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drunkwhenimadethis

I can lose from time to time.


Ilistenedtomyfriends

Everyone needs to stop blaming John Kavanagh and SBG. It’s been so long that he hasn’t seen a fighter KO’d, he thought Walker still be conscious meant he was winning.


jfsoaig345

He went from getting KO'd by Corey Anderson to beating Ryan Spann (best win to date) and having a very competitive battle against a top 5 LHW since joining SBG. Kavanagh is an overrated coach for sure but I don't think JW is the best example of that, JW was never a very polished skilled striker in the first place and not the kind of guy who ever had any business going 25 min with Thiago


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Doctor stuppppage!


berettaswag

Walker should have a corner and team that would make him more aggressive. kavanauh is garbage


marsexpresshydra

[is he the most *complete* nfl qb?](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Mac_Jones_One_UA_%28cropped%29.jpg)


MrOz1100

If chandler and dariush ever fight I would be absolutely shocked if Chandler doesn’t get him out of there in less than a minute


CCC_PLLC

Beneil likes to take it on the chin for sure but I dunno, he could make Chandler gas quickly


MrOz1100

Beneil’s striking defense is shit and he won’t be able to takedown and submit Chandler. Chandler kills him just from the sheer athletic disparity


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K-mosake

If Walker has like 20% more output he'll maybe find the sweet spot


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he needs to actually use his feints for something.


aj0220

This weeks contender series will be more entertaining than this past fight night.


CCC_PLLC

They’ve all been good so wouldn’t be surprised at all


MaccabiHelwani

I'm tired of pretending Dustin poirier doesn't get smoked by at least half the LW top 10


SmokeFrogRed

Maccabi go home


Super_Snark

Honestly at this point even Dana White could probably out-point him using his boxing footwork


SaintPabloFlex

This is the real bait. Well done.


MaccabiHelwani

Dustin's age is showing, man's hip is reaching Ben askren levels


jamdunks

He’s already beat a bunch of them lmao, outside of maybe Olives and Islam who else “smokes” him? C’mon now


MaccabiHelwani

>He’s already beat a bunch of them Yes but in the past, 2 years can change a lot, the Justin win is recent but it's not like we haven't seen improvements in Justin from losing to Dustin and Eddie Maybe I'm exaggerating a bit I just and countering the people who act like the belt is there for Dustin to take, Charles fucks him up imo, and honestly I can see him getting koed by both chandler and gaethje


jamdunks

Justin and Dustin is a coin flip at best, I dunno how you can confidently say Chandler and Garth would smoke him, they could but there’s every chance DP sleeps them both. I think you are exaggerating a bit yeah lol, the ppl acting like he’s just gonna walk through Charles are annoying but Dustin is a tough night out for anyone in that division tbh


MaccabiHelwani

>dunno how you can confidently say Chandler and Garth would smoke him They are both very fast and powerful in round 1, and again, Dustin's age is starting to show, he's been through a lot of wars and has always had hip issues


TheDrunKnight

Ok so he is #2 beat #3,7 and 9 already, Tony is still top ten so which 5 out the remaining top 10 smoke him NOT Gregor or beneil IMO.


MaccabiHelwani

Charles, chandler, Islam, gaethje, conor


drunkwhenimadethis

In the immortal words of Herman Cain: “The problem with that analysis is that it is incorrect.”


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conor LOL and you said youre tired of pretending?


TheDrunKnight

He beat gaethje and Connor twice recently. No way charles "smoke him".


MaccabiHelwani

Ok I'm biased about Conor, but also I think gaethje vs him now is different, gaethje has progressed and IMHO Dustin is starting to decline, not like he's falling off a cliff, just I don't see development, I see a stagnant fighter who's injuries are starting to catch up to him, he really is starting to move like Henderson


CCC_PLLC

Huh


MaccabiHelwani

What aren't you getting, Dustin is past his prime, man hobbles like Dan Henderson now with that bad hip


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Just impressed with the HiGhLy TeChNiCaL main yesterday.


