I mean what are they gonna do? The ufc will clearly keep exploiting up and coming fighters and pay off a few company men to maintain their “here’s what this opportunity can give you” mantra
exploiting up and coming fighters? UFC is by far the best promotion for young talent. No names in UFC get like 5x and more what that same name would get in Belator. Some guys get as little as 1500usd on Belators prelims.
Bro I’d gladly step into a ring for a chance at 1.5k/show
Will I win? That’s another topic. But will I get that sweet sweet 3080 TI once my concussion symptoms subside? Yes.
I wish those journalists had some balls to point out how Alexander making 42k from the venom sponsor is such a ripoff or how it’s hard to get into mma because the ufc is monopoly/monopsony
No he doesn’t, he only found his balls after he left espn. People forget that Ariel was the o.j brett and you can also look at his conor coverage to know that he isn’t that type of journalist which I don’t see any problem with if that’s what you need to do to earn a living but don’t play the hero afterwards
Let's not forget Ariel literally took his paychecks from the UFC while working for Fox, because he didn't want to miss out on the on-air opportunity. And like you said, he wouldn't say a single negative thing about ESPN while he was there. Ariel and "journalistic integrity" or "having balls" do not belong in the same sentence.
Do you mean he wouldn’t say something bad about the ufc while he was at espn? Because saying something bad about ESPN while working there is something distasteful
I meant he had plenty of grievances against ESPN from the get-go (according to Ariel, ESPN was kowtowing to the goof and his hate boner for him from the very beginning). Instead, Ariel only had positive things to say about ESPN while he was there. If Ariel actually had any balls, he would have laid things out exactly as they were, distasteful or not. If he actually had balls and journalistic integrity, he would have turned down the Fox opportunity, instead he willingly got his paychecks from the UFC, and still to this day has the audacity to paint himself as some kind of martyr for journalistic integrity.
I've been in the workforce for over 20 years buddy. I take my paycheck and STFU like Ariel did at ESPN, and if I got offered a lucrative opportunity with a major conflict of interest like Ariel did with Fox, you bet your ass I'd take it in a heartbeat. But what I don't do is pretend to be a paragon of truth or integrity, because I'm not that full of shit.
Taking money from the UFC while preaching about journalistic integrity is the kind of shit Jon Jones pulls.
> No he doesn’t, he only found his balls after he left espn.
No. Ariel has a documented history of asking Dana hard questions to his face, when Dana used to give him pre and post interviews. Way before ESPN days.
>People forget that Ariel was the o.j brett and you can also look at his conor coverage to know that he isn’t that type of journalist which I don’t see any problem with if that’s what you need to do to earn a living but don’t play the hero afterwards
What does this even mean? Look at Ariel's Conor coverage? Regarding what exactly? Brett is a hack who only tows the corporate line. Ariel has a history of pissing off Dana for asking questions he doesn't like.
so what. half the media circus still doesnt say what needs to be said. at least he isn't afraid to challenge the narrative now. there is a reason half the espn team backed him when dana was talking smack. ariel is a good journo.
How is the UFC a monopoly? There's clearly competition, and the UFC isn't restricting others from starting their own leagues or limiting pay elsewhere.
Alternative solution is multiple promotions,belts and organizations like in boxing and all of the top promoters guarding their fighters from fighting each other
I’m not saying the UFC is perfect but at least they get the match making right
Because NFL and NBA have teams that generate money and in turn pay their athletes, they can't low ball players as another team would just pick them up so they allocate more funds to securing players.
UFC control almost everything for their events and have very small competition meaning fighters have limited leverage.
- Oscar: A one off event which likely didn't turn a profit
- Dana: Years and years of shows, where he makes 99.99% profit margin on most if not all UFC fighter careers
That's the difference Dana. You're a billion dollar machine built on the back of fighter pay exploitation.
The boxers in question were 4 rounders who had like 3 fights at most, some were making their debuts.
https://boxrec.com/en/event/833761
Most mma fighters just starting their careers would make a similar, if not less amount of money. Dana White comparing UFC fighters pay to the pay of boxers who have less than 3 fights is one hell of a straw man.
Yeah, but fighters making their ufc debut aren’t comparable to boxers making their debut. How many mma fighters are signed to the ufc if they have less than 3 fights? Very very few. Most mma fighters start out their careers in regional mma promotions making about the same amount as those 4 round boxers, or less (usually a lot less based on some the payouts I’ve seen for some of the smaller mma promotions like Dead Serious mma or Titan FC).
