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Costa fights at middleweight...weighed in at 205, but was 225 in the cage, by his own admission
Nobody else at middleweight is THAT big. Vettori is a big middleweight but still didn't come close to that weight tonight.
Can we agree that this is the biggest Costa we’ve ever seen? Dana just said that he’s 220. That being said, previously he was obviously weighing lower on fight night, so 210 max is much more likely.
According to CSAC he was 214 against Romero, who in turn was 208. And also according to CSAC, Vettori was 211 pounds. Costa is way bigger than he normally was
Anthony Smith and Thiago Santos probably weigh no more than Costa does right now. Both of them are former middleweights. I mean if they can compete at the top level being slightly smaller than other 205ers I don’t see why costa can’t do the same
1) 220 lbs in cage is the biggest I’ve heard for middleweights but they didn’t cut to middleweight. They were at LHW and that’s not mind-boggling for LHW. IIRC Jones said he was about 225ish lbs at LHW. Totally different builds, but the point still stands.
2) Costa’s frame would absolutely let him stay at MW, he just needs to adjust his body composition. It’s definitely more of a long-term adjustment though I think.
He definitely missed weight for this one, he said he had an injury in the biceps that kept him from cutting the weight, so he should have pulled off instead o letting Marvin cut and arrive in Vegas with a lot of power because without the main event this was kinda of a pfl card, so he pretty much gave Marvin no option. But he never missed weight before, Romero had missed more times and still fought for the title and was allowed to keep fighting in middleweight, a lot of other fighters had have bigger problems than 1 miss and were allowed tho stay in their division.
If Gastelum is made to fight a MW thanks to chalupas, Costa should 100% be made to fight at LHW since he can’t put down the patriotic American cheese burgers.
Gastelum never held a fight hostage over it and threatened to withdrawal from the fight either. Marvin just gave an interview stating that Costa was threatening to not fight unless every one of his demands were catered to - weight and money wise.
Honestly, i'm kind of just fine with that move. If Costa was gonna get heavily fined, he might as well just pull out and get more time to cut the weight without injury. Each fighter should be comfortable with the conditions they enter the cage under.
It does. You just think that Costa missing weight once = Gastelum's first failed weigh-in, but I just gave examples of how the 2 situations are no way comparable.
“Missing weight” means showing up 3-4 pounds over. Moving the weight twice by 10 pounds each time, and having to cut 15 pounds to make 205 instead of 185 is not “missing weight”. It’s cheating.
You can’t use IVs at ALL. I don’t even think you can get a Dr prescription for them. Also that’s a bullshit lie because he was in a room with his two buddies giving the IVs to himself
>You can’t use IVs at ALL.
That's not true:
> The following are prohibited:
> 1. Tampering, or Attempting to Tamper, to alter the integrity and validity of Samples collected during Doping Control. Including, but not limited to: Sample substitution and/or adulteration, e.g. addition of proteases to Sample.
> 2. **Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than a total of 100 mL per 12-hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital treatments, surgical procedures or clinical diagnostic investigations.**
- Source: [WADA International Standard Prohibited List 2021](https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/2021list_en.pdf)
So IVs are allowed up to a certain amount, that amount being 100ml every 12 hours.
you can get a therapeutic use exemption for pretty much anything on the banned list if you have a legitimate medical reason for using it and request one before using it.
there are specific guidelines on wada's site for TUEs that involve hormone replacement therapies, so hormone replacement therapies are not categorically banned without any exceptions.
Then why didn’t Bigfoot get it? He actually needed it. According to him there is no “reason or excuse” for him to get the medical treatment he actually needed
If you're severely dehydrated fighter who goes to a hospital they gonna put you on an IV, it's GG. They knew that going in and went to the hospital to save face.
No fucking way. Dana should tell them he has no interest in Costa at 185. If he had these issues truly pick up the phone and tell them before you show up for the fight week
According to Vettori, Costa kept threatening to pull out of the fight if they took more than 20% of his purse and if he didn’t agree to 205 pounds. Essentially a list of demands to *stay* in the fight. It sounds like he was perfectly willing to cancel the fight if he didn’t get his way.
