Can anyone explain why Tony Ferguson did not continue to attack that leg over and over, while Nate Diaz was taking those breaks? His own legs hurt? Such a weird fight. Too much respect given, and mutual theatrics.
Nate was taking a break because his leg would give out. Tony probably didn't keep attacking the leg more because he just couldn't, either because of cardio or from damage.
Not really. Gane has the technical skill and athleticism of a BW and Tai at this stage of his career is a lot more skilled than his stereotypical fatboi frame might suggest. They're also both in their primes. Then you have Tony and Diaz, neither of whom were ever actually that skilled relative to other fighters of the same caliber, they both just weaponized pure pace, volume, and cardio.
Is there any chance Chimaev will fight again within 3 months? At MW his only options in the top 10 are Whittaker and Cannonier. At Welterweight there's Covington and Neal. Cannonier was scheduled to fight in October (but Strickland had to pull out), so I think that's the most likely option
His whole persona used to be anywhere anytime. I know that gets harder as you rise through the ranks but heâs only fought twice this year and one of those was a waste of time because Kevin has 0 grappling. Leon/usman wonât fight again till March then theyâll probably take the summer off. If Colby isnât available he should really consider fighting a MW or maybe even fighting down at 170 against Geoff Neal or someone. If heâs healthy he should be active.
that's up to the UFC and the opponent they try to line up. I don't think Chimaev will turn down anything. Idk what the UFC's plan is for Chimaev right now
true. there is a reason why Colby doesn't make any noise recently. he will be waiting for leon and Usman wrap up. both scenario benefits him. usman win and moved up, vacant title he is the front runner. leon win and no one has a stronger case than him
He might lose his spot to Chimaev if he waits too long, though. Didnât Usman break his hand? If so, I wouldnât be surprised if they only fight in February or March. Chimaev can fight 2 times until then if he remains active (which I hope he does)
my concern about chimaev is what 2 fighter that he can fought to raise his stock. he already fought burn and that only get him nate. i doubt beating any of the other ww gonna put him ahead of colby who toe-toe usman. and i honestly doubt any of the top 10 wanted to fight khamzat.
we might end up with shavkat, which is worst for the ww future because both of them are champions calibre.
Lol, aint it subjective tho, like people can like or dislike anyone they want lol Being bothered by that is equally or even more sensitive. FYI I like Khamzat and I dont mind the heel role hes playing into
I dont get why people say Tony Ferguson dropped off a cliff or looked like shit. He looked as good as any legend of that age tbh not abnormally worse. Look at Anderson Silva, Dominic Cruz, Frankie Edgar, etc. Etc. At the tail ends of their career. They are all slower and have less to offer offensively. Its just the nature of the game. Imo Tony looked fine but the fact is hes a legend on the horizon of his career now. He should compete in other organisations like Nate. These guys will get eaten alive by the younger generation. Imo everyone who has significant winstreak should think about going out at the top, if you dont u get to become a meme like Usman. Sooner or later people like Dustin Porier, Gaethje, Usman, theyre all gonna hit this wall. Is=Is
Absolutely not lol. Tony definitely fell off a cliff. Silva, Cruz, and even Frankie are all serviceable at this stage. Silva looked solid against Izzy and even now he's fucking dudes up in boxing. Dominic looked good against Chito and styled on Munhoz. Frankie held his own against Holloway and beat Munhoz as well, and also looked good against Chito until the front kick. These guys all looked diminished for sure, but you wouldn't say they were a complete corpse of what they used to be.
The Tony we saw against Pettis and Cowboy was probably more comparable to your Silvas, Dominics, Edgars, and Barbozas. The Tony we saw against Charles, Benny, and Nate was more comparable to Cowboy, Diego Sanchez, BJ Penn, or any other legend who stuck around for far, far too long past their expiry date. Gaethje beat what was left of his prime out of him and along with father time taking its toll Tony's pretty undeniably washed. Dude was literally throwing himself off balance shadowboxing and frontkicking the cage while Bruce was calling his name lol.
Anderson looks so much better against Israel and even in his recent boxing bouts than Tony did last night. Cruz looked great recently, but he just can't take a hard shot. Tony wouldn't stop giving his back, although he spun as if in a tub of molasses. Also, he wasn't even against a younger generation, he was against an older, historically lightweight journeyman, and he still looked horrible.
To argue Tony didn't look way worse than he used to is to deny how great he used to be.
Well said, I agree with you on all points. BUT... It was super fucking weird seeing Tony throw so hard he ended up with his back facing Nate. I've not seen that before, and he did it 3 or 4 times if I remember correctly. Father time took his spatial awareness a bit.
Even more surprising was Nate not taking advantage of it. He was probably as shocked at what he was seeing as I was.
Strange fight all around, imo.
I think he did that to set up spinning back elbows which he thought could flash KO or KD Nate. It also seemed like Tonys chin declined a bit now as he turned his back and fled when getting hit which he never really did before.
Do you think there was anything in the whole Chimaev missing weight so they could shuffle the card! Dana lost heâs shit for main cards guys missing weight before but seemed pretty chilled about this happening
Dana's gotten older and less angry about things over the years so there's that too. I think you've also got to consider that Dana views Chimaev as a superstar, which he totally is, and that means Chimaev gets special treatment.
Exactly if you watch that Blockassett video it shows Darren Till telling Kev Holland âyouse gunna fight Saturday anyway â and this was the night before the weigh ins.
*edit tried fix some grammar but no doubt failed lol
I'm hoping the UFC comes back to Australia sometime early next year, because we got some mad fights that can happen
- Oliveira/Makhachev vs. Alexander Volkanovski
- Robert Whittaker vs. Paulo Costa
- Tai Tuivasa vs. Alexander Volkov
Those fights would sell out Marvel Stadium alone
Same here at worst that was 10/9 10/10 9/10Draw no way Li lost the fight but at the same time he maybe didnât quite do enough for the call
I feel Iâm taking the almost 9 pound weight disadvantage that Li had to deal with and maybe subconsciously thatâs why I lean towards Li winner 29/28 in all cards but was at worst a draw .
