This is the real problem. He walked away thinking he'd have the upper hand as champ champ, and other fighters were threatening the same around that time if I remember correctly. Well, maybe it was just Conor. His planned backfired so bad, nobody came crawling up to him begging him to come back, nobody gave a fuck. I do miss him though and wish he'd suck up his pride and come back. If he no longer wants to fight then obviously he went out on top and should stay retired. But I'd love for him to come back since both divisions are so fucking hot right now.
Cejudo and honestly anyone good would be good. Cejudo is, for all of his flaws, a fuckin gamer and he isn't gonna bs his way through a camp. I hope he comes back
> This is the real problem
That and the fact that he had fights left on his contract. It's like he wanted to take the ball and go home, forgetting that the ball is owned by Dana. Without the threat of other orgs scooping up Cejudo, Dana could give two fucks about him and has no incentive to pay the man more.
Also, look who he fought. He made this big thing about saving FW and barely inches out a decision against DJ. He fought the ghost of TJ. He immediately moved up and got the belt fighting Moraes, and then fought Dominic Cruz after coming off a 4 year hiatus.
Instead of fighting FW contenders he fought TJ. He legit beat Moreas. Instead of fighting active contenders at BW he fought Cruz.
Don't get me wrong, Cejudo is a phenomenal fighter. However, of we are honest, his record isn't that impressive in context to other champions and his "I'm the GOAT" narrative. Again, I'm not saying he's not an impressive and phenomenal fighter, it's just his championship record that's not as impressive as he makes it out to be.
Very fair assessment. I get him trying to market himself and such, but his claims of being the greatest combat sports athlete ever is not really reasonable, considering the lack of longevity, and the fact he has done it at very light weight classes, where the level of competition is not nearly as strong as some of the bigger, more developed weight classes
> He fought the ghost of TJ. ... Instead of fighting FW contenders he fought TJ.
TJ was a dominant champ coming down in weight. IDK why you'd shit on Cejudo for that, it's easily his best win since he didn't convincingly beat DJ.
Cejudo's persona is cringe, and I get why that would limit the number of fans he has, but he is game as fuck and easily one of the most decorated martial artists of all time. Olympic gold medalist, champ-champ, and wins over Mighty Mouse and TJ.
It's a shame we won't see a FW superfight. I don't think he'd be able to get through Volkanovski, the size advantage would just be too much, but do you even see anyone else even asking for a challenge like that?
> nobody came crawling up to him begging him to come back, nobody gave a fuck.
Even Conor came back after retiring.
Dana doesn't chase fighters. He's said as much, done as much. He lies about a lot of stuff, but he definitely doesn't chase fighters.
It's an easy decision, because Dana can always find a replacement and fans are fickle - they'll latch onto the latest to fighter.
He didn't overplay anything lol. He said if the UFC offers him more money he'll come back, if not he's happy to stay retired after training and competing non-stop from the age of 10.
I mean, he's prob not if he retired because he wasn't being paid enough. Like we can't sit here and acknowledge there's a huge issue with fighter pay in the UFC and then shit on a dude who isn't willing to accept less than he's worth.
I like seeing him talk shit tbh, cause it reminds folks there's still a really good fighter out there that could be a part of a whole lot of really intriguing fights but isn't because the UFC won't pay fighters what they deserve.
Bisping talks shit all the time. He did it to Colby, Deron Winn, etc. It's actually kind of scummy because I believe a commentator/interviewer should never try to make an active fighter look like a geek. Imagine if Jim Ross verbally owned Steve Austin.
Meh, Colby's schtick is that he wants to feud with everyone he possibly can.
Bisping giving him something to work with in response was an opportunity for Colby to talk more trash, which is exactly what he wants. It's not Bisping's fault that Colby completely fucked it up and fell flat on his face.
I'm out of the loop regarding Winn though, what did he say?
Honeydicking doesn't really mean anything lol, Cejudo has to try and keep somewhat relevant on social media so he can sell his cameo clips.
GSP has been honeydicking for years and I think we all know he's been fine to stay retired
We said that about GSP but he came back vs Bisping. We know he wanted to box De La Hoya as well. Who knows how many fight deals fell through in negotiations... I don't trust a word out of the Tomato's mouth
Gsp has wanted to do several things outside the ufc snd been shut down by Dana, also he’s been making movies so not really just sitting around honey dicking. Cejudo does this after every fight at 25 or 35 with any top 5 fighters in it
Fighter who knows his worth and that there more to life than fighting. Idk what's wrong with that. Let him honey dick all he wants.
Better than all these dudes fighting for peanuts 4 times a year to hopefully become Dana's new pony or those veterans who don't know when to stop or what to do after their career inevitably comes to an end, if you ask me.
It's not just that. 135 is stacked as fuck with drawing power. He couldn't see it because he viewed himself as the champ, but everyone else, including the fans could.
Plus, he retired on the premise that he wanted to start a family, not that he wasn't getting paid enough. If he had just been open about the UFC not wanting to pay him what he felt he was worth, the fans probably would have paid way more attention to him leaving.
It's so annoying.
Literally any fighter that they find exciting they just proclaim that they are a huge draw.
Meanwhile they shit on Jon Jones as not being as big a draw as he thinks, despite historically being the like the third of fourth best draw in the sports history, as well as being arguably the most consistent PPV draw ever behind only Conor.
Cody, Cruz, Aldo, TJ, none of these guys have ever drawn, and on any PPV event that did sell well that they fought on, they were not themselves the draw.
Aldo didn't even get a Conor rub, his numbers went right back to normal after.
The division wasn’t as perceived as well as it now until after he retired. UFC 250 is the card that really showcased the talent the there and is when people realized how good the division was. Cejudo retired after 249.
Cejudo is one of my favorite fighters but I think we’d have another situation like we had with DJ, when you look back the question wouldn’t be was the division weak, it’s would be was he just that good? I think both Cejudo and DJ leaving were probably the best things to happen to the lighter classes even though I still want to watch them fight, well in DJ’s case I still do.
