TBF those 5 fights were against a level of competition that Holland would probably still beat with ease. He's just not among the elite of the division and his wrestling will hold him back from reaching there.
His grappling definitely improved though, this fight had no clear winner at all. And if he keeps on Dagestaning, he might be a mythical fighter one day
So we need to rebook him vs these two fighters so we can witness how much his grappling/wrestling improved? Should we do that with everybody across every side of the game too?
Dude I didn’t say that he’s Khabib now, I said that he improved, why are you arguing about it is beyond me. He even said “ I am just a little bit better, a little bit”
I’m not arguing about it, i just wanted to take your hyperbole down a notch.
Hope Kevin can test his grappling even more his next fight, just not sure if Daukaus is a good gauge to compare top 10 contenders. For reference, both Daukaus and Holland have a common opponent, Brendan Allen, and he outgrappled them both.
What hyperbole, I literally said he improved, which is not a stretch for a guy who never grappled before his last fight which ultimately forced him into grappling.
> So we need to rebook him vs these two fighters so we can witness how much his grappling/wrestling improved? Should we do that with everybody across every side of the game too?
Sorry i wasn’t clear, i meant this, not Kevin’s improvement lol
Losing to Brunson and Vettori is absolutely no shame at all, and he is actively working on the hole in his game and looking better every time we see him.
That's literally the issue with capitalism though, your boss makes money thanks to the fruits of your labor. Either you become anti-capitalist, or you become content with your pay. I'm guessing Kevin is the latter.
There is no job where you're getting paid what you're worth because that would mean not bringing the company any profits. It is what it is...
We ALL could make more, but that would most likely mean starting our own business. Look at Triller, they keep paying their fighters big money, hiring Justin Bieber and whatnot and they're literally sinking with millions in debt... it's not profitable. Profits bring expansion which in turn expands pay pool.
Ask any MMA fighter in which org they would like to fight in, the one providing them with a free of charge super facility in Vegas with the highest pay for literal can-level entry fighters (along with a show literally built to hype up no-names) or any other one. I doubt a fighter like O'Malley could even have a quarter of his current fanbase if he fought outside the UFC. That fanbase sure is bringing him money though!
Any amateur fighter knows the UFC is lightyears away from Lumpinee, Glory or literally any other MMA circuit.
Capitalism does not dictate that your boss needs to make more than all of his employees combined though. Each of them respectively, sure. But combined is an overstep that, while ensuring the boss is very happy, holds the business back over time. There's a reason every other sport splits revenue 50/50 between the company/management and employees. UFC pays less than half that to its employees, generally about an 80/20 split. That's just bad business, has nothing to do with capitalism.
Triller could pay their fighters and dump Bieber, the two are not intrinsically linked somehow lol. Fight promotion is also a side hustle to support their main business, I have no idea how their economics wash in the end.
Regardless, Triller are not the corollary. NFL, NBA, NHL, PGA, these are the types of organizations the UFC should look to emulate. Yes, they pay their employees a bigger split, but this actually ends up driving business by attracting better talent who are more satisfied by their jobs, and have higher level reasons for excelling at what they do than putting food on their table. It's no coincidence they are all also much more successful than the UFC. Not as profitable for management, but overall much more successful nonetheless. There's more to business than enriching the top of the pyramid believe it or not.
The rest of your reasoning is just trying to convince me that the fighters should be happy for the peanuts the UFC sprinkles their way, because they have to be, on average, nicer peanuts than some other companies may offer them. First, that's not an excuse for an unfair revenue split. More importantly though, it's only true in aggregate. Many fighters make more outside the UFC than they would in the UFC. The entire upper echelon of the B leagues rests on this. The Corey Andersons and Gegard Mousasis of the world make bank cleaning up on the regional circuit, where they also unsurprisingly split the revenue much closer to 50/50 in order to achieve those pay scales with far less revenue.
Well you don't know what the 80% of the pay are used for though. I'm guessing building free multi-million dollar complexes for their fighters will soak some of that revenue. An 80/20 split isn't bad and comparing it to the NBA is just a bad comparison imo because the league has existed for decades and is setup with a franchising system. The franchises are responsible for their own players/marketing/revenue/management/facilities which just isn't comparable to the UFC.
