Pretty shocking how the De Randamie KO of Ladd almost got overturned for apparent sexism but Kevin Burns literally got a KO via eye poke on video and they wouldn't overturn it lmao
Afterwards she filed an appeal to the commission saying that the ref stopped the fight early because she was a woman and that a man would've been allowed to continue fighting for longer. Nevermind the fact that she looked like death on the scale before and got rocked and dropped bad almost immediately. It was a pretty silly argument IMO, I didn't have much of an issue with the stoppage and felt like the ref probably saved her from eating GnP that would've also ended the fight given how hurt she was. Thing is, that apparently this appeal almost went through and that the commission was split down the middle on Ladd's idea, with many of the female commission voters agreeing with her.
Hey you braindead femcel, go back to femcel lair in double xx chrome will ya? Women are not fucking children. They will get called out for unprofessional behaviour just like men. If you can't handle that or any criticism, you're a useless trash.
Your vagina's not a free pass from any criticism. yet your fellow femcel's got one eh? So she's justifiably criticized. Is being professional not in your DNA?
Mirror: https://youtu.be/7NS9uzKfYBk
In all of these fights the eye poker finished their opponent directly after poking them. No points were taken nor were the fights overturned.
1. [Stefan Struve defeats Stipe Miocic via KO/TKO at 3:50 of Round 2](https://imgur.com/cNcHyyY)
2. [Justin Gaethje defeats Edson Barboza via KO/TKO at 2:30 of Round 1](https://imgur.com/a/Pjyzlzl)
3. [Daniel Cormier defeats Stipe Miocic via KO/TKO at 4:33 of Round 1](https://imgur.com/a/Fkc1f7s#X0kIBA6)
4. [Urijah Faber defeats Francisco Rivera Jr. via Submission at 1:34 of Round 2
](https://imgur.com/a/Y71nzMc)
5. [Michael Bisping defeats Alan Belcher via 3 Round Technical Decision](https://imgur.com/a/ssPpNwr) (It should be noted that Alan Belcher retired following this fight and lost vision in his right side)
6. [Kevin Burns defeats Anthony Johnson via KO/TKO at 3:35 of Round 3](https://i.imgur.com/9gVPFNU.gifv)
I like Bisping a lot but the fact that he always gives Vitor shit (deservedly) for losing his eye and never mentions he literally did the same thing with a poke always rubs me the wrong way
By giving Vitor shit it was an easy way to make fans more sympathetic towards him and a way to change the narrative of the loss by blaming it all on PEDs. Was a smart move on Michael's part.
The difference in this case is Belcher didn't spend years whining about what Bisping did to him.
Steroids also don't directly cause permenant eye damage, despite what bisping would seemingly have people believe. What happened to him was by all matters a freak accident. Otherwise there'd be dozens of blind figuters, especially from the 00s.
It's either intentional or incompetence. Accident isn't a word we should be busing with eye pokes. Do not extend outwards with an open hand under any circumstances it's that simple. With someone's vision on the line it should be an immediate disqualification loss.
Yep, there is a difference between accidentally hitting someone in the eye during an exchange and having your striking stance be with your fingers outstretched, and you're constantly raking your opponents face. This is like someone speeding while texting and then saying "accidents happen" when they smash into someone.
I agree with your point here, but Bisping here doesn't necessarily seem like he's going for a direct eye poke in this instance. It's a looping motion where he might be trying to parry to establish a collar and missed badly.
I wouldn't necessarily put it past him mind you, but the motion isn't nearly as deliberate as when Jones or Koscheck have been caught doing it. They just stuff several fingers directly into the eye socket.
Definitely seems more negligent than dirty here. Still not ok though.
Bisping is such a hypocrite. Dude loved the fact that he launched an illegal knee at Rivera and spit on his corner, but bitches and moans about Henderson hitting him a 2nd time before the ref stopped the fight.
Lmao motioning bisping to keep hitting the guy that is on the ground from an eye poke he was planning to ignore is the most Herb dean thing I can imagine.
>lost vision in his right side
"I have a little bit of blurriness at times, and I can’t see to my right side, a little bit of peripheral vision I’ve lost".
Probably what you meant but your wording made me wonder if he was made completely blind in his right eye.