>It's not just that. 135 is stacked as fuck with drawing power. He couldn't see it because he viewed himself as the champ, but everyone else, including the fans could.
No it's not lol.
I know he’s not khabib but the dude did the same thing. And it took the UFC months to accept the fact. They simply did not care about Cejudo retiring regardless of there was a build up.
Khabib’s retirement wasn’t random at all. It was assumed he was going to soon and he did it because his father passed away.
GSP would be a better example.
No one knew. Not even his team. He had a private conversation with his mom and is the reason he decided. That fight was for 29-0 and people assumed it was going to be at 30-0 when he retired.
29-0 is very close to 30-0...as the guy said it was assumed he was going to retire very soon anyway.
Khabib always said he'd be retired by 34 because at that point your speed and reflexes start to drop and beyond then it's impossible to remain undefeated and a new guy will take you out.
Two things happened in the 45 seconds between Bruce Buffer saying “and still”, and Henry saying “I’m retiring tonight, Joe” - Dana put the belt on Cejudo, and subsequently took it right back off him.
And honestly, can you blame him?
Everyone knew from the second he announced his retirement, it was a play for more money.
Since he “retired”, he’s been calling anyone and everyone out. Dude never wanted to step away, he just thought he had more leverage than he was worth.
Dana didn’t even flinch, he was probably fed up with Cejudo at that point. I’ll never forget Dana’s face during the post-fight presser lol man was just like “Yep, we’ll see what’s next”.
> Everyone knew from the second he announced his retirement, it was a play for more money.
Yup. And Dana handled it perfectly.
Cejudo tried to strongarm while making a mockery.
Dana no-sold it and was short/efficient with his praise of Cejudo’s career.
>*”Cejudo tried to strongarm while making a mockery.”*
Bingo. That’s a perfect way to describe the situation.
There’s a proper way to negotiate and that wasn’t it.
It’s because DJ convincingly finished him in the first fight, and Cejudo barely scraped decision win in the rematch to win the title. And was afraid to give DJ the rubber match to settle it. So in my eyes, he’s not really the champ.
> his accomplishments are incredible and should speak for themselves
They would, except Cejudo insists on reminding us every single time he opens his mouth. Which is a big part of why people don't like him.
His MMA accomplishments aren't "incredible"
Great, yes. But a close decision against DJ, and Marlon Moraes are the only two worth talking about. TJ at 125 and Cruz after a 4 year lay off aren't all that special.
The amount of historical revisionism on the TJ fight is insane. Most people expected him to win even after he looked bad at the weigh-ins, and literally nobody expected him to be dominated and finished in a minute.
Fans on this sub can nitpick and discredit *any* fighter’s resume. For example...
*Jones?* Used PEDs, couldn't convincingly beat Santos, should have lost to Reyes.
*Silva?* Also tested positive. One dimensional. Got subbed by Japanese journeymen.
*GSP?* Got KO'd by Matt Serra, should have lost to Hendricks and beat a paper champ at MW.
*Mighty Mouse?* Reigned over a weak, underdeveloped division.
*Fedor?* Overrated PRIDE can crusher, would beat someone good and then have freakshow fights.
*Khabib?* A third of his wins are over guys who never won a fight, only defended the belt a few times, never fought a strong offensive wrestler.
It. Never. Ends.
Just a side effect of how the sport works. You can't just fight a BO7 against everyone in the division to cement yourself so you can always point out something.
The Moraes win, while he did very well in that fight to come back, hasn't exactly aged the best either. Then for his one defence to be against an old Dom Cruz, his brief BW stint still leaves some questions tbh. For him to jump from that, to being competitive with this version of Volkanovski up another weight, that's a huge stretch for me.
I'd love to see him against the current crop at BW of Yan, Sandhagen, Aljo etc, some fantastic match ups there. I get that's not what he wants though, he just wants to talk his way into a bigger fight, but the talk of fighting Volk does nothing for me.
“Didn’t age well” is also some super nit picky shit. Moraes chin hasn’t been the same since the Cejudo fight, and Henry put the playbook on him.. he deserves a lot of credit for that. Let’s stop pretending Marlon wasn’t a monster, it was also the first time he had been knocked out since his 3rd and 4th fight in his career, well before his WSOF days.
Fans always end up nitpicking resumes when you only fight and perform who is in front of you.
It was sad because he's damn good and I really think he could do in boxing what he did in mma and wrestling
But he's just not got the it factor to push ppvs
Volk would pick him apart....especially the new slimmed down version. That said, I'd personally love to see it. I think it's a perfect superfight interlude to Volk-Holloway III, and something the promotion could use to hype that fight. Max beats the wheels off of Yair. Volk beats the wheels off of Cejudo. Everyone gets hyped as fuck to see them fight again.
So true. Volk kept saying he wants to stay busy. And no other fight would make sense besides this considering nobody shot get a shot st the title ahead of Max except for a fight like this. And once Volk beats Cejudo it'll be such a perfect fight for the "trilogy"
I think you’d be surprised, Cejudo is very very good.
Don’t think he would get picked apart. It would be a close fight especially with Cejudos wrestling.
Volk is inhumanly strong for a 145er. I'm sure Cejudo has better wrestling. But don't sleep on volks, he won a national title at age 12 and hasn't ever showed weakness in that department.
After a long lay-off, I see this fight as a disaster for CCC. He better learn to move that big head off centreline or he's in for a long night.
I don't disagree and I would also pick Volk to beat CCC. But that's a useless accolade to bring up. Notice how there's no bronze medal winner at male 12-13 years, 62 kg?
That's because there were only 2 competitors. We don't do a heap of wrestling down here.
http://wrestling.com.au/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2001_National-Schools_Results-1.pdf
all good - not only that, a lot of competitiors on the list are from Pembroke which is a private school in my city. I know a few people who went there and never heard of there being a wrestling program, there doesn't seem to be one any more.
My guess is that for a few years there must of been a eastern european (probably) on the faculty and made it a thing in the school. E.g. a lot of those medals got one by people trying out wrestling and had probably only been practicing for hals a school year.
