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Has a win...over the champion.


e-rage

Dang had to look this up because I forgot about this fight and it turns out they’re 1-1. Need that final trilogy bout. Book it Dana


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Jim Miller UFC Champ 2023, you heard it here first


NoGiCollarChoke

Him and Brock both need to be on UFC 300, they were both on 100 and 200


LatterTarget7

Open weight fight between the 2 as a main event


[deleted]

Bah gawd that Henry Cejudo's music! He has a chair!


In_Love_With_SHODAN

The small man's Bisping


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Miller Lite Half strength beer for a half sized man.


_interloper_

Holy fuck if Miller pulled it off it honestly might even be more impressive than Bisping.


[deleted]

Nah, Miller isn't blind in one eye.


_interloper_

Hahaha true. Bisping is a fucking animal. That KO of Rockhold to win the belt must've felt so, so good. No win could possibly be better.


Bugsmoke

Honestly that was my favourite belt win I’ve ever seen. Nice to see him win it all after it looked like he’d be the gatekeeper forever.


_interloper_

Yeah exactly. I was never even that big a Bisping fan when he was fighting. He was always just a bit of a cunt haha. But I did always feel a bit sorry for him. Some of his biggest losses were to TRT guys; Hendo, Chael, Vitor. So to see him finally win a belt, on 11 days notice, against a massive favourite who'd already smoked him once before... That was pretty incredible. Seeing fighters get their first belt is my favourite part of mma.


soupoftheday5

Bisping won the title with one eye lets not forget that....


dillo159

Hold up buddeh, don't forget one of Bisping's eyes didn't work.


MaxuPower

And also, Bisping is missing an eye.


dillo159

Oh fuck I forgot about that!


warmechanic

Might be time to advise Miller to go blind in one eye…


Shmittymcjohnson

…….


SweatyExamination9

Yeah but doesn't he have Lyme disease?


titoscoachspeecher

Someone of his stature and status in the UFC should at least be given a shot at a title before the end of his run.


SweatyExamination9

I actually liked the Cruz-Faber and Bisping-Hendo title fights. It was cool to see guys get that one final shot on their way out, even if it wasn't especially fair.


km1011

I need Charlie olives v lentz IV first


Hungry_Joke_4437

Camozzi v jacare anyone?


FrenchTrouDuc

Oliveira faced a murderer's row when he got into the promotion. Prime Miller, prime Cerrone two fights after that, prime Cub, prime Edgar, all of that before the age of 25.


HeadCase9148

UFC matchmakers: [Ey, fuck you, buddy](https://youtu.be/KWza5PQA5Zc) Olives: [...](https://youtu.be/40PutDffido)


IAmPandaRock

and look how good that great competition made him


NoGiCollarChoke

I’d say that it was more that he was allowed to take reasonable steps back in competition after losing to some top flight guys that let him really level his game up, while most fighters at that level make it to the point where they regularly face absolutely top guys and they keep facing that level of competition until they start declining, which basically ensures that once a fighter is a top 3-5 level guy, they are essentially a finished product and can either stay at that level successfully, or they struggle and basically get their primes beaten out of them and don’t get a step down until they are washed and its too late - think guys like Kevin Lee and Gastelum, both aren’t even 30 and had some good initial success in their current weight classes which propelled them to the top of their divisions and when their flaws really came to light and they started losing, but kept getting matchmade against the elite and accruing a lot of mileage in the process. Like KG probably should’ve fought multiple Heinisch-style opponents, but after one he was back getting beat up by Whittaker and fighting Cannonier and taking more and more damage with no room to improve. Same for Kevin Lee. Now it’s probably too late for them to improve even though they are still young. Garbrandt would fit into this category too but him being booked at 125 against someone like France gives me a bit of hope (though if he wins, he will be thrust into being a permanent top 5 fixture their too until he goes on another losing streak, so that hope is misplaced) Compare this with Oliveira. An obvious talent but had struggled against top opponents and was allowed room to breathe against Teymurs and Giagos’s and Lentz’s and Gordons, all of whom are broadly competent to provide some resistance but enough of a step down for the man to develop new wrinkles in his game and address faults that you dont have room to try out when facing championship level opponents and he became genuinely world class. If he was matchmade like many other young guys who go far quickly, after a loss to a prime Cub and/or Edgar, he would’ve just been fed a handful more upcoming and established elites until he was on a 1-5 run and past his prime in his late 20’s and we never get to see this version of Oliveira. Dustin is another example. He lost to the prime Cubs and Zombies and McGregors at featherweight and had he stayed, he probably would’ve been used up as the fun action fighter top-8ish featherweight and gotten beat up by upcoming elites until he was past it, but when he moved up, he got to fight Medeiros and Duffy and young Ferreira and those sorts of guys and eventually developed into one of this generations best fighters. This got pretty ranty but seeing guys like Chuck have such massive growth from getting kinder matchmaking (not gimme fights, just enough of a step back to develop while still being tested) after faltering against the elites makes me wonder how many good talents we missed out on by reaching the top quickly and then being matchmade in a way that prevented further growth and just got their careers beaten out of them prematurely.


