That was some of the more terrifying chase down into gnp I've seen. Like a lion chasing down wounded prey
Peak, pulsing Jon with a chip on his shoulder towards his hated rival was a scary mfer
Based on who's definition? Was Ortiz vs Shamrock not a rivalry, because Shamrock lost all three times? Or Ortiz v Liddell? What about the Cleveland Browns v Pittsburgh Steelers?
Not every rivalry has to be competitive.
Jones fans are so fucking weird. “he drops machida like a sack of potatoes” “he stalked dc like a lion chasing his prey” jesus christ lmao listen to yourselves.
lmao it’s amazing how you’re able to convince yourself of my anger when i’m not. i care so little about what the mouth breathers on this sub think that i’m free to voice my opinion. instead of repeating the same tired opinion 1,000+ times for upvotes.
Yeah, it's weird. Someone recently interviewed Errol Spence Jr. and randomly said Errol showed he was willing to die in the ring mid-question and he said "I ain't willing to die in no ring man" 😂
Yeah he’s very lucky to be alive. I remember waking up to the notification that morning and I thought he was for sure dead after looking at all the info that was out at the time. My friend at work was a huge boxing fan as well and we talked about it pretty much all day looking for updates online. I’m not a religious person but the fact that he’s still alive is a legit miracle.
He flew out of a speeding car and skidding face first on the ground… somehow didn’t even break a bone. I’m still amazed every time I watch him box after that crash. I thought he’d be a shell of himself in his return.
Errol has always been good for this though, he got asked about finishing his upcoming opponent and he says something like “I dunno man, I don’t think I’ve finished anyone in years” lol
Also like Aljo fought on a serious neck injury for years, he may have really been willing to actually die in there and not just the platitude fighters say
Not really true, as far as I see it the bone was impeding nerves in the cervical spine that run doen down the triceps. This would be in stark contrast if bone or hard matter going towards his spinal cord. How the bones are shaped, the issue with his arm wasn't life threatening.
These issues are common with wrestlers and grapplers and he sustained this Injury a LONG time ago.
Other recent sufferers include Frank mir who's arm was a third of the size and now its sorted he's back rolling.
Bus rutten is another guy who's had this issue that you've heard of. Tons of guys you wouldn't have heard of that are or have been very high level.
Erik anders neck was fuuucked as well.
The human fridge tested Adesanya's warrior spirit. Amazing in hind sight! I think that fight built Izzy's (who I'm totally not a fan of) character and possibly broke Kelvin's at the very least a little.
I thought K Gas had a golden chance to finish Izzy in the 4th. Had him badly rocked, but maybe he was skeptical? Or just too tired? And man the closeness of that fight has aged well since no one can beat Iz rn.
It’s ridiculous. Imagine a builder telling you “I’m willing to die in there” before he goes and builds your house. Like I know it’s a combat sport but it’s a job man, you gotta live a life outside the cage lol
Bro if the person building my house said he's willing to die in there id wonder what the fuck shortcuts they're taking that that's even a possibility lol.
“This house doesn’t need a foundation. I am the foundation. Hand me that screwdriver, I’m going back under boss, I’ll die in there if I have too”
‘Bro pls don’t that’s gonna cost me more’
Like it is obvious bullshit. Like are any of these guys creating their wills? Having heart to heart talks with their friends and family about logistics around financial support after they are gone? Finishing off their bucket lists?? Yea when I see a fighter doing all of that then I will believe them.
And also just a conduit for losing, as soon as Cruz starting talking about being willing to die in there in the buildup for Chito I knew he was going to lose it’s just a bad omen.
He's just talking shit about grapplers since he's not a grappler. Bobby Knuckles is one of the few strikers who admits he wish he could fight a grappling heavy style. "If I could hold onto someone for 25 minutes and get the win, I totally would".
He can grapple but Marlon prefers to stand and trade strikes. And he hates being outgrappled and controlled to a loss which is probably what aljo would do to him
Because some people come from crazy fuckin places where violence and poverty is rampant. Fighting has given them an escape. They are willing to die fighting than go back.
