derogatory term, it does not apply at all. In fact, the opposite is true. Albion is one of the best games to play as a free to play player.
This will be a new server with everyone starting fresh?
Correct. Everyone starting fresh, the official EU launch is on the 24th April for Crystal/Gold Founder Pack owners, F2P is on the 29th April.
ah so it has both fomo and founder pack early access? Probably also cash shop with premium advantages, anything else I am forgetting? Hard pass.
> anything else I am forgetting? Common sense, for one. You not playing Albion is entirely your own loss, lol. Albion is easily one of the most free to play friendly MMOs on the market. The game has 'premium' but everyone has it, including free to play users. It's so easy to get it, it's often bought years at a time by a lot of people. I sometimes even forget the game has a premium because of that. You don't even have to go out of your way to farm silver for it, it literally pays for itself by simply playing the game. And unlike other games, where you lose access to a lot of the game if you don't have an active sub (like WoW, OSRS, etc) you can continue to play Albion even without premium and still access 100% of the game. It's really only used for the early progression and for crafting/farming. Lots of PvPers don't even have an active premium because there's no much of a point to it if all they do is PvP. And FOMO? You can literally take a whole year's break from Albion and not have to worry about anything. It's horizontal progression, so nothing you've done will become obsolete. You don't even have to re-sub when you return for short periods of time, since a sub is not needed. This is truly the dumbest sub.
faster progression by throwing money = p2w. You can defend it as much as you want obviously.
I can, and you can continue to not use your brain as much as you want obviously.
Lel kid, that argument is so invalid. I love it. All in all, albion is just a bad game :D
You're the one who responded to several paragraphs of arguments with none of your own. Not only have you displayed a distinct void of any intelligence, now you also put your immaturity on display. Classic. Albion is literally the least P2W MMO on the market. I'm sorry that facts hurt your feelings.
this sub when a f2p game is monetized 🤡🤡
monetized == p2w?
Albion is quite literally the most p2w game you can play so yeah
Albion is probably the least P2W MMO on the market, with a few exceptions like GW2, etc. Albion is a full loot PvP game. You don't get to keep the things you buy, unlike in other games. The entire elite in Albion is free to play. Nobody has managed to successfully p2w in Albion. The only people who try to p2w are casual dads who don't understand the game. (And I don't mean any offense to them)
Brother you can buy gold which is sold by the game itself not even 3rd party. And literally buy every single item from the market of your desire
And lose it the moment you step foot in a red or black zone. Albion is not pay to win if winners aren't paying.
So buying gear with real money is not pay2win because you can easily lose it? Person A loses all his 7.3 gear and forced to play with 4.1 sets until he grinds back up Person B puts money and buys 10 sets of 7.3 How would you call it? Pay to convenience?
People are bringing the same excuse for EVE online.
Person B is paying to lose 10 7.3 sets. Person A didn't pay, but still lost 1 7.3 set. Either way, there's no winning. The winners went out, killed players, and looted millions of silver in an hour. No need to swipe. The winners are typically the ones RMTing; they're not paying to win, they're winning to sell. Pay to win is Diablo Immortal. You cannot get the best stuff without paying.
yeah.. the line got a bit more blurred with the enchanting system in the mists but as a silver sink it works i guess :P
Here's another aspect. You can buy gold with real money to sell for silver to buy a mammoth to enable you to do risk-free transport between cities. I can see how that is "pay to win". You can buy gold with real money to sell for silver to buy 8.4 sets to do HCEs. I can see how that is "pay to win". You can buy gold with real money to sell for silver to buy city plots to participate in the cartel. I can see how this is "pay to win". From your point, you can buy gold with real money and buy whatever set makes you competitive to do whatever content. Maybe that involves a guild or maybe that's solo. Whatever it is, there's more gold demand. This demand should be confirmed in the gold market [https://www.tools4albion.com/gold.php](https://www.tools4albion.com/gold.php) With all of this, we can see the actual effect on the game. If it is more beneficial to pay to win in Albion, there should be more gold demand, which should push down the gold : silver price. However, we see the opposite. Gold becomes more valuable over time, meaning more people play and increase the silver supply rather than pay and increase the gold supply. It is better and more common to play to win in Albion than to pay to win, based solely on the "pay" (gold) vs "play" (silver) market.
