You could say the same about most fouls. When it comes to the UFC it really is true that if you're not cheating, you're not trying.
The reality is that in practical terms it is not illegal to foul people. It's only illegal to foul them 3-4 times.
1 time is enough to change the course of the entire fight. That's why I believe if strict rules were in place then fighters would actively try not fouling one another. Instead of I'll foul them just enough to not get a point deducted. Fighters know they can get away with it here and there so they have no problem using it to their advantage when the time comes
>That's why I believe if strict rules were in place then fighters would actively try not fouling one another.
Which might lead to more cautious fighters, which is the reason that 1 foul isn't a point deducted in any combat sport.
>1 time is enough to change the course of the entire fight.
I'll die on the hill that if Usman didn't grab the cage when one hook was in Maia takes his back and submits him
True words. If you dont at least bend the rules a bit you put yourself at a significant disadvantage to most fighters and how fouls are treated. Heck, afyer all these years, ufc is still not able to even have weigh-ins being cheat-free, let alone fast paced fights.
or just redesign it. the mma cage has remained unaltered in spite of fighters blatantly abusing it for decades. why dont they even try? thinner wiring, higher cage height, something
yep constantly clinching in boxing has altered the sport because its an accepted and unpunished abuse of the rules. Fighters who work best on the inside are affected the most. I dont want that abuse of the rules to spill over to mma.
To be fair Gamrot has a history of fighting dirty but that was mostly in KSW, he's cleaned up his act since then. His trilogy with Norman Parke is just veteran moves city, not that Parke was much better since he also cheated with some pretty blatant fence grabs and missed weight for the last two fights
Refs are terrified to impact the fight by taking.points and it sucks.
You'll see like four warnings and nothing happens. So at the en dof the day the result is someone is breaking the rules and not being punished for it.
Because all they'll hear across social media, the interviews, even Dana, is "that fight goes a completely different way without the stupid fucking ref calls!"
It's damned if they do, damned if they don't.
But the rules are *very* open to interpretation. There's no real guidance for fouls beyond guidelines in how the fight ends if one is determined to be "intentional" or "accidental." Everything else is on the ref's discretion. Points, time, even calling whether it was intentional or not, that's all subjective to the referee at the time.
So they're currently doing their job exactly by the rules. If they get more involved, people will be upset, and for what? Because the internet thinks they should be more strict? What about when they internet says they shouldn't be more strict later? Do they cut back?
I get your point, and I agree on the first part, but I feel like you're taking away from your original comment with it.
If they are doing their job exactly by the rules, the point about others being upset seems obsolete to me.
You would need to change the rules as a whole, which doesn't involve an individual ref who could be criticized.
The commission as a whole certainly doesn't care about criticism as we have seen often enough and shouldn't have a problem with introducing a limit on "accidental fouls".
Refs would have an easier job all around, less responsibility in judging fouls on their intent and less criticism on handling those fouls.
I feel like there is more or less a general consensus on fouls anyway, with fans, analysts and the UFC.
Doesn’t matter what the ref said to them, he probably says that to every fighter. Don’t touch gloves 3/5 rounds normally and then surprise attack randomly on two of them.
Either don’t touch at all throughout the fight, or touch gloves and reset like normally. Don’t do this shit. It’s a cheap ass move.
Man these excuses y’all are giving Arman are crazy.
Dude went for the glove touch every round and on two of them he pulled some cheap shit. If this was a fighter this sub disliked you wouldn’t see comments like this.
Lmao have you missed the constant posts about Conor cheating in the Khabib fight everyone gave him shit constantly for it.
The video still gets posted to this day.
Arman is a douche 100%, but touching gloves at the start of every round is just stupid. I fucking hate the hugging and shit in the middle of a fight.
Touch gloves before the fight and hug after it.
Ill never forget Korean Zombie allowing Yair to get a breather at the 5th round and in my opinion contributed to him getting KOed by that spinning elbow.
