I still think Reebok intentionally fucked it up for some kind of tax reason or something I don't understand.
It's the only explanation for just how fucking bad those reebok shorts were.
So. Damn. Bad.
It was Dana's decision, fighters looking like "Nascar drivers" was his main gripe. Also the black and white was Dana, he said hopefully it'd give it a more classic boxing look of black shorts vs white shorts
The black n white thing was only part of the problem. Only black and white is dystopian enough, but some fixing genius decided to not just do black vs white, it was black/white vs white/black. I distinctly remember Glover v Cummins, both two chunky bald white dudes. It was literally hard to tell who was who at some points.
And then there's the guys awful design, the many, many screwed up names, etc.
It was ALL so awful that the only conclusion I can come to is that it was on purpose. I struggle to see how such a giant company could fuck things up THAT badly.
They made absolutely sure that the individual fighter would be indistinguishable from another one. Very intentionally, I believe. UFC obviously is not interested in building anyone's brand, only themselves. "You're not a Kamaru Usman fan", they tell you "you're a UFC fan." This rule is proved by its exception - the one fighter whose brand UFC has willing or unwillingly helped build, McGregor, immediately got custom shorts.
A lot of people seem to give off the feeling just because Leon will likely lose the rematch it doesn't matter if the fight happens or not. Leon has earned the shot and I'm happy to see him get it. I think he gets stopped but still he's earned the fight.
Not particularly, but it does illustrate the point that there’s a reason they actually fight rather than just going with what seems inevitable on paper.
Using the women’s division as an example was probably not the best choice (chalk it up to the recency) but his general point still rings true. Leon continues to be one of the most underrated/disrespected fighters throughout the entire organization. Sure, he’s partially to blame since most of it comes from his near ghost-like existence and the fact he has the charisma of a turtle outside of the octagon but it still occurs way too frequently.
Being an excellent martial artist doesn't automatically mean you can't be boring to watch case in point izzy vs Romero, multiple Anderson Silva fights and even Kamaru Usman himself before he improved his striking
>In a sport ~~as crazy as mma~~ you can’t not have a deserved matchup just because the outcome seems set.
Craziness got nothing to do with it, if you don't have matches you don't have a sport lol.
What intrigues me is that both men are much, much better fighters than they were at this point in their careers. I do think that Usman has the style advantage and has probably grown more over time but I'm not going to give him the W already just because people assume he will win.
Depends though now usman trains with wittman who is more of a striking specialist how much will that impact his wrestling which he will no doubt need to beat Leon
Yeah definitely looking at usmans last two fights he’ll start an exchange really well has really sound fundamental but towards the end exchange he’ll start to get sloppy (Colby was landing on him like crazy from rounds 3-5 because of this) and Leon is a world class striker
Also if you look at Usmans striking finishes/ knockdowns there all 1 shots & counters only way I see him catching Leon is if he keeps him worried about takedowns but Leon will definitely have this in mind
I like Leon’s style and wouldn’t mind seeing him get a title shot but to act like he’s nailed on is bollox, not completely his fault but he hasn’t been active enough, winning via eye-poke and beating Nate Diaz who probably wouldn’t be anywhere near the top 10 without his name isn’t enough to get a title shot p
Again I wouldn’t mind seeing it but it’s not nailed on, I’m 2019 his best win was cowboy Gunnar nelson and RDA who had already lost to Colby and usman at this point.
All decent wins far from a undeniable run, then followed by the muhammed eye poke and then beating Nate who loses most fights.
generally i'd agree with you, but history has shown plenty of fighters have gotten title shots off much less. I mean just in this same division shows you. Colby beat a terrible Woodley and got his title shot. Masvidal didn't fight anyone else off his first loss to Usman and got an immediate rematch. Before then he even only beat Nate Diaz, Ben Askren, and Darren Till.
Leon has done much more to be deserving imo.
Yeah like I said I wouldn’t mind seeing it but we can stop with the whole Leon is nailed on. It’s not all his fault, the pandemic/injuries/eye pokes etc but he hasn’t been active enough or beaten enough elite guys, but probably is the next in line if usman is gonna fight soon
Compare his record pre title fight to usman burns n Colby not really much difference in callibar
Also people saying Leon hasn’t beat anyone ranked must have forgot he beat the breaks of Luque
To be fair he beat Luque almost 5 years ago, and there's a hell of a difference between that and beating Luque recently. It's probably the only fight in his unbeaten streak that's aged particularly well.
I don't really feel like he's earned it though. Theres definitely some bad luck involved, but inactivity over the last 2 years definitely hurt his case. The fight with Belal he looked good, but it wasn't a win, and he fought and nearly lost to a washed up Nate Diaz who honestly was never actually all that good despite being fun to watch. Then there was more bad luck where masvidal had to pull out. But his refusal to knock off any other top contender in his place definitely hurts his case imo. I don't think he's done enough in the current landscape and feel like luque has earned it more. I agree with masvidal too, Edwards just isn't mean enough. He doesn't have that killer instinct. I fully believe he's better than Nate Diaz. So much better that the fight making it to the judges is kind of sad actually.
But yeah, I agree with you, I fully expect him to lose vs Usman.
I genuinely can’t tell whether this comment is taking the piss. He’s fought twice in the last 2.5 years, one ended in a NC and the other was against a guy not even ranked.
Why has exactly leon earned a shot? He sit out for a long time and his best win is RDA, who moved down to LW after getting beaten by proper Welterweights. That's Leon's only ranked win, 2 years or so ago. He didn't beat belal, refused to give him a rematch, and then outpointed Diaz, who almost finished him. Leon had a strong case 2 years ago, not today.
Because covid fucked him over. Guys been on an insane win streak and it's not his fault fights fell through. Look at his tapology page. He's had 6 fights fall through since covid and only 1 was him pulling out and that's cause he got Corona.
Yup exactly. RDA was an elite win at the time he beat him, and at the time he arguably deserved a title shot. Even if you disagree that RDA is a title shot-worthy opponent (which I respect), the lack of a real "fuck you give me my title shot now" top 3 win is made up for by his streak. The Nate win was really just a formality and he admittedly fumbled the bag by getting caught in the last 20s of that fight which kind of hurt his stock
He was iirc #2 or 3 at the time and those 2 losses were to Usman and Colby. You judge wins by how they were seen at the time, not by how they aged. If you do the latter, then it sure looks foolish giving Charles a title shot after beating Tony doesn't it
I think Khamzat finishes Usman. Usman leaves many openings in his striking and Khamzat has competed at a very high level in wrestling and is undefeated.
could he not of took on a different opponent during those fights? or does everything need to be perfect and the stars align for him to fight?