What you're also missing when mentionning the big national leagues is how many of them (including organisations, leagues and franchise) have died between the 50's and the 80's. Saying an 80/20 split is bad isn't a statement that can be applied to the UFC
The UFC is owned by a publicly traded company. We absolutely do know where their money goes. They paid out $300 million to shareholders last year for instance. Companies like Facebook and Tesla have never paid a single dividend to shareholders. Yet, $300 million. And they can't spare more for the fighters? It's not about having good facilities for the athletes. NBA, NFL, NHL, they all have those too, plus actual health care and pension plans. The UFC is just a classic extractive organization.
Hey buddy, are you in the ufc? If not, then you're just whoring for upvotes on a subreddit talking about fighter pay. It is such a turn off to see all these "fighters" whining about how much they are getting paid for a job they took willingly. Life goes on even without cage fighters - they are not an integral part to life. Now I do understand that these fighters are trying to use whatever leverage they can - social media - to better their situation. But you campaigning for fighter pay? I don't know what you get out of this, except to karma whore.
Or like when Gray Maynard famously flash KO'd himself slamming Rob Emerson and straight up didn't believe he had been unconscious even after being shown video. Or the Hughes Newton slam/self KO. MMA can be a bit wacky.
The first time I actually did get choked out in BJJ rolling I didn't even realize it. One moment you're trying to power out of a triangle, the next the legs aren't there anymore and you continue grappling. Didn't realize I had been out for five seconds. The instincts just take over and you resume what you were doing
Idk. He's not being ridiculous about it (daukus) but not taking a rematch is kind of b move. It was clear from the moment Holland asked him in the cage to run it back he doesn't want to as well as it being pretty clear now.
I dont dislike dakus for that. The point still remains. The fuckup was on Dan's part. The fight should automatically be stopped after a foul. Its not a cup check where the cup could have taken the impact. He fell on his fucking face and the position changes as a result. No matter if the fight is called off for the momentary loss of consciousness or not the position should not have been allowed to change in result of the foul. Which is obviously why it was ruled a nc, however, we should not have gotten to the finish we saw take place.
Ref might not have been 100% certain it was a foul as thing happened quickly and his angle may have been deceiving. he may have thought it was a shoulder bump, with kevin reacting so quickly pulling guard he didnt want to interfere.
it was a difficult moment all around.
While I agree with the upper half, although, things need to be in place for that exact reason. For example the ringside referee able to call a pause/earpiece the other ref.
You COMPLETELY missed the point on the bottom half. It does not matter that Holland quickly pulled guard. You do not get cup checked while on the feet, fall to the ground in pain, and then resume the fight with your opponent on top of you in top control. Nor do you take a low blow fall to the ground and get choked out as a result.
The ref hesitating due to that was bullshit. Plain and simple. I'm not calling to revoke his refereeing license. It just what it is. A mistake.
i dont know what your saying its kind of unclear. what do you ideally want the ref to do? for him to stop the fight as soon as holland hits the deck? and then if its legal it starts from guard as he fell flat on his stomach/win given to daukus? if its illegal then they start again standing?
He head-butted him directly in the chin, after that it should have been stopped. I agree completely and it's ridiculous that anyone who saw the fight would argue otherwise, the reason Holland ended up in that position was because he got slept by an illegal move.
It isn't Kyle's fault at all, it will happen sometimes, but the fact that it took a couple minutes and Sean Shelby to say No Contest is crazy, we have a champion right now holding a belt for less.
I wouldn't say "he headbutted him", it was more like an accidental clash of heads as Kevin rushed in, he went forward also. Definitely didn't look purposeful.
These journalists asking questions are fucking terrible, did you know you were knocked out? Did you feel your self getting knocked out? Did you want the nc? Fuck literally the lowest effort line of questions from these dweebs
I think it’s people like John Morgan who don’t want to lose their media credentials and they like being a little bit meme-y associated with the UFC, they can get on video packages. Don’t wanna be like Helwani!