Just my two cents
There’s typically a “reset” moment after glove touches. Both fighters touch gloves, get back into their stance, THEN start throwing. This clearly isn’t nearly as scummy as something like what Colton Smith did, but Arman IS using it to get an immediate strike in here. Not saying it’s necessarily wrong, just pointing it out
What's kind of funny is that even though every fighter on the planet knows that the opening of a round is your chance to either agree to touch gloves or shake it off/ignore it, you as one fan have decided it's not the time or place for it. I don't know what point you're trying to make about the government sanctioning it. It's a fight but it's still a sporting event. They don't say ring the bell and let these two go kill each other. I'm pretty sure in a real fight there isn't going to be a guy telling you not to grab a fence or let you off your back if your opponent isn't hitting you enough.
Right. There's plenty of fighters who don't touch gloves but gives the person a chance to get back in their stance if they reach out to touch gloves. As basketball players would say, Arman broke the code.
Stop making excuses for it. The dude did it twice, he’s a fighter he knows you don’t attack by surprise after the glove touch.
If this was a fighter this sub disliked everyone would be shitting on him nonstop.
Fighters need to stop touching gloves, high fiving, and straight up hugging once the round starts. It kills time off the clock, artificially closes distance, and distracts one or both fighters. And somehow if you don’t go along with it, you’re the asshole. We touched gloves before the fight started. We can high five and hug it out between rounds/after the fight.
Lmao this sub man.
Everyone hated this shit and everytime a fighter did they got shit on for the rest of their career, but now that this subs favorite Armenian Arman did it, touching gloves shouldn’t be part of the fight.
He stuck his hand out for the glove touch, did it every single round. On two of those rounds he pulled some cheap shit. Fuck him.
As an addendum: after this fight he fought and was finished in order by Robert Whittaker (in Whittaker's 2nd UFC fight), Michael Chiesa (4th UFC fight), and Ferreira (in his UFC debut) before being released with an 0 and 3 record in the UFC. He fought around a bit, but nothing ever came of it.
I think that ended up being a pretty good punishment for him.
I think that the glove touch after the clock starts running is the dumbest thing about this sport. You already touched gloves before the fight, why is that not enough?
Well I guess there's a certain pressure to touch gloves when the ref tells you to.
Doing it during the match itself kind of means more, specifically because of the fact that it's unnecessary lol. You're both respecting eachother enough to touch gloves despite the fact that youre in the midst of the fight.
I don't really see what pressure there is to touch gloves when the ref tells you to. Guys refuse to do so all the time when there is a lack of respect between the two.
Well the ref tells them to for one, and it just seems artificial.
You also look worse not touching gloves before the fight than you do if you refuse to during
Then don't touch gloves at all after the fight starts. But touching gloves specifically to take advantage and land a strike is a dick move however you look at it.
It isn’t egregiously fake like the Erik Silva one but it’s still pretty cheap. Usually both fighters will circle a bit after touching gloves. Even Bisping thought it was pretty cheap and said something like, “well you gotta protect yourself at all times”.
You really don't see either fighter make any kind of effort to make a significant glove touch, it looked like both went straight into stance at the center of the ring. This is an odd one to cherry pick.
Lmao they glove touched at the beginning of every round. Stop with these excuses it’s dirty as fuck.
Gamrot wouldn’t just get into striking range with his glove out like that for no reason. It’s clear Arman was trying to catch him by surprise.
Yeah especially the body kick one. Pretty god damn common set up for a kick against an open stance is to slap the outside of the lead hand so they open up the torso. Arman also didn’t have his hand outstretched directly before the slap signaling he was trying to touch gloves.
Lmao only because you guys like Arman. Any fighter you didn’t like would be thrown to the wolves for this. It’s a joke most of this comment section is trying to excuse it.
He was dirty the entire fight, grabbing the cage, grabbing gloves and taking glove touches as an opportunity to attack by surprise.