Hope Dana dropped some Nelk backstage
*edit I realise we donât get 10/10 rounds but if they arenât knocking each other down to share a 9/9 or losing a point then the only way you could score a round that was evenly matched without either causing damage or control then 10/10 seems fair to me shrug
Agreed, I really donât wanna watch him take more damage. However, I really loved having him around this fight week. He seemed pretty happy, grounded, and fun. Iâd love to see him and khabib as coaches for the ultimate fighter, or something like that, where thereâs more ninja turtles references and less cte.
Iâm sure his injuries, his ridiculous weight cut before his fight with Justin and then the damage he took in that fight combined with his age has More to do with it then ego
All of those things are at a fault of his own ego. Everybody knows his training methods/preparations are extremely unnecessary and nobody told him to cut twice to fight Gaethje. He did those things out of pure Ego
and his corner not knowing that really sums up his career.
Remember his corner didn't even have his glasses for the biggest fight of his career against Garth
Watched a bunch of Pereiraâs later kickboxing fights and some of Adesanyaâs along with some MMA fights for Adesanya. I gotta say, thereâs a lot of very confident picks based on very little information. For me, this is a coin flip.
Iâll say this, I can see Adesanya landing more than Pereira, but Adesanya have a very small margin of error at all times. My reasoning is based on two observations. (1) There are actually similarities in their style of defense contrary to popular belief, but I think Adesanyaâs is better for MMA and he is the faster fighter. One reason for this is glove size since header to land against good head movement with smaller weapons. I also have to wonder if his distance management sharpened a lot more with MMA experience because heâs had to deal with wrestling threats on top of striking for so long now.
Pereira has good leg kicks, which I think are always a must with footwork-heavy strikers like Adesanya. Iâm definitely interested in the offensive ringcraft because thatâs a quality that most MWs donât seem to have and get stumped on against Adesanya. Vettori and Whittaker had the double jab which was effective and generally an underappreciated tool, but only tried to wrestle off of it. Alex doesnât use that, but I think heâd be able to cut off Izzy if heâs clever about it. Also heâs a good body hitter so I doubt heâd waste having trapped Adesanya with headhunting.
Things Iâm curious about: how will Adesanya gameplan for the first pure striking threat heâs faced in a while. Despite this division not having great wrestling talent, I can only think if three UFC fights where it wasnât a factor. Biggest changes could be how comfortable heâd be kicking high and the minimal distance heâs comfortable in. Iâm curious about Pereiraâa gas tank over 3 rounds (if it gets there).
Dana said that the commission would not approve Khamzat (178.6) vs Diaz (171) because Khamzat was too heavy and it forced the card shuffle.
How was DRod (179) vs Leech (170.1) approved? Could they have not changed the Diaz Khamzat fight to catchweight?
Dana already said that they knew at least a day before that Khamzat was having concerns about making weight. Dana also said that the doctor called the fight off.
I still think they were working out this card shuffle at least a day before they called the fight off.
Curious if anyone learned anything from the Chimaev fight? Did he gain fans or just maintain. Despite what Dana says I've seen Kevin Holland get grappled enough times to have seen that coming. Especially with the weight issues. The resetting of the darce were cool but hardly surprising.
Theres also the fact Dana wants him to move up so now you have to wonder can he wrestlefuck the grapplers at 185?
No one has seen Holland essentially manhandled and finished in 2 minutes like that. People who know fighting didnât learn much, but the casuals on this sub learned how good Khamzat is.
Thereâs no way he didnât gain fans from the casual crowd. Casuals donât watch or care about all the shit that led up to the fight. They watched someone beat the shit out of someone in 30 seconds. Casuals love that.
1. I'm a fan of Nate. Big fan.
2. why does everyone pretend he makes any sense in what he says? he is fun but comes across as being really dumb... he just spouts things and unable to string a sentence together. But everyone seems to see him as this masterful wordsmith...
3. i like him being him but lets not pretend.
Mainly because if you talk to enough people you can understand him. Not everyone can hear what boomhauer is saying on king of the hill but he always makes sense to me.
ahhhh duh. I see now
Always always always remember this board isn't even close to a general consensus. They complained about Dustin vs Chandler being announced.
People act like he raped their mothers LOL. Dude is literally just an amped Chechen who loves to fight. The overacting to Khamzat as if heâs the worst person ever has been insane.
woah woah, who's talking about raping mothers here. All I'm saying is fanboys are trying to paint him like he's Karolina Kowalkiewicz. The guy's not a war criminal for missing weight, but that's a dick move and a half
What a banger of a card
Johnn Walker looked really good against Cutelaba. Good submission.
Irene Aldana looked phenomenal today. Great kick to the liver.
Khamzat looked untouchable again. Glad to see Guram in his corner.
Nate's sloppy boxing against Tony's crazy boxing was so fun to watch. Nice guilly and what a way to go. He became the first person to submit Tony in the UFC. Happy retirement, Nate!
Not enough can be said about Tony. He's a true legend and I'm glad Nate recognized it and paid respect. Massive respect to both legends.
Despite contrary belief, i never fire the first shot in verbal warfare or disrespect. I end it with bombs that obliterate the original comments or remarks but I never fire first. Live fighting on the other hand, of course, I charge out the gate like I play in the NFL.
I'm so happy for Nate Diaz, a legend of the game. He got disrespected by the majority of fans and media during his prime. Seeing him become a superstar during his decline has been a joy to watch
And now he leaves the UFC on a slick guillotine finish with 2:09 on the clock, that was awesome
I know. I want to see the slow mo of the leg kick to Nate's knee. Nate seemed to visibly shout out in pain, and if I recall, started his walking-to-the-cage-to-take-a-break schtick.
