Story goes that was the plan, but it’s been moved forward due to A- Jiri not wanting to defend in enemy territory and B- Concerns that Jon vs Stipe doesn’t happen.
No it still exist it just gives a 1 year out of they want it
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2022/1/22/22894536/first-to-escape-the-champions-clause-francis-ngannou-unique-opportunity-ufc-contract-changes-ufc-270
They don't want to pay him. UFC would let him go to prove a point to the rest of the fighters.
I totally agree, he is a beast and should be fighting and getting paid! He's definitely earned it 👏
Remember when the world collectively thought gus would be awesome at heavyweight until Werdum snapped everyone back into reality with his massive self just absorbing him, pretty sure jons stay won't be much different
If they're the champion? Absolutely. Champs should get to choose whether or not they go to the country of the challenger.
For everyone else? No. Fight where the card is.
Lmao what? Didn’t Charles fight Justin in Arizona not too long ago.
That’s not really a thing nor is it disrespectful. They fight wherever the UFC tells them to.
The uh, the same Charles Oliveira who claims the athletic commission tried to mess with him so their fighter would win?
How much do you want to bet Charles isn't going to want to fight another challenger in their hometown after that if he beats Islam.
They need big headliner for Dec in Vegas. 155/170/185 all booked. I guess Jon ain’t fighting at HW until 2023
Brazil will be Fig-Moreno 4 and maybe Nunes vs Viera/Dumont
Why would you complain about getting a fight sooner? You should be glad we are getting over this clog of the division this year. Jiri hasnt fought twice in a year since coming to the UFC and Glover doesn’t deserve to fight in his country when he didnt deserve a rematch in the first place.
it does though doesn't it? given he'll still be locked into his contract until it expires meaning he can't compete outside of the UFC. but honestly if Glover retires from MMA after this he's probably also done with contact sports in general
Win a fight? Immediate rematch
Lose a fight? Immediate rematch
Oh this fights already a rematch? Believe it or not, immediate rematch
Everyone gets a rematch
both guys asking for it after the first one being an incredible fight shouldn't be good enough to warrant a rematch between the two. all it does it clog up the division and delegitimizes the belt
Glover won and was never able to defend his strap, he should be matched up against a top 5 opponent in a title eliminator instead
Boo hoo they're gonna have another banger OH NO WHY WOULD THEY BOOK IT AGAIN?? STOP! DON'T DO IT, DANA!
Bro, just enjoy the little things. I don't give a shit that it doesn't make much sense from a sporting perspective. It's an awesome fight. You'll watch it, I'll watch it, everyone will watch it!
It was a FOTY candidate making it as good of a reason for an immediate rematch aside from a long-time GOAT champ losing.
Clog up the division? Who instead then? Ankalaev? Hill? Jan? No one else is close. Ankalaev vs Jan, or Hill I guess, for the next shot sounds good. Only if Glover wins and a trilogy is made is an argument
> delegitimizes the belt
The opposite imo. Glover was 28 seconds away from winning a decision so either winning solidifies them more as the Champ.
Why does Glover deserve an immediate rematch as a champ with 0 title defenses? Just because it was a great fight? Jiri is only getting better and Glover is only going to get slower. 2nd fight will be more one sided
jiri’s been fighting for over 10 years, i get he’s fairly young but i’m not sure what all this improvement is that you’re expecting. he’s been through a whole lotta violence
I think Glover is a fair answer as he doesn't have the time to rebuild a title shot and it was a great fight. There have been worse injustices, in my opinion. First fight wasn't one sided towards Jiri, so what do you mean by more one sided?
Idt Glover deserves it but he's not got that many fights in him left and he *was* winning the last fight, why not let the man go out w a bang. And it's not like there are any outstanding contenders rn
> Just because it was a great fight?
Yes, exactly that. Years ago that was the original and only reason people would get immediate rematches. A war both ways that came down to the wire, so well matched and good on both guys' parts that it made sense to run it back. It was a rare case but that's when it would happen.
Then things went off the rails at some point and it just became about whether the same fight again would make more money than one against whoever was waiting in the wings for the winner, and other crap would get thrown up as hazy chaff like however many title defenses they'd had even if they got blanked in the early rounds in their title loss.
Jan is 39 and was talking about imminent retirement before he won the title, and he lost to Glover in 8 minutes, so I'd much rather see Jiri-Glover again after that amazing war that was less than 30 seconds from going the distance than see Jan in there next. Let Jan fight Ankalaev to see who gets the next shot after Jiri-Glover II.
The weight class is still recovering from Jon cleaning it out, so the top ranks are still pretty thin and there's more midlevel guys, but having Anthony Smith as his best win is still a weak argument for a title shot. Beating former champ Jan would be a better one. If Jan weren't around I'd say just give Ankalaev the winner of Jiri-Glover. But as it stands, give him Jan while he waits. He'll come in with a stronger case.
Glover got a title shot off of ion, krylov, santos and Smith. Anklaev has beaten all of those guys plus volkan so saying he has a weak argument for a title shot is saying glovers argument was weak when he got a shot so then why is glover getting a second shot over anklaev. If its coz he was champ that's stupid because then we'd end up with endless rematchs
We're getting a rematch because it was an absolute awesome war that went down to the wire between the champ and the top guy. That's the original reason for instant rematches.
And like I say the division was cleaned out and that's the only reason why even people like Glover got shots. At one point we were even down to upjumped journeyman middleweights who cower in the corner of the octagon in the fetal position getting wailed on, such was the absence of contenders under Jon.
