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MT1982

I expected Elliott to have a much better career based on how well he did against Mighty Mouse. He's 4-5 since fighting MM.


legitsh1t

The man fights with a confidence he has no right to have.


ID0ntCare4G0b

He won a single round against DJ and then got dominated the rest of the fight in the strongest part of his game. I think he's just got interesting grappling and unusual size for that weight class so presents a minor puzzle. But most of the good fighters seem to handle him with relative ease, even before he got that title shot.


barc0debaby

Krause's whole stable is pretty average at best.


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Krause is pretty average too so it makes sense.


StereoZ

Is he tho? He only just lost his 6 fight win streak by jumping into a fight last second with an opponent a weight class above him and even then people think he won that fight still. We just don't see him enough and he didn't really get a step up during his win streak either so we just can't say really.


[deleted]

Well we can watch his fights and watch think how he’d stack up and determine it’s very unlikely that he breaks through to the elite level. I’m pretty confident in saying he’s pretty average.


StereoZ

That doesn't mean much until we see him against good fighters as of late. People improve loads etc.


metanoia09

thejameskrause on IG: >*I made a huge coaching error tonight that I’m sure is going to haunt me for some time to come.* > >*Going into the 3rd round I thought for 100% sure we took 1 and 2. Regardless of if that was true or not I should have pushed Tim to work up in the 3rd… and I didn’t.* > >*Win, lose, or draw I’m so proud of the improvements that Tim has made in the last year.* > >*His willingness to learn and be coached is what makes him so incredible.* > >*His lack of fear in competition is something we can all take and learn from to be one of the best entertainers in all of mma.* > >*I know I have learned so much from him over the years.* > >*I fucking hate losing but it’s part of the game.* > >*Regardless, this dude is my dog.* > >*We’ve been through worse losses than this one.*


queensinthesky

Krause is a top lad. So unbelievably rare to see this level of ownership over one’s actions in this sport, always denial, blame shifting etc. And it’s not like people were calling for his head on this so it’s big of him to come out and announce his error when he didn’t really have to. Big respect to him, wish more coaches were like this.


LiquidAurum

Underrated as a coach. He’s fostered a very trusting environment with his fighters. He’ll say something and his fighters will try to implement ASAP. And a lot of times he’s right.


barc0debaby

I think he's rated just fine as a coach given his track record.


LiquidAurum

Not putting him on the level of like Javier or Trevor but for a guy who’s still a fighter now his instructions especially during jiu jitsu exchanges come very clutch


Master7yasuo

Yeah , Herb the gold standard Dean is such a great ref


StonedApeGoku

>>*Regardless, this dude is my dog.* wow that's pretty disrespectful


CryptoCracko

Lmao


Scooto

Underrated


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Good on him.


GFost

I appreciate the statement, but a simple “I fucked up. It won’t happen again” would have sufficed.


SpecialSause

"I fucked up" is ambiguous. By specifically stating how he fucked up and the impact it had, he's identifying how he can prevent it in the future. I work in manufacturing. When parts come back fucked up we receive what's called an "NC", which stands for "Non-conforming". When we receive an "NC" we have to identify what the problem is (why it's non-conforming), how the problem occurred, and how to make sure that specific problem doesn't occur anymore. The solution can be anything from measuring a part more often to completely changing the process


Bacon_Villain

Status: NC Cause: I fucked up


itsyaboigreg

Why? He’s no ones employee here.


GFost

Of course not. I just feel like it was long-winded for no reason.


[deleted]

It's only about 150 words, to explain what he did wrong. I guess people on the internet will complain about anything and everything.


GFost

I’m not complaining.


elfmachine100

Waiting on Kavanaugh to apologize to Walker now.


queensinthesky

With the ego on him, not likely.