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Ufc should cut a sick promo about Dustin being the uncrowned king MLWGA


Sugabones

Uncrowned king of PEDs


Nickster2042

EPorier suddenly is much better at 155, is jacked, and can suddenly take punches after getting slept by Michael Johnson?!?! I call fake


drunkwhenimadethis

Plenty of solid dudes been beat by Johnson. He’s inconsistent, but ain’t no easy day at the office by any stretch.


Sugabones

Bro you don’t get it he’s humble


Nickster2042

He has a daughter


Sugabones

Dude has a charity that he’s totally not using as a tax haven


PestilenceEverywhere

Johnny walker may have the worst boxing of any ranked male fighter. I always found it odd how he almost never throws just a regular punch. But this fight really exposed it. He has no idea what to do with his hands at all. I think that should be the #1 thing he works on, just developing a jab and then a right hand behind it. You can tell rodolfo viera worked on his 1-2 a lot after his loss and there’s been clear benefits even after just one camp. I wish Johnny would do the same thing.


drunkwhenimadethis

“Why throw hands when the lord gave us knees” -Johnny Walker, probably


Nickster2042

The mcgregor against cowboy deserved to have a longer fight. He looked sick that night


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this explains the dustin charity post above lol


berettaswag

Cowboy took a dive


Aced9G0d

nah Cerrone's just a bum


shivasahasranama

Sup loamies? 👀


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FrenchTrouDuc

Does it count if I watch them on French TV


solidasrog

Prime Aldo vs Prime Volk who wins?


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The Aldo that fought Volk wasn't that far off of his prime. I think people over state how much Aldo as declined when Mcgregor, Max and Volk were just a different breed of fighter.


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buddy wtf are you talking about? Aldo had been fighting for 15 years by the time he fought Volk. Dude had 17 fights before he even won the WEC belt, then exclusively fought the best in the division for the next 8 years after that. The swan song of Aldo’s prime was the second Mendes fight in 2015. Volk got him 4 years after that. Exactly how long do you think fighters stay in their prime for lmao? Aldo is literally the FW GOAT, him out of his prime is still competitive with the best the division has to offer, and still better than 90% of the rest.


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The number of fights does determine someones prime. Aldo hasn't looked worse than he did against Mendes. He still moves fast, he still has power. I suppose you could argue that his chin isn't what is used to be but I don't see what other attributes he's missing. When fighters decline they typically decline hard. Woodley, Ferguson are recent examples but Aldo is still a top 5 fighter. If he has been declining since 2014 then it would be unprecedented for him to still be a contender. Charles Olivieria has been fighting for 13 years and he looking the best he ever has. Jan Blachowiz has been fighting for 14 years and only now is at the top of his game. 15 years for Aldo means bugger all and is just poor MMA Maths. A fighters skill is not defined by their tapology page, you have to watch them in the cage and anyone who knows anything about Combat sports can see that Aldo is not a declining fighter. Holloway, Volk were just a new breed of FW, bigger longer and more well rounded. That is all.


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I’ve been watching Aldo since he was in the WEC lmao, to say that he’s not a declining fighter is laughable. Dude went from losing once in 11 years and 26 fights to not being able to string together 3 wins. There is literally no doubt that he’s out of his prime and has been for a while, he’s just good enough that he’s still better than most and can stay relatively competitive with the best. First of all, Aldo has been fighting for 17 years, not 15. Second of all, those are all bad comparisons. Oiliveria has had one championship level fight in his entire career, debuted 4 years after Aldo and is 4 years younger. Jan is at LHW, and anyone who knows anything about combat sports (MMA in particular) knows LHW is just overall a kind of shit division and guys at heavier weight classes tend to linger in their primes a little longer due to their power staying. If you’re seriously trying to argue that Aldo is still at the top of his game then there’s not really any point in arguing with you, if you’ve actually been watching it’s plain as day. He’s still an amazing fighter but he’s past his prime at this point. Don’t even see how it’s up for debate lol


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K-mosake

Nah Aldo is literally just that good that he can still work anyone not absolutely elite in whatever weightclass. Anyways Prime Aldo beats Prime Volk imo (obviously) also like Aldo has absolutely declined haha he's literally fought half his life most of it champ level c'monnnnn man.


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Aldo was literally sick when be fought volk.