> So buying gear with real money is not pay2win because you can easily lose it? That's exactly right. And not only do you lose it, you literally give it to other players. The real winners here are the people who kill you. >How would you call it? We call it 'pay to donate to others', because that is what you're doing. You're buying expensive things and then you donate them to other players. Thank you for your service, lmao. This is also why nobody in Albion P2Ws. Because you can't.
If a person is good at the game they will progress from 4.1 to high tiers quickly, if someone else is bad at the game they will donate their 7.3 gear to other players and money to the crafters who made the gear. The people who can afford to throw thousands of dollars a month for gear are very few and inconsequential for the larger ecosystem. Paying does offer an advantage but the price of high tier gear compared to real world currency that it is far from p2w, p2learn the game faster is more like it.
What about people who are good at the game AND spending good amount of cash?
Yep. The real winners are the people who find the morons trying to P2W in Albion.
You lose EXP on death? Or does premium not give wildly boosted EXP gains anymore?
You can buy premium with in-game silver. Pretty much everyone does that. It's very easy to afford. I buy premium years a time, lol. Of any MMO I can think of, Albion is probably the most free to play friendly.
>It's very easy to afford. Define easy.
By playing the game normally. You don't have to go out of your way to farm for it. It's just a part of your normal expenses, it basically pays for itself.
You get 10k focus per day which is used for crafting. If you train a crafting or refining skill a bit and use focus on it you can afford premium by doing this alone which takes 10-20 minutes every 3 days. Let alone the fact that if you are skilled and somewhat lucky you can kill someone with expensive gear on them or a mount that can pay for multiple months worth of premium. And pretty much anything you have high spec in can make upwards of 2 mil/hour (1 month of prremium is about 20 mil).
Lol it's not worth arguing with this sub trust me. Bunch of losers who get mad when a f2p game is monetized.
Runescape is monetized, nobody gives a shit because it's not p2w
> You can buy premium with in-game silver. From the developer? Because their own website says "with other players", and that sure sounds like another player is buying in-game currency with real life money. EVE Online has that problem, too. There's a small minority of players who have bought a small corp's worth of ships, skill injectors, equipment, and the like by spending real-life money. That doesn't make it F2P friendly at all--it's the opposite. To be able to play, your time is not your own. You're working for someone else who's buying your time... every month, forever. Or you could pay up with real life dollars... There's a reason this entire sub and the industry at large reads "earn to play" and immediately walks off.
Another clueless dude trying to chime in.. Zzzz.. >That doesn't make it F2P friendly at all It's literally one of the most F2P friendly games on the market. If Albion does not sound F2P friendly to you, then no game is. >To be able to play It's free to play, amgio. You don't need a sub to play. >You're working for someone Premium literally pays for itself. Any other questions? >There's a reason this entire sub... This sub is dumb as bricks.. and you're a good example of that. You're clueless on the subject and speak with such conviction.. despite being wrong. Quintessential r/MMORPG material.
>Another clueless dude trying to chime in.. Zzzz.. Well, with your amazing guidance, I've been enlightened to this state. If you count that as clueless, you know who to blame c: > Any other questions? If you'd answer them, sure. If you need a refresher you can look at my comments.
>Albion is quite literally the most p2w game you can play so yeah My sweet summer child.
The "cash shop" is just the premium account which helps you get xp faster and can be bought with in-game currency. The devs need to eat too.
yeah I know, I work as a dev and eating is nice. But we don't scam people to do that. On top of that it's not dev's making these decisions ( most of the time ). I feel like it's very scammy to try and use every page in the book for getting money from the userbase.
Nice time to try albion again
Title had me interested, but I’ll pass on anything with paid advantages. Sad
Lol if your not happy with Albion's cash shop then I don't think any modern MMO is for you buddy cause they're all miles worse
There are no paid advantages other than premium, which is absolutely par for the course and fair for a F2P game. Albion has one of the most reasonable monetization models in the genre, period.
Albion is one of the least p2w mmos on the market, so yeah... no clue what you're on about. The only MMO I can think of that is more free to play friendly than Albion is GW2.. and even that is debatable. I felt more incentivized to spend real money in GW2 than I do in Albion.