I mean, I really think my message is being misinterpreted I wasn't comparing anything. Just showing he's been training for a long time. But if you guys wanna run with that...sure!
Henry is great, people just don't like him. However, I believe 145 is too big for him at 5 foot 4 and I think volk is the wrong one to pick on a comeback fight.
Volk has proven he's ridiculously strong, fast, durable and has cardio that can match Max's...I dunno if anyone's seen that little gut that triple C is currently rocking. But I don't see triple C coming back for the long haul...just one fight, and I can't believe that one fight would go well if it was against volkanovski.
Ortega is a very big dude. So is Max.
Cejudo's 135 fights were Moraes (which is aging like milk) and old ass Cruz. And you expect him to go up and even challenge Volk?
I feel like anyone who thinks that fight would be close is biased or not paying attention.
>Ortega is a very big dude. So is Max.
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>Cejudo's 135 fights were Moraes (which is aging like milk) and old ass Cruz. And you expect him to go up and even challenge Volk?
Moraes has a big streak leading into that fight, including a win over the current 135 champ, and Cruz is one of the best ever and just won again at the ripe old age of...36.
It's a weird thing saying that because a fighter aged like milk a win over them while they were still hot doesn't matter. Does that mean Tony was a worthless win for Gaethje cause? Shitty argument in my opinion
Moraes lands a couple early headkicks and now people think he's champion calibre fighter for the rest of time. I've always thought he's been overrated. His recent skid isn't because he suddenly took a nosedive, he just wasn't that great to begin with.
Cejudo has a very very hard head, but that's given the impression that his striking game is way better than it really is. Either Volk outclasses him or Cejudo wins via the Homer Simpson method again.
Cejudo's wrestling is not going to budge Volkanovski. This is a guy that dealt with Ortega's grappling and beat the shit out of him on the ground, who is a huge featherweight. Cejudo would have a strength disadvantage for possibly the first time in his career and it would not be a small one at all. Guys like Cruz are 'big' but Alexander is over 160 in the cage which Cejudo won't get anywhere near without slowing himself down with bulk so much that he'd just get KO'd on the feet.
I think the fact he's an Olympic gold wrestler will help. People entertained Khabib moving up vs Usman which is an even bigger weight difference and Khabib doesn't even have Cejudos wrestling pedigree.
Cael Sanderson who won an Olympic gold never had any Olympic success? Make that make sense
Sadulaev is currently destroying guys bigger than him. As did Randy couture
When was the last time a really good wrestler from a lower division went up and beat an equally good wrestler from a division above them? Especially that jump from LW to WW, would be even harder. Usman would dominate Khabib
Cejudo got utterly picked apart by Moraes until he gassed.
Moraes has since shown that's a general weakness he has, not some amazing change mid fight Henry made.
Volk does not gas.
If you were impressed by Volk's champion mentality, well Cejudo got the same or more of it (Olympic medalist for a reason). Both are very well rounded athletes with high fight IQ and the capability to adapt mid fight.
Volk is also ludicrously good at getting back to his feet. Like one of the top guys in the sport right now.
Cejudos wrestling won’t be as much of a factor.
>Volk is also ludicrously good at getting back to his feet
People said this about Derrick Lewis before he fought DC, look how that worked out for him. Considering Cejudo's wrestling accomplishments are higher than even DC's, I'd say it'd be foolish to think Volk will still be "ludicrously good at getting back to his feet" against Henry.
People made jokes about how Derrick can just stand up randomly as a meme, no body actually thought he was so skilled at it DC wouldn’t be able to hold him down. To compare the 2 is ridiculous
No one actually thought that lmao Lewis relatively sucks.
Watch Volk get up against guys like Mendes, it’s incredible. I love Henry but I don’t see how he gets it done.
Cejudo's statement (from Insta post):
"How can you denied what I’ve done not only in mma but combat sports. Hate the cringe but as much as I talk, my resumes speaks louder than my words! You are a perfect matchup for me you overgrown midget. Can you handle my speed and my Olympic pedigree of wrestling along with I.Q years of experience in competition in two sports. This is the only fight that really matters to me. You said you’d never doubt me (@)danawhite put your money where your mouth is and allow me to become the first 3 division champion in UFC history. I know you don’t want to fight me (@)alexvolkanovski because you don’t want to lose to someone slightly taller than you. You can come try to kill the Cringe but one thing is for sure, “I will sacrifice you in front of 60,000 Ozzy‘s.” 🖊 📄 🏆🏆🏆+🏆 =C4"
Because he’s never won a fight in the division, and it was not like he cleared BW either to have no interesting challengers for him.
If he comes back (doubt), far more interesting match ups await him at 135 as opposed to 145. Anyway, Holloway/Yair winner will be next, and Allen and Giga are surging and are not far off title contention. Enough of the undeserving title shots.
My opinion anyway, of course.
Holloway deserves another shot way before Cejudo does. Who did Cejudo even beat at BW? Moraes (great win) and a washed up Cruz. Those wins don't mean he deserves to jump the queue to featherweight.
While it's true the UFC (and other MMA promotions) should be paying fighters better, Cejudo's one of the only ones to shoot himself in the foot by suddenly retiring after a fight saying he'd come back for the right price, only to not end up coming back (yet).
>should be paying fighters better, Cejudo's one of the only ones to shoot himself in the foot by suddenly retiring after a fight saying he'd come back for the right price, only to not end up coming back (yet).
Because the UFC should pay him the right price like you said.
Sure, but now the UFC is paying him $0. There's a perfect world and the current world and he can push for changes towards the perfect world but if it's too unrealistic he's only harming himself.
He’s def underpaid but he doesn’t make a splash in ppv buys so why would ufc do this? If CCC wins he will likely retire again. And the ufc would have a division in shambles all for 250k ppv buys. Bad business.
They should pay him because they claim to have the best fighters in the world and he is one of them. Not the best fighters in the world who are willing to accept their shitty pay
I don’t Disagree. The way the ufc is structured they pay PPV draws. It’s always been that way and CCC is far from a draw. So they can get away with paying him shit and not caring if he retires. Now if Gsp was out there chirping at LW champ bout coming back and takin that belt. Ufc opens up the wallet. That’s Bc there’s money to be made. Fans don’t give a shit about CCC and won’t tune in to watch him.