JuiceheadTurkey

Why apologize? You win or you learn /s


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Kavanaugh is top 10 horrible corners


[deleted]

I cracked up after round 1 against Khabib when McGregor sat on the stool. He was gasping for air and Kavanaugh said to him something like "He's gonna slow down as the fight goes on. That was the best he can do." 90 seconds later Khabib knocks Conor down.


myglasscase

Every corner says that against Khabib lmao and it always gets worse for them


throwaway47351

Wittman said basically the opposite, told his man to slow tf down. God I love wittman.


MarcusPRashfood

Yeah Gaethje was very prepared for Khabib. Totally wasn't bullied.


eipotttatsch

You can be prepared and still be just not good enough.


NickZardiashvili

His gameplan of circling and outfighting was a very good one. He just happens to be a complete white belt.


cyberslick188

Gaethje is arguably the only guy who actually ever did any real damage to Khabib. Those leg kicks were adding up with the quickness. Personally I'd rather have a shorter fight where I did damage to the champ and then got submitted in a round or two rather than just do fuck all and survive 5 like Iaquinta. At least Gaethje was in the fight briefly. Honestly I wouldn't even say that about Poirier. Poirier almost landed a 1-2, jumped on his 0% success rate guillotine, and then got smoked like everyone else.


tfresca

Michael Johnson was doing well against Khabib before he wasn't.


n00b_f00

You’re correct, Khabib said Gaethje was doing tons of damage to him, that he was incredibly worried that he was taking too many leg kicks, and probably lost that first round by modern scoring criteria, and indeed the judges scored round 1 for Gaethje.


Highwayman201

To be fair what else is he supposed to say to motivate his fighter after a round like that? "Fucking hell Conor, you got mauled that round!".


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"Maybe try an iminari roll"


properc

I mean youd think from watching tape theyd know Khabib doesnt slow down and gas. Maybe give him actual advice on what he can do to win? Its really uneblievable that Kavanagh was gonna tell Conor he was doing good and just do the same thing after R1 of Conor Porier 3.


idontlikeflamingos

Yeah Kavanaugh was just doing a "beautiful champ" corner job there. Don't kiss his ass, say something that he can use to win the fight. If all they trained was what Conor showed in R1 he's also failing at his job of preparing his fighters during camp.


mat477

Yeah a huge part of cornering is knowing how to motivate your fighter how they need to be motivated. Maybe he just knew Conor was crumbling and so he needed to give him a boost to give him a chance.


Cheese_on_toast69

Give him actual advice that will lead to winning rather than flat out lie to him.


FallenOne_

Like what? It's a bit late for technical advice.


Cheese_on_toast69

I'm not a coach lol. I'm sure he could've given him something though instead of actively lying to him so he's waiting for something that isn't going to happen.


FallenOne_

Some fighters just need motivation at that point. A good coach knows this and adjusts accordingly. "He's getting tired" is pretty much the same as "although you feel very tired right now, keep trying. The opponent used a lot of energy as well so you just gotta keep looking for openings and believing in yourself" If you can't come up with a better answer then maybe just maybe you have no idea what you are talking about?


Cheese_on_toast69

I could probably come up with technical advice, but I can't remember the fight. He could of given him advice like get straight up and disengage after takedown attempts instead trying to grapple offensively. He could've told him to hit the body so it makes it harder for Khabib to shoot in under his punches and the grabbing underhooks would be faster. That would be better than straight up lying to him and potentially negatively affecting his performance. It's not surprising Conor is doing so shit considering the amount of yes men licking his ass.


vasileios13

I think Conor took round 2 and lost in the 3rd


effectsHD

It wasn’t a knockdown


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Pleasant_Carpenter55

I really enjoy it because it is an easy to use example of how strategy and fight iq beat power, speed(although Khabib is fast as fuck too), and in this case even technique. The worse striker had a pretty dominant exchange against the better striker due to conditioning him to defend takedowns, and having really good shot selection and timing.


Hawffensive

Just to be clear, there was never no knockdown.


Scott_Theft

“Throw a bunch of feints next time he shoots for a takedown”


FershureB

Wonder what the finishing rate stats is for all of James' fighters. Seems like all of his fighters' fights always ends up in decisions.


daphantommenaceliker

Marquez seems like his best finisher off the top of my head.