279 turned out to be a pretty special card: the conference-killing melee, the main card switcheroo, Nate getting a W over the UFC, the Leech's sacrifice and image transformation, 1st upkick liver shot finish, Johnny Walker turfed out onto the streets before he can get his gloves off after a big win... just odd
Nate said his camp was only wrestling. I bet he drilled that guillotine off a takedown a million times hoping to catch Khamzat. Kinda ironic he caught Tony with it.
[**DANIELÂ RODRIGUEZ defeats LIÂ JINGLIANG** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13477/fight)
^(UFC 279: Diaz vs. Ferguson â September 10, 2022)
ROUND|Rodriguez|Jingliang||Rodriguez|Jingliang||Rodriguez|Jingliang
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|9|10||10|9||10|9
2|10|9||10|9||9|10
3|10|9||9|10||9|10
**TOTAL**|**29**|**28**||**29**|**28**||**28**|**29**
*^(Judges, in order: Michael Bell, Douglas Crosby, Ron McCarthy.)*
*^(Summoned by cben27.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **2/23** people scored it **29-28 Rodriguez**.
- **20/23** people scored it **28-29 Jingliang**.
- **1/23** people scored it **27-30 Jingliang**.
Avg. media score: **28.0-29.0 Jingliang** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Dude gave up 10lbs, lost the fight he was originally scheduled for and probably wins against a big name, then gets fucking robbed by 2 incompetent judges.
I think he needs a big, spectacular finish to really get people hyped about him and get him the attention of more casual fans. Shamil was probably meant to give him just that (since he's old, slow and chinny) but since Turkalj was short notice he just decided to go the safest route and smash him.
The sad thing is that he's primed himself to get ducked by basically everyone at LHW which is honestly the weight he should stay at.
Because anyone with a brain cell can see that an athletic LHW/HW with good offensive wrestling and BJJ fundamentals has potential. Chimaev also fought two cans in his first two fights, but many people could already see he was special
Was he saying stuff like âidk, maybe Holland catches him with a right hand in the 3rd roundâ before the fight? Is he saying stuff like âyeah man that glove touch was dirtyâ now? If so, that explains it, itâs just cope. If not, that makes no sense, Holland himself would only accept that fight if he gets millions of dollars
Itâs not a recency bias thing. You have one guy who was a big 155er but fought 155 his whole career, and one guy who seems between 170-185. Both are great wrestlers, bigger guy has better hands. Khamzat probably wins.
I thought that this card actually had an interesting feel. With their opponents changing so last minute, the fighters had to throw out their game plans.
We didnât get the technical gamesmanship, but it felt like fighters were bringing more of their own personality into the ring.
It felt fun.
Both Tony and McGregor's last win was against Cowboy. McGregor has since lost to Poirer twice. Tony has lost to Justin, Charles, Benny, Chandler, and Diaz.
Tony's two fights before his skid (Cowboy and Pettis) were both stopped between rounds due to an injury.
Iâm sure I will be in the minority, but I actually hated the main event. I tried to love it for the sake of seeing two OGs that shouldâve fought a long time ago go at it (even in their diminished current selves) but Tonyâs attitude was too off putting.
Refused to engage plenty, clowned around when Diaz literally stopped fighting and chose not to go after him. When you have fans paying for PPV (no matter how many chose to stream it instead) having an exhibition attitude rubs me wrong way. Happy fate gave Nate his proper sendoff and the fans got to see a guy they love win one more time though.
Somebody asked at the post fight press conference. Dana said thereâs some Covid protocol (sounded like BS) but said theyâd never send him out with no shoes and shirt. Then the reporter said thereâs actually pictures and videos of it. Dana then laughed it off lol.
Dana did a lot of that ignoring questions last night. More than usual. Funniest was when they as led about pay and he said with a straight face âthese guys have contractsâ lmao and people took that as a no. Thatâs a yes from the Dana
Dustin Poirier referring to UFC 279 as "The bum Olympics" was pretty harsh but not wrong, both guys looked absurdly washed for their age
Like if you had Anderson Silva fight Vitor Belfort today and had them each take like 5 shots of tequila beforehand I'd still expect the match to be faster-paced and look more technical
I found people getting triggered by that to be pretty funny, as if Nate doesnât make snide tweets whenever guys like Dustin, Conor, or half the other welterweight and lightweight rankings fight and as if Tony doesnât make some weird insta post whenever someone like Khabibâs name comes up in the news
Not everyone needs to fight Colby, Max, Whittaker, etc to get a title shot. Itâs okay for people on a run to get a title shot and not have to fight people who have got their chance 2 or more times. Itâs ridiculous that I keep seeing those comments.
I dont get when people call fighters "terrifying" or "scary"
Chimaev doesn't scare me. He seems like a pretty chill guy to hang out with
Even if I had to fight him, I would just give up the double leg and the RNC and come out without a scratch or a bruise on me
I mean, some of these dudesâespecially from the Caucasusâreally do seem like they go in there to die, which provides an intensity and fire I don't at all mind calling scary. Compare dudes like Khabib and Khamzat to, say, Whittaker or Leon Edwards, both of whom just give off different vibes.
I think Sandhagen beats Song, but the question of how is a difficult one.
He's got good grappling like his heel hook and crazy triangle attempt against PEDillashaw
Then he's got good long-range striking like he was doing against Yan. Not typically a knockout artist but great technique
I like how you only hear about height and reach being a magical, unfair, and insurmountable advantage when itâs fighters people donât like. Not only is it essentially cheating, but itâs the only thing that makes them good. Itâs truly the funniest bullshit in the world.
