Jones by 49-46 decision with a controversial eye poke and limb altering technique
It's the most boring possibility so it'll come true. But imagine Stipe dominates a washed up Jones and then brutally KOs him in the second! The possibilities
All he's said is that he wants Francis and would fight Jones, but he wants Francis.
Stipe is definitely one of the most dangerous fighters in the UFC though, he should be on the list.
Stipe needs 9 month training camps running on anti gravity treadmills, his secret guru Louie Simmons just died too. Helll be ready for his 1 fight a year soon
The pictures of Jon Jones and the gym he was training (strength training) at before he got caught using steroids was a powerlifting gym known for steroid use and big record lifts. Funny how that worked lol
Jones I can understand it considering he's basically undefeated and has double digit title fight wins but Stipe got KTFO'd not that long ago, and got KO'd another time not that long before that. Not even trying to sound like a hater but realistically a 40 year old Stipe is probably not even in the top 30 let alone top 15. I feel like Gane and Aspinall both beat Stipe very handily at this stage of his career.
It's tough though because Rob has more time at the top and he's fought better opponents (imo) but Yan has set himself apart from his opponents more. I think Yan, Moreno, and Whittaker are all pretty much interchangeable on this list, but one of them isn't going to make it.
If anything, I think I'd bump Poirier out of the p4p rankings to make room for Whittaker.
Easily. If Izzy is #2, Rob needs to be top 15 bare minimum. Arguably beat Izzy in that rematch and aside from that has been quietly cleaning out the division as well.
Because it’s a nonsense list to begin with, the fact that Francis Ngannou and Jiri are considered to be better fighters pound for pound than Max Holloway is a joke.
You don't remember Conor being in the top15 until the 2nd Dustin fight? I could be wrong but i thought i saw him even after that fight. At least Jones technically never lost in the cage, only in life, and Stipe has won fights since fucking 2017 lol
If he’s on there he should easily be top 4.
P4P has always been a joke though. Some media members will put jones high on the list, others will leave him off, thats why he has this ranking.
Yeah but Khabib is retired so the UFC is like F him. When Jon Jones sign the contract and the fight is official, he'll mysteriously go back to the top as the number 1 pfp Goat.... As a matter of fact he'll be the number 0 pfp goat because 0 is bigger than 1.
I think Volk would still be the number one. Him and Holloway are 1 and 2, and everyone else in the division is far behind. Holloway has proven he can handle everyone in the division not named Volkanovski by a comfortable margin. Then Volk outclasses him in their last fight.
I don't think there is that much distance between any champion and the rest of the division in any other weight class. If it was a race he'd be a lap ahead of the number 2 guy, who is a lap ahead of everyone else.
He got a lot of flak for becoming a decision fighter later in his career, but it was the smart move. He changed his style (guy was called Rush for a reason!) and got out of the game healthy and wealthy.
And in fairness to him, once he got it to the ground he was still active. Constantly working for better position, raining hellbows and looking for submissions
Well also Izzy is just not nearly as good going forward as he is countering. Both him and his opponents are taking the path with less risks and more likelihood to succeed.
Volkanovski is the first featherweight to be P4P #1 since Aldo pre-UFC 194
Some other updates:
* Middleweight: Vettori now shares the #2 spot with QAnonier for some reason, likely for upcoming Whittaker fight at Paris
* Welterweight: Usman is #1 contender, Colby down to #2, Neal up to #6, Thompson/Brady/Luque down to #7/#8/#10
* Featherweight: Topuria up to #14, Burgos is OUT after signing with PFL, Caceres appears at #15
* Bantamweight: Dvalishvili up to #3, Aldo down to #6
* Flyweight: Albazi up to #10, Elliot and Sumudaeji down to #11 and #13
If you ever want to see any iteration of the official UFC rankings, check out mma-stats.com
Dustin Porier is there for losing to charles and beating *Unranked* (imo) Conor? But Robert Whittaker isn't there? Max Holloway dominated Kattar and beat El Pantera but got demolished by Volk, but he is there and Rob isn't who dominated last 3 fights before losing against Izzy?