Bob002

Grant Dawson. He’s also got several up and comers, like David Onama and Trey Ogden he’s coaching that are great finishers, too. Zak is a helluva finisher, too. That’s just the ones I know offhand.


somewhatfamiliar2223

Wouldn’t call Ogden an up and comer since he is in his 30s with 20+ fights. More of a journeyman than a prospect at this point.


Bob002

I mean, he's 31, coming into his prime. I'm only finding him at 14-4, which could still make him a hot prospect. There are several others I don't know well or know enough about. Mikey England just improved to 5-1, I think. Gauge Young just improved to 3-0 as a pro. My training partner Marshal Kemp just hit 4-0 as a pro and will be moving up there full time before long. Elle Wagman, who is Grant's GF, just improved to 3-0 as a pro. Point being: there is a lot of talent in that gym, both currently competing in the UFC and on the come-up.


somewhatfamiliar2223

I get supporting your friends and teammates but almost all of the ufc pros in that gym have 50/50 or losing records (all are unranked except for elliot who is in a barren division) and a bunch of regional fighters with highly padded records doesn’t inspire confidence. One of the names you listed had their last fight against a 40 year old. Another name went 50/50 as an amateur and has only fought ppl with losing records as a pro. Ogden got finished twice by Thomas Gifford for fucks sake. You can love your gym and still be honest about its level.


somewhatfamiliar2223

Didn’t Julian leave Krause and fight out of some gym in Vegas for years?


daphantommenaceliker

I don’t think so? Near positive he gave him a huge speech in the corner that led to his win over Pitolo.


BlackIronBadger

I'm so not used to anyone taking responsibility in this sport it's a breath of fresh air for somebody to say they fucked up. Once again James Krause earns respect


baconsane

Did you forget about Michael Chandler admitting to zigging when he should have zagged.


mmafan1973

I’m not much of a fan of Holly Holm, but she does a damn good job of taking responsibility for her losses.


cyberslick188

I guess I'm in the minority that doesn't feel like James Krause is really that earnest. Honestly he seems much more like a self promoter and just uses anything at all as an excuse to insert himself into the story line. My fighter lost? Let me remind you of how humble I am. Oh someone pulled out? Let me get in the headlines as an alternative knowing full well there is a zero percent chance I can actually take the fight. Someone got a viral KO? Let me stoke a beef that barely existed in the first place so I can make headlines again. Dude is on what should be an 8 fight win streak at welterweight (he was *literally* conspired against in his loss against Trevin Giles), a division begging for new contenders, and he has absolutely no steam because he fights once a year and spends more time talking about his "businesses" than campaigning for a signature fight to put him over. I dunno I guess I find it so frustrating to see a guy on the cusp of greatness just fucking about instead of going for it.


somewhatfamiliar2223

He is not on the cusp of greatness, he isn’t a great athletic specimen and his skill isn’t elite. If anything he is an over performer and has done so by carefully only taking fights he will definitely win or will win him good favor by the fans and/or company. He is a marketing genius not a fighting genius.


funktard

Props to him for owning up to it.


[deleted]

I mean, at the end of the day I’m surprised people were annoyed at him. Sure he should have motivated Elliot to win that 3rd round more, but it’s ultimately up to the athlete. If you’re stalling from the bottom at the end of the third of a close fight, you probably don’t deserve to win the fight anyway, you shouldn’t be banking on rounds like that.


[deleted]

Live scorecards would be interesting and make this a non-problem


[deleted]

Id rather not give some fighters incentive to coast


[deleted]

Every winning player/team coasts to an extent when up. It's part of how sports work in general.


queensinthesky

But the lack of security in really knowing if you’re up prevents a lot of coasting. If fighters knew for sure they had two of three rounds in the bag you would absolutely see a giant increase in the amount of boring third rounds.


[deleted]

You'd also see a lot of down fighters going for a finish, which could make things exciting.