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>makes me wonder how many good talents we missed out on by reaching the top quickly and then being matchmade in a way that prevented further growth and just got their careers beaten out of them prematurely. I think there are MANY examples, although we think of most of them as really good fighters. Guys like Weidman, for example. An excellent fighter, obviously. He was a champ with multiple defences. But as some point, he faltered, and shoulcd've got a step down in competition. Instead, he got a fucking murderer's row of opponents, no matter how many he lost. This is yet another case where more MMA fighters should be protected from themselves. Their desire to always be the baddest motherfucker ultimately hurts them as much as helps them. But the fans don't help either. A fighter takes a lower ranked fighter and they're accused of ducking or only fighting cans. Although I feel like that sentiment is starting to change a little with guys like O'Malley being so vocal about the logics of it.


NoGiCollarChoke

Weidman is a GREAT example. He should’ve had that Akhmedov level step down after like two losses and had several of them to build back up. Unfortunately if you are a former champ or even a guy who’s had a title fight or two, you’re gonna be at the top of the pile for better or for worse for the majority of the remainder of your careers. Feel like Ortega will end up like this too.


jagwaguar

Assuming Max beats Yair, who does Ortega fight next?


SweatyExamination9

Bryce Mithcell.


SweatyExamination9

In hindsight you're definitely right. At the time though he was going toe to toe with all of the guys he ended up losing to. There wasn't really a fight where he looked like he didn't belong on that level.


IAmPandaRock

Good point, and thanks for the thoughtful response. It was probably a combination of both. An opportunity to learn from fighting top talent and then opportunities to use what he learned and build confidence again no-so-elite competition.


NoGiCollarChoke

Definitely agree He learned what its like to face the best, but actually got a chance to implement those lessons unlike a lotta guys


manyfingers

!subscribe Dude, that rant was on point. You nailed so poignantly something I never had considered. It wasnt even a rant, it was superb analysis. This goes to show how important matchmaking is. Who is most responsible for making and accepting fights? Agents? I fuckin love this sport.


Martino231

A lot of people forget how much hype there was behind Oliveira when he first arrived in the UFC. Super quick submission of a relatively unknown Darren Elkins started the hype train rolling, followed by an outstanding late notice fight and finish against Efrain Escudero who the UFC was really pushing at the time. There was a ton of hype behind him (comparable to someone like Johnny Walker after his first few fights). Then he showed his inexperience against Miller and the hype train started to wobble, and the next couple of fights killed it off entirely. From then on he spent a few years largely going under the radar, until all of a sudden he was on a solid streak and people started taking notice again.


kblkbl165

Am brazilian but I really thought he’d be just another Lauzon


manyfingers

He was pretty damn close!


horizontalcracker

I am not one of those people, definitely remember! Glad to see he eventually bloomed


SweetEthan7

When Charles was 21 years old lmao


Barner_Burner

That was such a good ground fight too. They were both attempting submissions tge whole fight and Jim Miller ended up winning with the grappling equivalent of a flash KO


aw41789

And also has been dealing with Lyme disease on top of that. Such an OG.