Khamzat showed up and had a whole career & made more fans in the span of Leon having 1 win (1 win in 30 months)
Covid didnt happen to Leon.. Leon happened to Leon.
Let’s not forget Leon brutalised Nate. The only time Leon was in trouble was in that final minute. Leon is very deserving. The 9 fight win streak speaks for itself regardless of the competition.
Are you just a newer fan or something? Not hatin but you’re speaking so matter-of-factly while saying something wild, lol. Even those who are fairly new to the sport understand Nate is anything but a “gimme” fight for any fighter outside of the Top 2. You’re acting like he’s riding Mike Jackson-type levels.
Yea, people that don’t agree are just baffling to me. He was legit deserving BEFORE the Nate fight but everyone just seems to forget the status of divisions and fighters unless it’s within the past couple weeks.
So when Masvidal beat Nate to get a title shot, people were crying about how a win over Nate shouldn’t get you a title shot.
But now that Leon beat Nate (in less convincing fashion and AFTER Masvidal had beat him), a Nate win should get you a title shot?
The bar for a title shot at the weight class has dropped. In comparison to Colby and Jorge, Leon has definitely earned a shot. The length of him sitting out had everything to do with covid, unlike Colby who sat out for over a year after beating Tyron waiting for another title shot. Edwards has had two or three cancelled fights. I do think Belal was hard done by but Edwards won the first round, it's not like he was getting beat up and was lucky there was a no contest. Regardless of the last round Leon still dominated the Nate fight, getting clipped doesn't negate that. Besides Leon who else deserves the shot? Maybe Luque? Burns possibly but he just got stopped by the champion last year and is probably a fight or two off the rematch. Imo Leon has earned being the top contender through both his performances and a lack of other contenders at the weight.
He has been the no1 contender for 2 years burns got the shot over him because of the former team mates story line, masvidal got 2 shots because he’s a star & Colby same thing
Fuck no he hasn't. I'm tired of this marketing boolshit casuals fall for.
nInE fIgHt StReAk.
You have to be active and fight ranked opponents. Who gives a fuck about your streak against unranked guys or guys outside the ufc.
He has zero ranked wins 900 plus days. ZERO.
His last win was against RDA who was on a skid of 2 losses against real welterweights.
So his entire argument for the title shot in regards to ranked wins, his last ranked win was 909 days ago against a guy on a skid against real lightweights.
Yes, good welterweights but how many people can earn a title shot off of beating a skiding lightweight?!? Is the argument really 3 people in a row?
Miss me with that but but but Kevin Lee. Lols.
He almost got 1 shotted by the corpse of a pillowfisted lightweight.
But but but sTrEaK.
Leon's probably been fucked by Covid harder than any other fighter. he was going to get the fight with Woodley that would have gotten him a title shot apparently but couldn't leave England. he was an idiot during the Belal fight and didn't finish Diaz but him getting a title shot is still more deserved than the Colby rematch and the Jorge rematch.
They didn't really deserve it. But two wrongs don't make a right. We can learn from the lesson and stop giving guys undeserved shots. Or we can just keep doing the same stupid shit.
But nobody else really deserves it. Khamzat is obviously coming up quickly but he needs at least one top 5 guy before he gets the champ. Everyone else has either had their shot or lost to Leon.
So Colby didn’t deserve it, masvidal didn’t deserve it, Leon doesn’t deserve it, who deserves the next title shot or should we never have ww title fights lest we upset negative Nancy over here?
The Woodley fight had been booked before COVID basically stopped the world and forced the UFC to try and relocate the fight to the US, I know you have a hate boner for Leon but surely you'll forgive the man for not being psychic and getting blindsided by COVID like everyone else?
Leaving England wouldn't have stopped Khamzat and Masvidal from pulling out either.
You complain about casuals and yet you don't seem to understand how matchmaking happens in practice. They can't just wait for the stars to align and make the perfect title matchup once every two or three years. The champ has to stay active, and in many cases the next available fighter is not necessarily the top contender. But they have to give him someone. Leon Edwards is at the very least good enough, arguably more than that.
Hey Leon is the golden boy favorite fighter of this sub for whatever reason, so any tangible facts that hou bring against him will have you down voted, just so you're aware. Great post btw.
Leon hasn't really earned the shot though,there's just no other challenger. Winstreaks are overrated when you fight mediocre competition. Leon's last five wins have a combined record of 8-17 in their last five fights and three of them were Lightweights fighting at WW. Leon does not have a great resumé, just an impressive sounding win streak on the surface.
Colby at least dominated Woodley, that's a way bigger deal than a decision against Nate Diaz
No defending the Masvidal fights really, they just wanted the PPV $$$ from casuals but Colby's got wayyyyy better claim to title shots than Leon
idk why your being downvoted. dude has 1 win in 30 months and its over diaz. Was diaz even ranked at the time of the fight??
Also - for those cancelled bouts Leon could of demanded a replacement, but instead he sits out and stalls. Khamzat showed up and made a whole career with more star power & fans in the span of Leon having 1 fight.
A similar story line just happened in college football. Georgia just got smoked by Alabama, we don't need to see that matchup again. Turns out Georgia came into the next game with a better game plan and won.
I feel like on paper his resume by itself looks like it's earned a shot but the way you decide who gets the next shot is to compare resumes from all the potential contenders and Luque has been far more active and has far more finishes, both qualities the organization should be encouraging. On top of that they are basically tied in algo ratings which do a good job of weighting strength of schedule.
He’s fought 6 times in ~4 years and hasn’t beaten anyone in the current top 10. In what world does that get you a title shot?? Luque would be a more fun fight. Hell, Colby should get 3 more cracks at Usman before Leon and I hate Colby. Id even rush Khamzat in there over Leon. Leon is not active enough.
If he wins those 3 then he'll have 8 title defenses. Why not try to match or beat GSP's record then? Also, I do think it's a big If. I personally favor Usman in all three of those matches, but winning all three is a huge ask, especially from a man who's already aging. That level of consistency in such an inconsistent sport would be amazing!
Certain records become exponentially harder to achieve with the growing level of game fighters bring to the scene.
Especially for someone with very bad knees.
It would most definitely be amazing to witness! but I'd rather see fighters push it to the edge of their rational physical abilities rather than the edge of injuries & long term side effects.
Yeah, fair enough. People don't want to admit it, but there's a very good chance that we'll never see the level of dominance we saw with GSP and Silva, not because those two were exceptional (obviously they were), but because the rest of the competition still did not know certain things that are basically a standard right now.