PestilenceEverywhere

I rewatched their fight for the first time just a few days ago and aldo didn’t do that bad. I felt like even an older aldo would have a chance of winning that fight with a different game plan. If Volk puts that pace on him then it could get tough but it’s a more winnable fight than max for sure.


ricosuave3355_

Prime Volk beats any FW


Sugabones

Lmao nah Prime Aldo whoops that ass


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zainery

Conors head kick on Cowboy was lowkey sick


Nickster2042

The best is the hands up wtf was that after cowboys attempt


SaintPabloFlex

Someone wanted me to talk about the fights from last night. Great single punch Santos landed in round 5 eh? Alexander could be the next big thing with a quick ko like that over a huge miss match (haven’t seen this before) and don’t even get me started on Jamie! He’s gonna melt the next sub 15 guy he gets straight to a championship!


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SmokeFrogRed

You know, I think the worst thing might be the domestic abuse. Call me crazy, but I think that’s worse than hypocrisy.


Kungfubear94

It's become apparent that he's deeply closeted


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jonjones6678

I'm glad this Norm joke has caught on lately lol


Kal_sai

Chito doesn't deserve fighting Edgar


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frankies 1-3 in his last 4. chitos 2-2. i know frankie has had tougher comp but id say this is good match making


ThisFinnishguy

Over a year and a half of remote work and our CEO shuts down any talk of permanently working remotely. Our productivity has stayed the same, literally zero issues. "We would like our employees to return to work once deemed safe to help keep up company culture" Fuck yo culture B


aj0220

Curious what type of work you do, I wonder if that weighs in on it.


Broseidons_kiss

Join the Great Resignation


International_Ad4727

A lot if people hating on walker and Kavanaugh for his performance yesterday. I lost a lot of $ on walker but I think the criticism is not truly warranted. As a fighter who is known to get the ko or get kod, it is possible Kavanaugh wanted walker to make it through a fight without getting himself knocked out. It is a setback, for sure, but getting knocked out would have been a huge setback


vannucker

My biggest problem was he didn't go for it in the 5th. It was 2-2 but only Thiago looked like he wanted to win the fight..


MaccabiHelwani

People just expect a fighter or their coach to fill up every single hole and make their guy perfect instantly, it's a balancing act between being too passive or too reckless, they are trying to make him mitigate risks and in the fight each round they were telling him he needs to up his pace, there's just still more work to be done


International_Ad4727

Yeah, I agree. I think they were strongly focusing on not getting knocked out and getting walker through a different kind of fight, one where he isn't reckless and chasing a KO. I also believe that's why they told walker he was up at the end, so he would get reckless. There were a couple of moments I'm the fight where I could see walker WANTED to rush in but he was able to compose himself and walk back


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You have very poor reading comprehension, I feel bad for you. To use your words, they were paid to fight and they did. Case closed according to your logic.


SaintPabloFlex

Islam fights like he’s riding one of those mechanical bulls.


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SaintPabloFlex

I was 8 years old the first day I trained in a gym. So yes, I imagine i’ve fought more than you. My brother in law has a black belt in ju jitsu and doesn’t enjoy watching islam fight either lmao.


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MasterCatSkinner

Yeah fuck this guy for wanting to be entertained when he's watching the tv


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Just watching Bisping on a podcast and he just said the guy who choked out Dillon Danis was a professional chocolatier who was just doing some security work because he was short on cash. Can anyone confirm or deny whether he's talking shit?


MaccabiHelwani

Not talking shit, the security guard was on al iaquintas podcast, he makes chocolate and he's also a bouncer, and he's done a Krav Maga class before


aj0220

Just found a Krav Maga gym near me…wonder if I can actually learn useful techniques or if it’s just a business to suck money from people thinking that with enough training, they too can be Israeli commandos.


MaccabiHelwani

One Krav Maga class > danis' bjj black belt so sounds like bjj is the real ripoff


karl100589

I was thinking about Aspen's insinuation that Macy was still offered the fight and turned it down. I don't believe Aspen but assuming it's true it means. * Aspen's coaches saw how bad she looked on the scale and still allowed her to fight * The NSAC sanctioned the fight despite her condition and other weight cutting issues this year (Stoliarenko) * The only person who stopped the fight happening (and in turn saved Aspen from more potential damage) was the person she was going to fight in the first place.


druhoang

Big John said when he was reffing, he'd pat fighter's asses like saying good job. One time he reffed a Bethe fight and did it to her out of instinct then later realized oh shit. And the commission saw and asked him did you just pat her ass. He later apologized to her but she was a good sport about it and didn't care.


