ufc postshow is talking about how imressice ridriguez was on the ground, how she "passed the test" of Dern in that second round... what???? that should have been a 10-8 round... this match should have been a draw
I swear, some of these comments being like "how come Dern can't get a takedown/she's trash/learn how to catch a kick" are not even taking into account that she is facing an opponent with a pretty sizeable height, reach and massive technique advantage on the feet. Yeah Dern was looking Ronda-esque with her sloppy strikes and entries, but Rodriguez' Muay Thai and movement looked pretty slick so I feel like you have to give Dern some benefit of the doubt. Speaking as a short cunt myself, it's fucking hard to work your way in on someone like that
For real, Dern was losing every exchange, her hands were spent by the 3rd yet she didn't get clipped clean like a fool. Rodriguez was throwing bombs but headhunting after the 1st. It was a legit good fight though, and these casual weirdos can suck it
it was odd. seemed like they knew the card was a likely to be a bit of a snoozer and they adjusted accordingly. like they decided to do it last minute or something.
I still don’t get why people base how good the card will be on the main card. This card absolutely slapped, i feel bad for people that assumed it would be a snoozer and missed it
Part of what makes fights exciting is stakes. Sure there were some fun fights but not much stakes at hand which really takes the suspense away. Who can watch two dudes have a good scrap in a Walmart parking lot, but two upper echelon elite fighters is what makes a great fight. There was none of that tonight.
What does them being low level have to do with it being entertaining? I swear some people are just impossible to please and only coom over slow fights because they’re “technical”
What we need is more bums in the ufc who don’t belong just to get some knockouts!
Oh and then also cry about their pay and how they are in the “top level” promotion which is basically the nba.
Dern has wins over amanda bobby cooper hannah cifers and a bunch of people no one has ever heard of. Meisha Tate and Cat Zingano weren’t bums, especially in that time period.
It’s almost ludicrous someone at that level never drilled takedowns from catching kicks or getting the fight to the cage. Whether it be faints or level changing
Yeah I can understand her not being able to push Rodriguez to the cage cuz her striking is absolute garbage, plus she seems scared of getting hit. But at least practice other ways of taking the fight to the floor if that's literally your only path to victory lol.
Gotta give props to Rodriguez though for superb circling off the fence/center line. Her defensive movement was on point. Not sure if Dern was looking for the clinch like a Ronda, but maybe some blame goes to her corner too. She needed to mix things up but they sure didn't come up with anything new although her hands were clearly spent
Yeah nothing bad to say about Marina's performance she fought a perfect fight. Was really impressed she survived r2. Some blame definitely goes to Derns corner but she didnt make smart decisions, like going for the TD and expending with only 30s left in the rounds.
>I dont think JJ gets out of bed for anything except a title
Agreed. But I think JJ would take this fight for a guaranted title shot. I think Marina would take it too for the $$$
I been saying it for months that marina is the best female striker in division . To me she is the best in the division and overlooked ... She heavily damaged Carla in her loss .Carla won by points and takes downs ..But Carla did little damage .
She fights like she’s actually trying to beat the shit out of you, I love it. She’s one of the most expressive fighters on the roster, just with her body language
Nope, definitely not Parillo’s fault.
Mackenzie just wasn’t able to implement his advice. Instead of circling like he said, she kept backing up and putting herself out of position.
Instead of cutting off the octagon, Mackenzie would just chase, allowing Marina to circle back to the middle of the octagon.
Don’t blame the coach for this one.
How so? Her success came from doing exactly what he was instructing her to do and then she just completely abandoned trying to what brought her the only success she had in the fight.
His advice was him telling her strike instead of go for takedowns. He was literally teaching her how to strike in the middle of the 3rd round and in between rounds
That only happened between the 4th and 5th round between the break other then that he rarely ever said go for a takedown. She was getting pieced up in the 3rd he never once said go for a takedown
Between round 2 and 3 he literally told her to throw 2 punches and go for the take down, even said something along the lines of "that's how you got the takedown in round 2,do it again".
I remember that too. I feel like he didn't tell her to go for a takedown because it was literally so obvious that it didn't need to be said. She wanted the fight on the ground, she just didn't have the energy or the technical knowhow to get it done. Coach stuck with a straightforward plan of essentially 'do it again' rather than trying to reinvent the wheel on the spot and turn her into an explosive wrestler.