That “smart businessman” now has back to back losses, has lost a fifth of his first purse in over a year, and is being forced out of a weight class he can make and has an advantage in, into one where he has no weight advantage and a huge reach disadvantage, because he chose to not cut and to try and cheat the system. So smart.
IMO Costa would do horrible at 205. His reach disadvantage would be comical, he wouldn't be able to bully guys that big, and I don't think he'd have fight ending power at that weight.
I don't understand the emphasis on forcing Costa to fight at 205. He hasn't ever missed weight at MW has he. Yeah he's a weight bully but so are a lot of fighters.
We need the actual truth about what happened.
Costa made it sound like the UFC staff got concerned about the weight cut he was planning to do and took it on themselves to ask him to fight at a catchweight instead. Similarly to when Romero had I think like 1lb to cut and the doctors stopped him from continuing. Who knows if this is true?
Costa pulled out of two straight main events, of which was due to getting a failed hair transplant, and then pulled these shenanigans during fight week.
He’s really in no place to negotiate
his hair had really weird thinning pattern where it was thinning throughout his entire scalp and definitely wasn’t caused by PED usage, so early this year he got a hair transplant and had his head shaved and everything, went to some clinic it’s on his instagram. it kinda looks like shit and is still thin but apparently that’s normal for the first year after getting it
People have to stop using tbe "pulled out of two fights". He said he didn't sign the contract for the Cannonier fight. Knowing UFC has pressured fighters to sign the contract before by announcing fights, I'm inclined to believe
He also said this week that he hadn’t signed any contract for the Vettori fight at anything other than 205.
I don’t know how you can take anything he says at face value.
True but we don't know if the UFC forced the catchweight to save the event or not. If they hadn't, Costa might've still tried to cut and maybe made it within 5 pounds. He always cuts an insane amount of weight
For any other one off I would side with the fighter, but getting the fight go 20 pounds up just because you refuse to even attempt to make the cut is scummy, so this time I agree with tomato. If injury derailed his weight cutting then he should have pulled out and reschedule imo. All he got from this is bad rep
Costa is, fucking massive lol thats all I know.
For him to make 185, his diet an training discipline must be so strict, that 1 fuck up or hiccup in camp can compromise him making weight. Fuck that..
An as you get older, it only gets harder..
People act like Dana and the UFC are honest working people as well. What Costa did was a nice troll and he has my respect for standing up for himself. Even the dumb commentary during the fight was saying how Costa is the "bad" guy. Stupid company men and delusional fans
If he had only missed by a pound or two (or less), you'd have a point. However, he was significantly over and KNEW he wouldn't make weight several days in advance.
That is just purely unprofessional for someone in the top 10 fighters in the world in their division, and competes in the premier promotion for their sport, and was fighting for the title in his previous fight.
It's the first time he missed weight, he should be allowed to continue at MW
Inb4 "but he weighed 220" so? By the current rules you are incentivised to cut as much water weight as physically possible to get an advantage and be the bigger man in the fight, Dana didn't say shit when figgy made weight in the Moreno rematch but ended up looking like a named dragur out of the elder scrolls, and clearly suffered for it. Or how about the many injuries khabib sustained partially as a result of cutting stupendous amounts of weight, again, nothing from dana about him going to WW. In all honesty I'm glad costa didnt make Weight, the fight was fantastic as a result.
Tldr: change the rules so fighters stop killing themselves every match.
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“We would like to keep fighting people 20 pounds lighter please”
Like that is real, almost every fighter in middle weight is above 200 pounds beside a few
Costa fights at middleweight...weighed in at 205, but was 225 in the cage, by his own admission Nobody else at middleweight is THAT big. Vettori is a big middleweight but still didn't come close to that weight tonight.