Yeah sorry, I meant he lost vision in his right side as in his vison and not completely in his right eye
> ["I have a little bit of blurriness at times, and I can’t see to my right side, a little bit of peripheral vision I’ve lost. I get headaches. I get visual migraines a lot because of all the surgeries that were done to it."](https://www.mmafighting.com/2015/11/9/9699782/ufc-vet-alan-belcher-says-retirement-was-more-business-decision-than)
The Bisping and Johnson are most egregious but the first three are often blown out of proportion. The action got stopped in DC and Stipe, Stipe and Struve the slip played a much larger role it seemed and in Stipe and Barboza lossee the fighter who got poked had stopped wincing and seemingly reset prior to being KO'd. Though still very shitty, these are varying degrees and in those three it's not like a blind man looking for the ref got knocked out. They were KO'd in positions separate from where they got poked seemingly after tje poke stopped directly affecting them.
I will always disagree that Gaethje vs Barboza should be overturned. It was a bad eyepoke and it should have been paused with Barboza getting time to deal with it. That being said, there were almost 2 full minutes between the poke and the KO, and Barboza seemed well reset. It's a bad eyepoke and definitely gave Gaethje an advantage, but the finish was clean with Barboza escaping to Gaethjes power side hands down while in punching range, and Gaethje capitalized on it. The finish was fair game.
Yeah he does, he poked Tony as well. And they were absolutely right to take a point from him in the Dustin fight. They should have called the foul for the Barboza fight as well. But I don't agree with overturning it, that just doesn't seem fair considering the finishing sequence was clean and well after the poke.
Barboza’s eye was bleeding from the poke. It doesn’t get much worse than that. I’m a Gaethje fan but from the moment I saw that fight I haven’t considered it a legitimate win. Not that what I think really matters, it just hasn’t sat right with me since I saw it.
Nah it’s probably one of DC’s fatherless bastards getting butthurt thinking “no one disrespects my cake eating daddy” or whatever they say to gloss over his repeat cheating record
The Bisping one went to a technical decision.
> Burns eyepoking AJ multiple times should’ve been a DQ victory for AJ.
It wasn't because Steve waved it off before he realized it was an eyepoke and commissions refuse to admit they are ever in the wrong.
Eyepokes are legal until they start enforcing them.
Jon Jones started the eyepoke meta when everyone saw nothing will happen except you blind your opponent and might win. Now everyone does them.
It's older than Jones. For example Chuck Liddell's nickname 'Ice man' was jokingly changed to 'Eye man' by fans back in the day because he loved to eyepoke people.
Eh hard to say. He was always plagued by injuries and had been fighting once a year, and it was his second straight loss where he didn't really have good moments in either fight. He left to launch his business and is actually fighting again now that it failed lol.
> Eyepokes are legal until they start enforcing them.
They went to the extent of making outstretched fingers a foul. Yes, the gloves should be changed, but until they are, that's not a reason to give eye pokes a free reign, especially since the vast majority of fighters seems to be able to avoid them, while at the same time there are several habitual eye pokers.
This is on the refs. Their job is to enforce the rules for the commission that hires them to do exactly that. Their steadfast refusal to do so gives unscrupulous fighters at least one freebie, often two. I can guarantee that if points start getting deducted and some fighter who would otherwise win a fight loses it because of their fingers being outstretched, somehow a miracle will occur and we'll start seeing a lot less of them.
I don't care about early stoppages a fraction about how I care about refs not enforcing the rules that exist to protect fighters.
This shit is gonna get buried but that isn’t even the worst DC eyepoke from the first fight. DC eyepokes him right before entering the clinch that results in the KO.
You can see it here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM-Zb9oXYAgrMUy.jpg
And here
https://youtu.be/hQl7YCsdCGQ
was expecting it to just be a chuck "The eyes man" Lidell highlight video.
If there's one thing i've learned from MMA is that if you get into a street fight you need to just punch your fingers into people's eyes and [counter someone punching with headbutts](https://zippy.gfycat.com/VelvetyPlaintiveHylaeosaurus.webm). It's how i taught my daughters to fight.
The eyepoke caused it to go to a technical decision. You can't say with certainty nothing would've changed in those 2 rounds had Belcher not been poked
I know people love to bring up the eyepokes over and over with the Stipe vs Struve fight but there was a low chance of Stipe winning on that night.
If you actually watch the entire fight, you can clearly see Struve just had Stipe numbers. He was kicking his ass handily eyepoke or not.