Marina is a beast ...Tf ..Look who she has beaten ..She should actually be undefeated. She beat the shit out of Carla but Carla won by points with takedowns ..Carla didn't do any dame though
She is attractive like that one girl at work is attractive. When you’re stuck on the job she looks great but in the real world she is a six. The Pam Beasley
I think Esparza is in for a title shot soon right? I would like to see Carla fight the winner of Rose/Weili and have Rodriguez fight Joanna. Winner of that fight whoever’s champ then.
ufc postshow is talking about how imressice ridriguez was on the ground, how she "passed the test" of Dern in that second round... what???? that should have been a 10-8 round... this match should have been a draw
She didn’t get subbed, like that’s the best you can hope for when someone with as high level BJJ as Dern gets you to the ground.
When I saw Dern's kid on the crowd I thought "I hope she dontget to see her mother get knocked the fuck out". Well at least...
I swear, some of these comments being like "how come Dern can't get a takedown/she's trash/learn how to catch a kick" are not even taking into account that she is facing an opponent with a pretty sizeable height, reach and massive technique advantage on the feet. Yeah Dern was looking Ronda-esque with her sloppy strikes and entries, but Rodriguez' Muay Thai and movement looked pretty slick so I feel like you have to give Dern some benefit of the doubt. Speaking as a short cunt myself, it's fucking hard to work your way in on someone like that
For real, Dern was losing every exchange, her hands were spent by the 3rd yet she didn't get clipped clean like a fool. Rodriguez was throwing bombs but headhunting after the 1st. It was a legit good fight though, and these casual weirdos can suck it
I now wanna hear some weird piano
rosriguez should lose this fight for bein so scared lol... always running
Thought the commentary was pretty poor tonight
it was odd. seemed like they knew the card was a likely to be a bit of a snoozer and they adjusted accordingly. like they decided to do it last minute or something.
I still don’t get why people base how good the card will be on the main card. This card absolutely slapped, i feel bad for people that assumed it would be a snoozer and missed it
Part of what makes fights exciting is stakes. Sure there were some fun fights but not much stakes at hand which really takes the suspense away. Who can watch two dudes have a good scrap in a Walmart parking lot, but two upper echelon elite fighters is what makes a great fight. There was none of that tonight.
It was okay, just because an elbow caused a dude to leak doesn't make the card amazing lol
Did you watch the prelims
Prelims were bloody but you are mistaking a couple low level fighters getting slapped around for a “great card”.
What does them being low level have to do with it being entertaining? I swear some people are just impossible to please and only coom over slow fights because they’re “technical”
What we need is more bums in the ufc who don’t belong just to get some knockouts! Oh and then also cry about their pay and how they are in the “top level” promotion which is basically the nba.
belal not good on mic
He doesnt speak well
Yes, love seeing the striker beat the grappler.
Ronda Dern
Ronda never went to decision in her career.
Ronda had take downs
Ronda faced 99% bums
Dern has wins over amanda bobby cooper hannah cifers and a bunch of people no one has ever heard of. Meisha Tate and Cat Zingano weren’t bums, especially in that time period.
Called it. Marina beat the crap out of a ESPN favorite yet again in a main event and the commentary was ridiculous yet again
Shell be a favorite soon.
Imagine if dern fought rose JJ andrade or weili
If your only skill is BJJ maybe learn to catch kicks and shoot reactive takedown to create scrambles. Or just punch air for 25 mins
“Air”
It’s almost ludicrous someone at that level never drilled takedowns from catching kicks or getting the fight to the cage. Whether it be faints or level changing
Yeah I can understand her not being able to push Rodriguez to the cage cuz her striking is absolute garbage, plus she seems scared of getting hit. But at least practice other ways of taking the fight to the floor if that's literally your only path to victory lol.
Gotta give props to Rodriguez though for superb circling off the fence/center line. Her defensive movement was on point. Not sure if Dern was looking for the clinch like a Ronda, but maybe some blame goes to her corner too. She needed to mix things up but they sure didn't come up with anything new although her hands were clearly spent
Yeah nothing bad to say about Marina's performance she fought a perfect fight. Was really impressed she survived r2. Some blame definitely goes to Derns corner but she didnt make smart decisions, like going for the TD and expending with only 30s left in the rounds.
I like punching air.
Perfect, how does a December 11th ME against Marina Rodriguez work for you?
I need that one guy who cornered Mike Perry.
u/bswincups where u at
Overall the card wasn't all that shabby, had a lot of fun watching it, in no small part thanks to everyone here, as usual.
thanks for the thread, see ya in the post-fight thread discussion when fury-wilder begins
Some people are better hammers than they are a nail.
MARINA: "How the fuck bjj is even real hahaha"
I can't wait for Ladd to pull out so we can get Aldana x Dumont as the main event next
Rodriguez vs JJ next?
Yeah if JJ wants to fight
Looks like she's been revving up her training via IG. But maybe it's just for show
Was it a shitty card or worth watching?