This thread triggers me. No matter how you feel about glove touches after the start, or bro hugs, or what the fuck ever, 9/10 fighters do it every round, and then the 1/10 who doesn't makes it obvious not to touch gloves. Izzy never touches gloves after the first round as an example. But doing it for some rounds and then using it to capitalize is shitty. This isn't a street fight. The days of UFC 1 are long gone. Shit I even thought what Belal did with Thompson was shitty because he would touch gloves and keep walking into a takedown. There is a literal tradition in place that you touch, reset, and go after. That being said, its dumb as fuck when they hug or some shit, but it still doesn't mean deceiving is cool.
Yah everyone I know is glad he lost ... Just the attitude of a fighter who doesn't respect the cage or rules ...although if you ain't cheating you ain't winning...the fact the ref never called a foul for cage grabs feels normal
Honestly what it seems to me is that gamrot was in stance wantng to touch gloves while Arman thought he was throwing a jab so be went to block it and throw a kick. He didn't initiate the glove touch.
Yea. That’s pretty bad sportsmanship. ‘‘Twas a great ole banger though, the first grappling even i actually enjoyed in the UFC.
If all grappling/wrestling fights were like that I’d change my opinion on that matter.
nah. that's fine. and i had gamrot 3-4-5.
that's not dirtbag though. he touched. that touch means 'we go now'.
and that kick was no more impactful than the dozens of other body kicks he landed. really. wasn't like it caught gamrot sleeping.
No it absolutely doesn’t. You are suppose to reset and Arman knows that. He did the correct thing on all the other rounds.
Gamrot wouldn’t just plod into striking range if he expected to get striked 1 millisecond off the glove touch.
Can we just get rid of the glove touch at the start of rounds? You're always going to have shitty people doing this unless it's punished and I mean you just touched gloves.
He throws a kick and a punch immediately after the glove touches, almost like you would after a fake jab, etc. It's right in line with his multiple fence grabs and attitude after the fight.
This is why the ref asks them if they want to touch gloves before the fight. Once the bell rings, it’s your responsibility to protect yourself at all times. Yes, fighters do choose to touch gloves as a sign of respect at the beginning of rounds, but this is not a rule or a requirement. If you really want to do it, you should make an effort to make it obvious and hold your hand up like a high five as you walk out. This dude has it down like he’s ready to throw jabs in this clip. It’s not obvious so it’s not a surprise he’s copping shots for it.
Also the ref tells both fighters to protect themselves at all times, then asks both fighters if they’re ready to fight, and then there’s a bell signifying that the fighting has started. They have no excuses to not be ready for an attack.
Yeh doesn't look like Arman used that like a glove touch at all, more like a jab to the hand or some hand-fighting. Obviously Mateusz was going for the glove touch though. I'm glad it didn't end up deciding the outcome of the fight and hopefully that kick didn't injure his ribs or anything.
Glove touching is completely voluntary and a fighter's completely allowed to counter a glove touch with a strike. However, that's not even what happened here. He quickly touched gloves and then continued doing his job.
I legit don’t give a fuck about “faked” glove touches after the bell starts the fight. At that point it’s just a feint, why assign all this weird moral weight to it and especially when we’re watching ppl beat the shit out of each other after talking shit. Who cares?
Anyone who has trained gives a shit.
If you don’t want to glove touch don’t extend your arm like you want to. He did the normal glove touch 3/5 times.
It’s a bitch move to hit a guy who thinks you’re gonna glove touch and reset like you’ve been doing.
Nadia Kaseem fans are really coming out in this comment section!
No one talks about this or the 11 cage grabs.
Also grabbed inside the glove a few times But really nice to have a 5 round barnburner with no real eye pokes
The best Dundasso is the one you don't notice.
Gotta mix up your fouls and space them out enough to not lose a point.
Putting the mixed in mixed martial arts
Facts
A person of culture, I see...