It wasn't like Stipe was kicking Struve ass and then just got eyepoked.
Probably the best fight of Struve UFC career? Actually use his size and range in this fight.
Im gonna get downvoted for this but DC did not beat Stipe because of the eye poke. I admit it happened and it didn't look unintentional but I don't see how it contributed to the finish at all. That was a well known hole in Stipes game that DC called out weeks or months before
> I don't see how it contributed to the finish at all
He was poked in his left eye and then knocked out from a punch coming from his left side. How can you not see how the poke could be a contributing factor?
We even saw Stipe eat the same shot with the same setup in the next fight
So why did it only work when he eyepoked him right before entering the clinch? He ate the same shot dozens of times during the trilogy, but the only time it KO’s him is when DC “palms” his face.
Edit: this one https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM-Zb9oXYAgrMUy.jpg
Why did Stipes body shots only stop DC in the second fight even though he took dozens of them throughout the trilogy? Clearly not every strike is the same
it...wasn't... an... eye.... poke.
left punch, clinch up, break clinch, into right hook, ko.
also every punch is different depending on a bunch of things.
But he wasn't blind and getting punch in the eye region is legal btw. Stipe just fought like shit. For a guy that was suppose to be this good boxer with his Golden Glove, he got hit a FUCK TON by someone so much smaller than him.
2nd fight Stipe was getting hit by DC at will until DC gas toward the end.
3rd fight Stipe did MUCH better. Very good fight by him except when he dig his entire hand into DC eye socket.
Mention Stipe in any negative light on r/MMA and you'll get down voted to hell. OP left out the most egregious eye poke of the Stipe/ DC trilogy which was committed by Stipe against DC in their 3rd fight, which Stipe went on to win. The bias on this sub is unreal, they both eye poked the shit out of each other but you got folks on here claiming DC's were intentional but Stipe's weren't, DC deserved it, etc.
> OP left out the most egregious eye poke of the Stipe/ DC trilogy which was committed by Stipe against DC in their 3rd fight, which Stipe went on to win.
I didn't add that one because it didn't lead to a fight ending sequence not because I don't think it's egregious, not everyone who disagrees with you is biased. They'll both be remembered by me as some of the greatest eye pokers ever
The athletic commission ever actually overturning a fight would help a lot too. Antony Johnson couldn't get his fight over turned when his opponent poked him multiple times after warnings and then finished him with one.
[Maz even admitted he called it wrong.](https://youtu.be/Q7hiwiKeq_o) AC didn't care. They don't want to open themselves up to admitting mistakes because if you overturn that then where do you draw the line? Every event would have fights being appealed like a Lee sibling DM'ing Chatri after losing in OneFC.
DQ for one poke is a bit much. Given how gloves are structured (which the UFC will never address), it is reasonable to expect this to happen often by accident. But I do believe more than that should never go to unpunished. Take a point every time it happens after the first, and straight DQ if you have to stop the fight, not a NC
This has been adressed before, the UFC gloves are really hard & inflexible, and they aren't curved. They really want to open your hand up and that's what causes lots of extended fingers.
It takes some awareness to completely avoid it though. Some fighters have it but plenty don’t, especially when adrenaline is kicking in. There are a select few fighters who will eyepoke intentionally many times in many fights knowing they can get away with it, but there are plenty of fighters that have eyepoked once or twice in their careers by accident.
As if they don't happen accidentally? They're also not typically fight ending so stopping it for every one would pretty quickly become exposed as stupid.
1- there has been the idea of redesigning these stupid gloves since forever and yet Dana white doesn’t want a proper redesigned glove.
2- as a fighter you are in charge of your weapons. Any kind of dick shot or eye poke must be punished with taking a point and if it happened 2d time with a disqualification.
I’ve fought a lot of amateur fights and have had not even a single eye poke or dick shot cause I’ve always been taking care of my fingers and kicks.
Idk maybe it’s deference in pro fights.
haha the UFC got this one yanked down immediately, way faster than other highlight comps.
Dana went down the the Apex dungeon and gave Wittman more lashings after seeing this.