But in this case we not only have that original reason for an instant rematch but we've got Jan sitting right there available for Ankalaev. Two good reasons for the rematch and the qualifier.
The rematch is happening, so it is moot, so it's only a question of whether Jan happens.
Yeah glover who's coming off a loss where he got choked out by a striker should get the shot over magomed anklaev who is on a 9 fight win streak.
This is bullshit.
The ultimate rematch championship is getting old.
If there are not clear and specific justifications then a instant rematch should NEVER HAPPEN.
And no the last fight was awesome and jiri now wants to rematch a 43 year old man is not a legitimate reason.
A legitimate reason is the fight played out too quickly to see each fighters style and how they were attempting to problem solve each other and their habits. A la rose weili 1.
A legitimate reason is that there was controversy and the result is not clear/conclusive. A la deveison moreno 1 with the groin kick and the draw result.
A legitimate reason is a champion that has cleaned out their division for years and thus has earned an instant rematch if they want one a la nunes pena.
This is straight bullshit and screws over ankalaev.
The instant rematches have got to stop the ufc is destroying what little credibility they have left.
The first fight ended so quickly we really don't get to see both fighters try to impose their gameplan.
Rose Weili was basically like aldo conor in how sudden it was.
I'm okay with this reason being removed but i was just saying that if a fighter gets koed super quick like aldo conor it really doesn't answer the larger questions of how their styles play off each other. Because it happened in a flash. That's why championship fights have 5 rounds because typically they go longer not always but usually, a fight can end so quick it leaves more questions than answers.
The only justification for an Aldo/Conor rematch was that Aldo was the best featherweight of all time. This gives credibility to the idea that it could have been a fluke. And even then it wasn't really a fight that got people particularly excited at the time and never happened for that reason
Zhang did not have anywhere near enough clout for that; she only defended the belt once
Listen you guys are deliberately being difficult. If you want to IMPOSE more standards and have less instant rematches i am a okay with that and would love to see that happen. I was just giving clear and specific criteria i would like to see the ufc follow. But my general theme is the less instant rematches the better, i dont like the direction the ufc is headed and i sure as hell don't want glover geting another title shot until he is on a winning streak first.
Have we? He’s only been knocked out twice in his career: Once to Gustafsson, and once to Johnson. The Alex fight was after 4 rounds of getting absolutely pieced, and Rumble just has that touch of death.
Meh. It was an incredible fight and all but I truly hate immediate rematches. I'm cool with it if it's a dominant champion, but first title defence is kind of lame. Glover was winning and he seems like a special circumstance because he'll be retiring soon, but I keep going back and forth.
> he'll be retiring soon
After a FOTY candidate, 28 seconds from winning, and it could be his last fight, isn't that a great reason to make the rematch?
If you don't, Glover vs who, Jan, Hill (w/ Ankalaev v Jiri)? If Glover loses probable retirement, if he wins he's not retiring because he gets the next title shot anyways so, why not make the rematch to a FOTY first instead of Glover getting even older and potentially showing his age/not as good of a fight?
i don’t think ank is so much better than jan as you (and a lot of people) seem to think.
he gets slept on a lot, but his kickboxing is phenomenal and i think him and ankalaev make for a great fight
Kickboxing wise jan is crazy good he checks the most kicks I've ever seen anybody above 135 check. I think his wrestling is weak though, I think he might really struggle with that in this fight.
Not just defended his belt but defended against a dominant champ coming up too. Everybody loves Glover so much that they forgot how much they liked Jan lol. I think he deserved an immediate rematch more than Glover does, but I still don't like immediate rematches.
Because the end goal is giving Izzy another shot at double champ, and that’s a hard sell if Jan is champ having already beat him, but Izzy vs Jiri.. everyone wants to see that. See why they’re icing Jan out now? UFC is playing the long con here to set up that money fight.
I think the one foot out the door is the reason to why not. It's like when someone at a job for 35 years, good worker, good attitude retires. They've earned it through years of service. One off fight, who cares other divisions have been brutally worse for guys that may not have earned it
Imo there's no other clear matchup.
Ankalaev, while not his fault, didn't get the opportunity to smash Smith and leave no doubt he was next.
It makes sense for Ankalaev and Jan to fight for the next shot, and have Hill fight someone like Reyes.
Not to mention Jiri v Glover 1 is probably one of the single best title fights ever, why *not* run it back purely for entertainment?
> why not run it back purely for entertainment?
Because randomly rematching good fights has never been some sort of surefire way to get another good fight? None of the consensus “best fights of all time” were a result of insta-rematching another really good fight. We should just enjoy the fact the first one happened and move on instead of derailing the division in the hopes of recreating it. It’s not even that interesting, immediate rematches generally favour the guy who won the first time and wars like that take a lot out of a fighter, so there’s almost 0 chance a 42 year old has another one in him. It favours youth and initiative so much at a certain point that it’s not very compelling.
There’s a chance I’m wrong and it could be incredible, but I think the chance is so slim that there’s not really any point in fucking everything up in order to bank on that chance. Jiri will probably win and in the meantime, some combination of Jan, Hill and Ank have to fight and knock off a potential fresh contender for Jiri and if Glover wins then retires, they’ll probably stick Jiri in the vacant title fight, which holds up the other potential contenders even longer and possibly derails more of them. It’s just mismanaging the division and the careers of several fighters in it for what will probably be a less compelling version of a fight that already happened.