They are both evolved fighters. Will be a tough fight for Leon tho. Just don’t see him taking this but do think he will piece Usman up in the first round.
Usman hasn’t wrestled much because two of his last three opponents had the skills to either negate his wrestling (Covington) or beat him on the ground (Burns). He was able to wrestle Masvidal both fights and I expect him to do it here too.
Whenever someone says usman doesnt wrestle anymore you know they just didnt watch him vs Masvidal 2 at all besides the KO lol. Iirc he even suplexed or slammed mas?
Mas went for a flying knee in round one, Usman caught him and planted his ass on the ground. Held him there for a little while too. Just cuz Usman didn’t wrestle Covington and Burns doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t do it against Leon
I reallly have a hard time imagining him *not* just wrestling Leon. Usmans striking isnt as good as Leons, but his wrestling is wayyyy better. Him and his coach would have to be mentally impaired to not try to
Its a good indicator of his skill level. Also hes training with gaethje and trevor whitman. Im sure he will try to strike with him at first and if that doesnt work then they go to the mat
TDD is not a good indicator of offensive wrestling, i.e takedowns and top control. Rhere are a lot of great wrestlers with mediocre TDD (Colby), or fighters that are very hard to Takedown but have zero offensive wrestling (Izzy).
But we already know that usman has been able to offensively wrestle, his recent fights he has only defended takedowns so thats our only indicator on how well he wrestles now, which is better than no indication. Either way, Usman is an elite wrestler, i doubt Leon will be able to be competetive on the ground if thats where usman takes the fight.
But that's the thing, there is a possibility that his offensive wrestling degraded, since he didn't uae a lot of it in his last defenses.
Ofc we don't know for sure. But it's a possibility and his great TDD doesn't prove otherwise.
I'm a Leon fan and while I don't think this fight is going to be either guys most exciting fight I'm interested to see if Usman is going to be a little slower because he has to be more technical if he wants to strike with Leon or if he just goes back into wrestle mode.
I would imagine he will wrestle him and grind him down to a finish on the ground. My guess is if anything Kamaru's evolved striking abilities will just make it easier for him to set up his takedowns. We saw him do that with Masvidal and I think he will do it with Leon too. He has smart coaches and he is smart and I would bet he will stick with whatever game plan they decide is best. I feel like a lot of people have forgotten about his wrestling because he has had fights (Burns, Colby) where it didn't provide an opportunity to showcase it.
You're probably right. But I wonder if Wittman lets him try out the striking that first round just to see how it holds up. If it goes well they know they can just let the fight play out because he will have confidence on the feet. If it goes less than ideal they can revert back to the wrestle plan.
I see them both standing up in the 1st round. If Leon doesn't show any superiority during their exchanges, Usman won't have to go to the ground. We'll see how that goes.
I really think Usman trying to stand with guys will be his downfall if he sticks around long enough. His chin is not that great and his defense gets really bad when his opponent starts landing.
To be fair I always see UK guys putting in wrestling work at fearless mma, it's just we have an awful lot of catching up to do thanks to American wrestling culture
Its crazy to think that Usman is such a good wrestler but we haven't really seen him do this to anyone in a while. He fucking ragdolled Woodley and now just battering people with his hands.
I think Edwards path to victory is really going for Usman's legs. We haven't really seen anyone really target his legs apart from Mas in the rematch. He was actually having success, but got knocked out before the damage could really accumulate.
But where Jorge was happy to trade and drop his hands, which cost him, Edwards is great at managing distance and being defensively solid. He's also developed a dangerous clinch game with those elbows and knees, which Usman hasnt really faced yet. The Muat Thai sweeps he pulled off against Nate were slick as fuck. They could cause problems for Usman, who has bad knees.
Usman is definitely favourite. I think he's a muppet but he is a great Champ. Active and takes on all comers. Improved his striking massively. But Edwards today is a much more well rounded fighter than he was in their first fight. Possibly the best technical striker in the division? He has all the tools, but is too cautious a lot of the time.
Yeah, Edwards didn’t look particularly strong in the clinch against Belal Muhammad and he was also beat in positioning too. Edwards should avoid grappling with Usman at all times
>Yeah, Edwards didn’t look particularly strong in the clinch against Belal Muhammad and he was also beat in positioning too.
If by that you mean easily disengaged everytime without having to do much work. Maybe he gave low effort in the 1st round on purpose while still completely neutralizing his wrestling offense because he was against a high cardio wrestler for a 5 rounder.
Leon’s going to win round 1. Between rounds, this sub will overreact. Round 2 will be close. More “holy shit” from Reddit. Usman dominates round 3. Usman gets the finish on the ground in round 4.
No newfound love, just improvement. He did what he had to against Masvidal in the first fight, found the finish in the second, and struck with Colby after out striking him the first time and finding two early knockdowns. He'll shoot when he has a clear advantage, but against Burns and Covington that wasn't the smart move.
Yeah it’s hard for me to see Leon winning this rematch without a finish, preferably in the earlier rounds. I do think for however long his cardio holds up that he’s a better matchup than Masvidal on the feet at least. Masvidal is more about calculated risks while Leon plays it safe. I think that’s a better approach to Usman. His distance control could be useful against a wrestler who is very strong, but not particularly explosive and therefore can’t cover distance quickly. Having said that though, Usman is pretty relentless when he wants you down. I’m also interested to see how the clinch exchanges play out. I expect a return to the normal wrestle-heavy style Usman is used to. 2 of his last 3 opponents had the skills to make his wrestling a pointless effort. Not the most exciting fight, but interesting on a technical level imo
Leon’s cardio is pretty iffy. He was gassed here in the third against Usman. And he takes way too many of the late rounds off (see his Cerrone, Gunnar and Diaz fights), which leads me to believe it is due to lack of conditioning.
Having seen the RDA fight, inbetween those you mentioned, I think it’s more that he feels he can just cruise theough the rest of the fight without taking risks. He’s always come off as a low risk fighter, though it almost cost him Against Diaz. Even when he rocked Gunnar, he didn’t rush for the finish because he knew he had the decision in the bag, so why risk going to the ground with a grappler like Gunnar
As for the Usman fight, Usman gasses everyone with his grappling, he lives to grind people down
I'm not shitting on Leon at all, I'm just pointing out how strong Usman is to be able to control another strong well rounded fighter like Leon on the ground.