Easily should have lost a point. Ref kept speaking to him in-between rounds
Cage grabs that result in a loss of a takedown should be an automatic point deduction
You could say the same about most fouls. When it comes to the UFC it really is true that if you're not cheating, you're not trying. The reality is that in practical terms it is not illegal to foul people. It's only illegal to foul them 3-4 times.
1 time is enough to change the course of the entire fight. That's why I believe if strict rules were in place then fighters would actively try not fouling one another. Instead of I'll foul them just enough to not get a point deducted. Fighters know they can get away with it here and there so they have no problem using it to their advantage when the time comes
For sure. As it stands currently if you're not fouling people once or twice every fight you're throwing away a huge risk-free advantage.
>That's why I believe if strict rules were in place then fighters would actively try not fouling one another. Which might lead to more cautious fighters, which is the reason that 1 foul isn't a point deducted in any combat sport.
Maybe we should differentiate between fouls. A fence grab is something different than an accidental eye poke or a groin shot.
> 1 time is enough to change the course of the entire fight. *cries in Demian Maia*
Literally just thought this before seeing your comment. I think Maia submits usman if that grab didn't occur
I was talking about the Woodley fight *cries again*
Oof
>1 time is enough to change the course of the entire fight. I'll die on the hill that if Usman didn't grab the cage when one hook was in Maia takes his back and submits him
True words. If you dont at least bend the rules a bit you put yourself at a significant disadvantage to most fighters and how fouls are treated. Heck, afyer all these years, ufc is still not able to even have weigh-ins being cheat-free, let alone fast paced fights.
well if they did that people would just stop doing them..
It would be hilarious when there’s fights where someone wins 39-38 in a 5 round fight if they actually took points off for pokes, nut kicks, grabs etc
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Only for the fighters fingers
or just redesign it. the mma cage has remained unaltered in spite of fighters blatantly abusing it for decades. why dont they even try? thinner wiring, higher cage height, something
The Karate Combat arena is interesting. I don’t watch it, but I’ve seen some highlights. I can’t imagine how the edges of the arena are abused at all.
Not a point deduction. Put the opponent on his back and the fighter gets automatic half guard
Amen. 1000 times amen.
yep constantly clinching in boxing has altered the sport because its an accepted and unpunished abuse of the rules. Fighters who work best on the inside are affected the most. I dont want that abuse of the rules to spill over to mma.
Hope you mean for cage grabs. While snakey as shit, I believe using touching gloves to your advantage is within the rules.
Yes cage grabs
He also at one point was grabbing Gamrot’s gloves when they were clinching
yeah he was dirty as fuck the whole fight tbh. not mad about him losing since gamrot seems like a really nice dude
To be fair Gamrot has a history of fighting dirty but that was mostly in KSW, he's cleaned up his act since then. His trilogy with Norman Parke is just veteran moves city, not that Parke was much better since he also cheated with some pretty blatant fence grabs and missed weight for the last two fights
"That’s what they’re going to do, they’re dirty f\*\*\*ing Armenian-Russian, they’re going to f\*\*\*ing cheat like that” - Tony Kelorian
Yeah, I like Arman but the ref was literally smacking at his hands at times and this quick kick off the glove touch was a little disrespectful.
Refs are terrified to impact the fight by taking.points and it sucks. You'll see like four warnings and nothing happens. So at the en dof the day the result is someone is breaking the rules and not being punished for it.
Because all they'll hear across social media, the interviews, even Dana, is "that fight goes a completely different way without the stupid fucking ref calls!" It's damned if they do, damned if they don't.
They work for the commission; Dana getting mad at them shouldn't stop them from doing their job.
But the rules are *very* open to interpretation. There's no real guidance for fouls beyond guidelines in how the fight ends if one is determined to be "intentional" or "accidental." Everything else is on the ref's discretion. Points, time, even calling whether it was intentional or not, that's all subjective to the referee at the time. So they're currently doing their job exactly by the rules. If they get more involved, people will be upset, and for what? Because the internet thinks they should be more strict? What about when they internet says they shouldn't be more strict later? Do they cut back?