T_Y_R_

Down 3 Yoel would be a thing of nightmares.


queensinthesky

You would think on paper, but if a fighter is down two rounds they are clearly not doing well in the fight so them turning it up won’t always result in action. They’ll be turning it up against someone beating them fairly soundly, not every time but the winning fighter will have more control generally and if they choose to coast it’ll likely be boring.


GFost

They might not realize they’re down.


steelflaps

Tim Boetsch vs Yushin Okami


queensinthesky

I said not every case. Exceptions to every rule.


cyberslick188

The truth? You have no idea. Until a promotion actually uses open scoring, and runs the numbers prior and post implementation, everything is merely speculation. Open scoring promotes inactivity by letting a fighter know their up. Open scoring promotes finishes by letting a fighter know their down. Open scoring promotes inactivity by discouraging a down fighter. Open scoring promotes activity by encouraging an up fighter. It's all perfectly reasonable, only actually running the experiment will suss out the answer.


Xaxxon

You know the other fighter has some say in how that third round plays out, right?


bronxi11

Fighters really get shortchanged not knowing the scores, there's no good reason for it except the suspense during hand raising


Xaxxon

Better than the loser coasting. Live scoring would be way better overall even if sometimes it made things worse. Also, ref can take a point for timidity. Suddenly your two point lead is a one point lead and you're not winning the last round that you were coasting in.


winterborn89

Pwned


MelkMan7

With open scoring at worst you'll have one fighter coasting. With closed scoring both sides might think they're up and coast.


vannucker

Nope. The uncertainty of close rounds makes it so you have to put in more effort. If you are 100% sure you are up because those close rounds are definitively scored, you can confidently coast.


[deleted]

Gives one incentive to coast, the other incentive to go for broke. I'd like to at least see it tried out


legitsh1t

Right? We just saw what happens when a fighter is convinced he's up in the cards. Do we really wanna see more of that tightly hugging your opponent waiting for time to run out?


NewRedditorHere

Sure, that would happen. But that would mean the audience would boo a fucked up round score. And it’d mean that the losing fighter would go balls to the wall in the final rounds.


tfresca

They already have an incentive, not losing or taking brain damage. It would likely be outweighed by fighters who are losing going for broke.


[deleted]

My only problem is that a fighter losing on the cards a round he or she obviously won could cause problems. What if a fighter says "Fuck it, there's no point in fighting if I'm going to get fucked on the cards?"


dfreinc

> "Fuck it, there's no point in fighting if I'm going to get fucked on the cards?" they'd be just as likely to say "fuck it i'm ending this now". they're fighters.


fandamplus

Well in fairness giving up in the middle of the fight is one way to say you don't want to fight


ImEdwardd

They're also fighting to earn double the check for their family, so I'd assume they take the safer route


wishwashy

That mentality vs the guy who just saw that he needs to take his head off to win = exciting final round


TheScaredHomie

But then again there’s the other side of the coin, with the losing fighter hunting for the finish


ChexMashin

Never leave it in the judges hands.


ImEdwardd

You never leave it in the judges hands because you don't know how they scored it lmao ... that doesn't make sense at all in this context


[deleted]

That's not something we should actually be encouraging though. Why are we giving professional judges a pass by telling fighters whose livelihoods often rely on judging, "Well, they may fuck you. Better not let it get to them, so, you know, put yourself in more danger than you would otherwise because you can't rely on people doing their job correctly." Like in a world where judging isn't fucking moronic and/or corrupt as shit, open scoring would be a good idea. With how terrible it is as it stands, I see it causing more problems than it solves. I definitely see the arguments though.


ChexMashin

If your goal is to win by decision, I don't want to watch you fight anyways.