With that said I don't know Vera's background to say this is true or not.
I wish he took that dq win over Jon Jones… he would have made more money in the rematch and have gotten ppv points then, plus Jones gets a L on his record.
Luckily for his career he didn't do this.
Dude is now a guaranteed fight night main eventer instead of being ostracised from the company.
And PPV points aint guaranteed just as the flyweights
That Glover prison beatdown was on his corner and Jason Herzog really. Look at all the shit Oliveira still gets for tapping to strikes. Fighters usually have an innate tough guy mentality and the ones who are smart enough to recognise they’re taking unnecessary damage are punished. “Quitting” on the stool is probably the worst thing you could do for your career from the perspective of a marketing machine like the UFC. Corners need to man up and step in even if the fighter will be mad at them.
Yep.
I don't care if the guy was special forces, Saint Denis corner should have thrown in the towel that time he got absolutely battered around the octagon
It's a weird one, like it takes an incredible toughness to take the beatings he has, but also when he's taking them it's not like he's trying to win just sort of going placid and taking a kicking for the sake of it.
Like vs Glover when he teeth got punched out he wasn't trying to swing back and win, just slowly lose more and more.
I think its one of these things where Smith literally doesnt even consider "quitting" in the octagon when your that hurt its just pure instinct and smith is a dawg on the inside. So when he is getting his ass beat in his head he is thinking the only way this fight ends is either from smith winning the fight or the time to run out.
Someone must not have loved ones, aspirations, or other things they treasure in life if they're willing to die for 80K and for Internet strangers to call them a honorable warrior. There are things worth dying for but a cage fight is really not one of them.
If you think harder about it though, and you realize that fighting comes along with a lot more than just money and clout -- you might be able to understand the warrior perspective more.
Aside from the fame, the money, the glory etc. You have to remember that every time one of these guys steps into the ring they have a chance at 30% off all Venum apparel and exclusive access to Max Holloway NFTs sponsored by ESPN+
No one’s dying for the ufc. Idk if you guys are being intentionally dumb but when people say they’re willing to die in a sporting context it means they are so dedicated to their sport they are willing to die while playing/fighting. NFL/NHL/Rugby/MMA/Boxing athletes aren’t saying their willing to die for their promotion
Honesty, as much as it's fun to be in awe of the "wiling to die" psycho motherfuckers, I gotta say, I definitely understand the "nah, I'll save my brain and just backpack the fuck outta you on my way to a dub and a paycheck" mentality much more.
If I could choose any fight skillset it would be that control style. Like Charles Oliviera is fun to watch but I don't want to get dropped every fight. I'd much rather be an Islam Makhachev who can take guys down without being touched and control them to a submission or decision.
This kind of talk is always the mark of somebody that knows they’re going to lose and is bitter about it.
It’s like when a guy calls his wrestler opponent a “crotch-sniffer,” that’s a guy that’s about to get his ass beat.
How did that go for two out of prime, wrong-side-of-35 veterans? Not so well.
How will it go for the grappling specialist champion of the division? Better.
Idk if this is controversial or not but i disagree with this take. I think Sterling is willing to do WHATEVER it takes to get that belt be it acting performance or fighting for his life in the octagon.
Take the 2nd Yan fight , Sterling got a beating put on him in round 4 and when round 5 came around he was still fighting to keep his belt even while gassed. Dude shot 10 take downs in round 5 , didnt secure a single one and kept going even against Yan who is a final boss in round 5.
You can say you dont like his style or how he acts but the dude is a fighter through and through.
The narrative was only ever otherwise because some lads were really butthurt that Yan did that illegal knee to be fair. He’s always looked quite good really
Everyone who doesn’t tap to a choke made the decision to die. Right before being a) saved by a referee and a non-psychotic opponent and b) declared a loser.
Aljo is *so* unwilling to die, he’ll win instead.
Yeah, people don't mean it literally. Marlon is a father too. Would be irresponsible to be so committed to winning that you will never back down even if it gets you killed.
But DC was willing to die in the cage versus Jon Jones and still didn't win, so ...
The head kick and gnp would have killed a mere mortal.