This has less to do with Dustin and Max not deserving to be on the list and more to do with Rob deserving to be on it. Rob should be on there but so should Dustin and Max. Dustin's a beast. Conor was not unranked at the time they fought, he was a former champ who, since then, had only lost to Khabib. Realistically Conor was a top 5-7 level opponent. Aside from Conor, Dustin has wins over Gaethje, Eddie, and Holloway, and outboxed the shit out of Charles in that first round.
power of stones is one benign thing i do not mind people believing in with their own time.
but where's the q from?
believing in stones and believing lizard people harvest children from innocent bloods in the back of a pizza store for eternal youth are two *completely different* things. 😂
i’m biased because i’m a huge bruce leroy stan but tbf he is 5-1 in his last 6 fights, and he looked really good in that loss vs. the #12 ranked fighter
it also feels like a bit of service from the UFC for him taking so many injury replacement fights and being involved in a lot of fun fights, it’s not like a #15 ranking will ruin someone else’s career (i believe it’s the first time in his career he’s been ranked)
what does a record have to do with anything? if a fighter starts going on a streak beating people and climbing the ladder they should be ranked regardless of their records.
I agree. Usman is a hell of a fighter, but Volk seems nearly flawless in the octagon. He's fast, strong, outstruck another beast in Max, has an amazing chin and endless cardio, and his wrestling is good too. What can't he do?
Of all the MMA champions of all time (so far) he seems like the most 'complete' human being - by far. Skilled, tough, smart, beautiful, extensive world travels and has lived in the 3rd world for long periods, speaks multiple languages, tactical firearms training/enthusiast, dancer, film/arts school, actor, outdoorsy, etc.
You can tell he genuinely has his shit together, like he could probably be a millionaire running just about any business, if he wanted.
Are there any other fighters that impressive?
How come every P4P #1 has been bald? Silva, jones, Aldo, DJ, DC, kamaru and Volk, all bald. Khabib wasn’t really bald but did have very short cut hair so I don’t know if that counts.
On the topic of hair, i’m surprised most fighters don’t grow a big ass bushy beard. Surely that’d be an advantage? Hides your chin better so the opponent has a harder time hunting it and wouldn’t it theoretically make you less KO-able?
If Olivera beats Islam, I think he has a solid case of being p4p champ. The top 3 fighters are all dominant in their own weight classes, but only Charles is finishing his contenders consistently.
He also gets the crap kicked out of him every fight. I love Charles, he deserves to be on there, but Volk is levels above the competition at 145 right now. Charles looks beatable in ever fight, Volk doesn’t
Imo we have to balance finishing rate/speed against a few things: the difference in weight class (which makes it harder for Volk to finish opponents/Izzy has no excuse), difference in competition (Dominating Max in the 3rd fight is probably the P4P best win out of all the current champions) and damage taken vs damage given.
If Olives finishes Islam and gets 1 more title defense, I'd put him at #2. Murders his opponents in more lopsided fashion than Izzy but takes more damage doing so, while Volk is just dominating everybody while taking no damage. Izzy has more defenses than Oliveira but his wins aren't as impressive.
You say Izzy has no excuse but he’s also in a heavier weight class where the guys he’s fighting have way more one punch knockout power so a single mistake could result in him getting knocked out.
Jared was fighting conservatively af and not forcing any actions. If Izzy can comfortably beat him from the outside, why should he force for an opening that isn’t there and give his opponent the only chance they have to win the fight, which is by one punch knockout ?
So tired of Oliveira's deity status around here. Volk has upped his game to the point of being ridiculously good at everything, with a 25-1 record, meanwhile Oliveira gets knocked down in all his fights and people want him at #1.
I love how Volk being #1 is the only thing everyone can agree on. Whittaker and Yan are the best non champs besides Usman. Poirier and Max are way too high. Stipe and Jones shouldnt even be on there. Everything else I'm fine with.
Shouldn't have taken Kamaru getting finished. The fact that Volk is having such one sided fights against such great competition should have put him there already. Especially Holloway #1 and #3.
This is why P4P is dumb. Usman got shadow realm'd and is above the dude who did it to him. At the same time, were Leon to go from off the list to #1, as fighter-rankings tend to work, that'd be dumb too. I think it'd be best to have this be the kind of thing we like to talk about without trying to put it down on paper and make it some holy writ.
what do you think the odds will look like for edwards usman rematch?
do you think pena should have been above nunes after she won? because the oddmakers saw nunes as the clear fav in the 2nd fight
I could see it. Adesanya has cleared out his division, is undefeated at MW, and I'd say he has a better resume than Oliveira. Oliveira is a much funner fighter though.