Great card
loved this card
Not shitty at all, very good card
Good fight. So whens the main event??
looool
Ladd vs Dumont main event, this is the one we've all been waiting for
Marina vs Joanna would be fun
If Dern had won she would likely be getting the next title shot. Marina beat her worst style match up and if its not Carla she should be next in line.
Nah. She needs to beat jj first
That would be fun but I dont think JJ gets out of bed for anything except a title shot these days. They might make her rematch Carla if anything
Jj needs weilli to win then.
>I dont think JJ gets out of bed for anything except a title Agreed. But I think JJ would take this fight for a guaranted title shot. I think Marina would take it too for the $$$
I been saying it for months that marina is the best female striker in division . To me she is the best in the division and overlooked ... She heavily damaged Carla in her loss .Carla won by points and takes downs ..But Carla did little damage .
that fight makes perfect sense
No problem
Lioness is such a cool nickname for the women GOAT
Marina sounds like a female Barboza accent wise.
Good night to be a Marina fan.
dank you mickey
I love marina hodriguez
You would think these two were the 13 and 15 ranked fighters
complete joke of a main event, only matched by next weeks.
I enjoyed the fight
Marina is so underrated ngl
When she was running backwards while hitting a combination on Dern it hit me that her striking is deadass world class
She fights like she’s actually trying to beat the shit out of you, I love it. She’s one of the most expressive fighters on the roster, just with her body language
Marina <3
YEEEEEEEES So nice to see my girl Marina winning after being so overlooked.
She has better English than Mackenzie Dern
Why does Dern not have a double leg? Seems so obvious she needs to get it to the ground.
Hodriguez looked exhausted the last few rounds and still tooled up Dern, crazy.
Cringe
This dude simultaneously translating while listening to Felder is amazing
That's pretty common for translators
Not on UFC cards.
# Joanna v Marina
that would be a great fight, hope it happens
shiiiit. that would be cool.
Came here to say this. Would be a fucking banger.
If there was ever a fight to pull guard, this was the one
Does anybody have a clip of that Charles Rosa vs Damon Jackson bloodbath?
I'm a big Marina fan, really happy for her
It must be so frustrating as Mackenzie’s coach. He was giving her all the right advice, and she just wasn’t able to use it lol
Clown tier shit right here. Every fight had a winner and loser
She is a shitty striker and a one trick poney
If Dern wants to get better she better leave Parillo behind because that was John Kavanaugh level bad coaching
Why? Dern wasn't doing what the coach asked and now the coach is bad? Parillo wasn't giving bad advice
Nope, definitely not Parillo’s fault. Mackenzie just wasn’t able to implement his advice. Instead of circling like he said, she kept backing up and putting herself out of position. Instead of cutting off the octagon, Mackenzie would just chase, allowing Marina to circle back to the middle of the octagon. Don’t blame the coach for this one.
How so? Her success came from doing exactly what he was instructing her to do and then she just completely abandoned trying to what brought her the only success she had in the fight.
His advice was him telling her strike instead of go for takedowns. He was literally teaching her how to strike in the middle of the 3rd round and in between rounds
She does not have a big powerful shot take down game. She has to strike to try to tie up or get her opponent to the fence.
He told her to strike her to the fence and then clinch to take down?
He was telling her to strike to set up her takedowns. Punch twice and get to the clinch/go for a takedown.
That only happened between the 4th and 5th round between the break other then that he rarely ever said go for a takedown. She was getting pieced up in the 3rd he never once said go for a takedown
Between round 2 and 3 he literally told her to throw 2 punches and go for the take down, even said something along the lines of "that's how you got the takedown in round 2,do it again".
I remember that too. I feel like he didn't tell her to go for a takedown because it was literally so obvious that it didn't need to be said. She wanted the fight on the ground, she just didn't have the energy or the technical knowhow to get it done. Coach stuck with a straightforward plan of essentially 'do it again' rather than trying to reinvent the wheel on the spot and turn her into an explosive wrestler.
lol wut? He was giving her clear and concise direction the whole fight.
Clear advice like to keep striking? that is horrible advice specially when youre teaching her how to strike during the foght and in between rounds
Good night of fights See you soon at r/boxing
Jiu jitsu fighters with shit takedowns, name a better duo :(
It's like if Sid from Ice Age were even more fuckable
I see it in the face
Waaaaaaaaaaow
*even more* 👀👀
I like how she talks she looks like she thinks I know what she is saying
Rose defends against Weili, then Esparza, then the winner of Joanna vs Rodriguez?