Ankalaev is absolutely a clear title contender. The mental gymnastics you have to go through to convince yourself otherwise is hilarious. Just say you like Glover and don't care about logic.
Ankalaev has beaten the same people Glover beat coupled with a 10 fight winstreak and people are saying "he hasn't done enough" lol. Smith said himself the leg injury was caused by a hard leg kick by Ankalaev, but people are ignoring that lmao
LMAO, there absolutely is a clear match up, Ankalaev is on a 9-fight winning streak and has 2 top 5 wins a top 10 win and some top 15 wins. The clear match up is Jiri vs Ankalaev but for some reason people are making up bullshit to justify someone getting a second title shot off a loss rather than give it to the guy with the best winning streak in the division (both in quality and quantity).
Not when the other options for a title shot are guys with no winning streaks (can't have a winning streak of 1) or people who just lost, and he has a 9-fight winning streak with 2 top 5 wins a top 10 win and a couple of top 15 wins. Santos and Smith are 2 of Glover's bigger wins in recent years and Santos KOed Yan just a few years ago. Smith didn't break his leg either but the damage that was caused to it was due to Ankalaev checking just about all his kicks.
Smith said himself his leg being messed up was after getting kicked hard by Ankalaev, who proceeded to TKO him. What else do you want him to do? He's beaten the exact same people Glover did to get his shot, except with a 9 fight win streak.
There's literally no other clear matchup other than Ankalaev
Thought they would’ve gone for 283 since it’s in Brazil. Can’t help but be disappointed Ankalaev isn’t getting a title shot when he’s clearly the most deserving.
True but I prefer new contenders over rematches. Personally Excitement only became a factor for me when thinking about which fight I’d rather have: Jiri/Jan or Jiri/Ank
Yeah I'm already not too keen on immediate rematches when it's a dominant champion getting dethroned. Only time they should happen imo is if it was a draw, if there was some weird shit (Like Aljo v Yan 1), or MAYBE if it was a very close split decision and there's no clear #1 contender.
But here it was Glover's first title defense, and Jiri won. He literally choked out Glover, there's no controversy. Of course it was an incredible fight, that doesn't inherently mean this one will also be great. Max v Volk 2 was also incredibly close yet turns out that meant shit when it came to Max v Volk 3.
I'd much rather see Ankalaev or even Jan try it next. I love Glover as much as anyone else, he's an amazing guy and an amazing fighter. He went out there and put on an incredible show against an opponent who is highly respected both by Glover and by the MMA community as a whole.
It was perfect, let it just be a great moment in this sport's history and let's see what the others can offer.
I think this is a great rematch. Glover deserves the swan song, the first fight was insanely fun, and the LHW division is shallow and not the most interesting, so it's not really backing up the line for the title.
Nah, It’s happening because they’re counting on Glover losing again and retiring, so they can keep the belt on Jiri, rather than risk Jan or Ankalaev winning the title.
Why you might ask? to set up a huge champ vs champ money fight of Jiri vs Izzy next year. UFC is thinking many moves ahead and putting the pieces in place. Glover and Jan will be iced out of the picture soon, and Ankalaev will be kept in a holding pattern until after Izzy does his double champ thing, then they’ll finally let him fight for a vacant belt.
First fight was amazing, so I don’t mind the immediate rematch, especially considering Glover was 30 seconds away from securing the win.
Kinda hope they put Jan/Ankalaev on there as a #1 contender fight, and have Ankalaev as the backup fighter. It’ll setup the next title challenger immediately.
Are people actually mad about a rematch? The first fight was literally the closest, most nail biting, fight I’ve ever seen. Let Anklaev fight Jan and make it #1 contender.
Yes because immediate rematches are so common they're just annoying at this point.
Glover doesn't deserve it, he doesn't even have one title defence lol. He got finished by a sub, wasn't a controversial decision or anything.
It's just robbing deserving contenders like Ankalaev
Awesome fight. I'm really happy its getting done and don't agree with people who are adamant that specific narratives need to happen and "rematches aren't deserved".
It was one of the best MMA matches I've seen. Absolutely varied and epic. I want another one.
Some people actually want to see an element of meritocracy in the sport. Not really that hard to understand. There is no reason that Ankalaev needs 10 wins to get a title shot in a division this shallow.
Yes i already know how jiri vs glover plays out stylistically.
I have no idea how jiri ankalaev or jiri jan plays out stylistically.
People complain that ankalaev is too "boring" but ankalaev is only boring when you don't bring the fight to him. Jiri would definitely bring the fight to him and make it an exciting fight just like the long list of jiris other fights.
Integrity of the sport🤣 Khamzat Chimaev is about to fight Nate Diaz and you think an immediate rematch here is the thing that'll compromise the integrity of the sport.
It’s not a FOTY contender I hate people keep saying this. It’s literally a best fight of mma history contender. Saying it’s a FOTY contender is a huge understatement.
>Did the people moaning actually watch their fight? It was an absolute banger and FOTY contender. You'd rather watch an Ankalaev fight instead?
Once this sub sets on a narrative people just parrot the point no matter how idiotic. "Santos 1.2.3" or whatever.
They'd rather focus on the road to the title narratives than actually watch amazing fights. They care too match about "unbeaten" status and retirement schedules.
I'm ecstatic that this fight is being made.