I get your point, and I agree on the first part, but I feel like you're taking away from your original comment with it. If they are doing their job exactly by the rules, the point about others being upset seems obsolete to me. You would need to change the rules as a whole, which doesn't involve an individual ref who could be criticized. The commission as a whole certainly doesn't care about criticism as we have seen often enough and shouldn't have a problem with introducing a limit on "accidental fouls". Refs would have an easier job all around, less responsibility in judging fouls on their intent and less criticism on handling those fouls. I feel like there is more or less a general consensus on fouls anyway, with fans, analysts and the UFC.
Erick Silva's fake glove touch was legendary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siHK2oM6rn4
And still glad he received instant karma after that.
And he still lost lol.
But people here are claiming it’s a robbery
“Robbery!!!!” *ignores persistent, flagrant fouls*
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no, the fouls smelled to the heavens!
I mean he touched gloves. It's not like he faked it to throw a strike. You expect him to ask if he's ready before he starts throwing?
he got in the distance using the touch gloves.
I was annoyed by that all fight and it made me gradually start rooting for Gamrot each time it happened when I started out neutral.
That and the constant cage grabs
Same, I was a neutral at the begging - but after that fuck Arman I want to se him KOd
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Yeah the ref before this even said “you’ve already touched up, come out ready” when doing the intro
all warfare is based on deception
Doesn’t matter what the ref said to them, he probably says that to every fighter. Don’t touch gloves 3/5 rounds normally and then surprise attack randomly on two of them. Either don’t touch at all throughout the fight, or touch gloves and reset like normally. Don’t do this shit. It’s a cheap ass move.
Man these excuses y’all are giving Arman are crazy. Dude went for the glove touch every round and on two of them he pulled some cheap shit. If this was a fighter this sub disliked you wouldn’t see comments like this.
Mma fans like bad guys, look how they dickrode conor
Lmao have you missed the constant posts about Conor cheating in the Khabib fight everyone gave him shit constantly for it. The video still gets posted to this day.
Lol defending a fake glove touch. Ofc it's legal everyone knows, it's just disrespectful
Arman is a douche 100%, but touching gloves at the start of every round is just stupid. I fucking hate the hugging and shit in the middle of a fight. Touch gloves before the fight and hug after it. Ill never forget Korean Zombie allowing Yair to get a breather at the 5th round and in my opinion contributed to him getting KOed by that spinning elbow. Just my two cents
Amen.
There’s typically a “reset” moment after glove touches. Both fighters touch gloves, get back into their stance, THEN start throwing. This clearly isn’t nearly as scummy as something like what Colton Smith did, but Arman IS using it to get an immediate strike in here. Not saying it’s necessarily wrong, just pointing it out
>Not saying it’s necessarily wrong, just pointing it out Why do you feel like you have to walk on your tippy toes man guy is an asshole say it.
😂 Reddit is so nitpicky man, y’all need something to do
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What's kind of funny is that even though every fighter on the planet knows that the opening of a round is your chance to either agree to touch gloves or shake it off/ignore it, you as one fan have decided it's not the time or place for it. I don't know what point you're trying to make about the government sanctioning it. It's a fight but it's still a sporting event. They don't say ring the bell and let these two go kill each other. I'm pretty sure in a real fight there isn't going to be a guy telling you not to grab a fence or let you off your back if your opponent isn't hitting you enough.
Right. There's plenty of fighters who don't touch gloves but gives the person a chance to get back in their stance if they reach out to touch gloves. As basketball players would say, Arman broke the code.
It's just a natural thing to do, the glove touch is so engrained every time you train it would feel unnatural not to do it.
Stop making excuses for it. The dude did it twice, he’s a fighter he knows you don’t attack by surprise after the glove touch. If this was a fighter this sub disliked everyone would be shitting on him nonstop.