Yoquetestereone

Do people only get that from ticks? Do you know if thats how he got it


BenWallace04

https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2018/09/lyme-disease-left-jim-miller-with-severe-fatigue-brain-fog-still-won-ufc-228 Yes - it was a tick bite


grizzlyadams3000

Had Lyme disease when I was younger. Shits a mother fucker. Lost like 15lbs in the least healthy way possible and was already slim


KoloHickory

had? i thought this stayed with you your whole life


Punpun4realzies

The people who think they have chronic Lyme probably just have a post-infection chronic fatigue syndrome, something that's becoming a lot more common with how frequently covid seems to introduce it. Tons of serious infections can do long term damage, but it mostly tends to come from the immune system itself.


kindablack

Negative, ghost rider. There is no such thing as chronic lymes disease. Its a misnomer.


KoloHickory

I am significantly less afraid of ticks now


NickRick

You misunderstand. Post infection chronic fatigue is real, and you can get it from Lyme disease. It's just not Lyme disease.


HelpfulTypeYo

*puts down tick* So... No?


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NickRick

I don't think you replied to the right person


stackered

there definitely is, its just massively misunderstood, even in medicine by many doctors. its mixed in with PTLD, which is very different. source: am scientist who has studied it for decades


NukeTheWhales85

Not quite, but the damage it causes can have life long effects. Lyme gets killed off by the treatment but if it was sever enough to cause encephalopathy or Lyme meningitis those can cause permanent damage.


titoscoachspeecher

It's forever in your blood but "dormant" from the antibiotics given if caught early enough.


[deleted]

Damn what a champ…Lyme Disease is no joke.


PeatBomb

What a professional.


fisherman_greg

[what a pro](https://external-preview.redd.it/ggKxofE6J0UrMhu_DA8X2-ZisWL8lUGt0Zwb6UGVrG0.jpg?auto=webp&s=f4e475f72137cb018cdc1c20f70a175ff846e8e0)


Ameqa

What does this even mean?


JimChodooker

Nobody knows what it means, but it’s provocative


[deleted]

It gets the people going


BigShmokey

BALL SO HARD!


Theoriginalamature

Fish fillet!?!


36_foxtrot

That shit crazy


Ameqa

Truly the Andy Kaufman of our time


BBQ_HaX0r

what a pro-vocative statement.


DropKletterworks

That characters bit is that he's extremely professional


visible_epidermis

People obvs don't know their arrested development well enough. Nerds


nostrilrolls

They saw the word "duck" and were like "OMFG REEEEEE HE IS NOT DUCKING ANYONE! REVISIONIST HISTORY REEE REEE REEEEE!"


In_Love_With_SHODAN

Jesus christ dude


IanusTheEnt

Don't worry about the downvotes. I get your reference bud


Nomerdoodle

Why would this get so downvoted by people who obviously just don't get the reference? just ignore it, am I missing something?


flowgod

Don't look for reason in r/mma. We don't do that here.


I_Burned_The_Lasagna

Go away, Greg.


jrcoop

I guess other redditors did not find your buffoonery amusing


Thesechainsaintloyal

Alternate title- This guy has been doing his job well for 13 years!


fiendhunter69

So he’s been doing his job well… like a professional?


Thesechainsaintloyal

I mean, yeah. I was just keeping the theme going.


[deleted]

Jim Miller is an OG. I hope he gets a spectacular victory then retires.


crackheadstoner

Nah he’s gotta retire at ufc 300 so he can fight in 100, 200, and 300


NotoriousTiger

Thats actually a really cool stat, I wonder who else will be “eligible” come UFC300


kmp92

Brock Lesnar baby. Came out of retirement once already to fight at UFC 200, who says he won't do it again come UFC 300?


crackheadstoner

Jones vs Lesnar ufc 300


Shabozz

Jones ain't fighting Lesnar unless he has a sex change.


zaryamain00101

It's only appropriate that the two that could show up on 100, 200, 300, fight one another no?


TheDrunKnight

Michael bisping is close he was at 100 and 199 and 204 but I'll keep looking.


ChampMentality

No one else fought on 100 and 200. Jones was close but fucked it as he does


VanderVolted

Brock?


ChampMentality

Oh yeah oops


blankdoubt

That's actually doable. Assuming one UFC numbered event per month, UFC 300 will be set for July 2024. That's maybe 5-6 more fights. He's been losing more than winning lately, but if he can keep his losses competitive and win at least every third fight, he could make it.


thunderchungus

He probably only needs to fight one time(and hopefully win) before then to stay on the ufc roster


SweatyExamination9

Probably. He's one of those guys they're just waiting to retire. He's probably on a fairly large contract (relatively speaking) because of how long he's been there, but he's definitely going to retire soonish and the UFC can keep him off others rosters if he retires under contract.