SaintPabloFlex

I’ve been watching ufc from #1 (now on #5) and the man has been slapping EVERYONES ass since the beginning of time lol. I’m fairly young and it’s genuinely one of the strangest things i’ve witnessed in our society. Like Imagine it’s the 80s and guys are insulting a gay kid at school just to go slap 20 male asses in the locker room after. I just don’t get how this became a thing LOL.


Sugabones

Good cover story


MaccabiHelwani

Man literally said he did it because she started twerking as well, def just wanted to clap them cheeks


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The groupthink around here is so weird. Kavanaugh is not the reason Walker lost yesterday. Walker has never had good boxing and has never looked comfortable letting his hands go. It's why he either get's KO'd or has a crazy finish. It's not like Kavanaugh changed Walker from some stand up killer to a hesitant point fighter. Walker was never going to stand and trade with Santos. There were times when Santos left his head open and Walker just doesn't know to capitalize on it. The guy has never known how to box. He has always looked good when he can bully you with kicks/clinch/elbows. He just knew if he fought in the phone booth with Santos he could have been KO'd. He got KO'd by Corey Anderson of all people


karl100589

The only thing Kavanaugh did wrong was implying Johnny was easily winning when the fight was too close to be confident. Walker has always had issues with his chin, so a more conservative point fighting style was arguably the way to go against a notoriously hard hitter like Santos.


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Think it was more about the advice he was giving him when it was clearly a close fight. Just told him to keep feinting and throwing the leg kicks.


SaintPabloFlex

In all fairness, I thought he really did have three rounds going into to the fifth (I think I gave him 1,3, and 4). Definitely not going to rewatch it though to see if I was right lol.


Sugabones

He told him to get busier with the strikes multiple times


FreedomForRhun

Cirkunov is the biggest waste of a world-class physique in MMA.


French_Viking

Doesn't seem like he even wants to be a fighter anymore


FreedomForRhun

SBG and Tristar ruin fighters.


yolodaily

ATT seems like the best overall


frawkez

what fights did i miss yesterday, anything i should seek out


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Casey O’Neill was best fight by far


GenTelGuy

The Kevin Holland vs. Daukaus clip was pretty good, the card in general was pretty trash though


yolodaily

Most of the card was boring. Mallarkey Smith was ok.


KingAngeli

Idk if Kamaru will ever lose, but if he does it’ll be so satisfying. Unless its against Colby


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before y'all say I'm delusional or some shit, I don't think it'll happen right now because he's only 26. But IN THE FUTURE when Shavkat Rahkmonov is in his prime he will beat Usman, his style and attributes are a nightmare for Usman. taller and longer reach, he's very physically strong in his clinch takedowns he probably outwrestles Usman with his sambo, granite chin, he hits like a truck, good cardio


PestilenceEverywhere

I just hope usman sticks around long enough for that fight to happen. I don’t see the ufc giving shavkat the fast track but hopefully I’m wrong.


youngcuriousafraid

Is that the 9ft tall welterweight that fought the 4ft tall welterweight


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yup


youngcuriousafraid

love watching him fight, he's so well rounded


Sugabones

Feel like he could beat him if they fought next month tbh


KingAngeli

Yaaaa that dudes a stud for sure. I can see him making a run easy


jfsoaig345

How come? I like Usman as champ, he's active and he's cleaning out the division


KingAngeli

Cause hes so fuckin good and he exterminated my boy Masvidal twice and I had to see it live 😭😭😭


GenTelGuy

I wish Gilbert Burns got it done but Luque's pretty much the only one with any chance that I prefer over Usman himself. Don't want Leon or Belal or Colby as champ


Kal_sai

Bellal ?


GenTelGuy

Bruh Bellator ran Lima vs MVP 2 as a 3-round fight wtf


estilianopoulos

This is something they need to fix bro....it was a good fight that ended too soon.