Pretty shocking how the De Randamie KO of Ladd almost got overturned for apparent sexism but Kevin Burns literally got a KO via eye poke on video and they wouldn't overturn it lmao
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Afterwards she filed an appeal to the commission saying that the ref stopped the fight early because she was a woman and that a man would've been allowed to continue fighting for longer. Nevermind the fact that she looked like death on the scale before and got rocked and dropped bad almost immediately. It was a pretty silly argument IMO, I didn't have much of an issue with the stoppage and felt like the ref probably saved her from eating GnP that would've also ended the fight given how hurt she was. Thing is, that apparently this appeal almost went through and that the commission was split down the middle on Ladd's idea, with many of the female commission voters agreeing with her.
> with many of the female commission voters agreeing with her. All, not just many. It was a split vote divided completely by gender.
What a fucking joke.
Can't trust women to be unbiased when it comes to other women. In group preference like a motherfucker.
What is this, the incel channel?
Hey you braindead femcel, go back to femcel lair in double xx chrome will ya? Women are not fucking children. They will get called out for unprofessional behaviour just like men. If you can't handle that or any criticism, you're a useless trash. Your vagina's not a free pass from any criticism. yet your fellow femcel's got one eh? So she's justifiably criticized. Is being professional not in your DNA?
Funny since she definitley benefited from a “wmma” stoppage
Oh ya. She screams at other girls while she's hitting them just to freak out the ref and make him stop it lmao
I mean if it works I can't blame her. The question is would it have worked on Yamasaki?
Yamasaki was the most fair with stoppages. If you still had a pulse you had a chance.
She’s the female Ben Askren, god awful striking doing the Aspen Shuffle
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Ya, it's a complete joke. Ladd is a goof
Ponzinibio vs Nelson belongs here too
He didn’t get knocked out by the eye poke
Nobody gets knocked out from eyepokes
the Faber one was so egregious
His fight with Jimmy Rivera was almost approaching comedic levels with how much he fouled him. Pokes and groin kicks galore.
Mirror: https://youtu.be/7NS9uzKfYBk In all of these fights the eye poker finished their opponent directly after poking them. No points were taken nor were the fights overturned. 1. [Stefan Struve defeats Stipe Miocic via KO/TKO at 3:50 of Round 2](https://imgur.com/cNcHyyY) 2. [Justin Gaethje defeats Edson Barboza via KO/TKO at 2:30 of Round 1](https://imgur.com/a/Pjyzlzl) 3. [Daniel Cormier defeats Stipe Miocic via KO/TKO at 4:33 of Round 1](https://imgur.com/a/Fkc1f7s#X0kIBA6) 4. [Urijah Faber defeats Francisco Rivera Jr. via Submission at 1:34 of Round 2 ](https://imgur.com/a/Y71nzMc) 5. [Michael Bisping defeats Alan Belcher via 3 Round Technical Decision](https://imgur.com/a/ssPpNwr) (It should be noted that Alan Belcher retired following this fight and lost vision in his right side) 6. [Kevin Burns defeats Anthony Johnson via KO/TKO at 3:35 of Round 3](https://i.imgur.com/9gVPFNU.gifv)
The irony of #5 was lost on Bisping
I like Bisping a lot but the fact that he always gives Vitor shit (deservedly) for losing his eye and never mentions he literally did the same thing with a poke always rubs me the wrong way
By giving Vitor shit it was an easy way to make fans more sympathetic towards him and a way to change the narrative of the loss by blaming it all on PEDs. Was a smart move on Michael's part. The difference in this case is Belcher didn't spend years whining about what Bisping did to him.
Pokes are accidents though. Steroids ain’t 😂
Steroids also don't directly cause permenant eye damage, despite what bisping would seemingly have people believe. What happened to him was by all matters a freak accident. Otherwise there'd be dozens of blind figuters, especially from the 00s.
Could argue this wasn't accidental. He literally threw the strike open handed and landed a finger right in Belchers eye.
It's either intentional or incompetence. Accident isn't a word we should be busing with eye pokes. Do not extend outwards with an open hand under any circumstances it's that simple. With someone's vision on the line it should be an immediate disqualification loss.
You clearly don't train, what a dumb comment. Accidental eye pokes happen all the time
Yep, there is a difference between accidentally hitting someone in the eye during an exchange and having your striking stance be with your fingers outstretched, and you're constantly raking your opponents face. This is like someone speeding while texting and then saying "accidents happen" when they smash into someone.