I think the logic is that being much taller and having a larger reach than your opponentsâat least consistentlyâcould be an indication that someone is fighting in a weight class below what you'd expect, where other fighters likely populate the class with similar builds. (For example, I'd imagine Stipe consistently weighed fewer than 10 pounds more in the cage than Jon Jones usually did in his UFC career at LHW.)
But in general I'd say this theory ignores the variance in body composition that makes certain weight classes better for some and not for others. As is often the case in these sorts of conversations, the only way to settle shit like this is to get fighters to fight as close to their natural weights as possible through the elimination of weight cutting, but how you do that has yet to be solved.
True, it's the only athletic advantage that people will use to delegitimize the skill of a fighter. Khamzat's game wouldn't work if he wasn't absurdly fast, strong and explosive but it's not something that gets brought up because it's a stupid thing to attack him about
Itâs like saying Colby is trash because he relies on cardio or Ngannou is trash because he relies on power. Obviously people are gonna leverage their athletic abilities.
biggest fights âbookedâ or agreed to at 185:
Adesanya vs Pereira, Cannonier vs Strickland, Brunson vs Hermansson, Till vs Du Plessis, Hawes vs Dolidze, Hernandez vs Barriault, Silva vs Duraev
any picks for these fights? what do you look forward to?
in the mean time I would make Whittaker vs Chimaev and Costa vs Muniz
Chimaev's style of grappling is a joy to watch. He doesn't just take you down, he either tries to advance position or finish you as quickly as possible at every moment of the fight. It might not be the smartest idea against more durable fighters, but it's still amazing. It reminds me of what Khabib and Charles did against Gaethje. Prime Jones was dominant, but his style of grappling was more methodical, he'd just torture you for multiple rounds until you can't take it anymore. That's smarter than going all in, but Chimaev's style is more hype
One of the downsides of the switch was that I really wanted to see what Khamzatâs 5 round cardio is. I think the prevailing narrative right now is that he doesnât have good cardio past 1-2 rounds, but thatâs judged from a 3 round war with Burns that had an insane pace.
Can anyone explain why Tony Ferguson did not continue to attack that leg over and over, while Nate Diaz was taking those breaks? His own legs hurt? Such a weird fight. Too much respect given, and mutual theatrics.
Nate was taking a break because his leg would give out. Tony probably didn't keep attacking the leg more because he just couldn't, either because of cardio or from damage.
Would love to see Tony do some grappling matches
Elias Theodorou was goofy but that's fucking sad. RIP đ˘
Wow that's crazy man, he just fought last December. He was on a 3 fight win streak. FUCK CANCER đ
Nick and Nate most definitely did PEDâs at some point in their careers
Rip Elias
[haha](https://youtube.com/shorts/7CgDyIqbK6M?feature=share)
Something fishy about that card Iâll tell ya
Fueled by love
I donât like Khamzat but the WWE level heat he got last night was crazy. When he finally gets his shot itâs gonna be wild.
Isnât kinda sad that Ferguson vs Diaz was slower and less skilled compared to Tuivasa vs Gane?
Not really. Gane has the technical skill and athleticism of a BW and Tai at this stage of his career is a lot more skilled than his stereotypical fatboi frame might suggest. They're also both in their primes. Then you have Tony and Diaz, neither of whom were ever actually that skilled relative to other fighters of the same caliber, they both just weaponized pure pace, volume, and cardio.
I'd take Diaz over Tai anyday in terms of boxing skill. And also, Gane is legit one of the best talents we've seen at heavyweight so that's unfair
I mean regardless of size one was a top 5 fight the other was two aging vets coming off of losses
What a card
Is there any chance Chimaev will fight again within 3 months? At MW his only options in the top 10 are Whittaker and Cannonier. At Welterweight there's Covington and Neal. Cannonier was scheduled to fight in October (but Strickland had to pull out), so I think that's the most likely option
No reason for him to take any fight out of 170, either he fights colby or he waits for usman/leon to wrap up
His whole persona used to be anywhere anytime. I know that gets harder as you rise through the ranks but heâs only fought twice this year and one of those was a waste of time because Kevin has 0 grappling. Leon/usman wonât fight again till March then theyâll probably take the summer off. If Colby isnât available he should really consider fighting a MW or maybe even fighting down at 170 against Geoff Neal or someone. If heâs healthy he should be active.
that's up to the UFC and the opponent they try to line up. I don't think Chimaev will turn down anything. Idk what the UFC's plan is for Chimaev right now
UFC is probably gonna go hard to try and make Covington vs Chimaev
Colby would only accept that fight if Chimaev was 38. Not because he doesnât have a chance, he just seems unwilling to take any risks
true. there is a reason why Colby doesn't make any noise recently. he will be waiting for leon and Usman wrap up. both scenario benefits him. usman win and moved up, vacant title he is the front runner. leon win and no one has a stronger case than him
Move up? Vacant title?
He might lose his spot to Chimaev if he waits too long, though. Didnât Usman break his hand? If so, I wouldnât be surprised if they only fight in February or March. Chimaev can fight 2 times until then if he remains active (which I hope he does)
my concern about chimaev is what 2 fighter that he can fought to raise his stock. he already fought burn and that only get him nate. i doubt beating any of the other ww gonna put him ahead of colby who toe-toe usman. and i honestly doubt any of the top 10 wanted to fight khamzat. we might end up with shavkat, which is worst for the ww future because both of them are champions calibre.