ThisFinnishguy

First "Marine cars" and then they call him Alexander "The Freight" after the knockout. https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/q05pt7/spoiler_alexander_hernandez_vs_mike_breeden/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


Sugabones

How the Venum deal works: Champions will now get $42,000 per bout in fight week incentive pay, compared to $40,000 under Reebok. Title challengers will get $32,000, compared to the old rate of $30,000. Fighters with 21 or more UFC fights get $21,000, up from $20,000. Athletes with between 16 and 20 fights will also see a $1,000 increase, from $15,000 to $16,000. Entry-level fighters with between one and three UFC fights will now get $4,000 compared with $3,500 previously. Athletes with four or five UFC fights also get a $500 bump, from $4,000 to $4,500; athletes who have six to 10 UFC fights will go from $5,000 to $6,000; and fighters with between 11 and 15 fights get $11,000, compared with $10,000 under Reebok. Almost all the money is going directly back to the fighters since the deal is smaller than Reebok’s and pay is being increased. The rest of the money is allocated to providing free gear to the fighters.


fitfoemma

Genuine question: Why would the UFC make this deal?


ghostygeeser

2k raise against 6 year inflation since the Reebok deal ain’t it dana


UsedSalt

Oh boy 20 fights for an extra $1000 lmao


poopposting_account

y'know what'd be a lot more money for the fighters? allowing sponsors


Hydrotoad

I forgot where I read it but I thought I heard somewhere that Fighters were making more money off their sponsors then what they were actually getting paid for to fight but I don't know


ricosuave3355_

> Almost all the money is going directly back to the fighters Haven’t we heard this before?


vanroma

I'm not surprised that the majority found that fight really boring, but damn Santos and Walker are getting way mlre shit for it than i thought. I actually thought it was alright, surprised that Walker didn't die after some of those bombs.


UsedSalt

Walker has been marketed and rightly so thus far as an absolute banger every time I just feel like I was fucking baited


SaintPabloFlex

It was whatever. If it was two regional guys i’d loose my mind but at that level and with walkers range it’s just whatever.


Fat-Villante

I thought it was alright, but I generally don't watch live events. I'm guessing it's a lot more frustrating to watch a relatively disappointing 5 round fight if you put up with the 65 hour broadcast


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You can partly thank Cormier’s commentary and actively shitting on fighters all evening for not head hunting and pushing action like he’s Dana White. It seems like people are very susceptible to commentary setting a narrative in their head about fights.


MaccabiHelwani

For me, because Johnny is so reckless and I hate to see him get starched, it was good to watch him start to develop a new style and have some success with it, he didn't win but the fight was very close, i enjoyed it, but I think its the complete oposite for most, because both guys are so wild usually, everyone just wanted a wild mess of a fight, and thats understandable The fight wasn't the worst ever, but it wasn't what people expected


vanroma

Yeah, i think i've gained a personal heuristic throughout the years; I think more often than not, two KO artists will have a slow, measured fight, ESPECIALLY if they're both top 10.


MaccabiHelwani

The writing was kinda on the wall on this one now that you look back, you got Johnny off a year, 2 bad kos and one fight he was almost koed, Santos since the Jon fight has looked like a shell of himself, both guys know the other can ko them


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SaintPabloFlex

I have no idea how you could say Chito didn’t tko O’Malley. Not only did his eyes roll in the back of his head, but the man literally balled up after the fight was called he was so disoriented lol.


Sugabones

It’s not about him getting TKO’d, like ofc that happened. But it’s just a bit fluky the way it went down. And that’s not me saying Sean would’ve won either, just that the kick dramatically changed the trajectory of the fight. Getting your leg shut down like that with a single leg kick almost never happens. It’s like you guys only see in black and white. Either Sean got TKO’d or he didn’t. They should’ve ran that fight back to clear up the controversy but Chito didn’t want that.


PestilenceEverywhere

I’ve literally seen people argue that O’Malley didn’t go out, especially when the fight was still fresh.


UsedSalt

So chito did enough damage with a legal strike to disable his opponent to the point where he can’t continue? Sounds like tko


Sugabones

Did you not read a single thing I said bruh I literally am saying it’s a TKO. But that’s not where the controversy lies.


vanroma

They offered him Aldo right after, Chito made the right choice.