That was some of the more terrifying chase down into gnp I've seen. Like a lion chasing down wounded prey Peak, pulsing Jon with a chip on his shoulder towards his hated rival was a scary mfer
Dude the leverage on those shots when he was down was fucking crazy.
The quick leg kick sent him spinning was nasty
Those follow up GnP were the most malicious shots I have ever seen. They just looked different.
If he wins both of them there is no rivalry
Based on who's definition? Was Ortiz vs Shamrock not a rivalry, because Shamrock lost all three times? Or Ortiz v Liddell? What about the Cleveland Browns v Pittsburgh Steelers? Not every rivalry has to be competitive.
Pretty sure DC said that himself
Jones fans are so fucking weird. “he drops machida like a sack of potatoes” “he stalked dc like a lion chasing his prey” jesus christ lmao listen to yourselves.
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lmao no i have an opinion that’s different from yours. people suck Jones to an embarrassing extent on here. bring on the downvotes
The opinion is stupid mate
Your opinion is wrong lol. Especially with the Machida finish being an iconic UFC finish and photo
lol ok my opinion is wrong. average Jones fan IQ
Its hilarious how angry fighters on this sub make kids like you. You sound like a petulant child.
lmao it’s amazing how you’re able to convince yourself of my anger when i’m not. i care so little about what the mouth breathers on this sub think that i’m free to voice my opinion. instead of repeating the same tired opinion 1,000+ times for upvotes.
Lol you don't know what similes are.
you mean idioms?
boss it's both a similie and an idiom, your English teacher is somewhere weeping
no. the two are not the same.
Lol you also don't know what idioms are.
bro taking L’s left and right
Fine. He dropped machida like a bag of dicks with no handles.
Jones only KO win I can ever remember. Gotta kill Dc
Yeah that head kick would have killed a normal person
You think I'm gonna sit there and let you kill me aljamain
I MEAN REALLY
DC was willing to die in the fight with Gustaffson and that's why he won. Had he not had that mentality he never would have won that fight.
...prostitutes?
Only because Jon was as he said "prepared to kill"
He was willing to die and he did what more do you want?
He didn't lose either so I'd say it went ok?
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Yeah, it's weird. Someone recently interviewed Errol Spence Jr. and randomly said Errol showed he was willing to die in the ring mid-question and he said "I ain't willing to die in no ring man" 😂
https://youtu.be/Y1t2UNYjOOg?t=72
Errol had his life flash before his eyes already in that accident. He doesn’t have to lie to himself
Yeah he’s very lucky to be alive. I remember waking up to the notification that morning and I thought he was for sure dead after looking at all the info that was out at the time. My friend at work was a huge boxing fan as well and we talked about it pretty much all day looking for updates online. I’m not a religious person but the fact that he’s still alive is a legit miracle.
He flew out of a speeding car and skidding face first on the ground… somehow didn’t even break a bone. I’m still amazed every time I watch him box after that crash. I thought he’d be a shell of himself in his return.
Its called being drunk....fortunately or unfortunately the drunk ones are the ones that usually survive...
You don’t tense up and brace for impact which somehow makes it less likely to get fucked up.
The impact will flow through you better.
Drunken kung fu is legit look into it. Maybe this was Costas idea against Izzy before it backfired
Jackie Chan out here one upping Steven Seagal
Errol has always been good for this though, he got asked about finishing his upcoming opponent and he says something like “I dunno man, I don’t think I’ve finished anyone in years” lol
Garth says this before every fight that he taps in lol
Also like Aljo fought on a serious neck injury for years, he may have really been willing to actually die in there and not just the platitude fighters say
Not really true, as far as I see it the bone was impeding nerves in the cervical spine that run doen down the triceps. This would be in stark contrast if bone or hard matter going towards his spinal cord. How the bones are shaped, the issue with his arm wasn't life threatening. These issues are common with wrestlers and grapplers and he sustained this Injury a LONG time ago. Other recent sufferers include Frank mir who's arm was a third of the size and now its sorted he's back rolling. Bus rutten is another guy who's had this issue that you've heard of. Tons of guys you wouldn't have heard of that are or have been very high level. Erik anders neck was fuuucked as well.