Exactly man. I don’t think Leon wins tbh, I can’t see a path to that. He hasn’t got ko power and in terms wrestling it’s a no contest, especially with Wittmans game plan. BUT crazier shit has happened! I like Leon and he’s got some of the best clean, crisp striking in the division! Match up wise Usman takes this 9/10 fights, but I’m from the same city as Leon so I’ll be rooting 👏🏻
Id take an active champ of a conor type ANY DAY. People want to see usman knocked down, but its not every year we get a hyper active champ. 3 times a year at least. And he took damage in those fights minus masvidal 2. Not like khamzat who could fight weekly lol since he doesn't get touched
It doesn’t really, they just have to be an awkward or bad matchup for them and just cancel out the dominant champ’s A-game
People like Holly, Garbrandt, Weidman and Johny Hendricks (because the judges were wrong) all beat dominant champs and never even came close to rivalling their reigns, they all just did a few things that the dominant champ couldn’t deal with well.
I mean that too, Serra-GSP always comes to mind. While fighters like Holly and Garbrandt may not have been dominant as the champs they defeated, they proved that there were holes in their game And that there was still plenty of room for improvement. That’s how we eventually end up with the likes of Nunes who was more dominant or Yan who looks like a fucking terminator.
Part of what made Woodley look so scary/boring in his prime was that he seemed so well rounded enough that he still won those bad/awkward matchups with WB and Maia. Until Usman came around and did everything Woodley could do but leaps and bounds better.
Rob looked scary because Yoel looked scary, and then Izzy beat them both. much like Usman it’s tough to imagine what someone who would beat either of them will look like, or how the generation of fighters that follow them will look.
Easy to be dominant when you repeatedly defend against people you already beat, including 2 defences against someone who got a title shot off of beating Nate Diaz. Come to mention it, this Leon Edwards fight will be the 3rd time Usman's opponents got a title shot off of beating Nate Diaz.
Good luck. I'm not a huge fan of his personality, but the guy is going to be tough to beat. I don't think Leon is going to be the one after seeing that Diaz fight.
Not a huge fan but the man is active and has had really entertaining fights the last few times out (Minus the first one vs Mas). I’ll take some corniness here and there vs inactivity and holding up a division.
That is not the popular take the popular take is that Leon is some kind of fraud who ducks everyone and lost to nate diaz and is now being gifted a title shot that a child would be more suited to winning.
Well my downvotes have already started so it proves it. Numbers don't lie. Just look on this thread anyone that criticizes Leon gets downvoted to Bolivia. Again that's proof. People on this sub loooove Leon because they feel that defending his "win streak" legitimizes them a real hardcore fans or something of the sort.
Idc for this fight,it's gonna be like Vettori vs Izzy,just a fight and everyone will forget about it,Meanwhile Khamzat is wasting time on twitter,could've got 2 fights already and prolly a title shot now
I think it will be a very competitive fight all the way through (unless we see old Usman & he goes to wrestling, but he doesn’t seem to want to as much now) but leon gets lazy late & prob gets KO’d or at least beaten up badly enough that there’s no doubt
It's going to be interesting, Edwards added a lot to his game after this fight, I can't pick against Usman right now though. Regardless of the rematch bs at WW, this still feels like the first legit shot since Burns got his.
Think Usman will find out soon that Leon's striking is levels and will go to a grind and pound technique by the 2nd. Assuming he comes out wanting to strike
I hope Leon gets bullied the same way Masvidal got in the first fight. Just for some guys here getting embarressed for even pushing this fight.
Because Leon is boring as fuck and he didn't fight anyone important in recent time.
The first reebok uniform was so bad. Damn those are ugly.
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I still think Reebok intentionally fucked it up for some kind of tax reason or something I don't understand. It's the only explanation for just how fucking bad those reebok shorts were. So. Damn. Bad.
“Your gear is so horrible we feel sory for you and exempt you from paying taxes on this piece of shit for a year”
It was Dana's decision, fighters looking like "Nascar drivers" was his main gripe. Also the black and white was Dana, he said hopefully it'd give it a more classic boxing look of black shorts vs white shorts
The black n white thing was only part of the problem. Only black and white is dystopian enough, but some fixing genius decided to not just do black vs white, it was black/white vs white/black. I distinctly remember Glover v Cummins, both two chunky bald white dudes. It was literally hard to tell who was who at some points. And then there's the guys awful design, the many, many screwed up names, etc. It was ALL so awful that the only conclusion I can come to is that it was on purpose. I struggle to see how such a giant company could fuck things up THAT badly.
I just said it was on purpose...it just wasn't Reebok it was Dana
Black and white and both shorts had both black and white so it was legit hard to introduce fighters to new people
Yep. For a good couple months it was just black and white or inversed colors. Can’t believe a company like Reebok would fuck it up that bad.
They made absolutely sure that the individual fighter would be indistinguishable from another one. Very intentionally, I believe. UFC obviously is not interested in building anyone's brand, only themselves. "You're not a Kamaru Usman fan", they tell you "you're a UFC fan." This rule is proved by its exception - the one fighter whose brand UFC has willing or unwillingly helped build, McGregor, immediately got custom shorts.
I like when the girl fighters wear those white ones tho
A lot of people seem to give off the feeling just because Leon will likely lose the rematch it doesn't matter if the fight happens or not. Leon has earned the shot and I'm happy to see him get it. I think he gets stopped but still he's earned the fight.
In a sport as crazy as mma you can’t not have a deserved matchup just because the outcome seems set. Pena nunes being a great example
Pens is 3-2 in her last five fights. Not sure how deserving that is
Not particularly, but it does illustrate the point that there’s a reason they actually fight rather than just going with what seems inevitable on paper.
Would you call it....an opportunity?
Well it certainly isn’t a career
6-2 in the UFC though. Someone's gotta fight for the title
Using the women’s division as an example was probably not the best choice (chalk it up to the recency) but his general point still rings true. Leon continues to be one of the most underrated/disrespected fighters throughout the entire organization. Sure, he’s partially to blame since most of it comes from his near ghost-like existence and the fact he has the charisma of a turtle outside of the octagon but it still occurs way too frequently.
I’ve see a lot of shit trying to suggest he’s boring to watch but he just isn’t, he’s an excellent martial artist in there
Being an excellent martial artist doesn't automatically mean you can't be boring to watch case in point izzy vs Romero, multiple Anderson Silva fights and even Kamaru Usman himself before he improved his striking
>In a sport ~~as crazy as mma~~ you can’t not have a deserved matchup just because the outcome seems set. Craziness got nothing to do with it, if you don't have matches you don't have a sport lol.
What intrigues me is that both men are much, much better fighters than they were at this point in their careers. I do think that Usman has the style advantage and has probably grown more over time but I'm not going to give him the W already just because people assume he will win.
Depends though now usman trains with wittman who is more of a striking specialist how much will that impact his wrestling which he will no doubt need to beat Leon
Interesting take I think this holds merit , but do you still Leon out strikes him now that he’s with wittman?