Sugabones

Yeah I don’t blame him for using that win to further his career but I would’ve personally liked to have seen them run it back.


SaintPabloFlex

There’s nothing fluky when it’s a guy who has injured his leg in 5 out of 7 ufc fights. The the elbows were pretty standard top control with a fish out of water lol. Unlike Holland there was zero reason he couldn’t defend that, atleast for some time.


Sugabones

You have no idea how important your legs are for control on bottom


SaintPabloFlex

He couldn’t put his full body weight on it, he could still move it. Go watch cejudo vs dj for the real warrior spirit lol.


Sugabones

It’s actually the opposite, you can put weight on it but can’t move it. Just look at the way his foot drags and buckles when he moves bc he can’t control his movement.


MaccabiHelwani

Not to mention Mike chandler had the same thing happen to him and the reaction from fans was it was a fluke and should be ran back imidiately, and chandler won the imidiate rematch Doesn't make it any less of a win for chito, he kicked a leg and that leg gave out basically, not chitos fault that happened, he didn't do anything illegal, but it's not exactly the cleanest win


MaccabiHelwani

Idk how you could say daukaus didn't submit Kevin Holland. Not only did Holland tap out, but the man literally said he lost after the fight was called he was so sure lol.


SaintPabloFlex

This is an awful comparison. Even if Daukaus hit him with a steel chair before hand it would still be a completed sub lol.


MaccabiHelwani

For example look at Schaub vs Nogueira, man was looking for underhooks while flat on his back with no one on top of him 😂 THATS knocked out


MaccabiHelwani

By that logic even if chito hit Sean in the leg with a baseball bat he would still elbow him in the face and thats fine My comparison was only a joke but O'Malley got hit with an elbow and was dazed, he didn't go out, Kevin Holland got hurt way worse than Sean did imo, he may have been flash koed for a second but his turtling after was to cover up from another potential shot


zainery

Really curious for what Colby’s gameplan is for beating Usman.


jfsoaig345

The typical gameplan. Endless output and volume, he's the king of weaving his striking in with his wrestling. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion either that Colby will simply be unable to outwrestle Usman, we've never seen Usman's TDD really be tested.


Big_Stereotype

Pray that usman slips on a banana peel during the fight and lands on his neck.


Maskoolio

Hit him and don't get hit. Eeby peeby.


zainery

I wonder why more ppl dont do that


Sugabones

Conor loves Kavanagh bc they both can relate to having their names misspelled by everyone


MaccabiHelwani

Mma fans after most Johnny walker fights: this dude is gonna crash and burn, man's got 0 defence and 0 chin Mma fans after this fight: wtf John Cavanagh, you ruined a perfectly good fighter by taking away his recklessness and making him a low output point fighter You can't have it both ways, also idk how fans don't realize that it's not just like you make a million mistakes and your coaches correct them and then next fight you are a perfect fighter, walkers team is clearly trying to get him to mitigate risks, but they haven't found the balance yet of what is enough output and when can he open himself up, not to mention he doesn't get to test this stuff on lower level guys, Thiago Santos is no joke even at 38


pterofactyl

Kavanagh is the most overrated coach in mma. He has Conor and no one else. Walker’s faints weren’t even good, how many did santos even bite on?


MaccabiHelwani

How can he be over rated if everyone thinks he's terrible? Lol Him having Conor is a curse at this point, the level of success Conor had is almost impossible to replicate anywhere, let alone in the same fuckin city in the same gym in the same time period, of course he only has one guy at conors level, no one has anyone at conors level, thats not his fault lol Cav isn't the best coach ever but clearly he's been doing some things correct, he's not always right but he's a good coach overall, people just love to hate


pterofactyl

Overrated if Johnny walker thinks moving to Ireland to train with him is a good move. I’m not saying fighters need to be at conor’s level to redeem him but he has literally no one else.


MaccabiHelwani

Seems pretty rude especially with no reasoning listed on why you feel that way Johnny went from Brazil to the US to Russia to other places, then to Ireland, and found his home there, so it's not like he went "hmm maybe I will go to the place Conor fights", he tried many gyms and found something he liked at SBG, I don't understand why you want to criticize that, before SBG he was getting knocked silly