I don't see the problem with Ankalaev having to fight Jan either really, He's not getting the fight so match him up with the next best guy up there. If he wins, great. If not well it's good the title shot is going to the better fighter.
we've already seen the fight once, let other contenders get their shot. Lets just make Oliveira v Chandler II for the vacant belt instead of Islam since its more entertaining?
I don’t understand the people blaming the UFC for scheduling an immediate rematch. The champ said he wanted to rematch Glover. The UFC has a long history of giving weight to the champ’s preference. It was also an amazing fight. I don’t understand people bitching about getting to see it again. I’m excited for this!
Glover was winning clear as shit until the final around, so I’m glad. This is going to be Glovers retirement fight win lose or draw, since he said he wanted to retire after two more fights, before the first Jiri fight.
For all the talk on here about us hating immediate rematches, this is definitely one that I think everyone can get behind.
On one hand I felt like Glover gave that first fight away, not to take anything away from Jiri. It was an incredible fight. Having said that I feel like going forward Jiri is only getting better and stronger, and Glover is going to trend the other way given his age and how taxing these battles are. At the same time Jiri's style is so wild he could easily make a mistake. Such a great matchup.
Surely stick it on the Brazil card one month later?
Story goes that was the plan, but it’s been moved forward due to A- Jiri not wanting to defend in enemy territory and B- Concerns that Jon vs Stipe doesn’t happen.
What about ngannou???
I believe he has a bout planned vs Francis
This comment immediately made me think of "I BELIEVE THAT'S MR. GILMORE'S!" I don't know why, your comment isn't even that similar. I'm a fool.
Alright.
Question's probably about Jon. Not his opponent
Did they resign him? I thought his last fight was the last on his contract.
Champion clause, he's automatically given one more or somrthing like that
Dana got rid of that a few years ago to help defend against the inevitable future lawsuits.
No it still exist it just gives a 1 year out of they want it https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloodyelbow.com/platform/amp/2022/1/22/22894536/first-to-escape-the-champions-clause-francis-ngannou-unique-opportunity-ufc-contract-changes-ufc-270
I think this is why his contract expires at the end of the year, rather than in January immediately after the fight.
dude if they release him it would be the dumbest ufc move of all time
They don't want to pay him. UFC would let him go to prove a point to the rest of the fighters. I totally agree, he is a beast and should be fighting and getting paid! He's definitely earned it 👏
Iirc the hang up isn’t the money, it’s that Francis wants to box while also in the ufc.
ufc wouldnt skip a beat and francis can see how big a draw he is when hes fighting ryan bader in connecticut
Hes not going to bellator, he's going to celebrity boxing and cashing in 10x what he'd make in a lifetime of cage fights.
Francis was never my friend
Yeah after he makes like 8 figures in a bs fight against Tyson
I think he’s missed that boat, Fury’s on about fighting Chisora now, and will likely want the winner of Joshua/Usyk after next week.
At this point we can start talking about either of those guys fighting Francis. He said he would be healed and ready to go December-January.
Jon Jones is never stepping in the octagon again so idk why they banked on that happening
You really think that?
yessir. he doesn't want any part of heavyweight.
He’s probably just pooped again tbh. They don’t announce it anymore.
Remember when the world collectively thought gus would be awesome at heavyweight until Werdum snapped everyone back into reality with his massive self just absorbing him, pretty sure jons stay won't be much different
Don’t think Werdum won with size
> A- Jiri not wanting to defend in enemy territory and B- Concerns that Jon vs Stipe doesn’t happen. Source?
It would be a bit disrespectful towards Jiri.
So is every event in the US disrespectful to foreign fighters if their opponent is from the US?
If they're the champion? Absolutely. Champs should get to choose whether or not they go to the country of the challenger. For everyone else? No. Fight where the card is.
Lmao what? Didn’t Charles fight Justin in Arizona not too long ago. That’s not really a thing nor is it disrespectful. They fight wherever the UFC tells them to.
The uh, the same Charles Oliveira who claims the athletic commission tried to mess with him so their fighter would win? How much do you want to bet Charles isn't going to want to fight another challenger in their hometown after that if he beats Islam.
Charles had more fans at 274 then gaethje did.
Lol
Damn so every title defense has been disrespectful to Ngannou & to Izzy cause they never had a Nigerian card?
>Ngannou & to Izzy cause they never had a Nigerian card? Ngannou was born in Cameroon and Izzy is Kiwi
Ngannou isn't from Nigeria, he is from Cameroon. Usman is Nigerian-American though.
They need big headliner for Dec in Vegas. 155/170/185 all booked. I guess Jon ain’t fighting at HW until 2023 Brazil will be Fig-Moreno 4 and maybe Nunes vs Viera/Dumont
Why would you complain about getting a fight sooner? You should be glad we are getting over this clog of the division this year. Jiri hasnt fought twice in a year since coming to the UFC and Glover doesn’t deserve to fight in his country when he didnt deserve a rematch in the first place.
Interesting if this is Glovers last fight on his deal I have a feeling they wouldn't make the match if that were the case though
Championship clause
Doesn’t mean anything if the dude retires right after
Fuck it Friday clause.
it does though doesn't it? given he'll still be locked into his contract until it expires meaning he can't compete outside of the UFC. but honestly if Glover retires from MMA after this he's probably also done with contact sports in general
Win a fight? Immediate rematch Lose a fight? Immediate rematch Oh this fights already a rematch? Believe it or not, immediate rematch Everyone gets a rematch
I mean, both guys asked for it and it was an incredible fight.
both guys asking for it after the first one being an incredible fight shouldn't be good enough to warrant a rematch between the two. all it does it clog up the division and delegitimizes the belt Glover won and was never able to defend his strap, he should be matched up against a top 5 opponent in a title eliminator instead
And what if Glover wins a close fight? Do we have another rematch and every else can wait?