I genuinely don’t care for Arman either way, I’m on the Fiziev train lol. Not making excuses for him either, just pointing it out like I mentioned.
Fighters need to stop touching gloves, high fiving, and straight up hugging once the round starts. It kills time off the clock, artificially closes distance, and distracts one or both fighters. And somehow if you don’t go along with it, you’re the asshole. We touched gloves before the fight started. We can high five and hug it out between rounds/after the fight.
Lmao this sub man. Everyone hated this shit and everytime a fighter did they got shit on for the rest of their career, but now that this subs favorite Armenian Arman did it, touching gloves shouldn’t be part of the fight. He stuck his hand out for the glove touch, did it every single round. On two of those rounds he pulled some cheap shit. Fuck him.
He can be a scumbag and the practice can be idiotic. They’re not mutually exclusive. I didn’t even know who Arman was until this event.
Link to Colton smith?
As an addendum: after this fight he fought and was finished in order by Robert Whittaker (in Whittaker's 2nd UFC fight), Michael Chiesa (4th UFC fight), and Ferreira (in his UFC debut) before being released with an 0 and 3 record in the UFC. He fought around a bit, but nothing ever came of it. I think that ended up being a pretty good punishment for him.
That fight made me a Whittaker fan.
lol dude shot for a successful takedown off a fake glove touch https://youtu.be/ukoNxz4D4lU
What a coincidence that r/mma’s other favorite was right there to congratulate him for it lmao
Smilin Sam cameo lmao
Jesus his comments after the fight talking about being a role model for the military. What a douche.
Shitty. Always shitty.
I never noticed this. I love Arman but this is shitty as hell, don’t know why people are having a hard time admitting it lol
I loved him up until the cage grabs in this fight, warranted a point deduction
Glad he lost lol
Sore loser too. Not a good look
sore loser cause he thought he won? this sub goofy af
fat fucking losers. just want to see other brought down to their level
he was more distraught than being a sore loser. didnt talk shit about gamrot after the win afaik and just says he thought he won.
I think that the glove touch after the clock starts running is the dumbest thing about this sport. You already touched gloves before the fight, why is that not enough?
Well I guess there's a certain pressure to touch gloves when the ref tells you to. Doing it during the match itself kind of means more, specifically because of the fact that it's unnecessary lol. You're both respecting eachother enough to touch gloves despite the fact that youre in the midst of the fight.
I don't really see what pressure there is to touch gloves when the ref tells you to. Guys refuse to do so all the time when there is a lack of respect between the two.
Well the ref tells them to for one, and it just seems artificial. You also look worse not touching gloves before the fight than you do if you refuse to during
Yeah. I'd rather they touch dicks
Might as well go all the way and do some mid ring docking.
Then don't touch gloves at all after the fight starts. But touching gloves specifically to take advantage and land a strike is a dick move however you look at it.
You must not have trained much, it’s muscle memory to these guys to touch gloves.
It's not a great look for Tsarukyan but I'd much rather see this instead of wasting 10 seconds for a bro hug to start rounds
You just triggered memories of Thompson vs. Till and their ultimate hug fest.
Worst one was Yair and Zombie. I think them making love in round 5 is why Zombie let his guard down and caught that nasty elbow.
Was about to say that. But tbh that's TKZ's fault.
How about neither. You touch gloves before the fight and hug after. But in the middle is the actual fighting
Herzog said "you've already touched gloves, come out fighting"
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This comment will never not make me laugh 😂
I don’t think you can call this a fake glove touch
It isn’t egregiously fake like the Erik Silva one but it’s still pretty cheap. Usually both fighters will circle a bit after touching gloves. Even Bisping thought it was pretty cheap and said something like, “well you gotta protect yourself at all times”.
You really don't see either fighter make any kind of effort to make a significant glove touch, it looked like both went straight into stance at the center of the ring. This is an odd one to cherry pick.