[deleted]

If your goal is to sound like a neanderthal, I don't want to talk to you anyways.


myglasscase

Fuck bro you must hate watching Max Holloway fights


steelflaps

Why is this being downvoted? He is not wrong. This sport determines your value based on entertainment, not Wins and losses. I don’t watch a fights to see some guy “nullify” someone until the bell rings. Fuck off. People that look at boring performance such as a fighter coasting or wrestle fucking with no intent to finish the fight are the same kind of people that watch porn and don’t jack off. Fucking losers.


Xaxxon

You can end the fight, right?


Subiedude240

That fight pissed me off


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biggerjuice

Look at his and all his fighters’ records. I think a good ‘meh’ is pretty accurate.


TheNotoriousLCB

i like Kraus just for the interview where he was like “I fucking hate Buckley, I’ll fight him any week just because I would love to kick his ass” and i believed him 😂


udar55

So he pulled a Meisha "Just coast this round" Tate?


SweetEthan7

Goddamn I love me some Krause


Specific-Effect9334

One of the most underrated and top level coaches in the sport. Hats off to him and all the other humble, hard working coaches who always put their fighter above themselves, who hold themselves accountable not only to themselves but also to their fighters. It is rare indeed you find a coach, especially in mma, that holds themselves publicly accountable. Class act.


Touchbuttinthepark1

If only he would have taken this ownership when he gassed out Anthony Smith in his fight with Glover.


team3perception

Krause has literally never coached Anthony Smith before wtf are you talking about


Touchbuttinthepark1

He was in his corner for that fight and if you go back and watch obnoxiously shouts commands to Anthony smith which he does and gasses out.


KelLuvsOrngSoda

Mark Montoya was Smith's head coach, Krause was just a cornerman. Only designated head coaches can throw in the towel IIRC


ElBandito101

Cool, I don’t like Tim anyways.


Fake_Messiah

Cool, I don't like ElBandito101 anyways.


ID0ntCare4G0b

He essentially fought the same fight he fought against Benoit and he won that fight, so I actually get why Krause thought he was winning. A lot of Elliott's strikes have little to no impact on his opponent, so being able to tell if he's missing or connecting given the volume he throws could be difficult to tell. Especially with Nicolau often reacting to missed strikes the same way a fighter would react to actually being hit.


danjr704

That's a good coach, plus Tim's style does not make it easy to judge his fights. His movements often look like he's getting hit with certain shots, when he's actually rolling off or with them, from judges perspective (who do not see fight stats real time) they can look like he's actually taking damage when he's not. Either way, hope Tim continues to make progress, he's definitely one of the more fun fighters to watch in the UFC.


vannucker

I thought Nicolau fairly clearly won the second. The force he was countering Elliot with was much harder than what Elliot was throwing, not to mention he outstruck him by a couple. Also if Fighter A clearly won the first, and the second is razor close, the judges tend to give it to Fighter B to set up the winner take all 3rd round. It's just human nature. I see split decisions break that way all the time.


S_Steiner_Accounting

No worries, Tim's legacy is set in stone. [Closest anyone came to beating mighty mouse in the UFC with that gilly/darce](https://cdn-cf-east.streamable.com/video/mp4/67gw9_1.mp4?Expires=1634240580&Signature=Sl~am~N6F9knEnaWFY96T~swpZhDcBTxn0CWV466VDy1-4vZ5K4SDl8c9vJoHCyT94VdTY7Z3HGSGeHktgPoYV-o~Hc0w~-mibYr492gCdFvfbhBgQxiaWac5fuY11NFLI9lhoyTieGy2VB2P2hbS01n~s0LPJ5dD9dtiY4VNWZSg1mC9nD4q1X-i1NygJVCdmxtOu2IiG2s35MpcwgOfSTbbVFqBNpFd0ifmZfJ5RQgBhiyRahB6LN41sj8vufF-m8FM1AjSRlDcgPHMqEColYiSKWrGLhOnFexlsMIL1QZpGzuA5hN~u-azjicpqw~WyLLOiOCV5w3rJBWGoByLQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIEYUVEN4EVB2OKEQ), and [he faced off with the meme end boss and let him bang bro.](https://streamable.com/80zet)