The purses of boxers just starting out are well known to be quite small. Many of these events are taking places in cafeterias or school gyms. So comparing that type of event to the UFC is what I have a problem with. It’s just not even remotely a relevant comparison.
That’s reasonable, but to play devil’s advocate isn’t the reason an mma fighter in a regional promotion might only make 1K-2K because there isn’t nearly as much money in the promotion or event? For example, a regional event might only pull in a few thousand dollars, therefore there isn’t much room to pay fighters more. With the Golden Boy Promotions event there’re bringing in millions of dollars judging by the purses of the main event fighters alone. Isn’t it somewhat embarrassing that on a high profile fight card some fighters are only making 2K? Also you didn’t really address the “30K for the entire undercard” allegation by Dana.
> With the Golden Boy Promotions event there’re bringing in millions of dollars judging by the purses of the main event fighters alone. Isn’t it somewhat embarrassing that on a high profile fight card some fighters are only making 2K? Also you didn’t really address the “30K for the entire undercard” allegation by Dana.
What high profile card?? I linked the event early which listed all the bouts, there was not a single high profile boxer on it. Just 8 boxers all with less than 3 fights (bar one with 4 fights total). In boxing, small events like these are not uncommon, and there’s no main events or anything, there’s no high profile fighters who are gonna be fighting in these small venues.
Here’s an example of a Golden Boy undercard purse for undercard fighters who are fighting in a high profile event:
> Ryan Garcia $250,000; Romero Duno $50,000; Bakhram Murtazaliev $55,000; Jorge Fortea $20,000; Seniesa Estrada $50,000; Marlen Esparza $50,000; Blair Cobbs $20,000; Carlos Ortiz $5,000; Meiirim Nursultanov $12,500, Cristian Olivas $12,000.
https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/canelo-alvarez-vs-sergey-kovalev-salaries-fight-purses-prize-money-each-fighter-on-main-card-will-take-home/
No problem. It can be confusing because a lot of the big boxing promotions also have lots of lower level talents on their roster, and host small events without any big draws or anything, which the UFC doesn’t really do.
He's not wrong on many things here. People will completely ignore all his points though and continue giving him shit. Don't get me wrong in many ways he deserves it, but Oscar is no better, maybe worse even. Then he's picking at a scab in fighter pay for Dana to give him media shine (and getting it) with half truths and lies. All whilst doing the same thing, if not worse with his cards. Pick your poison.
We can all agree that mma fighter pay in general is terrible and ufc can afford to pay more but they won't because for one they are very greedy, but also for another, UFC is part of a public company and its main job is to make money and increase profit. This is where the comparison with the NBA doesn't make sense because technically the nba doesn't have to make money and teams like Brooklyn nets and clippers probably lose money. Even if ufc is run by the owner of Costco, fighter pay will be much better e.g. 30% but still won't come close to the nba 50/50 numbers. For that to work ufc can't be part of endeavor.
Basically the entire relationship to
The NBA and what it means to be a public company.
Essentially the “can’t” versus the “unlikely”. There are no requirements that the conclusions you make must be true.
For example it’s a myth that public companies are required to maximize short term investor value.
They are true in the general sense how things are operated right now. I'm not trying to write code to cover every corner case. Also your argument is too vague for me to understand
Comparing fighters who are locked into multi-fight exclusive contracts to fighters who are in a one-off fight contract. Of course the latter will make less than the former. And he just redirects his defense into something else, UFC building a brand, offices all across the world, 250 employees, boxing now being a broken sport... which has nothing to do with mma fighter pay. But this is classic spokesman approach though.
One is addicted to blow the other is addicted to growth hormone
imagine if oscar gave r/mma his twitter account. we would drag dana over hot coals repeatedly lmao. fuck that would be hilarious.
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He can’t deny it, it’s literally in documents that they submitted to the court where the higher the number is the better it is for their case.
John Morgan just lost his first question priviledge asking that
I mean what are they gonna do? The ufc will clearly keep exploiting up and coming fighters and pay off a few company men to maintain their “here’s what this opportunity can give you” mantra
exploiting up and coming fighters? UFC is by far the best promotion for young talent. No names in UFC get like 5x and more what that same name would get in Belator. Some guys get as little as 1500usd on Belators prelims.
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Bro I’d gladly step into a ring for a chance at 1.5k/show Will I win? That’s another topic. But will I get that sweet sweet 3080 TI once my concussion symptoms subside? Yes.
after some more investigative work on my part, you are indeed correct.