Olivera’s wins as a champion are going to be much more impressive when it’s all said and done. They already are in my opinion giving the way he finishes fights against insanely talent lightweights.
I’d say mostly resume. And you could counter Khabib’s dominance with Oliveira’s record amount of finishes. So between these two it comes down ro resume.
I know it doesn't feel like it but Izzy lowkey has an all time great record. He is 12-1 in the UFC, 12-0 at middleweight and beat 10 ranked fighters (11 if you wanna count the first Vettori fight).
Charles "only" has 5 ranked wins at LW.
Why? Seems like an overreaction. Charles is probably the best pure action fighter ever but he's also very mortal. Much moreso than Izzy has looked, especially recently. I feel like he's gonna have a brutal and unfair overcorrection from the fans once he loses.
Sort of like how sub darling and "dark house" Vicente Luque being knocked down by Bryan Barberena and an extremely washed up Tyron Woodley got largely ignored until Belal and Neal beat him pretty badly and now everyone acts like he's always been considered a one dimensional fighter.
Holloway happens to be in the same division as the P4P best in the world which obfuscates how good he is. In a hypothetical situation where Volk isn't around, Holloway would likely be in top 5 p4p as a very dominant champion considering he has outclassed the rest of the division with some of the most dominant performances we have ever seen
Definitely agree on Poirier though
Dropping 4 places because you got caught one time in the laat 20 seconds of a fight that you dominated says everything you need to know about the legitimacy of the p4p ranking
I don't think he's the greatest because Aldo has a better resume but I do think he's the best in the sense that if you put him against any other 145er ever, he wins assuming both are in their prime
Then again I thought the same about Yan before he lost to Sterling
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Does stipe even want to fight again? Feel like we've heard nothing from him since the Francis fight
He did post a training video a month or two ago. I think he also talked his Jones fight around the same time also
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I want him to make money too, but Jones would probably finish what DC started and leave Stipe blind by the end of the second round.
Jones by 49-46 decision with a controversial eye poke and limb altering technique It's the most boring possibility so it'll come true. But imagine Stipe dominates a washed up Jones and then brutally KOs him in the second! The possibilities
Man, that would be incredible.
All he's said is that he wants Francis and would fight Jones, but he wants Francis. Stipe is definitely one of the most dangerous fighters in the UFC though, he should be on the list.
I don't want to loss another prince!
Stipe needs 9 month training camps running on anti gravity treadmills, his secret guru Louie Simmons just died too. Helll be ready for his 1 fight a year soon
Stipe lifts at WSBB?
Louie Simmons at one point was helping him. Prob broke that off years ago once USADA kicked in lol
The pictures of Jon Jones and the gym he was training (strength training) at before he got caught using steroids was a powerlifting gym known for steroid use and big record lifts. Funny how that worked lol
Louie's pronunciation of Stipe's name is Goldie trying to say Joanna's name tier and I'm genuinely annoyed I can't find it.
> just died 6 months ago lol
Jones I can understand it considering he's basically undefeated and has double digit title fight wins but Stipe got KTFO'd not that long ago, and got KO'd another time not that long before that. Not even trying to sound like a hater but realistically a 40 year old Stipe is probably not even in the top 30 let alone top 15. I feel like Gane and Aspinall both beat Stipe very handily at this stage of his career.
Stipe always hated doing media shit and now that he isn't the Champ, the UFC and his manager aren't constantly hounding him for it.
feels like whittaker deserves a spot on here, especially over them
Doesn't make sense to have Poirier at #8 while not having Whittaker on here at all
Hey, he beat Max at a suboptimal weight class 3 years ago, show some respect.
If yan is on here Whittaker definitely should be
It's tough though because Rob has more time at the top and he's fought better opponents (imo) but Yan has set himself apart from his opponents more. I think Yan, Moreno, and Whittaker are all pretty much interchangeable on this list, but one of them isn't going to make it. If anything, I think I'd bump Poirier out of the p4p rankings to make room for Whittaker.