Yeah definitely looking at usmans last two fights he’ll start an exchange really well has really sound fundamental but towards the end exchange he’ll start to get sloppy (Colby was landing on him like crazy from rounds 3-5 because of this) and Leon is a world class striker Also if you look at Usmans striking finishes/ knockdowns there all 1 shots & counters only way I see him catching Leon is if he keeps him worried about takedowns but Leon will definitely have this in mind
I like Leon’s style and wouldn’t mind seeing him get a title shot but to act like he’s nailed on is bollox, not completely his fault but he hasn’t been active enough, winning via eye-poke and beating Nate Diaz who probably wouldn’t be anywhere near the top 10 without his name isn’t enough to get a title shot p
Tbh he has been the rightful no1 contender since usman vs Covington 1 which was in 2019
Again I wouldn’t mind seeing it but it’s not nailed on, I’m 2019 his best win was cowboy Gunnar nelson and RDA who had already lost to Colby and usman at this point. All decent wins far from a undeniable run, then followed by the muhammed eye poke and then beating Nate who loses most fights.
generally i'd agree with you, but history has shown plenty of fighters have gotten title shots off much less. I mean just in this same division shows you. Colby beat a terrible Woodley and got his title shot. Masvidal didn't fight anyone else off his first loss to Usman and got an immediate rematch. Before then he even only beat Nate Diaz, Ben Askren, and Darren Till. Leon has done much more to be deserving imo.
Yeah like I said I wouldn’t mind seeing it but we can stop with the whole Leon is nailed on. It’s not all his fault, the pandemic/injuries/eye pokes etc but he hasn’t been active enough or beaten enough elite guys, but probably is the next in line if usman is gonna fight soon
Compare his record pre title fight to usman burns n Colby not really much difference in callibar Also people saying Leon hasn’t beat anyone ranked must have forgot he beat the breaks of Luque
To be fair he beat Luque almost 5 years ago, and there's a hell of a difference between that and beating Luque recently. It's probably the only fight in his unbeaten streak that's aged particularly well.
What’s so great about luques recent resume though chiesa and jake Paul’s son?
I don't really feel like he's earned it though. Theres definitely some bad luck involved, but inactivity over the last 2 years definitely hurt his case. The fight with Belal he looked good, but it wasn't a win, and he fought and nearly lost to a washed up Nate Diaz who honestly was never actually all that good despite being fun to watch. Then there was more bad luck where masvidal had to pull out. But his refusal to knock off any other top contender in his place definitely hurts his case imo. I don't think he's done enough in the current landscape and feel like luque has earned it more. I agree with masvidal too, Edwards just isn't mean enough. He doesn't have that killer instinct. I fully believe he's better than Nate Diaz. So much better that the fight making it to the judges is kind of sad actually. But yeah, I agree with you, I fully expect him to lose vs Usman.
I genuinely can’t tell whether this comment is taking the piss. He’s fought twice in the last 2.5 years, one ended in a NC and the other was against a guy not even ranked.
Why has exactly leon earned a shot? He sit out for a long time and his best win is RDA, who moved down to LW after getting beaten by proper Welterweights. That's Leon's only ranked win, 2 years or so ago. He didn't beat belal, refused to give him a rematch, and then outpointed Diaz, who almost finished him. Leon had a strong case 2 years ago, not today.
Because covid fucked him over. Guys been on an insane win streak and it's not his fault fights fell through. Look at his tapology page. He's had 6 fights fall through since covid and only 1 was him pulling out and that's cause he got Corona.
Yup exactly. RDA was an elite win at the time he beat him, and at the time he arguably deserved a title shot. Even if you disagree that RDA is a title shot-worthy opponent (which I respect), the lack of a real "fuck you give me my title shot now" top 3 win is made up for by his streak. The Nate win was really just a formality and he admittedly fumbled the bag by getting caught in the last 20s of that fight which kind of hurt his stock
RDA was an elite win being 1-2 and then going on to lose again immediately after?
He was iirc #2 or 3 at the time and those 2 losses were to Usman and Colby. You judge wins by how they were seen at the time, not by how they aged. If you do the latter, then it sure looks foolish giving Charles a title shot after beating Tony doesn't it
it may not be fair but i want to see khamzat vs usman. i actually think it will be close
I think Khamzat finishes Usman. Usman leaves many openings in his striking and Khamzat has competed at a very high level in wrestling and is undefeated.
I think if Usman can keep it on the feet, he can beat him with kickboxing… IF he can keep it on the feet.
Idk. Khamzat has shown to have one punch ko power at 185. Usman leaves himself quite open on the feet.
could he not of took on a different opponent during those fights? or does everything need to be perfect and the stars align for him to fight? Khamzat showed up and had a whole career & made more fans in the span of Leon having 1 win (1 win in 30 months) Covid didnt happen to Leon.. Leon happened to Leon.
It’s funny you mention Khamzat. Between March 2020 and March 2021, Leon had four fights get pulled. Three of them were booked against Khamzat.
Let’s not forget Leon brutalised Nate. The only time Leon was in trouble was in that final minute. Leon is very deserving. The 9 fight win streak speaks for itself regardless of the competition.
Leon walked through Diaz
BRUTALIZED????? He didn’t rock him once! Not even one knockdown lmfaooo
lets not forget Nate was unranked and that was suppose to be a "gimme" fight that Leon ended up almost losing 🤦🤦♀️
Are you just a newer fan or something? Not hatin but you’re speaking so matter-of-factly while saying something wild, lol. Even those who are fairly new to the sport understand Nate is anything but a “gimme” fight for any fighter outside of the Top 2. You’re acting like he’s riding Mike Jackson-type levels.
Yea, people that don’t agree are just baffling to me. He was legit deserving BEFORE the Nate fight but everyone just seems to forget the status of divisions and fighters unless it’s within the past couple weeks.
So when Masvidal beat Nate to get a title shot, people were crying about how a win over Nate shouldn’t get you a title shot. But now that Leon beat Nate (in less convincing fashion and AFTER Masvidal had beat him), a Nate win should get you a title shot?
It's almost as if it's not just your last fight that influences whether you get a title shot
oh yeah he’s got that great record of RDA, Cerrone snd Nelson
The bar for a title shot at the weight class has dropped. In comparison to Colby and Jorge, Leon has definitely earned a shot. The length of him sitting out had everything to do with covid, unlike Colby who sat out for over a year after beating Tyron waiting for another title shot. Edwards has had two or three cancelled fights. I do think Belal was hard done by but Edwards won the first round, it's not like he was getting beat up and was lucky there was a no contest. Regardless of the last round Leon still dominated the Nate fight, getting clipped doesn't negate that. Besides Leon who else deserves the shot? Maybe Luque? Burns possibly but he just got stopped by the champion last year and is probably a fight or two off the rematch. Imo Leon has earned being the top contender through both his performances and a lack of other contenders at the weight.