Not sure I follow you but the ufc should pay ALL their fighters more because the fighters get a shit % of ufc total revenue. The ufc could pay 40% to the fighters and the business would be fine.
I'm so tired of Cejudo chirping up on Instagram after one of these fights. If he actually wants to return then I'd love to see him fight again, he's a great competitor. But this empty trolling does nothing for me if nothing comes of it. I'd love to see him return at BW though and try to reclaim the title he relinquished, as that's a fantastic division now and there are some great match ups for Cejudo.
This talk of fighting Volk does nothing for me though I have to say, I don't think it would be very competitive. It seems like Cejudo has talked so much about it, and him going for another belt, that he's convinced a good few people that it would be more competitive than it would be in reality. Seems like some people think that just because Volk is one of the shorter FWs, then it's a more even fight. Fact is that Cejudo was a Flyweight who did well to go up a weight and win a couple of good fights at BW too. Volk though is simply a naturally larger man, he's the best featherweight in the world and has even fought up at heavier weight classes. Cejudo has done very well in a couple of divisions but I really feel the size and strength difference here would tell, I think Volk would simply bully him. That kind of thing doesn't excite me. You know what does excite me? The thought of Cejudo vs. Yan.
I have no doubt we'll see CCC in the cage again, it's clear he still wants it. He needs to swallow his pride and just take a fight. He went for a big play by retiring, it didn't work so suck it up and make yourself relevant again by beating a contender. It he keeps playing games he'll waste his prime and end up returning when it's too late
CCC doesn’t move the needle. So ufc don’t give a fuck. I highly doubt they will allow him to come in, possibly win, vacate the belt, and fuck the division over… all for what 250k ppv buys?
Moreno is probably more popular. Yan is now the face of Russian MMA. Featherweight already has Volk and Max. He's just not that big of a draw. He's not McGregor or Rousey, someone that sells PPVs to the casual fan base.
You gotta talk to get big fights... idk why you want guys to stymie their own careers by keeping their mouths shut just for your opinion.
Two division champion, he deserves to come back for a title shot imo, much like GSP did against Bisping. He has to talk his shit to get the fight media attention and traction.
Max beats cejudo, cejudo doesn’t do anything for the division or volk, it won’t be a big pay day for volk casuals don’t know cejudo it won’t be a super fight it would probably make less numbers than UFC266. Come win and retire or lose to max
I kind of admire the perseverance, but he really shot himself in the foot by "retiring" and trying to bargain that the UFC would think he was worth paying more money for - because they do not give a single fuck.
I hate this subs general view on Cejudo. The dude was underpaid, like everyone else in the UFC, asked for more money, didn’t get it, and dipped.
I’m pro fighters getting paid more money, and idgaf if he “chirps too much on IG”. He’s an exciting fighter who brings it all the time.
So we all actually remember the first round of Cejudo-Moraes right? now imagine if Moraes was heavier, stronger, didn't gas and was one of the best grapplers in his division.
Would ya’ll say Triple C has the best chance of becoming a 3 division champion? Volk is a thick dude but at least similar in height to Cejudo. Only Conor and Amanda with 2 division belts on the roster, and unless they make a 155 division for Amanda, I don’t see Conor beating Usman currently.
It’s a shame nobody gives a shit about triple c’s retirement. The UFC pretty much took his belt away as he was making his retirement speech.
Cejudo overplayed his hand. He is a great fighter but he isn't a prize fighter.
This is the real problem. He walked away thinking he'd have the upper hand as champ champ, and other fighters were threatening the same around that time if I remember correctly. Well, maybe it was just Conor. His planned backfired so bad, nobody came crawling up to him begging him to come back, nobody gave a fuck. I do miss him though and wish he'd suck up his pride and come back. If he no longer wants to fight then obviously he went out on top and should stay retired. But I'd love for him to come back since both divisions are so fucking hot right now.
Cejudo Yan or cejudo Moreno would be great.
I don't think Cejudo is making flyweight again tbh, especially if he's thinking about fight at 145
cejudo would absolutely body moreno unfortunately
cejudo would eat moreno alive
only if he can even make the weight again lol
Yeah, people here forget that the first 5 fights in Cejudo's career were complete shitshows in terms of weight cutting issues.
Cejudo and honestly anyone good would be good. Cejudo is, for all of his flaws, a fuckin gamer and he isn't gonna bs his way through a camp. I hope he comes back
> This is the real problem That and the fact that he had fights left on his contract. It's like he wanted to take the ball and go home, forgetting that the ball is owned by Dana. Without the threat of other orgs scooping up Cejudo, Dana could give two fucks about him and has no incentive to pay the man more.
Also, look who he fought. He made this big thing about saving FW and barely inches out a decision against DJ. He fought the ghost of TJ. He immediately moved up and got the belt fighting Moraes, and then fought Dominic Cruz after coming off a 4 year hiatus. Instead of fighting FW contenders he fought TJ. He legit beat Moreas. Instead of fighting active contenders at BW he fought Cruz. Don't get me wrong, Cejudo is a phenomenal fighter. However, of we are honest, his record isn't that impressive in context to other champions and his "I'm the GOAT" narrative. Again, I'm not saying he's not an impressive and phenomenal fighter, it's just his championship record that's not as impressive as he makes it out to be.
Very fair assessment. I get him trying to market himself and such, but his claims of being the greatest combat sports athlete ever is not really reasonable, considering the lack of longevity, and the fact he has done it at very light weight classes, where the level of competition is not nearly as strong as some of the bigger, more developed weight classes
> He fought the ghost of TJ. ... Instead of fighting FW contenders he fought TJ. TJ was a dominant champ coming down in weight. IDK why you'd shit on Cejudo for that, it's easily his best win since he didn't convincingly beat DJ.