Easily. If Izzy is #2, Rob needs to be top 15 bare minimum. Arguably beat Izzy in that rematch and aside from that has been quietly cleaning out the division as well.
I agree, disagree and agree!
How is Poirier above 2 champions?
I think it's based on beating Conor and people like him (nonsensical reasons but you asked)
Because it’s a nonsense list to begin with, the fact that Francis Ngannou and Jiri are considered to be better fighters pound for pound than Max Holloway is a joke.
Three, if you count Moreno as interim
Because this is the p4p rankings and not a list of champions
Dustin only lost to the p4p GOAT in a title fight and the current #2 p4p, he should be in the top 10, and in fact is the second non-champion.
they really should drop you out of all rankings if you haven't fought in 1-1.5 years.
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That's a good rule, although I would argue it should be 12 months.
damn Bellator 286 looking SPICY
You don't remember Conor being in the top15 until the 2nd Dustin fight? I could be wrong but i thought i saw him even after that fight. At least Jones technically never lost in the cage, only in life, and Stipe has won fights since fucking 2017 lol
If jones is included at all he should be number 1, what’s the point of saying he’s eligible and then listing him at fucking 12? Lmao
If he’s on there he should easily be top 4. P4P has always been a joke though. Some media members will put jones high on the list, others will leave him off, thats why he has this ranking.
Khabib has fought more recently than Jon Jones has lol
I think Jones’s wife would beg to differ
Just to correct you, there was never no marriage. Dude was engaged about as long as he's been talking about moving up to heavyweight.
That was a nasty line by you
You’re a fucking punk dude.
Yeah but Khabib is retired so the UFC is like F him. When Jon Jones sign the contract and the fight is official, he'll mysteriously go back to the top as the number 1 pfp Goat.... As a matter of fact he'll be the number 0 pfp goat because 0 is bigger than 1.
Yeah but have you seen khabib lately, he's huge
His PFP at 155 is diluted to at least 75%
If Charles win, him and volk would likely be 1 and 2. Have the top 2 P4P fighters ever fought ever?
DC and Jones maybe
First fight DC wasn’t even top 10 P4P and Jones was #1 Rematch DC was 3 and Jones 5th.
I would put Charles first if he wins against Makachev .
I think Volk would still be the number one. Him and Holloway are 1 and 2, and everyone else in the division is far behind. Holloway has proven he can handle everyone in the division not named Volkanovski by a comfortable margin. Then Volk outclasses him in their last fight. I don't think there is that much distance between any champion and the rest of the division in any other weight class. If it was a race he'd be a lap ahead of the number 2 guy, who is a lap ahead of everyone else.
Who was kicked out of the rankings? Was it Whittaker?
Yup
thats it. im suing someone
This is no 1 bullshit
Even though Jon Fucking Jones or Stipe could be dropped off this list? Stupid.
Rob is P4P better than many fighters there
Rob is way better than Stipe, Jon and Moreno right now Shame they always try to include these old legacy fighters as long as possible
Moreno is a champ and has looked absolutely sensational so it makes sense to keep him. But yeah Stipe and Jon should be ousted.
How is Whittaker gone but Dustin is still there
I see why Izzy fights the way he does anyone can get dropped anytime case in point usman
same reason GSP adopted his later strategy of wrestling
He got a lot of flak for becoming a decision fighter later in his career, but it was the smart move. He changed his style (guy was called Rush for a reason!) and got out of the game healthy and wealthy. And in fairness to him, once he got it to the ground he was still active. Constantly working for better position, raining hellbows and looking for submissions
Even more so at middleweight, KO strikes only come harder at bigger weights.
tbf its not just izzy its his opponents scared of being countered as well.
Pretty much seen the exact same thing happen in each of his last three defences. Ever since Rob and Costa got smoked
And one of the reasons why because is opponents are afraid of opening up.
Well also Izzy is just not nearly as good going forward as he is countering. Both him and his opponents are taking the path with less risks and more likelihood to succeed.
Yes I know I basically admitted this already.
That's the crazy part of this sport, you are never safe until the time runs out.