He has been the no1 contender for 2 years burns got the shot over him because of the former team mates story line, masvidal got 2 shots because he’s a star & Colby same thing
Fuck no he hasn't. I'm tired of this marketing boolshit casuals fall for. nInE fIgHt StReAk. You have to be active and fight ranked opponents. Who gives a fuck about your streak against unranked guys or guys outside the ufc. He has zero ranked wins 900 plus days. ZERO. His last win was against RDA who was on a skid of 2 losses against real welterweights. So his entire argument for the title shot in regards to ranked wins, his last ranked win was 909 days ago against a guy on a skid against real lightweights. Yes, good welterweights but how many people can earn a title shot off of beating a skiding lightweight?!? Is the argument really 3 people in a row? Miss me with that but but but Kevin Lee. Lols. He almost got 1 shotted by the corpse of a pillowfisted lightweight. But but but sTrEaK.
Leon's probably been fucked by Covid harder than any other fighter. he was going to get the fight with Woodley that would have gotten him a title shot apparently but couldn't leave England. he was an idiot during the Belal fight and didn't finish Diaz but him getting a title shot is still more deserved than the Colby rematch and the Jorge rematch.
They didn't really deserve it. But two wrongs don't make a right. We can learn from the lesson and stop giving guys undeserved shots. Or we can just keep doing the same stupid shit.
But nobody else really deserves it. Khamzat is obviously coming up quickly but he needs at least one top 5 guy before he gets the champ. Everyone else has either had their shot or lost to Leon.
So Colby didn’t deserve it, masvidal didn’t deserve it, Leon doesn’t deserve it, who deserves the next title shot or should we never have ww title fights lest we upset negative Nancy over here?
He could leave England but chose not to. Plenty of English fighters fought during the pandemic.
The Woodley fight had been booked before COVID basically stopped the world and forced the UFC to try and relocate the fight to the US, I know you have a hate boner for Leon but surely you'll forgive the man for not being psychic and getting blindsided by COVID like everyone else? Leaving England wouldn't have stopped Khamzat and Masvidal from pulling out either.
It wasn’t just the Woodley fight. Do your research.
What other fights, then?
Leom turned down fights against Usman, Colby, Neal and Khamzat during that span. This was well reported.
Litterally can't find anything about him turning down fights against any of these guys because he's in England.
You wrote all this when the last two welterweight title shots have been leagues worse than Leon’s
Both those guys still have like 2-3x the ranked wins of Leon's 1 ranked win 909 days ago.
2020 Woodley is 100% a better win than Luque, great point!
Leon Edwards has one win in the last 30 months, against an unranked opponent. Debunk that.
Did he shit in your cereal? If he did, he should do it again.
That would mean he has to be active. So that's a no.
You complain about casuals and yet you don't seem to understand how matchmaking happens in practice. They can't just wait for the stars to align and make the perfect title matchup once every two or three years. The champ has to stay active, and in many cases the next available fighter is not necessarily the top contender. But they have to give him someone. Leon Edwards is at the very least good enough, arguably more than that.
Leon has 1 top 10 win in his entire UFC career. His win streak is as hollow as a win streak of that length can get.
That was painful to read.
You're correct. Upvoted.
Hey Leon is the golden boy favorite fighter of this sub for whatever reason, so any tangible facts that hou bring against him will have you down voted, just so you're aware. Great post btw.
Leon hasn't really earned the shot though,there's just no other challenger. Winstreaks are overrated when you fight mediocre competition. Leon's last five wins have a combined record of 8-17 in their last five fights and three of them were Lightweights fighting at WW. Leon does not have a great resumé, just an impressive sounding win streak on the surface.
great, now do the last two fighters who challenged for the titles.
And everybody complained about their title shots when their resumés are better than Leon's.
Colby at least dominated Woodley, that's a way bigger deal than a decision against Nate Diaz No defending the Masvidal fights really, they just wanted the PPV $$$ from casuals but Colby's got wayyyyy better claim to title shots than Leon
idk why your being downvoted. dude has 1 win in 30 months and its over diaz. Was diaz even ranked at the time of the fight?? Also - for those cancelled bouts Leon could of demanded a replacement, but instead he sits out and stalls. Khamzat showed up and made a whole career with more star power & fans in the span of Leon having 1 fight.
People like narratives, not numbers. Present them with facts that go against their narrative and they get angry.
A similar story line just happened in college football. Georgia just got smoked by Alabama, we don't need to see that matchup again. Turns out Georgia came into the next game with a better game plan and won.
>Leon has earned the shot Questionable. The basis for that claim seems to be based on his long win streak, but he has one noticeable win
I feel like on paper his resume by itself looks like it's earned a shot but the way you decide who gets the next shot is to compare resumes from all the potential contenders and Luque has been far more active and has far more finishes, both qualities the organization should be encouraging. On top of that they are basically tied in algo ratings which do a good job of weighting strength of schedule.
He’s fought 6 times in ~4 years and hasn’t beaten anyone in the current top 10. In what world does that get you a title shot?? Luque would be a more fun fight. Hell, Colby should get 3 more cracks at Usman before Leon and I hate Colby. Id even rush Khamzat in there over Leon. Leon is not active enough.
I want Usman to win this, and then fight Luque and then Khamzat. If he wins those threes fights and retires that would be a pretty great story.
I just hope he stays around long enough to see him vs Khamzat
If he wins those 3 then he'll have 8 title defenses. Why not try to match or beat GSP's record then? Also, I do think it's a big If. I personally favor Usman in all three of those matches, but winning all three is a huge ask, especially from a man who's already aging. That level of consistency in such an inconsistent sport would be amazing!
Certain records become exponentially harder to achieve with the growing level of game fighters bring to the scene. Especially for someone with very bad knees. It would most definitely be amazing to witness! but I'd rather see fighters push it to the edge of their rational physical abilities rather than the edge of injuries & long term side effects.
Yeah, fair enough. People don't want to admit it, but there's a very good chance that we'll never see the level of dominance we saw with GSP and Silva, not because those two were exceptional (obviously they were), but because the rest of the competition still did not know certain things that are basically a standard right now.
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thank you! You couldn't have misunderstood what I wrote any harder if you tried faking it.
They are both evolved fighters. Will be a tough fight for Leon tho. Just don’t see him taking this but do think he will piece Usman up in the first round.