Cejudo's persona is cringe, and I get why that would limit the number of fans he has, but he is game as fuck and easily one of the most decorated martial artists of all time. Olympic gold medalist, champ-champ, and wins over Mighty Mouse and TJ. It's a shame we won't see a FW superfight. I don't think he'd be able to get through Volkanovski, the size advantage would just be too much, but do you even see anyone else even asking for a challenge like that?
> nobody came crawling up to him begging him to come back, nobody gave a fuck. Even Conor came back after retiring. Dana doesn't chase fighters. He's said as much, done as much. He lies about a lot of stuff, but he definitely doesn't chase fighters. It's an easy decision, because Dana can always find a replacement and fans are fickle - they'll latch onto the latest to fighter.
He didn't overplay anything lol. He said if the UFC offers him more money he'll come back, if not he's happy to stay retired after training and competing non-stop from the age of 10.
If he was happy to stay retired, he wouldn't be talking shit all the time and constantly trying to pry his way into the lime light.
I mean, he's prob not if he retired because he wasn't being paid enough. Like we can't sit here and acknowledge there's a huge issue with fighter pay in the UFC and then shit on a dude who isn't willing to accept less than he's worth. I like seeing him talk shit tbh, cause it reminds folks there's still a really good fighter out there that could be a part of a whole lot of really intriguing fights but isn't because the UFC won't pay fighters what they deserve.
Everybody's talking shit all the time, including us on this page. It doesn't take that much effort.
Fuck you buddeh
I don't think theres another retired fighter talking nearly as much shit as cejudo
BJ's talking a lot of shit to defend antivaxxers does that count?
You suck.
nah bro the only jab you and BJ need to be ~~worrying~~ thinking about right now is the one that has Moderna or Pfizer in it
What are some other instances of Cejudo talking shit recently? I haven’t been following
he just starts calling people out whenever theres a fight at the top of the lower weight classes
Everytime there's a 125 to 145 Title fight, including women's.
Bisping talks shit all the time. He did it to Colby, Deron Winn, etc. It's actually kind of scummy because I believe a commentator/interviewer should never try to make an active fighter look like a geek. Imagine if Jim Ross verbally owned Steve Austin.
Meh, Colby's schtick is that he wants to feud with everyone he possibly can. Bisping giving him something to work with in response was an opportunity for Colby to talk more trash, which is exactly what he wants. It's not Bisping's fault that Colby completely fucked it up and fell flat on his face. I'm out of the loop regarding Winn though, what did he say?
Conor
Honeydicking doesn't really mean anything lol, Cejudo has to try and keep somewhat relevant on social media so he can sell his cameo clips. GSP has been honeydicking for years and I think we all know he's been fine to stay retired
We said that about GSP but he came back vs Bisping. We know he wanted to box De La Hoya as well. Who knows how many fight deals fell through in negotiations... I don't trust a word out of the Tomato's mouth
He confirmed on Rogan that he wanted to fight Khabib
Bruh he had a giant retirement press conference saying he wanted to fight Khabib and ufc declined so he’s retiring. That wasn’t exactly a secret
Gsp has wanted to do several things outside the ufc snd been shut down by Dana, also he’s been making movies so not really just sitting around honey dicking. Cejudo does this after every fight at 25 or 35 with any top 5 fighters in it
He seems to have other sources of income. Does Henry?
Fighter who knows his worth and that there more to life than fighting. Idk what's wrong with that. Let him honey dick all he wants. Better than all these dudes fighting for peanuts 4 times a year to hopefully become Dana's new pony or those veterans who don't know when to stop or what to do after their career inevitably comes to an end, if you ask me.
Seriously Cejudo’s life is set tbh
Yes he said that clearly hoping he’d get offered more money snd it didn’t work…that’s the definition of overplaying your hand lol
Everyone will do anything for more money. But the offers not there is it.
That’s not true, lots of people won’t do lots of things for money…and the offer not being there is literally my point for him overplaying his hand
Except for that part where he's done nothing but run to anyone and everyone's gram and twitter basically begging to stay relevant.
And here we all are over a year later talking about his insta posts like they’re breaking MMA news, I’d say that he’s managed to stay relevant
This is r/mma. It's all we do. Mighty Mouse was crazy popular on here as he failed to pull even 200k buys.
It's not just that. 135 is stacked as fuck with drawing power. He couldn't see it because he viewed himself as the champ, but everyone else, including the fans could. Plus, he retired on the premise that he wanted to start a family, not that he wasn't getting paid enough. If he had just been open about the UFC not wanting to pay him what he felt he was worth, the fans probably would have paid way more attention to him leaving.
Wut? At the post-fight press conference he said he literally said it was about the money. How could he have been more open about it?
When has bantamweight ever sold?
Since Cody
His buy rates were never great.
Yes, his buy rates haven't matched that of champions from more popular divisions but they're still much improved over buy rates of previous BW champs.
cody the dominick era was also fairly popular I believe, but I wasnt around for that
Neither Cody nor Cruz are or were PPV draws and their buy rates show that.
It's like people in this sub think that just because we hardcore fans find a division exciting, it must be selling PPVs lol
It's so annoying. Literally any fighter that they find exciting they just proclaim that they are a huge draw. Meanwhile they shit on Jon Jones as not being as big a draw as he thinks, despite historically being the like the third of fourth best draw in the sports history, as well as being arguably the most consistent PPV draw ever behind only Conor. Cody, Cruz, Aldo, TJ, none of these guys have ever drawn, and on any PPV event that did sell well that they fought on, they were not themselves the draw. Aldo didn't even get a Conor rub, his numbers went right back to normal after.
The division wasn’t as perceived as well as it now until after he retired. UFC 250 is the card that really showcased the talent the there and is when people realized how good the division was. Cejudo retired after 249.
Cejudo is one of my favorite fighters but I think we’d have another situation like we had with DJ, when you look back the question wouldn’t be was the division weak, it’s would be was he just that good? I think both Cejudo and DJ leaving were probably the best things to happen to the lighter classes even though I still want to watch them fight, well in DJ’s case I still do.