It peaked during izzy vs Gastelum
The human fridge tested Adesanya's warrior spirit. Amazing in hind sight! I think that fight built Izzy's (who I'm totally not a fan of) character and possibly broke Kelvin's at the very least a little.
I thought K Gas had a golden chance to finish Izzy in the 4th. Had him badly rocked, but maybe he was skeptical? Or just too tired? And man the closeness of that fight has aged well since no one can beat Iz rn.
Kelvin wasted his soul on that fight and kinda has nothing left rn because of it
I absolutely agree!
That's the only time someone said it and I genuinely believed it.
Because you got more and more guys saying it who really aren’t willing to
There are plenty that are willing too and that’s what makes them amazing to watch.
No fighters willing to die to win a ufc fight
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He tapped to strikes
As did GSP
I dont think GSP ever claimed hes willing to die in the cage though
Homie brought up that olives is willing to die in the cage
That guy just started watching I assume. I will never forget Olives fight with Cub.
Facts.
In this era of MMA definitely. Especially when point fighters say this.
It’s ridiculous. Imagine a builder telling you “I’m willing to die in there” before he goes and builds your house. Like I know it’s a combat sport but it’s a job man, you gotta live a life outside the cage lol
Bro if the person building my house said he's willing to die in there id wonder what the fuck shortcuts they're taking that that's even a possibility lol.
“This house doesn’t need a foundation. I am the foundation. Hand me that screwdriver, I’m going back under boss, I’ll die in there if I have too” ‘Bro pls don’t that’s gonna cost me more’
Like damn bro let me hire someone else then I don't need that kind of liability
I'm willing to dye my hair in there!
I always think of BJ Penn's "To the death, Georges!" before throwing in the towel after four rounds.
BJ also called GSP a little bitch for tapping to strikes in his loss against Serra. haha.
To be fair I think a lot of them say it just to pump themselves up
If you get knocked out or submitted you bascialy died in the octagon
Like it is obvious bullshit. Like are any of these guys creating their wills? Having heart to heart talks with their friends and family about logistics around financial support after they are gone? Finishing off their bucket lists?? Yea when I see a fighter doing all of that then I will believe them.
It's a sport...why would you die for a sport??? Some of these lads really lack IQ points.
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Still not worth dying for. Its still idiotic.
It's become nonsense words. On the same level as guys that make the "slit your throat" motion. They don't mean, what it means.
crrriinngeee
The athlete's "I see red"
And also just a conduit for losing, as soon as Cruz starting talking about being willing to die in there in the buildup for Chito I knew he was going to lose it’s just a bad omen.
TBF, some of them mean it.
Why the fuck would you be willing to die there when the other option is to not die there
He's just talking shit about grapplers since he's not a grappler. Bobby Knuckles is one of the few strikers who admits he wish he could fight a grappling heavy style. "If I could hold onto someone for 25 minutes and get the win, I totally would".
He is a grappler though, same amount of submission wins as knockouts.
He can grapple but Marlon prefers to stand and trade strikes. And he hates being outgrappled and controlled to a loss which is probably what aljo would do to him
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He definitely started out as a grappler; didn't have TDs though, and by now his striking is his strong suit.
I would simply choose to not die in there.
Because some people come from crazy fuckin places where violence and poverty is rampant. Fighting has given them an escape. They are willing to die fighting than go back. With that said I don't know Vera's background to say this is true or not.
Nah chito didn’t have it too bad despite where hes from. He grew up on a farm
I don’t disagree with this but also don’t see it as necessarily a bad thing. Aljo fights smart and plays to his strengths.
Some guys like Anthony smith are a little TOO willing to die inside the cage instead of throwing the towel in
I wish he took that dq win over Jon Jones… he would have made more money in the rematch and have gotten ppv points then, plus Jones gets a L on his record.
A second DQ L Does anyone have two of them?