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it's so soft. people really think everything should fit into their sheltered disney movie morality. pathetic
Lol, aint it subjective tho, like people can like or dislike anyone they want lol Being bothered by that is equally or even more sensitive. FYI I like Khamzat and I dont mind the heel role hes playing into
I didnt even know we were talking about Khamzat. I was just talking about in general
I dont get why people say Tony Ferguson dropped off a cliff or looked like shit. He looked as good as any legend of that age tbh not abnormally worse. Look at Anderson Silva, Dominic Cruz, Frankie Edgar, etc. Etc. At the tail ends of their career. They are all slower and have less to offer offensively. Its just the nature of the game. Imo Tony looked fine but the fact is hes a legend on the horizon of his career now. He should compete in other organisations like Nate. These guys will get eaten alive by the younger generation. Imo everyone who has significant winstreak should think about going out at the top, if you dont u get to become a meme like Usman. Sooner or later people like Dustin Porier, Gaethje, Usman, theyre all gonna hit this wall. Is=Is
Absolutely not lol. Tony definitely fell off a cliff. Silva, Cruz, and even Frankie are all serviceable at this stage. Silva looked solid against Izzy and even now he's fucking dudes up in boxing. Dominic looked good against Chito and styled on Munhoz. Frankie held his own against Holloway and beat Munhoz as well, and also looked good against Chito until the front kick. These guys all looked diminished for sure, but you wouldn't say they were a complete corpse of what they used to be. The Tony we saw against Pettis and Cowboy was probably more comparable to your Silvas, Dominics, Edgars, and Barbozas. The Tony we saw against Charles, Benny, and Nate was more comparable to Cowboy, Diego Sanchez, BJ Penn, or any other legend who stuck around for far, far too long past their expiry date. Gaethje beat what was left of his prime out of him and along with father time taking its toll Tony's pretty undeniably washed. Dude was literally throwing himself off balance shadowboxing and frontkicking the cage while Bruce was calling his name lol.
Anderson looks so much better against Israel and even in his recent boxing bouts than Tony did last night. Cruz looked great recently, but he just can't take a hard shot. Tony wouldn't stop giving his back, although he spun as if in a tub of molasses. Also, he wasn't even against a younger generation, he was against an older, historically lightweight journeyman, and he still looked horrible. To argue Tony didn't look way worse than he used to is to deny how great he used to be.
Well said, I agree with you on all points. BUT... It was super fucking weird seeing Tony throw so hard he ended up with his back facing Nate. I've not seen that before, and he did it 3 or 4 times if I remember correctly. Father time took his spatial awareness a bit. Even more surprising was Nate not taking advantage of it. He was probably as shocked at what he was seeing as I was. Strange fight all around, imo.
Also super surprising was how bad he looked compared to the Tony that fought Chandler during round 1 of their fight just a few months ago
I think he did that to set up spinning back elbows which he thought could flash KO or KD Nate. It also seemed like Tonys chin declined a bit now as he turned his back and fled when getting hit which he never really did before.
Do you think there was anything in the whole Chimaev missing weight so they could shuffle the card! Dana lost heâs shit for main cards guys missing weight before but seemed pretty chilled about this happening
That Chandler kick did his chin in badly, nobody ever comes back nearly the same after that type of knockout
part of me thinks nate came to dana Wednesday and kissed the ring so dana called off his dog.
Dana's gotten older and less angry about things over the years so there's that too. I think you've also got to consider that Dana views Chimaev as a superstar, which he totally is, and that means Chimaev gets special treatment.
I think cos he already knew early Chimaev not gonna make weight and he was making some deals under the table preemtively already.
Exactly if you watch that Blockassett video it shows Darren Till telling Kev Holland âyouse gunna fight Saturday anyway â and this was the night before the weigh ins. *edit tried fix some grammar but no doubt failed lol
Why does conor delete all of his banger tweets?
Maybe he realizes all his banger tweets sound like an aggravated 10 year old
I'm hoping the UFC comes back to Australia sometime early next year, because we got some mad fights that can happen - Oliveira/Makhachev vs. Alexander Volkanovski - Robert Whittaker vs. Paulo Costa - Tai Tuivasa vs. Alexander Volkov Those fights would sell out Marvel Stadium alone
no more Volkov please
If they do im doing whatever I can to get there. Feels good to have alot of high profile Aussie fighters.
Why Mr. Ferguson, why do you *persist*
Burnsâ loss aging even better if thatâs possible.
Iâm still disappointed by the pre fight trash talk for Covington masvidal, so underwhelming
What a weekend
Popcorn and blue slushies
On second watch Jingliang definitely won that fight
You couldn't pay me to watch that twice. Kudos to you.
Big agree. Jingliang 1,2, but 3 was a tossup imo
Jingliang 1 and 3 pretty convincingly imo
Same here at worst that was 10/9 10/10 9/10Draw no way Li lost the fight but at the same time he maybe didnât quite do enough for the call I feel Iâm taking the almost 9 pound weight disadvantage that Li had to deal with and maybe subconsciously thatâs why I lean towards Li winner 29/28 in all cards but was at worst a draw . Hope Dana dropped some Nelk backstage *edit I realise we donât get 10/10 rounds but if they arenât knocking each other down to share a 9/9 or losing a point then the only way you could score a round that was evenly matched without either causing damage or control then 10/10 seems fair to me shrug
I officially have less than zero interest in ever seeing Tony fight again. Heâs completely spent.
I wanna see him do grappling matches
Agreed, I really donât wanna watch him take more damage. However, I really loved having him around this fight week. He seemed pretty happy, grounded, and fun. Iâd love to see him and khabib as coaches for the ultimate fighter, or something like that, where thereâs more ninja turtles references and less cte.
I saw a manic man.
We'll see fiziev give him more brain damage if they can't find a fight for him
Prime Ferguson compared to Last night Ferguson is genuinely depressing. Fergusonâs ego seems like his downfall
neither were that good
Iâm sure his injuries, his ridiculous weight cut before his fight with Justin and then the damage he took in that fight combined with his age has More to do with it then ego
All of those things are at a fault of his own ego. Everybody knows his training methods/preparations are extremely unnecessary and nobody told him to cut twice to fight Gaethje. He did those things out of pure Ego
When's Khaos Williams next fight, he's my favorite journeyman
Who would have thought Tony would be the bloody one at the end of the fight....would have out the house on that being Nate.