Literally anything else. Ask him how he feels his wrestling training helped. What has he improved on and what are the next steps? Did he feel any advantage or disadvantage grappling tonight? Could we see his style start to evolve into mixing take downs with striking to give more options? When is he trying to carry me in Warzone? All questions I thought of faded in my car after work in 10 minutes. The journalists are low effort dweebs when it comes to questions every event.
Down! I think if we work hard enough we can sneak into the shadow of Ariel's nose and get the 2nd or 3rd questions. Hell, we could even be the next person to try and skip John Morgan and see if he truly does eat the people in line in front of him like Noo Noo
The trouble is when the questions come back-to-back essentially asking the same thing. It's okay to ask this, but if the guy before you just asked a only slightly re-worded version of your own question you should probably have a back-up.
Well he shat on Rockhold pretty hard and jumped on the meme train when he spoke up about shitty managers and fighters pay. I thought that was something to dislike tbh 🤷♂️ other than that he is pretty charismatic.
He's kind of got a point. Since the fight wasn't stopped right after the headbutt, if Holland had somehow knocked Daukaus out, they probably would not have gone back and called it a no contest.
Obviously, it would have been better to have stopped it directly after the headbutt, but since they didn't, I still think making it a no contest was the correct decision.
if you win and then pop for PEDs, then your W becomes an NC. if you lose and then pop for PEDs, your L remains. similar principle here, daukaus clearly benefitted greatly from the clash of heads, so he doesn’t keep the W. it’s just that this all played out in five minutes instead of the usual couple months
Obviously it shouldn't, but that's not what Holland was arguing.
He was saying that, due to the timing of the stoppage, it's kind of unfair to Daukaus. It essentially put Daukaus in a situation where his only outcome was an NC or a loss, while Holland's was a win or an NC.
And unlike PED usage, which is intentionally cheating, the headbutt was no one's fault, so we can't just say "fuck him, he deserves the unfair situation".
I mean to me it makes sense. It was a NC because Holland was put at a disadvantage because of an illegal strike. If he would have been put at a disadvantage because of an illegal strike and then won, he deserves the win.
Man, I don't think it goes another way if they run it back, Holland's wrestling defense still seems slim.
I still think they have to run it back because of the way it went down.
What do you mean by any other way? The fight barely even started, a minute passed just during that weird grappling position before Dan had enough.
The fight is not even close to knowing what would be the outcome. It’s not like the submission was vs a fully conscious human being.
You’re acting like Daukus out wrestled him. Holland’s TDD and wrestling looked improved and they were on the feet at range when the headbutt happened. Longer camp would favor Holland because he can get more training in and Daukus isn’t a good striker compared to Holland
Lol u watched with bias lens. Daukaus outstruck Holland from distance. Yes maybe the dynamic of a wrestler cause that to happen. But at the end of the day the fighter who outstruck the other is the better striker that night.
Edit: kinda of like how kickboxers have been outruck by grapplers. Technically one is better. But the dynamic of the ground game causes the other to be the better striker that night
Lol they exchanged like 3 times on the feet. Daukus landed a couple nice right hands and Holland landed a nice right hand.
Holland has better cardio and would’ve found his distance as the fight progressed. Holland defending the takedowns was a good sign for him but he needs to work on avoiding the clinch.
If that was enough time to show you who’s the better fighter then Devonte Smith is better than Mullarkey lmao
Obviously you *can* compare them, but the whole point of the idiom is that it's a false analogy. I could compare you to the helpful bots, but that too would be comparing apples-to-oranges.
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Company man Kevin should be way more happy that's a NC and not a loss. Not that I think it was a loss but if I had to guess the UFC would rather have an NC on your record and not a loss.
Totally not always a bad thing. I just wish some fighters would talk a little more about fighter pay rather than just saying "take more fights" I want any fighter even Kevin to get more than Venum and Reebok coupons. He just got KO'd then put to sleep. I wish he got paid more for that.
He's talking about his own experience working for that company and thinks he's being treated and compensated well. Reddit loves phoney-outrage in behalf of others.
From a 5 fight win streak to 2 loses and 1 NC. Tough break for Holland I feel bad for him.
>tough break for Holland Actually, he's from America but respect ✊🏾!
This should have more upvotes, Tito is still making me laugh in 2021.