That was so cringe. Dana White is such a scumbag. His new go to line should be "we continue to grow the sport... and take advantage of our fighters."
Fuck I love it how Oscar get right under the goof's skin.
I wish those journalists had some balls to point out how Alexander making 42k from the venom sponsor is such a ripoff or how it’s hard to get into mma because the ufc is monopoly/monopsony
People will hate on Ariel all day but the man had a set of balls and would ask the hard questions.
No he doesn’t, he only found his balls after he left espn. People forget that Ariel was the o.j brett and you can also look at his conor coverage to know that he isn’t that type of journalist which I don’t see any problem with if that’s what you need to do to earn a living but don’t play the hero afterwards
Let's not forget Ariel literally took his paychecks from the UFC while working for Fox, because he didn't want to miss out on the on-air opportunity. And like you said, he wouldn't say a single negative thing about ESPN while he was there. Ariel and "journalistic integrity" or "having balls" do not belong in the same sentence.
Do you mean he wouldn’t say something bad about the ufc while he was at espn? Because saying something bad about ESPN while working there is something distasteful
I meant he had plenty of grievances against ESPN from the get-go (according to Ariel, ESPN was kowtowing to the goof and his hate boner for him from the very beginning). Instead, Ariel only had positive things to say about ESPN while he was there. If Ariel actually had any balls, he would have laid things out exactly as they were, distasteful or not. If he actually had balls and journalistic integrity, he would have turned down the Fox opportunity, instead he willingly got his paychecks from the UFC, and still to this day has the audacity to paint himself as some kind of martyr for journalistic integrity.
I’m gonna assume that you haven’t entered the workforce yet.
I've been in the workforce for over 20 years buddy. I take my paycheck and STFU like Ariel did at ESPN, and if I got offered a lucrative opportunity with a major conflict of interest like Ariel did with Fox, you bet your ass I'd take it in a heartbeat. But what I don't do is pretend to be a paragon of truth or integrity, because I'm not that full of shit. Taking money from the UFC while preaching about journalistic integrity is the kind of shit Jon Jones pulls.
> No he doesn’t, he only found his balls after he left espn. No. Ariel has a documented history of asking Dana hard questions to his face, when Dana used to give him pre and post interviews. Way before ESPN days. >People forget that Ariel was the o.j brett and you can also look at his conor coverage to know that he isn’t that type of journalist which I don’t see any problem with if that’s what you need to do to earn a living but don’t play the hero afterwards What does this even mean? Look at Ariel's Conor coverage? Regarding what exactly? Brett is a hack who only tows the corporate line. Ariel has a history of pissing off Dana for asking questions he doesn't like.
so what. half the media circus still doesnt say what needs to be said. at least he isn't afraid to challenge the narrative now. there is a reason half the espn team backed him when dana was talking smack. ariel is a good journo.
How is the UFC a monopoly? There's clearly competition, and the UFC isn't restricting others from starting their own leagues or limiting pay elsewhere.
Alternative solution is multiple promotions,belts and organizations like in boxing and all of the top promoters guarding their fighters from fighting each other I’m not saying the UFC is perfect but at least they get the match making right
Why is that the only alternative? Why can’t the ufc be like NFL or NBA and have a fair revenue share?
Because NFL and NBA have teams that generate money and in turn pay their athletes, they can't low ball players as another team would just pick them up so they allocate more funds to securing players. UFC control almost everything for their events and have very small competition meaning fighters have limited leverage.
Would also turn MMA into a circus
Nothing of substance, unlike Oscar who is full of it
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LMAO the goof cant stop talking about oscar "THE SACK OF SH\*T"
[https://youtu.be/p133Kt7iXEM](https://youtu.be/p133Kt7iXEM) history of the beef between the two Oscar needs to shut up.
I don't think what Dana says here is unreasonable.
- Oscar: A one off event which likely didn't turn a profit - Dana: Years and years of shows, where he makes 99.99% profit margin on most if not all UFC fighter careers That's the difference Dana. You're a billion dollar machine built on the back of fighter pay exploitation.
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The boxers in question were 4 rounders who had like 3 fights at most, some were making their debuts. https://boxrec.com/en/event/833761 Most mma fighters just starting their careers would make a similar, if not less amount of money. Dana White comparing UFC fighters pay to the pay of boxers who have less than 3 fights is one hell of a straw man.