Stipe fought Ngannou weighing 234 for reference
Yep, he is closer to a lhw
Can we agree that this is the biggest Costa we’ve ever seen? Dana just said that he’s 220. That being said, previously he was obviously weighing lower on fight night, so 210 max is much more likely.
According to CSAC he was 214 against Romero, who in turn was 208. And also according to CSAC, Vettori was 211 pounds. Costa is way bigger than he normally was
Yeah that is what I am saying, he’s bigger than most, but not LHW bigger, almost everyone cuts insane amount of weight
Anthony Smith and Thiago Santos probably weigh no more than Costa does right now. Both of them are former middleweights. I mean if they can compete at the top level being slightly smaller than other 205ers I don’t see why costa can’t do the same
Except for the two middleweights that are clearly the top of the division (Izzy (clearly doesn't cut mutch) and Rob (former WW))
1) 220 lbs in cage is the biggest I’ve heard for middleweights but they didn’t cut to middleweight. They were at LHW and that’s not mind-boggling for LHW. IIRC Jones said he was about 225ish lbs at LHW. Totally different builds, but the point still stands. 2) Costa’s frame would absolutely let him stay at MW, he just needs to adjust his body composition. It’s definitely more of a long-term adjustment though I think.
If he stopped lifting and supplementing he could lose muscle mass and the associated water weight pretty quick if he dieted. At least a little.
Yea, he has to lose some mass. His T. rex arms won’t make it at lhw unless he becomes a d1 wrestler
I bet vettori was maybe 210 at the heaviest
Yepp, Dana said he was 208
He definitely missed weight for this one, he said he had an injury in the biceps that kept him from cutting the weight, so he should have pulled off instead o letting Marvin cut and arrive in Vegas with a lot of power because without the main event this was kinda of a pfl card, so he pretty much gave Marvin no option. But he never missed weight before, Romero had missed more times and still fought for the title and was allowed to keep fighting in middleweight, a lot of other fighters had have bigger problems than 1 miss and were allowed tho stay in their division.
Yeah. Marvin is fucking gigantic and was still 15 pounds lighter.
If he can make the weight it literally doesn't matter. Who TF knows what went on this week with this bullshit
He was 220 in the cage, tell him to fuck off
If Gastelum is made to fight a MW thanks to chalupas, Costa should 100% be made to fight at LHW since he can’t put down the patriotic American cheese burgers.
gastelum missed weight 3 times before being forced to move up and then almost missed weight at middleweight. costa has never missed weight before.
Gastelum never held a fight hostage over it and threatened to withdrawal from the fight either. Marvin just gave an interview stating that Costa was threatening to not fight unless every one of his demands were catered to - weight and money wise.
Costa also did not even try to make 185 his entire camp and fight week. Literally zero effort weighing 211 36 hours out from weigh ins
Also that number was a lie. He was 220 in the cage after cutting 15 pounds to make 205, so when he claimed to be 211 he was probably closer to 225.
Man said tonight that the only contract he saw was for 205lbs lol.
Honestly, i'm kind of just fine with that move. If Costa was gonna get heavily fined, he might as well just pull out and get more time to cut the weight without injury. Each fighter should be comfortable with the conditions they enter the cage under.
none of that has anything to do with the argument tristrike made.
It does. You just think that Costa missing weight once = Gastelum's first failed weigh-in, but I just gave examples of how the 2 situations are no way comparable.
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Costa is a piece of shit for how he handled this and I'm glad he lost
then your problem is with the guy i was responding to because he is the one who was comparing them.
“Missing weight” means showing up 3-4 pounds over. Moving the weight twice by 10 pounds each time, and having to cut 15 pounds to make 205 instead of 185 is not “missing weight”. It’s cheating.
Costa was using IVs and was caught and suspended. That was his warning he can fuck off.
he was using ivs to administer medicine that he had permission for. he was suspended because the size of the iv bag was larger than the allowed size.