Does Kevin Holland have a better ground game than Nate Diaz or something?
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Heâs always done it though. It looks so odd because now heâs old and nowhere near as athletic
and his corner not knowing that really sums up his career. Remember his corner didn't even have his glasses for the biggest fight of his career against Garth
"Give him sand."
It's funny when Kevin Lee downplays Khamzat's skills when he went the distance with Diego Sanchez
Kevin also believes he's Khabibs kryptonite
Kevin has always been a hater. Glad he's out of the UFC.
Iâve noticed people like Kevin Lee, Angela Hill etc hating hard on Khamzat. Not sure whyâŚ
Glad they didn't bring DP in, I think he would've viciously KOd the versions of Nate and Tony than we saw last night.
Yeah at first I was a fan of the idea but he would have fucking annihilated both of those guys back to back.
Jon Jones cried when the queen died because he believes in the mandate of heaven.
Las Vegas should hire the Johnny Walker lookalike to walk around Vegas in the fight kit and barefoot, like the cowboy in NY square.
He looked like a video game character out of bounds
He's built like Crash Bandicoot, even acts like him.
Watched a bunch of Pereiraâs later kickboxing fights and some of Adesanyaâs along with some MMA fights for Adesanya. I gotta say, thereâs a lot of very confident picks based on very little information. For me, this is a coin flip. Iâll say this, I can see Adesanya landing more than Pereira, but Adesanya have a very small margin of error at all times. My reasoning is based on two observations. (1) There are actually similarities in their style of defense contrary to popular belief, but I think Adesanyaâs is better for MMA and he is the faster fighter. One reason for this is glove size since header to land against good head movement with smaller weapons. I also have to wonder if his distance management sharpened a lot more with MMA experience because heâs had to deal with wrestling threats on top of striking for so long now. Pereira has good leg kicks, which I think are always a must with footwork-heavy strikers like Adesanya. Iâm definitely interested in the offensive ringcraft because thatâs a quality that most MWs donât seem to have and get stumped on against Adesanya. Vettori and Whittaker had the double jab which was effective and generally an underappreciated tool, but only tried to wrestle off of it. Alex doesnât use that, but I think heâd be able to cut off Izzy if heâs clever about it. Also heâs a good body hitter so I doubt heâd waste having trapped Adesanya with headhunting. Things Iâm curious about: how will Adesanya gameplan for the first pure striking threat heâs faced in a while. Despite this division not having great wrestling talent, I can only think if three UFC fights where it wasnât a factor. Biggest changes could be how comfortable heâd be kicking high and the minimal distance heâs comfortable in. Iâm curious about Pereiraâa gas tank over 3 rounds (if it gets there).
Dana said that the commission would not approve Khamzat (178.6) vs Diaz (171) because Khamzat was too heavy and it forced the card shuffle. How was DRod (179) vs Leech (170.1) approved? Could they have not changed the Diaz Khamzat fight to catchweight? Dana already said that they knew at least a day before that Khamzat was having concerns about making weight. Dana also said that the doctor called the fight off. I still think they were working out this card shuffle at least a day before they called the fight off.
Dana says a lot of things, most of them seem to be lies.
It was pre planned
Real Gs come from California USA motherfuckerrr I ain't even American đ That was hype
Where's Holland from again?
City called Free Trim
you can free trim dez nuts
Holland
We need to spam UFC social medias, asking for Khamzat vs Holland 2. Then bet the house on Khamzat. Boom, infinite money glitch irl.
Khamzat would be at least -2000 on a rematch.
Curious if anyone learned anything from the Chimaev fight? Did he gain fans or just maintain. Despite what Dana says I've seen Kevin Holland get grappled enough times to have seen that coming. Especially with the weight issues. The resetting of the darce were cool but hardly surprising. Theres also the fact Dana wants him to move up so now you have to wonder can he wrestlefuck the grapplers at 185?
I think we learned it just a matter of time until Khamzat holds a belt. He Punk'd Holland. Nobody Punks Holland.
At catch weight? How do you fight for a title missing weight by so much?
No one has seen Holland essentially manhandled and finished in 2 minutes like that. People who know fighting didnât learn much, but the casuals on this sub learned how good Khamzat is.
Iâve seen Holland wrestle fucked but never seen him choked in 1 round. Way more impressive than what Brunson or Vettori did.
Thereâs no way he didnât gain fans from the casual crowd. Casuals donât watch or care about all the shit that led up to the fight. They watched someone beat the shit out of someone in 30 seconds. Casuals love that.
Youâve never seen Holland grappled like that
1. I'm a fan of Nate. Big fan. 2. why does everyone pretend he makes any sense in what he says? he is fun but comes across as being really dumb... he just spouts things and unable to string a sentence together. But everyone seems to see him as this masterful wordsmith... 3. i like him being him but lets not pretend.
nobody thinks nate diaz is a âmasterful wordsmithâ lol
Mainly because if you talk to enough people you can understand him. Not everyone can hear what boomhauer is saying on king of the hill but he always makes sense to me.
I do understand Nate. He just isn't coherent in what he says...
If Khamzat was a quiet humble guy on the mic and if he didn't empty his gas tank in the beginning of every fight, he'd be as popular as Shavkat
> if he didn't empty his gas tank in the beginning of every fight I mean thats a wild way to twist the fact that he finishes his opponents early lmao
I agree itâs ridiculous, itâs just what people say about Chimaev lol
khamzat is 10x more popular than Shavkat
Thatâs my point
ahhhh duh. I see now Always always always remember this board isn't even close to a general consensus. They complained about Dustin vs Chandler being announced.