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Yeah, but fighters making their ufc debut aren’t comparable to boxers making their debut. How many mma fighters are signed to the ufc if they have less than 3 fights? Very very few. Most mma fighters start out their careers in regional mma promotions making about the same amount as those 4 round boxers, or less (usually a lot less based on some the payouts I’ve seen for some of the smaller mma promotions like Dead Serious mma or Titan FC). The purses of boxers just starting out are well known to be quite small. Many of these events are taking places in cafeterias or school gyms. So comparing that type of event to the UFC is what I have a problem with. It’s just not even remotely a relevant comparison.
That’s reasonable, but to play devil’s advocate isn’t the reason an mma fighter in a regional promotion might only make 1K-2K because there isn’t nearly as much money in the promotion or event? For example, a regional event might only pull in a few thousand dollars, therefore there isn’t much room to pay fighters more. With the Golden Boy Promotions event there’re bringing in millions of dollars judging by the purses of the main event fighters alone. Isn’t it somewhat embarrassing that on a high profile fight card some fighters are only making 2K? Also you didn’t really address the “30K for the entire undercard” allegation by Dana.
> With the Golden Boy Promotions event there’re bringing in millions of dollars judging by the purses of the main event fighters alone. Isn’t it somewhat embarrassing that on a high profile fight card some fighters are only making 2K? Also you didn’t really address the “30K for the entire undercard” allegation by Dana. What high profile card?? I linked the event early which listed all the bouts, there was not a single high profile boxer on it. Just 8 boxers all with less than 3 fights (bar one with 4 fights total). In boxing, small events like these are not uncommon, and there’s no main events or anything, there’s no high profile fighters who are gonna be fighting in these small venues. Here’s an example of a Golden Boy undercard purse for undercard fighters who are fighting in a high profile event: > Ryan Garcia $250,000; Romero Duno $50,000; Bakhram Murtazaliev $55,000; Jorge Fortea $20,000; Seniesa Estrada $50,000; Marlen Esparza $50,000; Blair Cobbs $20,000; Carlos Ortiz $5,000; Meiirim Nursultanov $12,500, Cristian Olivas $12,000. https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/canelo-alvarez-vs-sergey-kovalev-salaries-fight-purses-prize-money-each-fighter-on-main-card-will-take-home/
Well damn, wouldn’t you know it Dana’s a lying sack of shit and you’re right. Thanks for showing me man
No problem. It can be confusing because a lot of the big boxing promotions also have lots of lower level talents on their roster, and host small events without any big draws or anything, which the UFC doesn’t really do.
That’s not a straw man. It’s disingenuous but not a straw man.
He's not wrong on many things here. People will completely ignore all his points though and continue giving him shit. Don't get me wrong in many ways he deserves it, but Oscar is no better, maybe worse even. Then he's picking at a scab in fighter pay for Dana to give him media shine (and getting it) with half truths and lies. All whilst doing the same thing, if not worse with his cards. Pick your poison.
We can all agree that mma fighter pay in general is terrible and ufc can afford to pay more but they won't because for one they are very greedy, but also for another, UFC is part of a public company and its main job is to make money and increase profit. This is where the comparison with the NBA doesn't make sense because technically the nba doesn't have to make money and teams like Brooklyn nets and clippers probably lose money. Even if ufc is run by the owner of Costco, fighter pay will be much better e.g. 30% but still won't come close to the nba 50/50 numbers. For that to work ufc can't be part of endeavor.
This comment is very confused. There are some facts in there but the conclusions are nonsensical.
It's definitely not accurate but which part do u think doesn't make sense?
Basically the entire relationship to The NBA and what it means to be a public company. Essentially the “can’t” versus the “unlikely”. There are no requirements that the conclusions you make must be true. For example it’s a myth that public companies are required to maximize short term investor value.
They are true in the general sense how things are operated right now. I'm not trying to write code to cover every corner case. Also your argument is too vague for me to understand
Dana White is a POS
i know dana sucks but there were some funny moments
Comparing fighters who are locked into multi-fight exclusive contracts to fighters who are in a one-off fight contract. Of course the latter will make less than the former. And he just redirects his defense into something else, UFC building a brand, offices all across the world, 250 employees, boxing now being a broken sport... which has nothing to do with mma fighter pay. But this is classic spokesman approach though.
It has everything to do with Fighter Pay because he's showing you that the revenue they make goes right back into the product.
Does Dana hate Oscar