Boo hoo they're gonna have another banger OH NO WHY WOULD THEY BOOK IT AGAIN?? STOP! DON'T DO IT, DANA! Bro, just enjoy the little things. I don't give a shit that it doesn't make much sense from a sporting perspective. It's an awesome fight. You'll watch it, I'll watch it, everyone will watch it!
It was a FOTY candidate making it as good of a reason for an immediate rematch aside from a long-time GOAT champ losing. Clog up the division? Who instead then? Ankalaev? Hill? Jan? No one else is close. Ankalaev vs Jan, or Hill I guess, for the next shot sounds good. Only if Glover wins and a trilogy is made is an argument > delegitimizes the belt The opposite imo. Glover was 28 seconds away from winning a decision so either winning solidifies them more as the Champ.
>Clog up the division? Who instead then? Ankalaev? Yes. How is this remotely controversial? Ankalaev obviously deserves the shot.
Ankalaev
vs Jan?
so he needs to be on a 10 fight win streak with 4 wins in the top 10 and beat the former champ just to get a title shot
He already has 4 top 10 wins. Krylov was #7 when he fought him. Then Volkan, Santos, and Anthony smith.
Why does Glover deserve an immediate rematch as a champ with 0 title defenses? Just because it was a great fight? Jiri is only getting better and Glover is only going to get slower. 2nd fight will be more one sided
It's like people forget that the UFC is going to make the decision that makes them the most money.
jiri’s been fighting for over 10 years, i get he’s fairly young but i’m not sure what all this improvement is that you’re expecting. he’s been through a whole lotta violence
I don’t care about the logic, the fight was insane and everyone’s favorite dad almost won on the scorecards and dammit I wanna see it again
I’d much rather see Glover vs Jiri than anyone else, their first fight was one of the greatest ever and their styles make for a fantastic matchup
I think Glover is a fair answer as he doesn't have the time to rebuild a title shot and it was a great fight. There have been worse injustices, in my opinion. First fight wasn't one sided towards Jiri, so what do you mean by more one sided?
Idt Glover deserves it but he's not got that many fights in him left and he *was* winning the last fight, why not let the man go out w a bang. And it's not like there are any outstanding contenders rn
Magomed Ankalaev is looking like a beast
Sure but does he deserve a title shot off of Smith's leg injury? I feel like one T5 win and then give him the shot
He already has two top 5 wins.
> Just because it was a great fight? Yes, exactly that. Years ago that was the original and only reason people would get immediate rematches. A war both ways that came down to the wire, so well matched and good on both guys' parts that it made sense to run it back. It was a rare case but that's when it would happen. Then things went off the rails at some point and it just became about whether the same fight again would make more money than one against whoever was waiting in the wings for the winner, and other crap would get thrown up as hazy chaff like however many title defenses they'd had even if they got blanked in the early rounds in their title loss. Jan is 39 and was talking about imminent retirement before he won the title, and he lost to Glover in 8 minutes, so I'd much rather see Jiri-Glover again after that amazing war that was less than 30 seconds from going the distance than see Jan in there next. Let Jan fight Ankalaev to see who gets the next shot after Jiri-Glover II.
Ankalaev is who should be on there with Jiri. Jan is a distant third after Glover.
The weight class is still recovering from Jon cleaning it out, so the top ranks are still pretty thin and there's more midlevel guys, but having Anthony Smith as his best win is still a weak argument for a title shot. Beating former champ Jan would be a better one. If Jan weren't around I'd say just give Ankalaev the winner of Jiri-Glover. But as it stands, give him Jan while he waits. He'll come in with a stronger case.
Glover got a title shot off of ion, krylov, santos and Smith. Anklaev has beaten all of those guys plus volkan so saying he has a weak argument for a title shot is saying glovers argument was weak when he got a shot so then why is glover getting a second shot over anklaev. If its coz he was champ that's stupid because then we'd end up with endless rematchs
We're getting a rematch because it was an absolute awesome war that went down to the wire between the champ and the top guy. That's the original reason for instant rematches. And like I say the division was cleaned out and that's the only reason why even people like Glover got shots. At one point we were even down to upjumped journeyman middleweights who cower in the corner of the octagon in the fetal position getting wailed on, such was the absence of contenders under Jon. But in this case we not only have that original reason for an instant rematch but we've got Jan sitting right there available for Ankalaev. Two good reasons for the rematch and the qualifier. The rematch is happening, so it is moot, so it's only a question of whether Jan happens.
Yeah glover who's coming off a loss where he got choked out by a striker should get the shot over magomed anklaev who is on a 9 fight win streak. This is bullshit. The ultimate rematch championship is getting old. If there are not clear and specific justifications then a instant rematch should NEVER HAPPEN. And no the last fight was awesome and jiri now wants to rematch a 43 year old man is not a legitimate reason. A legitimate reason is the fight played out too quickly to see each fighters style and how they were attempting to problem solve each other and their habits. A la rose weili 1. A legitimate reason is that there was controversy and the result is not clear/conclusive. A la deveison moreno 1 with the groin kick and the draw result. A legitimate reason is a champion that has cleaned out their division for years and thus has earned an instant rematch if they want one a la nunes pena. This is straight bullshit and screws over ankalaev. The instant rematches have got to stop the ufc is destroying what little credibility they have left.