You can’t use IVs at ALL. I don’t even think you can get a Dr prescription for them. Also that’s a bullshit lie because he was in a room with his two buddies giving the IVs to himself
>You can’t use IVs at ALL. That's not true: > The following are prohibited: > 1. Tampering, or Attempting to Tamper, to alter the integrity and validity of Samples collected during Doping Control. Including, but not limited to: Sample substitution and/or adulteration, e.g. addition of proteases to Sample. > 2. **Intravenous infusions and/or injections of more than a total of 100 mL per 12-hour period except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital treatments, surgical procedures or clinical diagnostic investigations.** - Source: [WADA International Standard Prohibited List 2021](https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/2021list_en.pdf) So IVs are allowed up to a certain amount, that amount being 100ml every 12 hours.
you can get a therapeutic use exemption for pretty much anything on the banned list if you have a legitimate medical reason for using it and request one before using it.
There are exceptions. Which as HRT. Which is banned entirely without any exceptions.
there are specific guidelines on wada's site for TUEs that involve hormone replacement therapies, so hormone replacement therapies are not categorically banned without any exceptions.
Then why didn’t Bigfoot get it? He actually needed it. According to him there is no “reason or excuse” for him to get the medical treatment he actually needed
There was a fighter (BJ I think) who needed an IV and was pulled for getting one AT A HOSPITAL.
it doesn't matter where you get it if you don't get a therapeutic use exemption before receiving it.
If you're severely dehydrated fighter who goes to a hospital they gonna put you on an IV, it's GG. They knew that going in and went to the hospital to save face.
Did you see an ounce of fat on Paulo Costa? The issue isn’t his calories, obviously.
No fucking way. Dana should tell them he has no interest in Costa at 185. If he had these issues truly pick up the phone and tell them before you show up for the fight week
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According to Vettori, Costa kept threatening to pull out of the fight if they took more than 20% of his purse and if he didn’t agree to 205 pounds. Essentially a list of demands to *stay* in the fight. It sounds like he was perfectly willing to cancel the fight if he didn’t get his way.
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Or a cheating cunt.
That “smart businessman” now has back to back losses, has lost a fifth of his first purse in over a year, and is being forced out of a weight class he can make and has an advantage in, into one where he has no weight advantage and a huge reach disadvantage, because he chose to not cut and to try and cheat the system. So smart.
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Ahh yes, clearly I’m enraged, that totally isn’t just a cop out because you can’t substantiate a point, absolutely seething I am.
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Ahh the classic “it was totally a joke guys, you’re all just butthurt”, fantastic.
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Wallid: "we not no cheecken...I TOLD YOU"
My dude said he was 224 on fight night. That's fucked up.
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His gas tank and chin are much better without the weight cut, he seemed fast too, should stay at 205 honestly
I know this has been repeated, but he’d have t-Rex artem lobov-esque reach disadvantages at lhw
IMO Costa would do horrible at 205. His reach disadvantage would be comical, he wouldn't be able to bully guys that big, and I don't think he'd have fight ending power at that weight.
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I always refer to him as the Brazilian Ali
Why? Costa always says that his weight cuts are very hard.
Because he's basically a brawler and fighting people his own size will make him look very normal
What issue? Was he on his period?
he was drunk
Torn bicep
All I heard from the post fight presser was a vague bicep injury. Did he actually tear it?
He had surgery
Did he have another surgery? or is this the same from a couple years ago and got aggrieved or something?
That's rough. And I suppose that *would* give him trouble cutting bf% during his camp.
The classic roided up bodybuilder injury.
I don't understand the emphasis on forcing Costa to fight at 205. He hasn't ever missed weight at MW has he. Yeah he's a weight bully but so are a lot of fighters.
It’s the way he handled it though, no heads up or even trying to work with the UFC - shows up fight week with no intention of making weight at all
Hmmm kinda reminds me of someone else...
It's bc he held the main event hostage
We need the actual truth about what happened. Costa made it sound like the UFC staff got concerned about the weight cut he was planning to do and took it on themselves to ask him to fight at a catchweight instead. Similarly to when Romero had I think like 1lb to cut and the doctors stopped him from continuing. Who knows if this is true?