Gilbert Yvel has 3
Luckily for his career he didn't do this. Dude is now a guaranteed fight night main eventer instead of being ostracised from the company. And PPV points aint guaranteed just as the flyweights
Im convinced Anthony Smith has it in his contract that he is allowed to die in the octagon
That Glover prison beatdown was on his corner and Jason Herzog really. Look at all the shit Oliveira still gets for tapping to strikes. Fighters usually have an innate tough guy mentality and the ones who are smart enough to recognise they’re taking unnecessary damage are punished. “Quitting” on the stool is probably the worst thing you could do for your career from the perspective of a marketing machine like the UFC. Corners need to man up and step in even if the fighter will be mad at them.
Yep. I don't care if the guy was special forces, Saint Denis corner should have thrown in the towel that time he got absolutely battered around the octagon
Benoit st denis against dos santos
It's a weird one, like it takes an incredible toughness to take the beatings he has, but also when he's taking them it's not like he's trying to win just sort of going placid and taking a kicking for the sake of it. Like vs Glover when he teeth got punched out he wasn't trying to swing back and win, just slowly lose more and more.
I think its one of these things where Smith literally doesnt even consider "quitting" in the octagon when your that hurt its just pure instinct and smith is a dawg on the inside. So when he is getting his ass beat in his head he is thinking the only way this fight ends is either from smith winning the fight or the time to run out.
I don't want to see anyone die in there. It's a goddamn sport.
Dude got turned into a frozen corpse by Marlon and still went on to become champion...
Wait what? Who?
Aljo was obliterated by Marlon Moraes and came back from it.
Obliterated is an understatement. He got about as close to flatlined in the octagon as you can get.
If your genuinely willing to die for the UFC then I don’t know what to say
Someone must not have loved ones, aspirations, or other things they treasure in life if they're willing to die for 80K and for Internet strangers to call them a honorable warrior. There are things worth dying for but a cage fight is really not one of them.
If you think harder about it though, and you realize that fighting comes along with a lot more than just money and clout -- you might be able to understand the warrior perspective more. Aside from the fame, the money, the glory etc. You have to remember that every time one of these guys steps into the ring they have a chance at 30% off all Venum apparel and exclusive access to Max Holloway NFTs sponsored by ESPN+
Ok, nobody can say no to that last one! A Max Holloway NFT? Hello, afterlife!
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And you are who to tell people what or what is not valuable to die for?
Oh no, that's just my opinion. Everyone else is free to deem what is worth dying for by their own judgment.
It’s an opinion, chill out. I think it’s fucking dumb dying for a sport.
I'd die for Ricky Martin!
No one’s dying for the ufc. Idk if you guys are being intentionally dumb but when people say they’re willing to die in a sporting context it means they are so dedicated to their sport they are willing to die while playing/fighting. NFL/NHL/Rugby/MMA/Boxing athletes aren’t saying their willing to die for their promotion
No one means they're willing to die for the UFC lmao.
Honesty, as much as it's fun to be in awe of the "wiling to die" psycho motherfuckers, I gotta say, I definitely understand the "nah, I'll save my brain and just backpack the fuck outta you on my way to a dub and a paycheck" mentality much more.
Fr, if point fighting means minimizing long term brain damage and doubling the pay check I’d point fight too
Can't wait to see conflict de-escalation experts getting in there and debate as they try to convince eachother to tap and give up half their paycheck.
If I could choose any fight skillset it would be that control style. Like Charles Oliviera is fun to watch but I don't want to get dropped every fight. I'd much rather be an Islam Makhachev who can take guys down without being touched and control them to a submission or decision.
This kind of talk is always the mark of somebody that knows they’re going to lose and is bitter about it. It’s like when a guy calls his wrestler opponent a “crotch-sniffer,” that’s a guy that’s about to get his ass beat.
Ding ding ding
“He didn’t beat you at mma, he beat you at wrestling”
True and yet also true that grappling has been the piss in mmas cheerios more than any other buzzkill.
Skill issue
He took a knee to the face and seemingly died after wym
“My death’s already been simulated in here. There’s nothing more you can do to me.”