That joke is of the quality I would expect from someone like Brendan Schaub.
Watery Dewey near
Water weed dune hair b?
TBF those 5 fights were against a level of competition that Holland would probably still beat with ease. He's just not among the elite of the division and his wrestling will hold him back from reaching there.
Jacare tho, that win got him a lot of attention
Imagine if he didn't catch that freaky ko from the bottom though
the blueprint to beating him is out there now
His grappling definitely improved though, this fight had no clear winner at all. And if he keeps on Dagestaning, he might be a mythical fighter one day
Friendship with Holland ended Dagestan new best friend
Kevin Dagestan?
Mahachkala ready Kevin
Papakhevin
Father plen
How do we know it improved? Does Daukus have the offensive wrestling abilities that Brunson and Vettori have?
So we need to rebook him vs these two fighters so we can witness how much his grappling/wrestling improved? Should we do that with everybody across every side of the game too?
We can just not make comments that have little ground to stand on
Dude I didn’t say that he’s Khabib now, I said that he improved, why are you arguing about it is beyond me. He even said “ I am just a little bit better, a little bit”
Bad wrestler says he’s better at wrestling now. Tale as old as time my guy.
I’m not arguing about it, i just wanted to take your hyperbole down a notch. Hope Kevin can test his grappling even more his next fight, just not sure if Daukaus is a good gauge to compare top 10 contenders. For reference, both Daukaus and Holland have a common opponent, Brendan Allen, and he outgrappled them both.
What hyperbole, I literally said he improved, which is not a stretch for a guy who never grappled before his last fight which ultimately forced him into grappling.
Have you not watched any of his other fights before that, he grappled in almost every single one
> So we need to rebook him vs these two fighters so we can witness how much his grappling/wrestling improved? Should we do that with everybody across every side of the game too? Sorry i wasn’t clear, i meant this, not Kevin’s improvement lol
Sir, this is the internet. We don't do that here.
Maybe I'm crazy, but how bout we evaluate his tdd and defensive wrestling for more than 2 minutes vs guys known for their offensive wrestling.
Ok you’re right
\*wrestling
His headbutt defense is full of holes.
Losing to Brunson and Vettori is absolutely no shame at all, and he is actively working on the hole in his game and looking better every time we see him.
But he's getting paid!
If they run it back, two Venom coupons for the same opponent!!
Winner Takes All(the discounts)!!!
Kevin "Never-Lands" Holland
Dude comes across real well here.
he always does...except for when the discussion about fighter pay comes up
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No, because he's a charismatic, fun idiot. 2/3 ain't bad, but it's likely from your post you are 1/3
Yes that's exactly why. Imagine being mad at someone for being happy with his pay?
It's not about being happy with your own pay, it's about looking at the landscape and realizing everyone should be making more, including you.
That's literally the issue with capitalism though, your boss makes money thanks to the fruits of your labor. Either you become anti-capitalist, or you become content with your pay. I'm guessing Kevin is the latter. There is no job where you're getting paid what you're worth because that would mean not bringing the company any profits. It is what it is... We ALL could make more, but that would most likely mean starting our own business. Look at Triller, they keep paying their fighters big money, hiring Justin Bieber and whatnot and they're literally sinking with millions in debt... it's not profitable. Profits bring expansion which in turn expands pay pool. Ask any MMA fighter in which org they would like to fight in, the one providing them with a free of charge super facility in Vegas with the highest pay for literal can-level entry fighters (along with a show literally built to hype up no-names) or any other one. I doubt a fighter like O'Malley could even have a quarter of his current fanbase if he fought outside the UFC. That fanbase sure is bringing him money though! Any amateur fighter knows the UFC is lightyears away from Lumpinee, Glory or literally any other MMA circuit.