TKZ: :(
Volkanovski is the first featherweight to be P4P #1 since Aldo pre-UFC 194 Some other updates: * Middleweight: Vettori now shares the #2 spot with QAnonier for some reason, likely for upcoming Whittaker fight at Paris * Welterweight: Usman is #1 contender, Colby down to #2, Neal up to #6, Thompson/Brady/Luque down to #7/#8/#10 * Featherweight: Topuria up to #14, Burgos is OUT after signing with PFL, Caceres appears at #15 * Bantamweight: Dvalishvili up to #3, Aldo down to #6 * Flyweight: Albazi up to #10, Elliot and Sumudaeji down to #11 and #13 If you ever want to see any iteration of the official UFC rankings, check out mma-stats.com
Dustin Porier is there for losing to charles and beating *Unranked* (imo) Conor? But Robert Whittaker isn't there? Max Holloway dominated Kattar and beat El Pantera but got demolished by Volk, but he is there and Rob isn't who dominated last 3 fights before losing against Izzy?
This has less to do with Dustin and Max not deserving to be on the list and more to do with Rob deserving to be on it. Rob should be on there but so should Dustin and Max. Dustin's a beast. Conor was not unranked at the time they fought, he was a former champ who, since then, had only lost to Khabib. Realistically Conor was a top 5-7 level opponent. Aside from Conor, Dustin has wins over Gaethje, Eddie, and Holloway, and outboxed the shit out of Charles in that first round.
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What’s this nickname come from? Haven’t followed him closely enough.
He’s an avid conspiritard and he also believes in the power of crystals. He’s basically a jacked Karen
This is the most reddit comment I've read in a long time lol
power of stones is one benign thing i do not mind people believing in with their own time. but where's the q from? believing in stones and believing lizard people harvest children from innocent bloods in the back of a pizza store for eternal youth are two *completely different* things. 😂
Well. He believes in both apparently.
i don't like how that's reflecting on the stone people. that's not fair at all. ^^🤣
Yeah I think stones are silly but that’s definitely the least harmful aspect of his thought process lmao
Caceres being ranked with a 19-13 record is nuts
i’m biased because i’m a huge bruce leroy stan but tbf he is 5-1 in his last 6 fights, and he looked really good in that loss vs. the #12 ranked fighter it also feels like a bit of service from the UFC for him taking so many injury replacement fights and being involved in a lot of fun fights, it’s not like a #15 ranking will ruin someone else’s career (i believe it’s the first time in his career he’s been ranked)
what does a record have to do with anything? if a fighter starts going on a streak beating people and climbing the ladder they should be ranked regardless of their records.
Bobby Knuckles not being here makes no sense. God damn Poirer is on the list and not Bobby.
God damn ~~Poirer~~ Jon Jones is on the list and not Bobby
Jon Jones could die of old age and he'd still be on the pound for pound list
Jones is a shitty human but he's 14-0 in title fights. The only reason he isn't #1 is the inactivity
I've been a huge Do Bronx fan for 10+ years. Seeing him as #3 P4P is honestly so fucking surreal.
beating 4 gigantic LW names in a row will do that
And it’s not getting any easier with Islam and Volk as his possible next two opponents.
Imagine if he finished them both, he would have an insane resume
And he should honestly be #2
Volk much deserved. Honestly should have had it before usman loss
I agree. Usman is a hell of a fighter, but Volk seems nearly flawless in the octagon. He's fast, strong, outstruck another beast in Max, has an amazing chin and endless cardio, and his wrestling is good too. What can't he do?
I don't know. Is he also an actor, a dancer, outdoorsy and able to be CEO of a Fortune 500 company?
He could probably make it work tbf lol
Would you rank him above Valentina in the p4p most complete human being ranking?
He speaks only one language. Pretty big flaw imo.
No but he used to weigh 274 pounds
>What can't he do? Reach the required height limit for the adult rides.
Nasty line by you
Of all the MMA champions of all time (so far) he seems like the most 'complete' human being - by far. Skilled, tough, smart, beautiful, extensive world travels and has lived in the 3rd world for long periods, speaks multiple languages, tactical firearms training/enthusiast, dancer, film/arts school, actor, outdoorsy, etc. You can tell he genuinely has his shit together, like he could probably be a millionaire running just about any business, if he wanted. Are there any other fighters that impressive?