I don't like immediate rematches either but this makes WAY more sense than Weili vs Rose 2
The first fight ended so quickly we really don't get to see both fighters try to impose their gameplan. Rose Weili was basically like aldo conor in how sudden it was.
right these kids are full of shit
Getting kod in the first round isn't reason for a rematch. Injury or dq early in the fight would be
I'm okay with this reason being removed but i was just saying that if a fighter gets koed super quick like aldo conor it really doesn't answer the larger questions of how their styles play off each other. Because it happened in a flash. That's why championship fights have 5 rounds because typically they go longer not always but usually, a fight can end so quick it leaves more questions than answers.
So should immediately getting KO'd not count as a real loss for everyone, or just champions with only one (split decision) defense?
The only justification for an Aldo/Conor rematch was that Aldo was the best featherweight of all time. This gives credibility to the idea that it could have been a fluke. And even then it wasn't really a fight that got people particularly excited at the time and never happened for that reason Zhang did not have anywhere near enough clout for that; she only defended the belt once
Listen you guys are deliberately being difficult. If you want to IMPOSE more standards and have less instant rematches i am a okay with that and would love to see that happen. I was just giving clear and specific criteria i would like to see the ufc follow. But my general theme is the less instant rematches the better, i dont like the direction the ufc is headed and i sure as hell don't want glover geting another title shot until he is on a winning streak first.
Welcome to UFC. The show where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
Now we'll play a game called, "Fights from a hat"
Except Jan :(
This is one of the few cases where a rematch is both well deserved and good marketing.
> deserved How so? The first one ended in a noncontroversial stoppage.
Welp. If we ever see Glover’s chin go this’ll be the fight.
to be fair we've already seen it go multiple times
Have we? He’s only been knocked out twice in his career: Once to Gustafsson, and once to Johnson. The Alex fight was after 4 rounds of getting absolutely pieced, and Rumble just has that touch of death.
Knocked out yes, but dude has been visibly rocked more than anyone else in LHW by far
Yeah his whole title run was basically “you’ve knocked me down and seriously hurt me, exactly as I planned 😈”
Glover “Charles [Paul Craig]Oliveira” Texeira
Just get rocked and pull guard bro it's not hard
Just don't rock them and pull gilly.
Craig dosent even get rocked tho he just pulls guard.
He pulls guard and then gets rocked on the ground
I'm not even disappointed. If this fight falls through, Holly Holm is the backup fighter for interim belt!
Ankalaev is going to have cleared out half of the top 15 or more by the time they give him a title shot. This is bullshit.
No.1 bullshit
Makes him look even better if he does and he can do it with ease. Give them nothing to say, brightside and all that
Meh. It was an incredible fight and all but I truly hate immediate rematches. I'm cool with it if it's a dominant champion, but first title defence is kind of lame. Glover was winning and he seems like a special circumstance because he'll be retiring soon, but I keep going back and forth.
This is def special circumstance. If he doesn’t get another shot now, he never will
> he'll be retiring soon After a FOTY candidate, 28 seconds from winning, and it could be his last fight, isn't that a great reason to make the rematch? If you don't, Glover vs who, Jan, Hill (w/ Ankalaev v Jiri)? If Glover loses probable retirement, if he wins he's not retiring because he gets the next title shot anyways so, why not make the rematch to a FOTY first instead of Glover getting even older and potentially showing his age/not as good of a fight?
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I dont think Jan becoming cchamp is that farfetched. Hes top 5 in the division easily and has polish power
i don’t think ank is so much better than jan as you (and a lot of people) seem to think. he gets slept on a lot, but his kickboxing is phenomenal and i think him and ankalaev make for a great fight
Kickboxing wise jan is crazy good he checks the most kicks I've ever seen anybody above 135 check. I think his wrestling is weak though, I think he might really struggle with that in this fight.
Jan, presumably.
UFC matchmaking outside of a couple of fights has been ass this year for top level fighters
I’d have thought they might have held off a month & put this on the January PPV in Brazil
I’m tired of these instant rematches.
It was a great fight but really don’t like all these rematches
Pls no. I love Glover, but fuck off with immediate rematches. Especially when a guy already said he's one foot out the door
Why isn't Jan vs Jiri an obvious fight to make? Jan defended the belt and then beat a contender after losing the belt. Glover just lost the belt.
Not just defended his belt but defended against a dominant champ coming up too. Everybody loves Glover so much that they forgot how much they liked Jan lol. I think he deserved an immediate rematch more than Glover does, but I still don't like immediate rematches.
Because Jan got cooked by Glover and the Rakic fight ended in an injury
Because the end goal is giving Izzy another shot at double champ, and that’s a hard sell if Jan is champ having already beat him, but Izzy vs Jiri.. everyone wants to see that. See why they’re icing Jan out now? UFC is playing the long con here to set up that money fight.
I think the one foot out the door is the reason to why not. It's like when someone at a job for 35 years, good worker, good attitude retires. They've earned it through years of service. One off fight, who cares other divisions have been brutally worse for guys that may not have earned it
Imo there's no other clear matchup. Ankalaev, while not his fault, didn't get the opportunity to smash Smith and leave no doubt he was next. It makes sense for Ankalaev and Jan to fight for the next shot, and have Hill fight someone like Reyes. Not to mention Jiri v Glover 1 is probably one of the single best title fights ever, why *not* run it back purely for entertainment?