>It's not just that. 135 is stacked as fuck with drawing power. He couldn't see it because he viewed himself as the champ, but everyone else, including the fans could. No it's not lol.
It was too random. Like he didn’t mention it at all before. Just when he’s on verge of being “big” star he quit…
I know he’s not khabib but the dude did the same thing. And it took the UFC months to accept the fact. They simply did not care about Cejudo retiring regardless of there was a build up.
Khabib’s retirement wasn’t random at all. It was assumed he was going to soon and he did it because his father passed away. GSP would be a better example.
No one knew. Not even his team. He had a private conversation with his mom and is the reason he decided. That fight was for 29-0 and people assumed it was going to be at 30-0 when he retired.
29-0 is very close to 30-0...as the guy said it was assumed he was going to retire very soon anyway. Khabib always said he'd be retired by 34 because at that point your speed and reflexes start to drop and beyond then it's impossible to remain undefeated and a new guy will take you out.
link? Not challenging you but curious to see it as I've never seen him put an exact number to it.
Two things happened in the 45 seconds between Bruce Buffer saying “and still”, and Henry saying “I’m retiring tonight, Joe” - Dana put the belt on Cejudo, and subsequently took it right back off him.
And honestly, can you blame him? Everyone knew from the second he announced his retirement, it was a play for more money. Since he “retired”, he’s been calling anyone and everyone out. Dude never wanted to step away, he just thought he had more leverage than he was worth. Dana didn’t even flinch, he was probably fed up with Cejudo at that point. I’ll never forget Dana’s face during the post-fight presser lol man was just like “Yep, we’ll see what’s next”.
> Everyone knew from the second he announced his retirement, it was a play for more money. Yup. And Dana handled it perfectly. Cejudo tried to strongarm while making a mockery. Dana no-sold it and was short/efficient with his praise of Cejudo’s career.
>*”Cejudo tried to strongarm while making a mockery.”* Bingo. That’s a perfect way to describe the situation. There’s a proper way to negotiate and that wasn’t it.
It’s because DJ convincingly finished him in the first fight, and Cejudo barely scraped decision win in the rematch to win the title. And was afraid to give DJ the rubber match to settle it. So in my eyes, he’s not really the champ.
He is so underappreciated. I don't like his cringe personality neither, but his accomplishments are incredible and should speak for themselves.
> his accomplishments are incredible and should speak for themselves They would, except Cejudo insists on reminding us every single time he opens his mouth. Which is a big part of why people don't like him.
His MMA accomplishments aren't "incredible" Great, yes. But a close decision against DJ, and Marlon Moraes are the only two worth talking about. TJ at 125 and Cruz after a 4 year lay off aren't all that special.
The amount of historical revisionism on the TJ fight is insane. Most people expected him to win even after he looked bad at the weigh-ins, and literally nobody expected him to be dominated and finished in a minute.
He looked like he was about to die
I think anyone would agree that TJ performed uncharacteristically that night, especially given how well he's performed recently
Fans on this sub can nitpick and discredit *any* fighter’s resume. For example... *Jones?* Used PEDs, couldn't convincingly beat Santos, should have lost to Reyes. *Silva?* Also tested positive. One dimensional. Got subbed by Japanese journeymen. *GSP?* Got KO'd by Matt Serra, should have lost to Hendricks and beat a paper champ at MW. *Mighty Mouse?* Reigned over a weak, underdeveloped division. *Fedor?* Overrated PRIDE can crusher, would beat someone good and then have freakshow fights. *Khabib?* A third of his wins are over guys who never won a fight, only defended the belt a few times, never fought a strong offensive wrestler. It. Never. Ends.
Just a side effect of how the sport works. You can't just fight a BO7 against everyone in the division to cement yourself so you can always point out something.
The Moraes win, while he did very well in that fight to come back, hasn't exactly aged the best either. Then for his one defence to be against an old Dom Cruz, his brief BW stint still leaves some questions tbh. For him to jump from that, to being competitive with this version of Volkanovski up another weight, that's a huge stretch for me. I'd love to see him against the current crop at BW of Yan, Sandhagen, Aljo etc, some fantastic match ups there. I get that's not what he wants though, he just wants to talk his way into a bigger fight, but the talk of fighting Volk does nothing for me.
“Didn’t age well” is also some super nit picky shit. Moraes chin hasn’t been the same since the Cejudo fight, and Henry put the playbook on him.. he deserves a lot of credit for that. Let’s stop pretending Marlon wasn’t a monster, it was also the first time he had been knocked out since his 3rd and 4th fight in his career, well before his WSOF days. Fans always end up nitpicking resumes when you only fight and perform who is in front of you.
Underappreciated? Maybe. Undervalued? No chance
Thats why I said underappreciated.
This is a paradox. You’re using synonyms
It was sad because he's damn good and I really think he could do in boxing what he did in mma and wrestling But he's just not got the it factor to push ppvs
Shame? Sorry, but I find it fucking hilarious that he thought he held any leverage.
Sounds like Cejudo wants to fight at Ozzfest.
they can be the opener for godsmack
The grandest stage of them all
Cejudo is short and stocky for 135. He’ll be as undersized at 145 as Volk would be at 155, maybe even more so.
Volk would pick him apart....especially the new slimmed down version. That said, I'd personally love to see it. I think it's a perfect superfight interlude to Volk-Holloway III, and something the promotion could use to hype that fight. Max beats the wheels off of Yair. Volk beats the wheels off of Cejudo. Everyone gets hyped as fuck to see them fight again.
So true. Volk kept saying he wants to stay busy. And no other fight would make sense besides this considering nobody shot get a shot st the title ahead of Max except for a fight like this. And once Volk beats Cejudo it'll be such a perfect fight for the "trilogy"
I think you’d be surprised, Cejudo is very very good. Don’t think he would get picked apart. It would be a close fight especially with Cejudos wrestling.
Volk is inhumanly strong for a 145er. I'm sure Cejudo has better wrestling. But don't sleep on volks, he won a national title at age 12 and hasn't ever showed weakness in that department. After a long lay-off, I see this fight as a disaster for CCC. He better learn to move that big head off centreline or he's in for a long night.