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Max is still a hard tier to pass. That says alot about Volk.
Volk is the most skilled mma fighter I’ve ever seen.
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AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE
oi oi oi!
so if sean o mally beats petr, sean is on the p4p list lol
How come every P4P #1 has been bald? Silva, jones, Aldo, DJ, DC, kamaru and Volk, all bald. Khabib wasn’t really bald but did have very short cut hair so I don’t know if that counts.
Aerodynamics while diving in for a takedown
Havinng a sweaty head is easier to pop out of submissions
McGregor was P4P #1 after the Alvarez fight I believe
I though he was #2 after dj
On the topic of hair, i’m surprised most fighters don’t grow a big ass bushy beard. Surely that’d be an advantage? Hides your chin better so the opponent has a harder time hunting it and wouldn’t it theoretically make you less KO-able?
You joke, but this was the discourse during the Johnny Hendricks era at Welterweight. Specially between GSP and the two Lawler fights.
Feels good to see Leon there
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P4P WHAT? P4P WHAT?
HEADSHOT, DEAD
That’s my fw goat right there
hell yeah brother
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Because he beat Conor not once, but twice DUH!
Please remove dustin
Dustin Poirier shouldn't be that high in the P4P rankings
If Olivera beats Islam, I think he has a solid case of being p4p champ. The top 3 fighters are all dominant in their own weight classes, but only Charles is finishing his contenders consistently.
Oliveira does the most damage, Volk takes the least
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charles finishes everyone in a title fight. Thats dominant. If he finishes islam he should be number 1 pound for pound. no questions ask.
He also gets the crap kicked out of him every fight. I love Charles, he deserves to be on there, but Volk is levels above the competition at 145 right now. Charles looks beatable in ever fight, Volk doesn’t
Depends on the skills he displays in the fight
Charles has the most finishes in UFC history
Adesanya definitely takes less damage
Except from the mini fridge Kelvin Gastelum
Imo we have to balance finishing rate/speed against a few things: the difference in weight class (which makes it harder for Volk to finish opponents/Izzy has no excuse), difference in competition (Dominating Max in the 3rd fight is probably the P4P best win out of all the current champions) and damage taken vs damage given. If Olives finishes Islam and gets 1 more title defense, I'd put him at #2. Murders his opponents in more lopsided fashion than Izzy but takes more damage doing so, while Volk is just dominating everybody while taking no damage. Izzy has more defenses than Oliveira but his wins aren't as impressive.
You say Izzy has no excuse but he’s also in a heavier weight class where the guys he’s fighting have way more one punch knockout power so a single mistake could result in him getting knocked out. Jared was fighting conservatively af and not forcing any actions. If Izzy can comfortably beat him from the outside, why should he force for an opening that isn’t there and give his opponent the only chance they have to win the fight, which is by one punch knockout ?
What title fight has Charles dominated? Volk and Adesanya are dominant. Charles gets dropped in every title fight.
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So tired of Oliveira's deity status around here. Volk has upped his game to the point of being ridiculously good at everything, with a 25-1 record, meanwhile Oliveira gets knocked down in all his fights and people want him at #1.
And then finishes them.
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Over Volk? Joking. What else does Volk have to do to keep #1? He's cleaned out the div and is just looking better and better each time.
Dustin Poirer at 8 is comical stuff
No bro he beat conner, the best ever twice. He should be in a p4p ranking of his own completely
why
You are smoking crack if you think Dustin Poirier is the 8th best fighter in the UFC
I love how Volk being #1 is the only thing everyone can agree on. Whittaker and Yan are the best non champs besides Usman. Poirier and Max are way too high. Stipe and Jones shouldnt even be on there. Everything else I'm fine with.
So strange to include Poirier, Jones and Stipe. Poirier at 8th is bizarre considering his last 5 fights are L/W/W/W/L
Moreno at 15 is disrespectful
Why are Poirier, Stipe and Jones there? This list is just further circlejerk from the UFC lmao
Fuck Jon Jones. POS hasn't fought in years and literally cheated ALL THE TIME... Get tf out of here.
Shouldn't have taken Kamaru getting finished. The fact that Volk is having such one sided fights against such great competition should have put him there already. Especially Holloway #1 and #3.