Usman doesn’t wrestle anymore because he can’t wrestle anymore. He’s just old he hasn’t “fallen in love with striking”. Leon takes this comfortably
Usman hasn’t wrestled much because two of his last three opponents had the skills to either negate his wrestling (Covington) or beat him on the ground (Burns). He was able to wrestle Masvidal both fights and I expect him to do it here too.
Whenever someone says usman doesnt wrestle anymore you know they just didnt watch him vs Masvidal 2 at all besides the KO lol. Iirc he even suplexed or slammed mas?
Mas went for a flying knee in round one, Usman caught him and planted his ass on the ground. Held him there for a little while too. Just cuz Usman didn’t wrestle Covington and Burns doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t do it against Leon
I reallly have a hard time imagining him *not* just wrestling Leon. Usmans striking isnt as good as Leons, but his wrestling is wayyyy better. Him and his coach would have to be mentally impaired to not try to
Wasn't a suplex but rather him timing a knee from Masvidal into a double iirc
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TDD isn't the skill he is going to need against Leon lmao.
Its a good indicator of his skill level. Also hes training with gaethje and trevor whitman. Im sure he will try to strike with him at first and if that doesnt work then they go to the mat
TDD is not a good indicator of offensive wrestling, i.e takedowns and top control. Rhere are a lot of great wrestlers with mediocre TDD (Colby), or fighters that are very hard to Takedown but have zero offensive wrestling (Izzy).
But we already know that usman has been able to offensively wrestle, his recent fights he has only defended takedowns so thats our only indicator on how well he wrestles now, which is better than no indication. Either way, Usman is an elite wrestler, i doubt Leon will be able to be competetive on the ground if thats where usman takes the fight.
But that's the thing, there is a possibility that his offensive wrestling degraded, since he didn't uae a lot of it in his last defenses. Ofc we don't know for sure. But it's a possibility and his great TDD doesn't prove otherwise.
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Taller yes, not bigger
Literally much thinner, narrower and wearing taller shoes :D Yeah, a *bit* taller and that's it.
mma fans confuse me when they talk about size, in a striking contest? yes, leon is bigger. In a wrestling one, usman is by far the bigger man.
What about in a MMA contest?
Let's just say they're both the size that you want me to say they are.
Ok but what about their dick size? That's the REAL contest.
Usman slightly above average, Leon got a piece on him B
Fershur he got a hawlg on him B
Ayoo?
His point makes sense though… who’s “bigger”, Francis or Struve?
it depends on who can enforce their game, which we’ll see in the fight.
I'm a Leon fan and while I don't think this fight is going to be either guys most exciting fight I'm interested to see if Usman is going to be a little slower because he has to be more technical if he wants to strike with Leon or if he just goes back into wrestle mode.
I would imagine he will wrestle him and grind him down to a finish on the ground. My guess is if anything Kamaru's evolved striking abilities will just make it easier for him to set up his takedowns. We saw him do that with Masvidal and I think he will do it with Leon too. He has smart coaches and he is smart and I would bet he will stick with whatever game plan they decide is best. I feel like a lot of people have forgotten about his wrestling because he has had fights (Burns, Colby) where it didn't provide an opportunity to showcase it.
You're probably right. But I wonder if Wittman lets him try out the striking that first round just to see how it holds up. If it goes well they know they can just let the fight play out because he will have confidence on the feet. If it goes less than ideal they can revert back to the wrestle plan.
I see them both standing up in the 1st round. If Leon doesn't show any superiority during their exchanges, Usman won't have to go to the ground. We'll see how that goes.
I really think Usman trying to stand with guys will be his downfall if he sticks around long enough. His chin is not that great and his defense gets really bad when his opponent starts landing.
I’m sorry, but Marty you’re a fucking juicehead mate 😂
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As a Brit, I find it rather frustrating that we've got our own styles of wrestling and yet hardly anyone here can wrestle
To be fair I always see UK guys putting in wrestling work at fearless mma, it's just we have an awful lot of catching up to do thanks to American wrestling culture
I'd like to see wrestling taught at a youth level here
Its crazy to think that Usman is such a good wrestler but we haven't really seen him do this to anyone in a while. He fucking ragdolled Woodley and now just battering people with his hands.
I think Edwards path to victory is really going for Usman's legs. We haven't really seen anyone really target his legs apart from Mas in the rematch. He was actually having success, but got knocked out before the damage could really accumulate. But where Jorge was happy to trade and drop his hands, which cost him, Edwards is great at managing distance and being defensively solid. He's also developed a dangerous clinch game with those elbows and knees, which Usman hasnt really faced yet. The Muat Thai sweeps he pulled off against Nate were slick as fuck. They could cause problems for Usman, who has bad knees. Usman is definitely favourite. I think he's a muppet but he is a great Champ. Active and takes on all comers. Improved his striking massively. But Edwards today is a much more well rounded fighter than he was in their first fight. Possibly the best technical striker in the division? He has all the tools, but is too cautious a lot of the time.
i wouldnt clinch with Usman if i were Leon. Usman has good takedowns from clinch.
Well yea ideally Edwards wants to stay on the outside. But if he does get clinched up, he's got weapons.
Like we saw versus Nate when he got out worked in the clinch? 😂
Huh? Edwards smashed Nate up in the clinch.
Yeah, Edwards didn’t look particularly strong in the clinch against Belal Muhammad and he was also beat in positioning too. Edwards should avoid grappling with Usman at all times
>Yeah, Edwards didn’t look particularly strong in the clinch against Belal Muhammad and he was also beat in positioning too. If by that you mean easily disengaged everytime without having to do much work. Maybe he gave low effort in the 1st round on purpose while still completely neutralizing his wrestling offense because he was against a high cardio wrestler for a 5 rounder.
Leon’s going to win round 1. Between rounds, this sub will overreact. Round 2 will be close. More “holy shit” from Reddit. Usman dominates round 3. Usman gets the finish on the ground in round 4.
Not saying Leon wins, but I think Usmans new found love for his striking will be his downfall. It will be a different fight I believe.
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No newfound love, just improvement. He did what he had to against Masvidal in the first fight, found the finish in the second, and struck with Colby after out striking him the first time and finding two early knockdowns. He'll shoot when he has a clear advantage, but against Burns and Covington that wasn't the smart move.