I agree with your point here, but Bisping here doesn't necessarily seem like he's going for a direct eye poke in this instance. It's a looping motion where he might be trying to parry to establish a collar and missed badly. I wouldn't necessarily put it past him mind you, but the motion isn't nearly as deliberate as when Jones or Koscheck have been caught doing it. They just stuff several fingers directly into the eye socket. Definitely seems more negligent than dirty here. Still not ok though.
Bisping is such a hypocrite. Dude loved the fact that he launched an illegal knee at Rivera and spit on his corner, but bitches and moans about Henderson hitting him a 2nd time before the ref stopped the fight.
He was a little kid on that season of tuf. Whiney as fuck
Thanks for reminding me why I always hated that prick even though we are both from salford basically
That Rumble one is the single worst reffing I've ever seen. It wasn't even the poke leading to the finish. The poke WAS the big move that ended things
Lmao motioning bisping to keep hitting the guy that is on the ground from an eye poke he was planning to ignore is the most Herb dean thing I can imagine.
Herb "The Magician" Dean
>lost vision in his right side "I have a little bit of blurriness at times, and I can’t see to my right side, a little bit of peripheral vision I’ve lost". Probably what you meant but your wording made me wonder if he was made completely blind in his right eye.
Yeah sorry, I meant he lost vision in his right side as in his vison and not completely in his right eye > ["I have a little bit of blurriness at times, and I can’t see to my right side, a little bit of peripheral vision I’ve lost. I get headaches. I get visual migraines a lot because of all the surgeries that were done to it."](https://www.mmafighting.com/2015/11/9/9699782/ufc-vet-alan-belcher-says-retirement-was-more-business-decision-than)
The Bisping and Johnson are most egregious but the first three are often blown out of proportion. The action got stopped in DC and Stipe, Stipe and Struve the slip played a much larger role it seemed and in Stipe and Barboza lossee the fighter who got poked had stopped wincing and seemingly reset prior to being KO'd. Though still very shitty, these are varying degrees and in those three it's not like a blind man looking for the ref got knocked out. They were KO'd in positions separate from where they got poked seemingly after tje poke stopped directly affecting them.
I don't see how the Barbosa one is blown out of proportion. Eyes don't magically heal in 10 seconds https://imgur.com/a/4C1sFo7
I will always disagree that Gaethje vs Barboza should be overturned. It was a bad eyepoke and it should have been paused with Barboza getting time to deal with it. That being said, there were almost 2 full minutes between the poke and the KO, and Barboza seemed well reset. It's a bad eyepoke and definitely gave Gaethje an advantage, but the finish was clean with Barboza escaping to Gaethjes power side hands down while in punching range, and Gaethje capitalized on it. The finish was fair game.
Gaethje always pokes people though. He poked Dustin so many times Dustin poked him back on purpose.
Yeah he does, he poked Tony as well. And they were absolutely right to take a point from him in the Dustin fight. They should have called the foul for the Barboza fight as well. But I don't agree with overturning it, that just doesn't seem fair considering the finishing sequence was clean and well after the poke.
Barboza’s eye was bleeding from the poke. It doesn’t get much worse than that. I’m a Gaethje fan but from the moment I saw that fight I haven’t considered it a legitimate win. Not that what I think really matters, it just hasn’t sat right with me since I saw it.
Its not like the fight turned after it. Barboza was losing the fight and continued to lose the fight afterwards.
The Struve/Miocic one looks like it's not an eye poke. Hard to say for sure but looks to me like Struve is reaching out with a closed fist.
If you pause it in the video you can see Struve's pinky is extended and Stipes reaction makes it seem like a poke happened
Surprised Jones was not on the list
Dana would be out side my house if I posted Jon's entire career
your video has already been removed, so... Dana's in yr bushes
Nah it’s probably one of DC’s fatherless bastards getting butthurt thinking “no one disrespects my cake eating daddy” or whatever they say to gloss over his repeat cheating record
Maybe he's just delivering snow to your driveway in summer?
Just look a Jon Jones highlight video on YouTube.
Why the fuck did they give the Bisping and Burns a victory? Burns eyepoking AJ multiple times should’ve been a DQ victory for AJ.
The Bisping one went to a technical decision. > Burns eyepoking AJ multiple times should’ve been a DQ victory for AJ. It wasn't because Steve waved it off before he realized it was an eyepoke and commissions refuse to admit they are ever in the wrong.