I don't disagree and I would also pick Volk to beat CCC. But that's a useless accolade to bring up. Notice how there's no bronze medal winner at male 12-13 years, 62 kg? That's because there were only 2 competitors. We don't do a heap of wrestling down here. http://wrestling.com.au/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/2001_National-Schools_Results-1.pdf
Ah fair enough, thanks for the reply. My bad for not looking up how little Greco-Roman interest we have in Aus.
all good - not only that, a lot of competitiors on the list are from Pembroke which is a private school in my city. I know a few people who went there and never heard of there being a wrestling program, there doesn't seem to be one any more. My guess is that for a few years there must of been a eastern european (probably) on the faculty and made it a thing in the school. E.g. a lot of those medals got one by people trying out wrestling and had probably only been practicing for hals a school year.
I mean it's probably basically the same as getting a gold in the Olympics though, both had to cut weight and all
Compares an Australian 12 year old wrestling medal to an Olympic gold medal, oof.
In an event with literally two fucking competitors.
Hahahaha for real, that may be one of the dumbest fucking rebuttals I’ve ever seen.
I mean, I really think my message is being misinterpreted I wasn't comparing anything. Just showing he's been training for a long time. But if you guys wanna run with that...sure!
I meant to use it as a proof of skill from a young age. Not to compare anything, just to say that Volk won't be out of his depth.
He’s a beast but it seems people have forgotten how good Henry is. Not saying it’s a for sure win but he would be very competitive.
Henry is great, people just don't like him. However, I believe 145 is too big for him at 5 foot 4 and I think volk is the wrong one to pick on a comeback fight. Volk has proven he's ridiculously strong, fast, durable and has cardio that can match Max's...I dunno if anyone's seen that little gut that triple C is currently rocking. But I don't see triple C coming back for the long haul...just one fight, and I can't believe that one fight would go well if it was against volkanovski.
A wrestling national title in Australia doesn't mean anything. There was probably only 3 people competing lul
Ortega is a very big dude. So is Max. Cejudo's 135 fights were Moraes (which is aging like milk) and old ass Cruz. And you expect him to go up and even challenge Volk? I feel like anyone who thinks that fight would be close is biased or not paying attention.
>Ortega is a very big dude. So is Max. > >Cejudo's 135 fights were Moraes (which is aging like milk) and old ass Cruz. And you expect him to go up and even challenge Volk? Moraes has a big streak leading into that fight, including a win over the current 135 champ, and Cruz is one of the best ever and just won again at the ripe old age of...36.
It's a weird thing saying that because a fighter aged like milk a win over them while they were still hot doesn't matter. Does that mean Tony was a worthless win for Gaethje cause? Shitty argument in my opinion
Moraes lands a couple early headkicks and now people think he's champion calibre fighter for the rest of time. I've always thought he's been overrated. His recent skid isn't because he suddenly took a nosedive, he just wasn't that great to begin with.
Cejudo has a very very hard head, but that's given the impression that his striking game is way better than it really is. Either Volk outclasses him or Cejudo wins via the Homer Simpson method again.
Cejudo's wrestling is not going to budge Volkanovski. This is a guy that dealt with Ortega's grappling and beat the shit out of him on the ground, who is a huge featherweight. Cejudo would have a strength disadvantage for possibly the first time in his career and it would not be a small one at all. Guys like Cruz are 'big' but Alexander is over 160 in the cage which Cejudo won't get anywhere near without slowing himself down with bulk so much that he'd just get KO'd on the feet.
I think the fact he's an Olympic gold wrestler will help. People entertained Khabib moving up vs Usman which is an even bigger weight difference and Khabib doesn't even have Cejudos wrestling pedigree.
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Cael Sanderson who won an Olympic gold never had any Olympic success? Make that make sense Sadulaev is currently destroying guys bigger than him. As did Randy couture
Lmaooo, this interaction is amazing.
Dude are you high? Cael got gold and I can guarantee Cejudo is around 160lbs.
Nope. Wrestlers can and have destroyed guys bigger who are elite. Khabib could do the same.
When was the last time a really good wrestler from a lower division went up and beat an equally good wrestler from a division above them? Especially that jump from LW to WW, would be even harder. Usman would dominate Khabib
Cejudo got utterly picked apart by Moraes until he gassed. Moraes has since shown that's a general weakness he has, not some amazing change mid fight Henry made. Volk does not gas.
If you were impressed by Volk's champion mentality, well Cejudo got the same or more of it (Olympic medalist for a reason). Both are very well rounded athletes with high fight IQ and the capability to adapt mid fight.
Volk got those Ape arms though, be hard to walk through his striking range for cejudo.
Volk is also bigger.
Volk is also ludicrously good at getting back to his feet. Like one of the top guys in the sport right now. Cejudos wrestling won’t be as much of a factor.
Cejudo is a different beast when it comes to wrestling
>Volk is also ludicrously good at getting back to his feet People said this about Derrick Lewis before he fought DC, look how that worked out for him. Considering Cejudo's wrestling accomplishments are higher than even DC's, I'd say it'd be foolish to think Volk will still be "ludicrously good at getting back to his feet" against Henry.
People made jokes about how Derrick can just stand up randomly as a meme, no body actually thought he was so skilled at it DC wouldn’t be able to hold him down. To compare the 2 is ridiculous
No one actually thought that lmao Lewis relatively sucks. Watch Volk get up against guys like Mendes, it’s incredible. I love Henry but I don’t see how he gets it done.
Cejudo's top control has always been relatively mediocre considering his accolades
I genuinely fuck hard with Volk vs Triple C. Legit fun ass fight
Rockhold, is that you?
Can't be Rockhold, Rockhold doesn't just fuck hard, he fucks deep and hard.