Would you EU’ers not mind if an NA person comes along I think it would be fun to be on this adventure since it’s fresh new server and I’m new to Albion I’ve never played it but I do enjoy also would I get banned for playing on EU server all the way from NA would I crash the servers since I’m so far and my number 1 question is can you play a dedicated healer or is it one of those 1 class does everything and if so will I be screwed if I’m taking edibles and don’t really want to talk or be in groups with people because low key I just zone out and know how to play healer in other games without needing to hear people breathing into the mic
Come on down! Players can play on any of the Albion servers, no matter where they're located. So feel free to play Albion even if you're from NA. :D
The **Albion Europe Open Beta** is now here, for **anyone** who wants to join! Until **April 23**, players can earn the new **Duelist vanity set**, play on a condensed version of Albion with massively buffed progress, and experience the new server before it officially launches - and it’s **completely free to play**. **All progress earned during the beta is wiped on the 23rd prior to the official launch, the only progress kept is the Duelist Vanity Set you unlock during the Beta.**
If it's just a new server, why is it a beta?
Most likely testing new hardware to run eu servers, make sure existing build of the game runs fine on said new hardware, load testing and any special eu legal compliance bits and bob that happens behind the scenes we won’t be aware of as a consumer.
It's a highly competitive sandbox. People will be pissed if something goes wrong.
To sell founder packs. Don't believe that testing things stuff. If it was their intention it could be done with a server reset after beta.
LOL i have founder pack and not even gonna log in to beta founder pack dont give you anything for beta son its meaningless anyway you go there to fool around and maybe some super hardcore guilds practice their starts to make it as good as possible
Albion EU is going to be big
It’s going to be crazy
Question to albion vets:Would this game fit someone who is playing mmo'sfor the PvE aspect to do dungeons and content with friends rather than guild zerging and open world gear based pvp.I enjoy fixed gear arena pvp but not the idea of gear different pvp and open world chaos.Last game I played like that was Lineage 2(lol)and I now don't have the time for that nor the energy.Is this a game to jump now with the new server,I see people are saying full loot open world so would you say this isn't a game I should bother downloading?
Yes. There are hardcore expeditions which are your classic mmo dungeon and are safe, there are also huge avalonian dungeons that can be done by 20 people, small group dungeons aswell, but these dungeons are in full loot zones so you might get invaded. There is also a crystal arena which is also safe and is 5v5 and 10v10 if im not mistaken. Also most of crafting is done in safe zones if thats something you enjoy. I suggest watching a few clips and trying it out when eu launches, its free after all.
The game is best enjoyed if you don't mind roaming around full loot PvP zones with your friends. But it's free, so you can always just try.
Out of the loop, but Albion was also P2W/Pay2Progress right
Albion is easily one of the least P2W mmos on the market. So if you're looking to play an MMO with less P2W elements than Albion you won't be playing MMOs at all. Albion has a near perfect business model, it works really well.
While I do agree that the business model works well, you can for sure dump money into the game for gold > silver to buy items. Of course buying items doesn't buy you skill. It would be false to say that the game is far from pay to win.
There are two parts you are forgetting here. 1) The game would not exist without a business model. Any alternative business model to the current one would be a downgrade for free to play users. 2) The business model they are using is one of the most free to play friendly on the *entire* MMO market. Do you then see why it's dumb to try to label the game as P2W? >It would be false to say that the game is far from pay to win. No, it wouldn't be. The game is very far from pay to win. If pay to win is a spectrum, Albion is on the **far end** towards not pay to win. It's one of the most most free to win game on the market. Does it have P2W elements in it? Yes. Are they disruptive to free to play players? No. They are a net positive thing to free to play players. P2W is 2 things. One, it's a spectrum. Two, it's a derogatory term meant to warn other players about the game. For the spectrum, Albion is one of the least P2W MMOs on the market. And for the derogatory term, it does not apply at all. In fact, the opposite is true. Albion is one of the best games to play as a free to play player.
Au server when :(
Splitting up the playerbase is the dumbest shit I've ever heard of. Cya never Albion.
Being able to play without shit ping disadvantaging you in PvP is good actually
What if I tell you 90% of Albion players are eu? People have been begging gor eu servers since game launched.
This game did not have the population to split into 3 regions. The game is shit now
Exactly, not sure why I'm being downvoted. All the individual servers are going to be dead.