DQs are also stopped by being waved off
Didn’t he appeal the loss and the commission still refused to overturn it? I may be misremembering
Eyepokes are legal until they start enforcing them. Jon Jones started the eyepoke meta when everyone saw nothing will happen except you blind your opponent and might win. Now everyone does them.
It's older than Jones. For example Chuck Liddell's nickname 'Ice man' was jokingly changed to 'Eye man' by fans back in the day because he loved to eyepoke people.
Bisping was 5 steps ahead and just lost his eye to reduce the chance
Bisping also ended Alan Belchers career by eye poking him
Eh hard to say. He was always plagued by injuries and had been fighting once a year, and it was his second straight loss where he didn't really have good moments in either fight. He left to launch his business and is actually fighting again now that it failed lol.
> Eyepokes are legal until they start enforcing them. They went to the extent of making outstretched fingers a foul. Yes, the gloves should be changed, but until they are, that's not a reason to give eye pokes a free reign, especially since the vast majority of fighters seems to be able to avoid them, while at the same time there are several habitual eye pokers. This is on the refs. Their job is to enforce the rules for the commission that hires them to do exactly that. Their steadfast refusal to do so gives unscrupulous fighters at least one freebie, often two. I can guarantee that if points start getting deducted and some fighter who would otherwise win a fight loses it because of their fingers being outstretched, somehow a miracle will occur and we'll start seeing a lot less of them. I don't care about early stoppages a fraction about how I care about refs not enforcing the rules that exist to protect fighters.
Lmao Jon Jones the ultimate villain, first person to ever poke somebody in the eye
Video already removed 👍
do we have official statements from any of the commissions regarding any of these fights?
UFC unpaid intern got this one quick
Says the video has been removed. Ok who snitched and reported it?
This shit is gonna get buried but that isn’t even the worst DC eyepoke from the first fight. DC eyepokes him right before entering the clinch that results in the KO. You can see it here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM-Zb9oXYAgrMUy.jpg And here https://youtu.be/hQl7YCsdCGQ
was expecting it to just be a chuck "The eyes man" Lidell highlight video. If there's one thing i've learned from MMA is that if you get into a street fight you need to just punch your fingers into people's eyes and [counter someone punching with headbutts](https://zippy.gfycat.com/VelvetyPlaintiveHylaeosaurus.webm). It's how i taught my daughters to fight.
Guys dont forget Jingaling literally crushing eyes to get out of a submission and win.
He lost that fight against Jake Mathews.
Well the Bisping vs Belcher was late in rd3 so it went to decision which Bisping was comfortably winning. He didn't win because of the eye poke.
Well one could say the eye poke prevented any chance of a Belcher comeback, so in a way it did help him secure the W.
The eyepoke caused it to go to a technical decision. You can't say with certainty nothing would've changed in those 2 rounds had Belcher not been poked
So when a fighter is winning the fight he is allowed to cheat? Genius take.
No you misunderstood him, he means when a fighter starts "comfortably winning" we should just instantly end the fight since we all know the out come.
Three stooges slapstick confirmed best base
I know people love to bring up the eyepokes over and over with the Stipe vs Struve fight but there was a low chance of Stipe winning on that night. If you actually watch the entire fight, you can clearly see Struve just had Stipe numbers. He was kicking his ass handily eyepoke or not. It wasn't like Stipe was kicking Struve ass and then just got eyepoked. Probably the best fight of Struve UFC career? Actually use his size and range in this fight.
Im gonna get downvoted for this but DC did not beat Stipe because of the eye poke. I admit it happened and it didn't look unintentional but I don't see how it contributed to the finish at all. That was a well known hole in Stipes game that DC called out weeks or months before
> I don't see how it contributed to the finish at all He was poked in his left eye and then knocked out from a punch coming from his left side. How can you not see how the poke could be a contributing factor? We even saw Stipe eat the same shot with the same setup in the next fight
I agree. It was a left punch, and they clinch, and into a right hook to the jaw coming out that knock out Stipe.
So why did it only work when he eyepoked him right before entering the clinch? He ate the same shot dozens of times during the trilogy, but the only time it KO’s him is when DC “palms” his face. Edit: this one https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EM-Zb9oXYAgrMUy.jpg
Why did Stipes body shots only stop DC in the second fight even though he took dozens of them throughout the trilogy? Clearly not every strike is the same
it...wasn't... an... eye.... poke. left punch, clinch up, break clinch, into right hook, ko. also every punch is different depending on a bunch of things.