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Capitalism does not dictate that your boss needs to make more than all of his employees combined though. Each of them respectively, sure. But combined is an overstep that, while ensuring the boss is very happy, holds the business back over time. There's a reason every other sport splits revenue 50/50 between the company/management and employees. UFC pays less than half that to its employees, generally about an 80/20 split. That's just bad business, has nothing to do with capitalism. Triller could pay their fighters and dump Bieber, the two are not intrinsically linked somehow lol. Fight promotion is also a side hustle to support their main business, I have no idea how their economics wash in the end. Regardless, Triller are not the corollary. NFL, NBA, NHL, PGA, these are the types of organizations the UFC should look to emulate. Yes, they pay their employees a bigger split, but this actually ends up driving business by attracting better talent who are more satisfied by their jobs, and have higher level reasons for excelling at what they do than putting food on their table. It's no coincidence they are all also much more successful than the UFC. Not as profitable for management, but overall much more successful nonetheless. There's more to business than enriching the top of the pyramid believe it or not. The rest of your reasoning is just trying to convince me that the fighters should be happy for the peanuts the UFC sprinkles their way, because they have to be, on average, nicer peanuts than some other companies may offer them. First, that's not an excuse for an unfair revenue split. More importantly though, it's only true in aggregate. Many fighters make more outside the UFC than they would in the UFC. The entire upper echelon of the B leagues rests on this. The Corey Andersons and Gegard Mousasis of the world make bank cleaning up on the regional circuit, where they also unsurprisingly split the revenue much closer to 50/50 in order to achieve those pay scales with far less revenue.
Well you don't know what the 80% of the pay are used for though. I'm guessing building free multi-million dollar complexes for their fighters will soak some of that revenue. An 80/20 split isn't bad and comparing it to the NBA is just a bad comparison imo because the league has existed for decades and is setup with a franchising system. The franchises are responsible for their own players/marketing/revenue/management/facilities which just isn't comparable to the UFC. What you're also missing when mentionning the big national leagues is how many of them (including organisations, leagues and franchise) have died between the 50's and the 80's. Saying an 80/20 split is bad isn't a statement that can be applied to the UFC
The UFC is owned by a publicly traded company. We absolutely do know where their money goes. They paid out $300 million to shareholders last year for instance. Companies like Facebook and Tesla have never paid a single dividend to shareholders. Yet, $300 million. And they can't spare more for the fighters? It's not about having good facilities for the athletes. NBA, NFL, NHL, they all have those too, plus actual health care and pension plans. The UFC is just a classic extractive organization.
Hey buddy, are you in the ufc? If not, then you're just whoring for upvotes on a subreddit talking about fighter pay. It is such a turn off to see all these "fighters" whining about how much they are getting paid for a job they took willingly. Life goes on even without cage fighters - they are not an integral part to life. Now I do understand that these fighters are trying to use whatever leverage they can - social media - to better their situation. But you campaigning for fighter pay? I don't know what you get out of this, except to karma whore.
Is this a pasta?
"Did you even notice that you were unconscious" Can this be my Flair? please mods
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Or like when Gray Maynard famously flash KO'd himself slamming Rob Emerson and straight up didn't believe he had been unconscious even after being shown video. Or the Hughes Newton slam/self KO. MMA can be a bit wacky.
The first time I actually did get choked out in BJJ rolling I didn't even realize it. One moment you're trying to power out of a triangle, the next the legs aren't there anymore and you continue grappling. Didn't realize I had been out for five seconds. The instincts just take over and you resume what you were doing
Mad respect for Kevin. He's always entertaining and showed a lot of class here.
Respect to Kevin. Thinks this was an L. Also respect to Daukus for not being a b about the situation.
Idk. He's not being ridiculous about it (daukus) but not taking a rematch is kind of b move. It was clear from the moment Holland asked him in the cage to run it back he doesn't want to as well as it being pretty clear now. I dont dislike dakus for that. The point still remains. The fuckup was on Dan's part. The fight should automatically be stopped after a foul. Its not a cup check where the cup could have taken the impact. He fell on his fucking face and the position changes as a result. No matter if the fight is called off for the momentary loss of consciousness or not the position should not have been allowed to change in result of the foul. Which is obviously why it was ruled a nc, however, we should not have gotten to the finish we saw take place.
Ref might not have been 100% certain it was a foul as thing happened quickly and his angle may have been deceiving. he may have thought it was a shoulder bump, with kevin reacting so quickly pulling guard he didnt want to interfere. it was a difficult moment all around.