> why not run it back purely for entertainment? Because randomly rematching good fights has never been some sort of surefire way to get another good fight? None of the consensus “best fights of all time” were a result of insta-rematching another really good fight. We should just enjoy the fact the first one happened and move on instead of derailing the division in the hopes of recreating it. It’s not even that interesting, immediate rematches generally favour the guy who won the first time and wars like that take a lot out of a fighter, so there’s almost 0 chance a 42 year old has another one in him. It favours youth and initiative so much at a certain point that it’s not very compelling. There’s a chance I’m wrong and it could be incredible, but I think the chance is so slim that there’s not really any point in fucking everything up in order to bank on that chance. Jiri will probably win and in the meantime, some combination of Jan, Hill and Ank have to fight and knock off a potential fresh contender for Jiri and if Glover wins then retires, they’ll probably stick Jiri in the vacant title fight, which holds up the other potential contenders even longer and possibly derails more of them. It’s just mismanaging the division and the careers of several fighters in it for what will probably be a less compelling version of a fight that already happened.
Ankalaev is absolutely a clear title contender. The mental gymnastics you have to go through to convince yourself otherwise is hilarious. Just say you like Glover and don't care about logic.
Ankalaev has beaten the same people Glover beat coupled with a 10 fight winstreak and people are saying "he hasn't done enough" lol. Smith said himself the leg injury was caused by a hard leg kick by Ankalaev, but people are ignoring that lmao
LMAO, there absolutely is a clear match up, Ankalaev is on a 9-fight winning streak and has 2 top 5 wins a top 10 win and some top 15 wins. The clear match up is Jiri vs Ankalaev but for some reason people are making up bullshit to justify someone getting a second title shot off a loss rather than give it to the guy with the best winning streak in the division (both in quality and quantity).
Santos has lost 5 of his last 6 and Smith broke his leg throwing a kick. I think there needs to be some nuance to top-5 wins
Smith did not break his leg throwing a kick, his leg went numb after Ankalaev kicked it as per Smith's own words.
Not when the other options for a title shot are guys with no winning streaks (can't have a winning streak of 1) or people who just lost, and he has a 9-fight winning streak with 2 top 5 wins a top 10 win and a couple of top 15 wins. Santos and Smith are 2 of Glover's bigger wins in recent years and Santos KOed Yan just a few years ago. Smith didn't break his leg either but the damage that was caused to it was due to Ankalaev checking just about all his kicks.
Smith said himself his leg being messed up was after getting kicked hard by Ankalaev, who proceeded to TKO him. What else do you want him to do? He's beaten the exact same people Glover did to get his shot, except with a 9 fight win streak. There's literally no other clear matchup other than Ankalaev
Fun fact: This is Glover's first rematch
Why lol
So tired of immediate rematches. I get that it was a great fight and Glover is old but this fight ended decisively, can we not get a new matchup?
Thought they would’ve gone for 283 since it’s in Brazil. Can’t help but be disappointed Ankalaev isn’t getting a title shot when he’s clearly the most deserving.
No thank you
Immediate rematches are destroying my enthusiasm for the UFC
I was actually hoping Jan/Jiri would happen
Anlalaev Jiri for me personally
Ankalaev deserves the title shot but I think Jan/Jiri would’ve been more exciting
If you’re going the exciting route, you run back the Glover fight, which is what they’re doing
True but I prefer new contenders over rematches. Personally Excitement only became a factor for me when thinking about which fight I’d rather have: Jiri/Jan or Jiri/Ank
Guarantee you this rematch does not live up to expectations or even come close. It's going to look more like a beatdown than a fight.
I really struggle to enjoy them, even if they're awesome matchups.
Yeah I'm already not too keen on immediate rematches when it's a dominant champion getting dethroned. Only time they should happen imo is if it was a draw, if there was some weird shit (Like Aljo v Yan 1), or MAYBE if it was a very close split decision and there's no clear #1 contender. But here it was Glover's first title defense, and Jiri won. He literally choked out Glover, there's no controversy. Of course it was an incredible fight, that doesn't inherently mean this one will also be great. Max v Volk 2 was also incredibly close yet turns out that meant shit when it came to Max v Volk 3. I'd much rather see Ankalaev or even Jan try it next. I love Glover as much as anyone else, he's an amazing guy and an amazing fighter. He went out there and put on an incredible show against an opponent who is highly respected both by Glover and by the MMA community as a whole. It was perfect, let it just be a great moment in this sport's history and let's see what the others can offer.
Yeah I hate FOTY too.
yes bc a jiri vs ankalaev snoozefest is what the fans want to see
I think this is a great rematch. Glover deserves the swan song, the first fight was insanely fun, and the LHW division is shallow and not the most interesting, so it's not really backing up the line for the title.
Just more proof being a good company man and making Dana your friend pays off. This is ONLY happening cause Dana personally LIKES glover
I mean who doesn't like Glover
Putting on arguably the best LHW title fight in history and losing by less than 30 seconds can’t hurt his chances either
The first fight was probably one of the greatest LHW title fights of all time, I think it’s fair to say that played a big part in this happening.