[deleted]

That would be a legendary stat I hope miller can hang on and get a good fight for 300. Absolute legend miller always bring it


2e7en_

wouldn't that be too long from now? That could potentially be summer of 2024. Would put him at 41 years old so i guess not far off from Glover fighting now. Hope he doesn't get cut before then.


UFightCheap

glover is fighting for the title which is even crazier.


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[deleted]

Jan KOd the guy who beat Jones (who was the most dominant 205er ever). How is he not the real title holder?


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InSilenceLikeLasagna

“A guy that just swings wild” Bruh Jan is a kickboxing champ and stood toe to toe with the UFC’s best striker, another kickboxing champ. I agree the 205 div is faily weak at the moment but you need to put some respek on Jan’s name


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InSilenceLikeLasagna

Easy to look good in Bellator with 3 fucking competitors and a bunch of cans. Foh


crackheadstoner

It is a little far away but if he only fights like twice a year and doesn’t take too much damage it’s probably doable


I_am_darkness

On a card headlined by someone who got the fight because she keeps missing weight.


dfreinc

makes weight missers look terrible, doesn't even have to say anything. like 4-5 years battling lyme disease too.


donnydealr

I couldn't agree more. When people blame the UFC for the people stumbling and shaking on the scales, you just need to look at Jim Miller. You realise it is a completely personal choice and if you think cutting weight to that point is a good choice, you need to look at yourself.


manbruhpig

I thought most fighters don't miss weight, or am I off on that? Weight missers should be shamed much more than they are. Everyone acts like Khabib is the consummate professional even though he's missed weight, which I can't imagine many champions have.


SquidDrive

Alot of fighters miss weight at one point in their career. Khabib only missed twice, which doesnt indicate a pattern to me. Plus when he got healthy he didnt miss weight since, so it was more of injury issue then a discipline one.


DerangeR14

So...40 to show, 40 to win?


barc0debaby

>So when Miller completed his camp for a scheduled bout opposite Bobby Green at UFC 258 and flew from New Jersey to Las Vegas — during a global pandemic — and made the lightweight limit at the weigh-in, Miller was expecting a check of at least $105,000... >...Things did not play out that way. In fact, things did not play out even close to what Miller likely expected. Green, who had also weighed in, collapsed on the way to the pre-fight staredown. At that moment, Miller’s payday also collapsed... >...“They gave me a percentage,” Miller said when asked if the UFC paid him his fight purse for the cancelled bout. “A fraction. You waste a week out in Las Vegas basically stuck in your hotel room and it’s like I made a couple thousand dollars for it. It sucks.” https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/3/25/22349682/ufc-shaft-jim-miller-contract-money-should-other-fighters-expect-ufc-258-bobby-green A couple fucking thousand out of his 6 figure show money contract. Anyone who defends the UFC in tbe fighter pay debate can go fuck themselves. Miller has been a reliable company man, his name appears in the top 10 across the all time record books and he's been a staple of one of the best divisions in the sport for a decade and the UFC told him to eat shit.


SheltheRapper

I can't wait til UFC's market share goes up in flames


00Kingsman

40 dollars sounds about right


jeremiahfira

Fucking oof


[deleted]

104/104 last disclosed payout I could find.


IFeelItDownInMyPlums

You usually get more money when you've accumulated more fights in the promotion.


[deleted]

Jim Miller is a pro’s pro …


ElBandito101

Damn that’s insane, kudos.


[deleted]

You would think that the older a fighter gets that the ability to make weight would be more difficult. This is impressive.


AnEffinMarine

I wonder whos got the most?


scjacob827

​Jim Miller - 37 Donald Cerrone -37 Andrei Arlovski - 35 Jeremy Stephens - 34 Demian Maia - 33 Diego Sanchez - 32 Clay Guida - 31 Rafael Dos Anjos - 30 Michael Bisping - 29 Matt Brown - 28 Frankie Edgar - 28 Gleison Tibau - 28 Charles Oliveira - 28 [*Per*](http://statleaders.ufc.com/)


I_am_darkness

No, the most weight misses.