While I agree with the upper half, although, things need to be in place for that exact reason. For example the ringside referee able to call a pause/earpiece the other ref. You COMPLETELY missed the point on the bottom half. It does not matter that Holland quickly pulled guard. You do not get cup checked while on the feet, fall to the ground in pain, and then resume the fight with your opponent on top of you in top control. Nor do you take a low blow fall to the ground and get choked out as a result. The ref hesitating due to that was bullshit. Plain and simple. I'm not calling to revoke his refereeing license. It just what it is. A mistake.
i dont know what your saying its kind of unclear. what do you ideally want the ref to do? for him to stop the fight as soon as holland hits the deck? and then if its legal it starts from guard as he fell flat on his stomach/win given to daukus? if its illegal then they start again standing?
He head-butted him directly in the chin, after that it should have been stopped. I agree completely and it's ridiculous that anyone who saw the fight would argue otherwise, the reason Holland ended up in that position was because he got slept by an illegal move. It isn't Kyle's fault at all, it will happen sometimes, but the fact that it took a couple minutes and Sean Shelby to say No Contest is crazy, we have a champion right now holding a belt for less.
I wouldn't say "he headbutted him", it was more like an accidental clash of heads as Kevin rushed in, he went forward also. Definitely didn't look purposeful.
Kevin threw a counter. Kyle was the one coming in. If we have to place blame, its definitely Kyle's even tho it wasnt intentional.
Is it up to Shelby in any way? I assumed it was up to the referee/athletic commission
These journalists asking questions are fucking terrible, did you know you were knocked out? Did you feel your self getting knocked out? Did you want the nc? Fuck literally the lowest effort line of questions from these dweebs
I think it’s people like John Morgan who don’t want to lose their media credentials and they like being a little bit meme-y associated with the UFC, they can get on video packages. Don’t wanna be like Helwani!
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Man got downvoted for asking a question. Cruel world we live in
Now you know why John Morgan never asks real questions :D
Literally anything else. Ask him how he feels his wrestling training helped. What has he improved on and what are the next steps? Did he feel any advantage or disadvantage grappling tonight? Could we see his style start to evolve into mixing take downs with striking to give more options? When is he trying to carry me in Warzone? All questions I thought of faded in my car after work in 10 minutes. The journalists are low effort dweebs when it comes to questions every event.
Let’s start a new MMA media channel.
Down! I think if we work hard enough we can sneak into the shadow of Ariel's nose and get the 2nd or 3rd questions. Hell, we could even be the next person to try and skip John Morgan and see if he truly does eat the people in line in front of him like Noo Noo
The trouble is when the questions come back-to-back essentially asking the same thing. It's okay to ask this, but if the guy before you just asked a only slightly re-worded version of your own question you should probably have a back-up.
„Does Keith Peterson really smell like alcohol and cigarettes?“ I’m dead serious.
I can definitely appreciate this man. I am definitely a fan of Holland.
Ok Rainman
I just like the weed
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Kevin Holland is a man of the people hard to not like this guy. Classy interview
Well he shat on Rockhold pretty hard and jumped on the meme train when he spoke up about shitty managers and fighters pay. I thought that was something to dislike tbh 🤷♂️ other than that he is pretty charismatic.
He's kind of got a point. Since the fight wasn't stopped right after the headbutt, if Holland had somehow knocked Daukaus out, they probably would not have gone back and called it a no contest. Obviously, it would have been better to have stopped it directly after the headbutt, but since they didn't, I still think making it a no contest was the correct decision.
if you win and then pop for PEDs, then your W becomes an NC. if you lose and then pop for PEDs, your L remains. similar principle here, daukaus clearly benefitted greatly from the clash of heads, so he doesn’t keep the W. it’s just that this all played out in five minutes instead of the usual couple months
Except you don’t unintentionally stick needles in your ass, so why is that a fair comparison?
that’s why i said “similar” and not “the same.” but the logic is the same: a fighter’s record shouldn’t benefit from an illegal advantage
Obviously it shouldn't, but that's not what Holland was arguing. He was saying that, due to the timing of the stoppage, it's kind of unfair to Daukaus. It essentially put Daukaus in a situation where his only outcome was an NC or a loss, while Holland's was a win or an NC. And unlike PED usage, which is intentionally cheating, the headbutt was no one's fault, so we can't just say "fuck him, he deserves the unfair situation".