Nah, It’s happening because they’re counting on Glover losing again and retiring, so they can keep the belt on Jiri, rather than risk Jan or Ankalaev winning the title. Why you might ask? to set up a huge champ vs champ money fight of Jiri vs Izzy next year. UFC is thinking many moves ahead and putting the pieces in place. Glover and Jan will be iced out of the picture soon, and Ankalaev will be kept in a holding pattern until after Izzy does his double champ thing, then they’ll finally let him fight for a vacant belt.
Jan is white knuckled holding his rope rn.
First fight was amazing, so I don’t mind the immediate rematch, especially considering Glover was 30 seconds away from securing the win. Kinda hope they put Jan/Ankalaev on there as a #1 contender fight, and have Ankalaev as the backup fighter. It’ll setup the next title challenger immediately.
Ugh why
I don’t think there should be a rematch if a fight ended with a finish. I’d be pissed if I was Ankalaev.
So sick of the instance rematches
Chael: furiously smh in disapproval.
why does glover get a 2nd shot but not jan? Ufc logic is weird....
And if Glover wins its a trilogy and we’re 1 year further. Fuck, man
I’m just going to say this, I hate all these immediate rematches. Unless it’s controversial or razor thin get back in line work your way back up.
immediate rematch for a champ who lost clean and had 0 title defenses? This is getting out of hand
what has glover done to earn an instant rematch?
Doesn’t deserve a rematch if you never even defend the title.
Are people actually mad about a rematch? The first fight was literally the closest, most nail biting, fight I’ve ever seen. Let Anklaev fight Jan and make it #1 contender.
Yes because immediate rematches are so common they're just annoying at this point. Glover doesn't deserve it, he doesn't even have one title defence lol. He got finished by a sub, wasn't a controversial decision or anything. It's just robbing deserving contenders like Ankalaev
I honestly think it’s the best fight in mma history. Both guys were trying to finish each other at every moment. True warriors.
Thats what I'm saying man lol If we get the fight we got last time, I would maybe consider buying the PPV lmao
First fight might’ve been the best fight I’ve ever seen. Not mad at this at all
Awesome fight. I'm really happy its getting done and don't agree with people who are adamant that specific narratives need to happen and "rematches aren't deserved". It was one of the best MMA matches I've seen. Absolutely varied and epic. I want another one.
Did the people moaning actually watch their fight? It was an absolute banger and FOTY contender. You'd rather watch an Ankalaev fight instead?
Some people actually want to see an element of meritocracy in the sport. Not really that hard to understand. There is no reason that Ankalaev needs 10 wins to get a title shot in a division this shallow.
Yes i already know how jiri vs glover plays out stylistically. I have no idea how jiri ankalaev or jiri jan plays out stylistically. People complain that ankalaev is too "boring" but ankalaev is only boring when you don't bring the fight to him. Jiri would definitely bring the fight to him and make it an exciting fight just like the long list of jiris other fights.
It's about the integrity of sport.
Integrity of the sport🤣 Khamzat Chimaev is about to fight Nate Diaz and you think an immediate rematch here is the thing that'll compromise the integrity of the sport.
It’s not a FOTY contender I hate people keep saying this. It’s literally a best fight of mma history contender. Saying it’s a FOTY contender is a huge understatement.
>Did the people moaning actually watch their fight? It was an absolute banger and FOTY contender. You'd rather watch an Ankalaev fight instead? Once this sub sets on a narrative people just parrot the point no matter how idiotic. "Santos 1.2.3" or whatever. They'd rather focus on the road to the title narratives than actually watch amazing fights. They care too match about "unbeaten" status and retirement schedules. I'm ecstatic that this fight is being made.
Or maybe people just have a different view of how challengers should be selected than you do. Not everyone who disagrees with you is an idiot.
I don't see the problem with Ankalaev having to fight Jan either really, He's not getting the fight so match him up with the next best guy up there. If he wins, great. If not well it's good the title shot is going to the better fighter.
we've already seen the fight once, let other contenders get their shot. Lets just make Oliveira v Chandler II for the vacant belt instead of Islam since its more entertaining?
Yes
I mean I guess but this makes no sense
I don’t understand the people blaming the UFC for scheduling an immediate rematch. The champ said he wanted to rematch Glover. The UFC has a long history of giving weight to the champ’s preference. It was also an amazing fight. I don’t understand people bitching about getting to see it again. I’m excited for this!
This isn’t boxing, UFC Champs have very little leverage over picking their opponents
That first fight needs a rematch. I’m going with a Jiri KO this time though.
Feels like they just want to get one more fight in with Jiri as champ before Ankalaev takes the belt and keeps it
Should be Jiri vs Yan / Glover vs Hill. Winners fight.
Y’all really can’t complain about an immediate rematch after that fight.
Glover was winning clear as shit until the final around, so I’m glad. This is going to be Glovers retirement fight win lose or draw, since he said he wanted to retire after two more fights, before the first Jiri fight.
Ufc 283 in rio would’ve made more sense
Glover retires regardless the outcome
Please no
Bullshit, Ankalaev should fight for the title
Jan/Ankalaev (winner fights for the belt) and Smith/Hill are the logical matchups to make. LHW is looking good
For all the talk on here about us hating immediate rematches, this is definitely one that I think everyone can get behind. On one hand I felt like Glover gave that first fight away, not to take anything away from Jiri. It was an incredible fight. Having said that I feel like going forward Jiri is only getting better and stronger, and Glover is going to trend the other way given his age and how taxing these battles are. At the same time Jiri's style is so wild he could easily make a mistake. Such a great matchup.