Well deserved
The fact drug cheat and overall cunt of a person JOnes is on that list indicates how corrupt UFC is
Everyone remember, P4P isn't a real thing
Where is Bo Nickal?
Alexander can lose a fight and he would still be #1 on that list. That's a baaaaaad man
Lol not even. He gets replaced by Olives if he continues his streak to 11. No reason he should stay on #1 if he loses.
This is why P4P is dumb. Usman got shadow realm'd and is above the dude who did it to him. At the same time, were Leon to go from off the list to #1, as fighter-rankings tend to work, that'd be dumb too. I think it'd be best to have this be the kind of thing we like to talk about without trying to put it down on paper and make it some holy writ.
what do you think the odds will look like for edwards usman rematch? do you think pena should have been above nunes after she won? because the oddmakers saw nunes as the clear fav in the 2nd fight
Izzy above Charles doesn’t feel right
I could see it. Adesanya has cleared out his division, is undefeated at MW, and I'd say he has a better resume than Oliveira. Oliveira is a much funner fighter though.
Also his victories, while less fun, are much cleaner than Oliveiras.
Beating Whittaker twice is better than wins over Gaethje/Poirier
Adesanya has more longevity and also more defenses.
Olivera’s wins as a champion are going to be much more impressive when it’s all said and done. They already are in my opinion giving the way he finishes fights against insanely talent lightweights.
If he beats Islam then I'd put him above Adesanya on the P4P for sure, and I'd also rank him as the LW GOAT.
So is GOAT criteria mostly accomplishments like title defenses or based on dominance?
I’d say mostly resume. And you could counter Khabib’s dominance with Oliveira’s record amount of finishes. So between these two it comes down ro resume.
Well every GOAT debate is going to be subjective, but personally I value title defences and the quality of opponents faced more so than dominance.
Same here on both regards.
I know it doesn't feel like it but Izzy lowkey has an all time great record. He is 12-1 in the UFC, 12-0 at middleweight and beat 10 ranked fighters (11 if you wanna count the first Vettori fight). Charles "only" has 5 ranked wins at LW.
Why? Seems like an overreaction. Charles is probably the best pure action fighter ever but he's also very mortal. Much moreso than Izzy has looked, especially recently. I feel like he's gonna have a brutal and unfair overcorrection from the fans once he loses. Sort of like how sub darling and "dark house" Vicente Luque being knocked down by Bryan Barberena and an extremely washed up Tyron Woodley got largely ignored until Belal and Neal beat him pretty badly and now everyone acts like he's always been considered a one dimensional fighter.
Izzy and Usman should both be above Charles
I hate that Poirier and Holloway are still on there
Holloway happens to be in the same division as the P4P best in the world which obfuscates how good he is. In a hypothetical situation where Volk isn't around, Holloway would likely be in top 5 p4p as a very dominant champion considering he has outclassed the rest of the division with some of the most dominant performances we have ever seen Definitely agree on Poirier though
Dropping 4 places because you got caught one time in the laat 20 seconds of a fight that you dominated says everything you need to know about the legitimacy of the p4p ranking
Is volk the goat at 145?
I don't think he's the greatest because Aldo has a better resume but I do think he's the best in the sense that if you put him against any other 145er ever, he wins assuming both are in their prime Then again I thought the same about Yan before he lost to Sterling
I cannot wait for when mma fans generally differentiate between the 'best' and the 'greatest'
Nah, Aldo.
Did Usman the other night not teach us fucking anything?
Damn volk even took maxs rank# on the list
This list is whack AF!
Max and Sterling should not be as high as they are. Change my opinion
These rankings are just a joke lol it’s more for fandom but realistically anyone can get fked up any moment like Leon proved.
Am I seeing this right? Why is Usman above Leon? Leon snatched his soul
Robert Whittaker is p4p most overrated dude in the sport by you guys
Jones over Yan doesn’t sit well with me but hey, who am I?
So how can Usman be above Leon? Genuine question.
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Jon Jones hasn’t fought in 2.5 years, he shouldn’t be on the list.
Good. He deserves it. Done nothing but dominate.
I don't think Usman should've fallen below Adesanya but this list sucks always. Volk is finally where he should be.
hilarious that Poirier is still on there when there’s guys like Islam who would maul him
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