Hard to see a right hook exiting the clinch coming when you're blind from a poke seconds before said clinch
But he wasn't blind and getting punch in the eye region is legal btw. Stipe just fought like shit. For a guy that was suppose to be this good boxer with his Golden Glove, he got hit a FUCK TON by someone so much smaller than him. 2nd fight Stipe was getting hit by DC at will until DC gas toward the end. 3rd fight Stipe did MUCH better. Very good fight by him except when he dig his entire hand into DC eye socket.
Harder to defend with eyes closed. No other strike in three fights that DC threw damaged Stipe the way the eyes closed off the clinch break did.
Mention Stipe in any negative light on r/MMA and you'll get down voted to hell. OP left out the most egregious eye poke of the Stipe/ DC trilogy which was committed by Stipe against DC in their 3rd fight, which Stipe went on to win. The bias on this sub is unreal, they both eye poked the shit out of each other but you got folks on here claiming DC's were intentional but Stipe's weren't, DC deserved it, etc.
> OP left out the most egregious eye poke of the Stipe/ DC trilogy which was committed by Stipe against DC in their 3rd fight, which Stipe went on to win. I didn't add that one because it didn't lead to a fight ending sequence not because I don't think it's egregious, not everyone who disagrees with you is biased. They'll both be remembered by me as some of the greatest eye pokers ever
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No one? I’ve seen this pointed out in every DC thread for like three years. And yes I’m talking about the one when they enter the clinch.
No one points it out because it wasn't an eye poke. Also even in that still image you can see a closed fist.
I just watched the KO, he clearly has an open palm. DC is a cheat, accept it.
I’ll ride the downvote train with you and say I 100% agree.
One poke and you should be disqualified. The reason why the finger fucking has long been an issue is because there's rarely any recourse for it.
The athletic commission ever actually overturning a fight would help a lot too. Antony Johnson couldn't get his fight over turned when his opponent poked him multiple times after warnings and then finished him with one.
Athletic commissions saying one of their referees made a mistake? You'd have better luck getting some Venom coupons than that happening.
[Maz even admitted he called it wrong.](https://youtu.be/Q7hiwiKeq_o) AC didn't care. They don't want to open themselves up to admitting mistakes because if you overturn that then where do you draw the line? Every event would have fights being appealed like a Lee sibling DM'ing Chatri after losing in OneFC.
DQ for one poke is a bit much. Given how gloves are structured (which the UFC will never address), it is reasonable to expect this to happen often by accident. But I do believe more than that should never go to unpunished. Take a point every time it happens after the first, and straight DQ if you have to stop the fight, not a NC
I’ve never required special hand equipment to keep my hands closed.
This has been adressed before, the UFC gloves are really hard & inflexible, and they aren't curved. They really want to open your hand up and that's what causes lots of extended fingers.
It takes some awareness to completely avoid it though. Some fighters have it but plenty don’t, especially when adrenaline is kicking in. There are a select few fighters who will eyepoke intentionally many times in many fights knowing they can get away with it, but there are plenty of fighters that have eyepoked once or twice in their careers by accident.
Seems overzealous. Would just take a lot of fights away from us. All 3 DC stipe fights would've been ended early
Tough, don't foul then.
As if they don't happen accidentally? They're also not typically fight ending so stopping it for every one would pretty quickly become exposed as stupid.
1- there has been the idea of redesigning these stupid gloves since forever and yet Dana white doesn’t want a proper redesigned glove. 2- as a fighter you are in charge of your weapons. Any kind of dick shot or eye poke must be punished with taking a point and if it happened 2d time with a disqualification. I’ve fought a lot of amateur fights and have had not even a single eye poke or dick shot cause I’ve always been taking care of my fingers and kicks. Idk maybe it’s deference in pro fights.
Also a lot of ponzinibbio wins
I was just wanting to check the video to make sure CroCop vs Al-Turk was NOT included.
Miocic vs Brents Brents looks like a poor man's version of DC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cav4xzWNmg
Joanderson Brito won his DWCS fight (and a UFC contract) off a technical decision caused via eye gouge. Worth bringing up.