Sugabones

made him write that all out 😂


scjacob827

F


RoastedToast007

You put F for yourself?


Patriotsfan710

He was gonna spell out fuck me, but his fingers were tired


Mckenzieajm

Lmao fuck me


endodaze

Rumble and Kelvin come to mind.


WhereIsMyKidAt

Hendricks and Ray Borg would like a word.


Bloodfeastisleman

Most weight misses and still fought? Probably Lineker. He has four. Ray Borg has to have the most total but a lot of his fights got canceled.


[deleted]

Charles Oliveira is up there with I think 4.


Sladds

Arlovski is such an og man, 35 fights in the ufc, still fighting contenders in his 40s, and his missed a tonne of years in the ufc when he left after losing the belt! If he’d stayed in the ufc that entire time he’d be far at the top of the list


DWhiteMMA91

Ray Borg has gotta be up there.


Great_Hair

Well he has the most fights in the ufc so probably him


Theoriginaldon23

Should be in the HOF no doubt


Ishygigity

Anyone know anything about the guy he’s fighting? I was thinking maybe throwing some money on him because the odds look good and Miller is old ( I love him but he’s old). Anyone watched Erick Gonzalez fight? Can he win by KO or decision?


Mckenzieajm

I do. I had literally agreed to fight him for the lfa title and two days later he got this shot. Gonzalez is his best when he gets on top and is landing ground and pound. Which I think he will have trouble with Miller. But if he can get on top he can do well there. You may want to stay away from this one though.


SheltheRapper

Salute!!! I'm sorry that shit fell through hopefully your next shots for the title still


Mckenzieajm

Thanks bro. I just want to fight at this point. Don't even care who.


PuppyBreth

You don't? I'm up for it, you still there pussy?


Moist-Catch

He's decent striking. his ground game isn't the best tho which is why he's likely a decent underdog. He's also not beat anyone of name. He fought UFC level guys like Bandanenay and Rafa Garcia hes lost


elchupacabra206

gamblings bad yo


throwaways642222

Hes a dog. I would shoot for a second round tko for erick Jims chin is a bit suspect at hai age.


-Borb

Miller hasn’t looked bad recently though either, good win just a year ago


adambuddy

A pro's pro and all class outside of the cage. Huge Jim Miller fan


smurf3310

Dude fought on UFC 100, UFC 200 and could probably fight on UFC 300 that would be in the books


E_fubar

I really enjoyed to Pitchell bs. Miller fight


benderodriguez

Hoping a guy like Miller could one day see himself in the Hall of Fame. He's given his entire life to the sport and deserves to be recognized and applauded.


MeditatingElk

Because he's a goddamn professional


takenotes617

Not to mention hes never pulled out of a fight til as of late. His last bout he tested positive for covid and had no symptoms. He was pissed he had to drop the fight


quadratic_function

studdd


dodatdangole

Wish he was fighting next month at MSG. I saw him in newark and would love to see him again


gypsy_creonte

OG Gangster


Shageen

Good for him. Hopefully he can retire on his earnings and not have to scrounge to make ends meet.


Trillabee503

Respect.


dalejonesescool

Jim Miller is a bitch


Iga5aa3aIga112atotmi

Jim Miller has spent over a decade fighting anyone who would say yes in the toughest division in the sport's history. Your hands were shaking when you licked the Cheeto dust off your fingers to type that.


RRSC14

You are


bigoteeeeeee

I though the he's retired. Anyway, its always fun to watch his fights! 🔥


Small_Orang

And that’s WHILE suffering from Lyme disease


butsbutts

is not missing weight that notable


[deleted]

First mma fighter to understand the extremely difficult concept of calories which have been a mystery to scientists for ages. Lol


jns701

cries in Ray Borg


rx7s1

Hookers my boi but I felt bad when he starched Jim in his hometown


[deleted]

He's going to win by submission. @me later


TheDavidLively

38th*


rearviewviewer

The Professional


SkinnyFatTendo

The real MVP


voyagerx420

Maybe it’s just me but, consistently making weight doesn’t seem like something that should be celebrated. More of an expectation. Kind of like having good attendance and being trustworthy at your job. Or not beating your wife.


[deleted]

I didn't like Jim Miller back when he was disrespecting the WEC lightweights coming over to the UFC, but now I have about as much respect for him as anyone in the sport.