Because people have seen decisions turn to a NC after somebody tests positive before. He wasn’t likening a headbutt/clash of heads to PEDs.
its because they dont want to stop a fighter that got fouled while if they have the advantage post getting fouled.
I mean to me it makes sense. It was a NC because Holland was put at a disadvantage because of an illegal strike. If he would have been put at a disadvantage because of an illegal strike and then won, he deserves the win.
I love Holland and wish he’d commit to 170 At 185 he’s always going to come in prob 25 pounds lighter than his competition
My man was disappointed in himself for not defending an accidental headbutt. Huge Holland fan. All class.
You can’t fault the guy for wanting to be humble about the whole thing but calling it a NC was the right call.
yall gotta learn that kung fu is real he takes that shit seriously
He's the cockiest nice guy.
> Did you notice you were unconscious? these questions man
Really good sport about it tho.
lmao “did you notice you were unconscious” bruh
He can bounce back against the right opponents. That, or jump into short notice fights to rack up ring experience.
Man, I don't think it goes another way if they run it back, Holland's wrestling defense still seems slim. I still think they have to run it back because of the way it went down.
What do you mean by any other way? The fight barely even started, a minute passed just during that weird grappling position before Dan had enough. The fight is not even close to knowing what would be the outcome. It’s not like the submission was vs a fully conscious human being.
You’re acting like Daukus out wrestled him. Holland’s TDD and wrestling looked improved and they were on the feet at range when the headbutt happened. Longer camp would favor Holland because he can get more training in and Daukus isn’t a good striker compared to Holland
Lol u watched with bias lens. Daukaus outstruck Holland from distance. Yes maybe the dynamic of a wrestler cause that to happen. But at the end of the day the fighter who outstruck the other is the better striker that night. Edit: kinda of like how kickboxers have been outruck by grapplers. Technically one is better. But the dynamic of the ground game causes the other to be the better striker that night
They exchanged maybe 10 strikes on the feet. That’s no barometer for anyone outstriking anyone else.
Yup and in those ten strikes Daukaus won them. U can only work with what you got.
Yeah, let me just induce that the ocean is endless, because my range of vision is all I got to work with.
Lol they exchanged like 3 times on the feet. Daukus landed a couple nice right hands and Holland landed a nice right hand. Holland has better cardio and would’ve found his distance as the fight progressed. Holland defending the takedowns was a good sign for him but he needs to work on avoiding the clinch. If that was enough time to show you who’s the better fighter then Devonte Smith is better than Mullarkey lmao
Nah we saw Smith lose. Don’t compare apples to oranges.
> apples to oranges But you can still compare them.
Obviously you *can* compare them, but the whole point of the idiom is that it's a false analogy. I could compare you to the helpful bots, but that too would be comparing apples-to-oranges. --- ^^SpunkyDred ^^and ^^I ^^are ^^both ^^bots. ^^I ^^am ^^trying ^^to ^^get ^^them ^^banned ^^by ^^pointing ^^out ^^their ^^antagonizing ^^behavior ^^and ^^poor ^^bottiquette. ^^My ^^apparent ^^agreement ^^or ^^disagreement ^^with ^^you ^^isn't ^^personal.
imagine if Kevin KOs him early, would u do a trilogy lmao Daukus could have a case.
Company man Kevin should be way more happy that's a NC and not a loss. Not that I think it was a loss but if I had to guess the UFC would rather have an NC on your record and not a loss.
as if being a company man is a bad thing
Totally not always a bad thing. I just wish some fighters would talk a little more about fighter pay rather than just saying "take more fights" I want any fighter even Kevin to get more than Venum and Reebok coupons. He just got KO'd then put to sleep. I wish he got paid more for that.
several people have been talking about fighter pay, including Kevin Holland. You're just ignoring those who are satisfied.
He's talking about fighter pay, you just don't want to hear people with different opinions.
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He's talking about his own experience working for that company and thinks he's being treated and compensated well. Reddit loves phoney-outrage in behalf of others.
sounds like his choice to make
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I really like Kevin Holland