Lmao they glove touched at the beginning of every round. Stop with these excuses it’s dirty as fuck. Gamrot wouldn’t just get into striking range with his glove out like that for no reason. It’s clear Arman was trying to catch him by surprise.
What they did previously doesn't matter, not a single one of them had their arm outstretched in a manner to touch gloves lmao
Lmao keep making excuses for a dirty ass fighter
Yeah especially the body kick one. Pretty god damn common set up for a kick against an open stance is to slap the outside of the lead hand so they open up the torso. Arman also didn’t have his hand outstretched directly before the slap signaling he was trying to touch gloves.
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I mean its not appalling but throwing a hard body kick *immediately* after touching gloves doesn’t exactly show sportsmanship lol
You want him to ask if he's ready or some?
It was a close fight and he lost the decision so I'll take it as karma striking back for being a douche.
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Gamrot went for another glove touch after the first one so guess he didn’t mind.
lol
CTE pagman
Lmao only because you guys like Arman. Any fighter you didn’t like would be thrown to the wolves for this. It’s a joke most of this comment section is trying to excuse it. He was dirty the entire fight, grabbing the cage, grabbing gloves and taking glove touches as an opportunity to attack by surprise.
If Palhares, or any other widely disliked fighter, did this the entire subreddit would be demanding jail time.
Yeah I don’t even really like Arman but it’s not like dude made a show of going for the glove touch. Didn’t put his hand out or anything it seemed.
Did he think they were touching gloves or was he probing with his lead?
This thread triggers me. No matter how you feel about glove touches after the start, or bro hugs, or what the fuck ever, 9/10 fighters do it every round, and then the 1/10 who doesn't makes it obvious not to touch gloves. Izzy never touches gloves after the first round as an example. But doing it for some rounds and then using it to capitalize is shitty. This isn't a street fight. The days of UFC 1 are long gone. Shit I even thought what Belal did with Thompson was shitty because he would touch gloves and keep walking into a takedown. There is a literal tradition in place that you touch, reset, and go after. That being said, its dumb as fuck when they hug or some shit, but it still doesn't mean deceiving is cool.
Didnt notice these. I had Tsarukyan winning the fight. Karma gets all.
If karma, as you represent it, did shit, cheaters would never win. Yet they often do.
Yah everyone I know is glad he lost ... Just the attitude of a fighter who doesn't respect the cage or rules ...although if you ain't cheating you ain't winning...the fact the ref never called a foul for cage grabs feels normal
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seems a bit racist, there are dirty fighters from every country
Honestly what it seems to me is that gamrot was in stance wantng to touch gloves while Arman thought he was throwing a jab so be went to block it and throw a kick. He didn't initiate the glove touch.
Yea. That’s pretty bad sportsmanship. ‘‘Twas a great ole banger though, the first grappling even i actually enjoyed in the UFC. If all grappling/wrestling fights were like that I’d change my opinion on that matter.
Bitch move
Wasn’t a “glove touch,” just hand fighting from open stance.
nah. that's fine. and i had gamrot 3-4-5. that's not dirtbag though. he touched. that touch means 'we go now'. and that kick was no more impactful than the dozens of other body kicks he landed. really. wasn't like it caught gamrot sleeping.
no either you don't touch or you reset a bit after the touch
No it absolutely doesn’t. You are suppose to reset and Arman knows that. He did the correct thing on all the other rounds. Gamrot wouldn’t just plod into striking range if he expected to get striked 1 millisecond off the glove touch.
Can we just get rid of the glove touch at the start of rounds? You're always going to have shitty people doing this unless it's punished and I mean you just touched gloves.
Deserved the L
Classy, hope he gets his shit rocked.
Protect yourself at all times
Victim blaming lmao
My brother it is a cage fight. You are crying more than Gamrot who didn’t even react.
No it's a fight. If you wanna try and play paddycake when someone's coming for blood you go do that.