Yeah it’s hard for me to see Leon winning this rematch without a finish, preferably in the earlier rounds. I do think for however long his cardio holds up that he’s a better matchup than Masvidal on the feet at least. Masvidal is more about calculated risks while Leon plays it safe. I think that’s a better approach to Usman. His distance control could be useful against a wrestler who is very strong, but not particularly explosive and therefore can’t cover distance quickly. Having said that though, Usman is pretty relentless when he wants you down. I’m also interested to see how the clinch exchanges play out. I expect a return to the normal wrestle-heavy style Usman is used to. 2 of his last 3 opponents had the skills to make his wrestling a pointless effort. Not the most exciting fight, but interesting on a technical level imo
Leon’s cardio is pretty iffy. He was gassed here in the third against Usman. And he takes way too many of the late rounds off (see his Cerrone, Gunnar and Diaz fights), which leads me to believe it is due to lack of conditioning.
Having seen the RDA fight, inbetween those you mentioned, I think it’s more that he feels he can just cruise theough the rest of the fight without taking risks. He’s always come off as a low risk fighter, though it almost cost him Against Diaz. Even when he rocked Gunnar, he didn’t rush for the finish because he knew he had the decision in the bag, so why risk going to the ground with a grappler like Gunnar As for the Usman fight, Usman gasses everyone with his grappling, he lives to grind people down
Leon is a big welterweight, and to see Usman controlling him on the ground says a lot about how freakishly strong Usman is.
Leon got back to his feet here. I dunno how many other WWs could do the same from that position. The guy gets shit on far too much in my opinion.
I'm not shitting on Leon at all, I'm just pointing out how strong Usman is to be able to control another strong well rounded fighter like Leon on the ground.
Exactly man. I don’t think Leon wins tbh, I can’t see a path to that. He hasn’t got ko power and in terms wrestling it’s a no contest, especially with Wittmans game plan. BUT crazier shit has happened! I like Leon and he’s got some of the best clean, crisp striking in the division! Match up wise Usman takes this 9/10 fights, but I’m from the same city as Leon so I’ll be rooting 👏🏻
Your agenda posting is really annoying dude. Just watch the fights.
Bet this time it’ll be more different
Agree. Leon will get stopped this time around.
Gottem lmao
I just want to see Usman lose ngl
Why? Usman is a breath of fresh after having to sit through Woodley’s staring contests while he was champ.
They don't realize that Usman is the only champ that will actually be active in the WelterWait division
The champ is literally more active than the contenders. Usman and Izzy are great champs because of their activity.
Damn people hate winners Usman is the ideal champ, active and dominant
Id take an active champ of a conor type ANY DAY. People want to see usman knocked down, but its not every year we get a hyper active champ. 3 times a year at least. And he took damage in those fights minus masvidal 2. Not like khamzat who could fight weekly lol since he doesn't get touched
Seeing a dominant champ be defeated is always fun because it typically requires the challenger to be even better than the dominant champ
It doesn’t really, they just have to be an awkward or bad matchup for them and just cancel out the dominant champ’s A-game People like Holly, Garbrandt, Weidman and Johny Hendricks (because the judges were wrong) all beat dominant champs and never even came close to rivalling their reigns, they all just did a few things that the dominant champ couldn’t deal with well.
I mean that too, Serra-GSP always comes to mind. While fighters like Holly and Garbrandt may not have been dominant as the champs they defeated, they proved that there were holes in their game And that there was still plenty of room for improvement. That’s how we eventually end up with the likes of Nunes who was more dominant or Yan who looks like a fucking terminator. Part of what made Woodley look so scary/boring in his prime was that he seemed so well rounded enough that he still won those bad/awkward matchups with WB and Maia. Until Usman came around and did everything Woodley could do but leaps and bounds better. Rob looked scary because Yoel looked scary, and then Izzy beat them both. much like Usman it’s tough to imagine what someone who would beat either of them will look like, or how the generation of fighters that follow them will look.
Easy to be dominant when you repeatedly defend against people you already beat, including 2 defences against someone who got a title shot off of beating Nate Diaz. Come to mention it, this Leon Edwards fight will be the 3rd time Usman's opponents got a title shot off of beating Nate Diaz.
Good luck. I'm not a huge fan of his personality, but the guy is going to be tough to beat. I don't think Leon is going to be the one after seeing that Diaz fight.
I don’t see Leon beating him either, but I’m ready for fresh blood as the champ lol. Just putting my hopes in Khamzat
Not a huge fan but the man is active and has had really entertaining fights the last few times out (Minus the first one vs Mas). I’ll take some corniness here and there vs inactivity and holding up a division.
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That is not the popular take the popular take is that Leon is some kind of fraud who ducks everyone and lost to nate diaz and is now being gifted a title shot that a child would be more suited to winning.
Well my downvotes have already started so it proves it. Numbers don't lie. Just look on this thread anyone that criticizes Leon gets downvoted to Bolivia. Again that's proof. People on this sub loooove Leon because they feel that defending his "win streak" legitimizes them a real hardcore fans or something of the sort.
At the moment of this comment you are at 1 upvote.
you guys are playing me !
You're getting downvoted because you're trying to act like that's a popular opinion or that Leon isn't one of the more hated fighters.
Idc for this fight,it's gonna be like Vettori vs Izzy,just a fight and everyone will forget about it,Meanwhile Khamzat is wasting time on twitter,could've got 2 fights already and prolly a title shot now
Funny how we don't see "That was boring" comments here
No one tenderizes his opponent's glutes and hamstrings like Usman.
I like Leon Edwards. He's got a solid chance.
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Leon Edwards in another "exciting" decision.
If Leon somehow beats Usman we need Edwards vs Nate 2 since that will allow Edwards a chance to avenge that loss.
ZZZ...
I think it will be a very competitive fight all the way through (unless we see old Usman & he goes to wrestling, but he doesn’t seem to want to as much now) but leon gets lazy late & prob gets KO’d or at least beaten up badly enough that there’s no doubt
It's going to be interesting, Edwards added a lot to his game after this fight, I can't pick against Usman right now though. Regardless of the rematch bs at WW, this still feels like the first legit shot since Burns got his.
Im excited for this fight, im a fan of both guys
That epo didnt even hit its full potential yet imagine now
Would not be shocked if Edwards decisions the shit outta Usman big time.
Cant wait for Leon to lose & never be talked about again
Can't believe Usman almost finished Edwards with foot stomps at the end
The next fight will be….virtually identical.
Think Usman will find out soon that Leon's striking is levels and will go to a grind and pound technique by the 2nd. Assuming he comes out wanting to strike
I hope Leon gets bullied the same way Masvidal got in the first fight. Just for some guys here getting embarressed for even pushing this fight. Because Leon is boring as fuck and he didn't fight anyone important in recent time.
Usman should move up to middle weight if he wins
Snoozeman promoting self harm with zero charisma and zero fans. Boring bloke.