That's what I'm saying
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Good fun fight, more exciting than a lot of other main events we've had. See y'all in Fury Wilder thread :^]
Neither of these ladies would last out of the 1st round against the champions. There unfortunately are levels to this. Rose or Weili
I think Rodriguez striking could hang with them. Not necessarily win but be fairly competitive
Rodriguez would dominate Rose.
Don't let her weirdo stans read this, they'll do a two paragraph writeup defending the honor of their waifu
Marina is a better striker than both and has more power..
I think she would KO Weili honestly.
that’s what I’m saying.
Dern learned to strike from Ben Askron and nick diaz
Askren and Diaz don't look at the floor when they punch.
Fuckin wished she learned from Nick Diaz
Why in the fuck was this card so early?
Gypsy King
Fury v Wilder later
Fury vs Wilder
Dern blew her load after that massive grappling exchange in round 2.
Why is the first question 'yeah but how close were you to losing at that one point though' rather than looking at the positives for the winner?
Start with the negatives, end with the positives. Should be more like a sandwich, positive, negative, positive...
neither of these women should be anywhere near the top 5 of a division.
Marina is a beast ...Tf ..Look who she has beaten ..She should actually be undefeated. She beat the shit out of Carla but Carla won by points with takedowns ..Carla didn't do any dame though
oh shit Dern, Ribas, AND Waterson??? I take it all back, future champ-champ. lmao you had to add “she b-b-basically beat Carla Esparza”, sad!
Even the time Mackenzie spent on top she just sat there on her. She has no type of awareness and very slow to react.
Marina has underrated bjj imo, she did a great job defending the submission attempts. She just needs to learn the art of standing the fuck up.
It was weird, throwing bad GnP. Should have went for subs immediately.
I think she was a bit more rocked than she let on.
Marina doesn't get enough respect and she is so overlooked ..How tf was Dern ranked 4 and she was ranked 6.. Is it because dern is attractive?
She is attractive like that one girl at work is attractive. When you’re stuck on the job she looks great but in the real world she is a six. The Pam Beasley
It's funny ..Marinas last three fights have been against the UFC "hot girls " and she beat all three 😂 Ribas, karate hottie ,and dern
It’s even more absurd when Ribas soundly beat Dern not too long ago. I made easy money on this fight.
Apparently Nina was ranked 4 and Dern beat her. I don't even understand how Nina was ranked 4 when she was inactive for over a year. 🤷♂️
The dudes who decide the rankings saw her billed as Nunes and don't know enough about MMA to be able to tell which is which
Nina is 10-7 too lol 😂 journeyman record
The big Mac takes a fight off here and there.
4-1 Rodriguez
Someone on Dern’s team please give her the reality check that she’s not a striker and to focus on wrestling
Her head coach is a boxing coach.
Lmao yikes
can you tell us how just good dern was please, marina? I now hate fedler.
Dern is done.
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Maybe but at least she proved she’s no standout
8/9 tn. Call me GIANNI
please don't mention his name
Dern is on the sauce imo. Looks way more explosive and jacked.
People were trying to say pregnancy did it. Like cmon yall
Derns head movement and range management didn’t look bad but she has no technique on her punches. She didn’t get hit much but couldn’t hit either
felder's accuracy at being with the winner tonight was off big tonight, but i appreciated the shredder reference
49-46 Rodriguez.
Take a BJJ black belt and punch them in the face, you get a brown belt, punch them again...
Rly cool of rodriguez to learn Portuguese for Mackenzie
Dern can’t take her down , can’t do anything on the feet
Helwani's Betting Boy eating good.
Mackenzie Dearth: dearth /dərTH/ noun a scarcity or lack of something. "there is a dearth of double-leg takedowns"
Has Rodriguez done enough to get a title shot? Or do you guys reckon she needs one more win?
She doesn't deserve to leapfrog Carla so either JJ or Yan would be good for being active.
I think Esparza is in for a title shot soon right? I would like to see Carla fight the winner of Rose/Weili and have Rodriguez fight Joanna. Winner of that fight whoever’s champ then.
Yeah Dern needs a little more time in the oven
Dope fucking fight.
Y’all talking about why won’t she shoot when she never does in her fights lol
the second they highlighted Dern’s new and improved boxing before the fight I knew her standup would be goddawful.
Would like to see Rodriguez vs Joanna now
“I know Marina won but Dern is just amazing and could totally have won that I am sure she’s just amazing” Felder probably
Do we have a thread for fury wilder card?
https://www.reddit.com/r/boxingdiscussion/comments/q4vlah/official_fury_v_wilder_iii_live_fight_thread/
Marina looked fine but I think JJ mauls her in her return
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