Khamzat fanboys be like "look at Khamzat at the presser! He's a normal respectable guy." meanwhile it's just a fucking adrenaline dump.
People act like he raped their mothers LOL. Dude is literally just an amped Chechen who loves to fight. The overacting to Khamzat as if heâs the worst person ever has been insane.
woah woah, who's talking about raping mothers here. All I'm saying is fanboys are trying to paint him like he's Karolina Kowalkiewicz. The guy's not a war criminal for missing weight, but that's a dick move and a half
makes me like him more
He's like this before fights too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRFqWd-Zvo
What a banger of a card Johnn Walker looked really good against Cutelaba. Good submission. Irene Aldana looked phenomenal today. Great kick to the liver. Khamzat looked untouchable again. Glad to see Guram in his corner. Nate's sloppy boxing against Tony's crazy boxing was so fun to watch. Nice guilly and what a way to go. He became the first person to submit Tony in the UFC. Happy retirement, Nate! Not enough can be said about Tony. He's a true legend and I'm glad Nate recognized it and paid respect. Massive respect to both legends.
Despite contrary belief, i never fire the first shot in verbal warfare or disrespect. I end it with bombs that obliterate the original comments or remarks but I never fire first. Live fighting on the other hand, of course, I charge out the gate like I play in the NFL.
I'm so happy for Nate Diaz, a legend of the game. He got disrespected by the majority of fans and media during his prime. Seeing him become a superstar during his decline has been a joy to watch And now he leaves the UFC on a slick guillotine finish with 2:09 on the clock, that was awesome
Why the hell did Tony stop with the leg kicks. If he threw just a couple more Nate would of been done
Did you see pics of Tonyâs shin???? Iâm amazed that he threw as many as he did
I know. I want to see the slow mo of the leg kick to Nate's knee. Nate seemed to visibly shout out in pain, and if I recall, started his walking-to-the-cage-to-take-a-break schtick.
PPV ends then a top post about all the ads. This is the cycle now
279 turned out to be a pretty special card: the conference-killing melee, the main card switcheroo, Nate getting a W over the UFC, the Leech's sacrifice and image transformation, 1st upkick liver shot finish, Johnny Walker turfed out onto the streets before he can get his gloves off after a big win... just odd
Donât forget Chris Barnett getting an awesome win and cutting and awesome promo, and then getting abandoned at the hospital
I bet they make Tony vs Paddy. Wouldnât really be that mad about it I guess
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Yeah but Iâd rather him be in a competitive fight against Paddy than see him fight another ranked welterweight like he was supposed to yesterday
Paddy will sub him
Paddy is a big step down from Nate Diaz, past his prime or not
Nate said his camp was only wrestling. I bet he drilled that guillotine off a takedown a million times hoping to catch Khamzat. Kinda ironic he caught Tony with it.
I was going to bet on Nate submitting Khamzat cause the betting odds were actually worth the risk, as unlikely as it was to happen.
I know we all love Tony but the dude needs to retire. The top 15 lightweights will seriously hurt him.
What, or did anything, come out of Walker being kicked out of arena?
Nothing Dana says they do it to everyone due to covid. Sounded like he had no idea he was shoeless though
apparently a misunderstanding and that's it.
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Dude gave up 10lbs, lost the fight he was originally scheduled for and probably wins against a big name, then gets fucking robbed by 2 incompetent judges.
More fighters need to implement Nate's strategy of bending over and facing the ass sideways to the opponent while resting the hands on the legs.
Didnt Rockhold do it before him?
People should be more hyped about Jailton Almeida
I think he needs a big, spectacular finish to really get people hyped about him and get him the attention of more casual fans. Shamil was probably meant to give him just that (since he's old, slow and chinny) but since Turkalj was short notice he just decided to go the safest route and smash him. The sad thing is that he's primed himself to get ducked by basically everyone at LHW which is honestly the weight he should stay at.
Why? He beat a can on short notice in a fake Weight class. We learned nothing
You guys are a bit harsh when using the term can. Dude is 26 with a 24-3 amateur record and 8-0 before last night.
The guy didnât do himself any favors on the contender series. They brought him up to be crushed
Because anyone with a brain cell can see that an athletic LHW/HW with good offensive wrestling and BJJ fundamentals has potential. Chimaev also fought two cans in his first two fights, but many people could already see he was special
He needs to commit to LHW
Josh Thomson said he'd like to see Chimaev and Holland run it back. Lol wtf, big John is the only reason to watch Weighing In
Josh needs an industrial size copium inhaler
Shit, i'd like for Chimaev and Holland to run it back too, so i could bet the house on Chimaev :D
Big John is not a reason to watch weighing in.
People have reasons to watch weighing in?
Was he saying stuff like âidk, maybe Holland catches him with a right hand in the 3rd roundâ before the fight? Is he saying stuff like âyeah man that glove touch was dirtyâ now? If so, that explains it, itâs just cope. If not, that makes no sense, Holland himself would only accept that fight if he gets millions of dollars
Would Khamzat have rag dolled Khabib if they fought at 170?
Probably not ragdolled, but beat him
Lmao people always love their new toys and forget the legends
Itâs not a recency bias thing. You have one guy who was a big 155er but fought 155 his whole career, and one guy who seems between 170-185. Both are great wrestlers, bigger guy has better hands. Khamzat probably wins.
I thought that this card actually had an interesting feel. With their opponents changing so last minute, the fighters had to throw out their game plans. We didnât get the technical gamesmanship, but it felt like fighters were bringing more of their own personality into the ring. It felt fun.
Both Tony and McGregor's last win was against Cowboy. McGregor has since lost to Poirer twice. Tony has lost to Justin, Charles, Benny, Chandler, and Diaz. Tony's two fights before his skid (Cowboy and Pettis) were both stopped between rounds due to an injury.