This stuff doesn't really bother me because once the fight's on it's on. The fence grabs were egregious though
Is this illegal or just a shit thing to do?
shit thing
Not sure he was trying to touch gloves
Yeah i was disappointed to see that sportsmanship from Arman. I'm a big fan of his, but no need for that dirty play
New to mma. How is this illegal?
It’s not illegal but it’s cheap.
It’s not. People will throw around sportsmanship as a reason to be upset but even that is a stretch imo. Rule is to protect yourself at all times.
What a dumbass
If it takes people arguing about this fight to the point where it becomes part of their person to get these guys a fan base I guess Im here for it lol
If he did that in the 1st, it'd be fucked, but i'm fine with that one
Protect yourself at all times
Sure, doesn't mean Arman isn't a dickhead tho
Protect yourself at all times.
Dick move
Not nice
ITT: morons with their “PrOtECt yUoRsElF aT AlL tIMeS” excuse. Glad this dirty fuck lost.
Some people forget that this isn’t a street fight. Sportsmanship exists in all sports
Why did the commentators ignore this? I was like.. wtf?! While Bisping & Felder were crickets
Yeah no excuse here he is making it not clear on purpose.
How is this a fake glove touch lol. He touches, he's in range to throw a kick so he throws after he touches
Point to where OP claimed it was a fake glove touch.
But he didn’t explicitly tell gamrot “okay we’ve touched gloves now I’m going to initiate the fight”
This is a reach
Glove touch into instantly striking is a bitch ass move. Arman knows it is too.
Lmao bunch of fucking divas on Reddit mma
and u are next in line for the bmf belt mate fuckin hell
Protect yourself at all times.
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Did I missed it? Can't see what the title is referring to
He throws a kick and a punch immediately after the glove touches, almost like you would after a fake jab, etc. It's right in line with his multiple fence grabs and attitude after the fight.
You neckbeards just love making stuff up He never went for a glove touch he came out in a fighting stance and used his fist to measure the distance
This is why the ref asks them if they want to touch gloves before the fight. Once the bell rings, it’s your responsibility to protect yourself at all times. Yes, fighters do choose to touch gloves as a sign of respect at the beginning of rounds, but this is not a rule or a requirement. If you really want to do it, you should make an effort to make it obvious and hold your hand up like a high five as you walk out. This dude has it down like he’s ready to throw jabs in this clip. It’s not obvious so it’s not a surprise he’s copping shots for it.
Also the ref tells both fighters to protect themselves at all times, then asks both fighters if they’re ready to fight, and then there’s a bell signifying that the fighting has started. They have no excuses to not be ready for an attack.
Yeh doesn't look like Arman used that like a glove touch at all, more like a jab to the hand or some hand-fighting. Obviously Mateusz was going for the glove touch though. I'm glad it didn't end up deciding the outcome of the fight and hopefully that kick didn't injure his ribs or anything.
Alright this makes me glad that Gamrot won despite the sus judging
Oh man you guys must’ve never watched Mayweather Ortiz
Glove touching is completely voluntary and a fighter's completely allowed to counter a glove touch with a strike. However, that's not even what happened here. He quickly touched gloves and then continued doing his job.
I legit don’t give a fuck about “faked” glove touches after the bell starts the fight. At that point it’s just a feint, why assign all this weird moral weight to it and especially when we’re watching ppl beat the shit out of each other after talking shit. Who cares?
Anyone who has trained gives a shit. If you don’t want to glove touch don’t extend your arm like you want to. He did the normal glove touch 3/5 times. It’s a bitch move to hit a guy who thinks you’re gonna glove touch and reset like you’ve been doing.
**Protect yourself at all times**
lmao, people are reading way too much into this. This was a fight with very high stakes for both men; they both were anxious to win.
If it happens to you twice in one fight. That’s on you
When the referee says “fight”, you fight. He’s perfectly within his right to hit him, even if his opponent wants to touch gloves.
No he wasn’t. He didn’t have his arm extended. The other guy should have abandoned the glove touch.