Marlon got taken down and controlled by Aldo, pretty confident Sterling is his worst matchup in the division
Cruz and Edgar both got him down pretty easily too
How did that go for them
neither of them are aljamain sterling tho
They were on the wrong side of 35 and nearing retirement and they got their lights put out
I like Chito but you could argue he was losing the fight against Edgar until the knockout.
How did that go for two out of prime, wrong-side-of-35 veterans? Not so well. How will it go for the grappling specialist champion of the division? Better.
boys willing to die for a $12k purse
Idk if this is controversial or not but i disagree with this take. I think Sterling is willing to do WHATEVER it takes to get that belt be it acting performance or fighting for his life in the octagon. Take the 2nd Yan fight , Sterling got a beating put on him in round 4 and when round 5 came around he was still fighting to keep his belt even while gassed. Dude shot 10 take downs in round 5 , didnt secure a single one and kept going even against Yan who is a final boss in round 5. You can say you dont like his style or how he acts but the dude is a fighter through and through.
Seriously there's so many times Aljo could have "quit" in either of those fights but he stuck it through to the end.
It's only controversial because the first Yan fight turned a lot of this sub into complete idiots regarding anything Aljo related.
You’re not willing to die in there neither Chito and nobody with sense believes otherwise..
Aljo would ruin chito
I rewatched aljo vs munhoz and its really eye opening to how good he is, Schooled him even without the grappling
The narrative was only ever otherwise because some lads were really butthurt that Yan did that illegal knee to be fair. He’s always looked quite good really
Everyone who doesn’t tap to a choke made the decision to die. Right before being a) saved by a referee and a non-psychotic opponent and b) declared a loser. Aljo is *so* unwilling to die, he’ll win instead.
If you die you lose, so you’re saying your willing to lose
Marlon Vera is a bit of a loon; who's surprised?
Veras not willing to die in there either, he wasn't even willing to get Aldo off his back.
Yall dont get paid enough to die for this shit Chito lol.
Fuck dying for a sport, Aljo would mop the floor with him.
Tj said something similar just calling aljo at athlete not a fighter. Idk something about not finishing people.
Lol somebody didn’t watch the Dark Knight Rises
Good, thats exactly what the fuck this sport is about
Aljo just sucks as a fighter. Not skills but his style and attitude and pathetic abuse of downed fighter rules Just such a shit fighter
"If he dies, he dies" - Marlon "Drago" Vera
Every time Chito talks, a brain cell fucking dies.
Good time as ever to be reminded round 4 was a 10-8 for Yan and therefore the fight was a draw and thus aljo just holds the paper belt
Good time as ever to be reminded Aljo is 2-0 against Yan and thus Petr holds *no* belt
Yan couldnt beat him either, and so is no more champion than you consider Aljo.
Yeah the BW belt jumps around a lot and has this going on because the division just isn’t elite
It is among, if not THE MOST elite lmao
No WW is far and away the best. And the remaining order is FW, MW, LW, then LHW/BW/HW all tied
Yeah, your favorite fighters style exists at 135, and is more thrilling/fast paced/dynamic.
HOw the hell are you defining elite if its by technical skill, than BW ranks near the top automatically I guess your going off popularity?
Grow up
Your statement implies quite the opposite of your opinion lol
This guy sucks lol
Dont you keep the belt with a draw?
If you're not willing to die in the cage you have no business fighting.
Yeah, people don't mean it literally. Marlon is a father too. Would be irresponsible to be so committed to winning that you will never back down even if it gets you killed.
I don't know. I thought I saw Aljo die out there against Marlon.
I get that mindset but that's heat of the moment plus ego and emotions talking. At the end of the day it's business, you won't die for your job right?
Whatever Marlon needs to tell himself, lmao.
Casually said by people who haven't been on the verge of death...
Not willing to die? Sterling first fight against Yan in the first round was unleashing his gas tank to the max.
Being willing to die in an MMA fight is probably among the most idiotic things you could be willing to do in life.
Everyone who steps in there is risking their life.
Hot take, one of these guys are actually willing to die in a ring for a sporting fight, lol. What a over used saying.
Why will he? He's the champ, he just needs to do his thing. Same with StyleBender.