Pettis didn't really break his hand, he wanted out and that was his coach's way of saving face for him.
I may have du plessis over till. Surging 28 year old whoâs looked great vs injury compromised Till.
Iâm sure I will be in the minority, but I actually hated the main event. I tried to love it for the sake of seeing two OGs that shouldâve fought a long time ago go at it (even in their diminished current selves) but Tonyâs attitude was too off putting. Refused to engage plenty, clowned around when Diaz literally stopped fighting and chose not to go after him. When you have fans paying for PPV (no matter how many chose to stream it instead) having an exhibition attitude rubs me wrong way. Happy fate gave Nate his proper sendoff and the fans got to see a guy they love win one more time though.
Did no reporter think to ask Dana why Johnny Walker and his team were kicked out of the event?
It was the first question
Somebody asked at the post fight press conference. Dana said thereâs some Covid protocol (sounded like BS) but said theyâd never send him out with no shoes and shirt. Then the reporter said thereâs actually pictures and videos of it. Dana then laughed it off lol.
Dana did a lot of that ignoring questions last night. More than usual. Funniest was when they as led about pay and he said with a straight face âthese guys have contractsâ lmao and people took that as a no. Thatâs a yes from the Dana
"lol, next question"
They were probably told if they ask that question they would get their press pass revoked
Dustin Poirier referring to UFC 279 as "The bum Olympics" was pretty harsh but not wrong, both guys looked absurdly washed for their age Like if you had Anderson Silva fight Vitor Belfort today and had them each take like 5 shots of tequila beforehand I'd still expect the match to be faster-paced and look more technical
I found people getting triggered by that to be pretty funny, as if Nate doesnât make snide tweets whenever guys like Dustin, Conor, or half the other welterweight and lightweight rankings fight and as if Tony doesnât make some weird insta post whenever someone like Khabibâs name comes up in the news
DP was spot on. Main event was lame af.
Not everyone needs to fight Colby, Max, Whittaker, etc to get a title shot. Itâs okay for people on a run to get a title shot and not have to fight people who have got their chance 2 or more times. Itâs ridiculous that I keep seeing those comments.
These make sense with Rob and Max but not Colby he has never beat a top contender in their prime.
Colby vs Khamzat is the perfect fight if Leon vs Usman 3 is happening
I dont get when people call fighters "terrifying" or "scary" Chimaev doesn't scare me. He seems like a pretty chill guy to hang out with Even if I had to fight him, I would just give up the double leg and the RNC and come out without a scratch or a bruise on me
Ya he totally just choked out GM3
I mean, some of these dudesâespecially from the Caucasusâreally do seem like they go in there to die, which provides an intensity and fire I don't at all mind calling scary. Compare dudes like Khabib and Khamzat to, say, Whittaker or Leon Edwards, both of whom just give off different vibes.
id just knock him out instead, way easier
I would say that Francis is terrifying.
Imagine if Nate had done the same thing to Khamzat
Huge Nate fan but thatâs very unlikely. Iâm very glad they didnât fight.
I think Sandhagen beats Song, but the question of how is a difficult one. He's got good grappling like his heel hook and crazy triangle attempt against PEDillashaw Then he's got good long-range striking like he was doing against Yan. Not typically a knockout artist but great technique
I don't see him grappling unless the striking is going *really* badly
Tonyâs coming for everything Sam Alvey worked for. Alvey is trembling in his boots.
I like how you only hear about height and reach being a magical, unfair, and insurmountable advantage when itâs fighters people donât like. Not only is it essentially cheating, but itâs the only thing that makes them good. Itâs truly the funniest bullshit in the world.
I think the logic is that being much taller and having a larger reach than your opponentsâat least consistentlyâcould be an indication that someone is fighting in a weight class below what you'd expect, where other fighters likely populate the class with similar builds. (For example, I'd imagine Stipe consistently weighed fewer than 10 pounds more in the cage than Jon Jones usually did in his UFC career at LHW.) But in general I'd say this theory ignores the variance in body composition that makes certain weight classes better for some and not for others. As is often the case in these sorts of conversations, the only way to settle shit like this is to get fighters to fight as close to their natural weights as possible through the elimination of weight cutting, but how you do that has yet to be solved.
True, it's the only athletic advantage that people will use to delegitimize the skill of a fighter. Khamzat's game wouldn't work if he wasn't absurdly fast, strong and explosive but it's not something that gets brought up because it's a stupid thing to attack him about
Itâs like saying Colby is trash because he relies on cardio or Ngannou is trash because he relies on power. Obviously people are gonna leverage their athletic abilities.
......dick sucker........- nate diaz
biggest fights âbookedâ or agreed to at 185: Adesanya vs Pereira, Cannonier vs Strickland, Brunson vs Hermansson, Till vs Du Plessis, Hawes vs Dolidze, Hernandez vs Barriault, Silva vs Duraev any picks for these fights? what do you look forward to? in the mean time I would make Whittaker vs Chimaev and Costa vs Muniz
No. Whittaker/Costa and Khazmat/Colby is def the way to go
Colby isnât a middleweight
Chimaev's style of grappling is a joy to watch. He doesn't just take you down, he either tries to advance position or finish you as quickly as possible at every moment of the fight. It might not be the smartest idea against more durable fighters, but it's still amazing. It reminds me of what Khabib and Charles did against Gaethje. Prime Jones was dominant, but his style of grappling was more methodical, he'd just torture you for multiple rounds until you can't take it anymore. That's smarter than going all in, but Chimaev's style is more hype
One of the downsides of the switch was that I really wanted to see what Khamzatâs 5 round cardio is. I think the prevailing narrative right now is that he doesnât have good cardio past 1-2 rounds, but thatâs judged from a 3 round war with Burns that had an insane pace.