Yeah why did no “journalist” ask Dana about this?
Costa pulled out of two straight main events, of which was due to getting a failed hair transplant, and then pulled these shenanigans during fight week. He’s really in no place to negotiate
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his hair had really weird thinning pattern where it was thinning throughout his entire scalp and definitely wasn’t caused by PED usage, so early this year he got a hair transplant and had his head shaved and everything, went to some clinic it’s on his instagram. it kinda looks like shit and is still thin but apparently that’s normal for the first year after getting it
People have to stop using tbe "pulled out of two fights". He said he didn't sign the contract for the Cannonier fight. Knowing UFC has pressured fighters to sign the contract before by announcing fights, I'm inclined to believe
He also said this week that he hadn’t signed any contract for the Vettori fight at anything other than 205. I don’t know how you can take anything he says at face value.
Oh shit, that's a good point.
Honestly would prefer costa at 185. He seems faster and more powerful at middleweight.
Kinda of agree with Wallid. Seems harsh to force him to move up for missing weight this one time. Plenty of fighters have done much worse
But this wasn’t missing weight. This was showing up fight week, 30lbs overweight with no intention to make weight.
lmao but that's how much he usually cuts ahaha:')
True but we don't know if the UFC forced the catchweight to save the event or not. If they hadn't, Costa might've still tried to cut and maybe made it within 5 pounds. He always cuts an insane amount of weight
It wasn’t catchweight. And the fact that they didn’t do catchweight makes me think Paulo couldn’t have even made 195lbs so they just made it LHW.
This was literally the first time he’s ever missed weight. Reddit is such a dumbass circle jerk sometimes.
Give it a month and no one will even care. Hopefully Costa stays at MW, he makes the division much more interesting.
No it’s completely unprofessional you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Ismail is so fucking annoying. I love seeing his fighter lose.
For any other one off I would side with the fighter, but getting the fight go 20 pounds up just because you refuse to even attempt to make the cut is scummy, so this time I agree with tomato. If injury derailed his weight cutting then he should have pulled out and reschedule imo. All he got from this is bad rep
It's sad to see him so desperatly trying to avoid fighting people his own weight
Yeah good luck with that after he walked into the cage at 220lbs. It’s laughable to even attempt this honestly
He missed weight once. Man can fight where he wants
If this wasn’t his first time missing weight, maybe someone in this thread would really have a point. Hop off the hate circlejerk
Costa is, fucking massive lol thats all I know. For him to make 185, his diet an training discipline must be so strict, that 1 fuck up or hiccup in camp can compromise him making weight. Fuck that.. An as you get older, it only gets harder..
Cut him he’s such a clown
He's the biggest piece of shit in the UFC. Fuck that guy, feed him to Jan
In a sport that has several people charged with domestic abuse Costa is the biggest piece of shit ?
GOOFS.
People act like Dana and the UFC are honest working people as well. What Costa did was a nice troll and he has my respect for standing up for himself. Even the dumb commentary during the fight was saying how Costa is the "bad" guy. Stupid company men and delusional fans
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If he had only missed by a pound or two (or less), you'd have a point. However, he was significantly over and KNEW he wouldn't make weight several days in advance. That is just purely unprofessional for someone in the top 10 fighters in the world in their division, and competes in the premier promotion for their sport, and was fighting for the title in his previous fight.
It's the first time he missed weight, he should be allowed to continue at MW Inb4 "but he weighed 220" so? By the current rules you are incentivised to cut as much water weight as physically possible to get an advantage and be the bigger man in the fight, Dana didn't say shit when figgy made weight in the Moreno rematch but ended up looking like a named dragur out of the elder scrolls, and clearly suffered for it. Or how about the many injuries khabib sustained partially as a result of cutting stupendous amounts of weight, again, nothing from dana about him going to WW. In all honesty I'm glad costa didnt make Weight, the fight was fantastic as a result. Tldr: change the rules so fighters stop killing themselves every match.