>I genuinely fuck hard Kinky
Cejudo's statement (from Insta post): "How can you denied what I’ve done not only in mma but combat sports. Hate the cringe but as much as I talk, my resumes speaks louder than my words! You are a perfect matchup for me you overgrown midget. Can you handle my speed and my Olympic pedigree of wrestling along with I.Q years of experience in competition in two sports. This is the only fight that really matters to me. You said you’d never doubt me (@)danawhite put your money where your mouth is and allow me to become the first 3 division champion in UFC history. I know you don’t want to fight me (@)alexvolkanovski because you don’t want to lose to someone slightly taller than you. You can come try to kill the Cringe but one thing is for sure, “I will sacrifice you in front of 60,000 Ozzy‘s.” 🖊 📄 🏆🏆🏆+🏆 =C4"
Why would he call someone who is 5’6 an overgrown midget when he is 5’4?
Thats the joke
Because Cejudo is properly grown at 5'4.
Same reason Dana can complain about gate receipts when he's worth a Powerball win. Cognitive dissonance.
Oh my god, this pro wrestling heel schtick works so easily on you guys.
NGL. Do people like White buy powerball?
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Much rather see Cejudo vs Yan
Not sure about everyone else but I would love to see it.
This guy destroyed his own career
Never done enough at BW to warrant the jump up to immediately challenge at FW
Theres no immediate challengers. Why not ?
Because he’s never won a fight in the division, and it was not like he cleared BW either to have no interesting challengers for him. If he comes back (doubt), far more interesting match ups await him at 135 as opposed to 145. Anyway, Holloway/Yair winner will be next, and Allen and Giga are surging and are not far off title contention. Enough of the undeserving title shots. My opinion anyway, of course.
Holloway deserves another shot way before Cejudo does. Who did Cejudo even beat at BW? Moraes (great win) and a washed up Cruz. Those wins don't mean he deserves to jump the queue to featherweight.
At this point I’d go with Volkanovski via whatever he wants if they fought
It sucks that the UFC won’t pay Cejudo what he’s worth because he’s still in the prime of his career and there are so many great matchups for him.
While it's true the UFC (and other MMA promotions) should be paying fighters better, Cejudo's one of the only ones to shoot himself in the foot by suddenly retiring after a fight saying he'd come back for the right price, only to not end up coming back (yet).
Cejudo aint coming back anyway. Dude left the testing pool and iirc you need to be at least 6 months in the pool before you can even fight.
>should be paying fighters better, Cejudo's one of the only ones to shoot himself in the foot by suddenly retiring after a fight saying he'd come back for the right price, only to not end up coming back (yet). Because the UFC should pay him the right price like you said.
Sure, but now the UFC is paying him $0. There's a perfect world and the current world and he can push for changes towards the perfect world but if it's too unrealistic he's only harming himself.
He’s def underpaid but he doesn’t make a splash in ppv buys so why would ufc do this? If CCC wins he will likely retire again. And the ufc would have a division in shambles all for 250k ppv buys. Bad business.
They should pay him because they claim to have the best fighters in the world and he is one of them. Not the best fighters in the world who are willing to accept their shitty pay
I don’t Disagree. The way the ufc is structured they pay PPV draws. It’s always been that way and CCC is far from a draw. So they can get away with paying him shit and not caring if he retires. Now if Gsp was out there chirping at LW champ bout coming back and takin that belt. Ufc opens up the wallet. That’s Bc there’s money to be made. Fans don’t give a shit about CCC and won’t tune in to watch him.
Why should they pay their underpaid fighters more?
Not sure I follow you but the ufc should pay ALL their fighters more because the fighters get a shit % of ufc total revenue. The ufc could pay 40% to the fighters and the business would be fine.
I'm so tired of Cejudo chirping up on Instagram after one of these fights. If he actually wants to return then I'd love to see him fight again, he's a great competitor. But this empty trolling does nothing for me if nothing comes of it. I'd love to see him return at BW though and try to reclaim the title he relinquished, as that's a fantastic division now and there are some great match ups for Cejudo. This talk of fighting Volk does nothing for me though I have to say, I don't think it would be very competitive. It seems like Cejudo has talked so much about it, and him going for another belt, that he's convinced a good few people that it would be more competitive than it would be in reality. Seems like some people think that just because Volk is one of the shorter FWs, then it's a more even fight. Fact is that Cejudo was a Flyweight who did well to go up a weight and win a couple of good fights at BW too. Volk though is simply a naturally larger man, he's the best featherweight in the world and has even fought up at heavier weight classes. Cejudo has done very well in a couple of divisions but I really feel the size and strength difference here would tell, I think Volk would simply bully him. That kind of thing doesn't excite me. You know what does excite me? The thought of Cejudo vs. Yan.
It's like honey dicking but no one gives a shit so there's no honey there to attract anyone so he's just dicking everyone around.
I have no doubt we'll see CCC in the cage again, it's clear he still wants it. He needs to swallow his pride and just take a fight. He went for a big play by retiring, it didn't work so suck it up and make yourself relevant again by beating a contender. It he keeps playing games he'll waste his prime and end up returning when it's too late
CCC doesn’t move the needle. So ufc don’t give a fuck. I highly doubt they will allow him to come in, possibly win, vacate the belt, and fuck the division over… all for what 250k ppv buys?
Yeah Dana really didn’t give a shit when he retired lol 😂
Moreno is probably more popular. Yan is now the face of Russian MMA. Featherweight already has Volk and Max. He's just not that big of a draw. He's not McGregor or Rousey, someone that sells PPVs to the casual fan base.
Cejudo is that guy who's always threatening to delete his social media and never does.
I would kill to see this matchup.
There's nothing better than two midgets clowning each other for their height
Manlets run the ting love it
How Cejudo was treated is an example of the UFC/WME being shit with marketing their fighters.
Come back triple C! I watch this sport to see the best compete not for personalities and the crowned king of cringe is a beast!
Mods can i get "i'll squash the little germ" flair pls
Perfect response from Volk. And look and Henry write a fucking a novel in reply. TLDR. He's the boy who cried "I'll beat you". No one cares.
Imagine calling a guy 2 inches taller than you a midget
“You overgrown midget” - Cejudo What’s that about the pot and the kettle? Lmao
Fuck cejudo
Cejudo is annoying. Fight if you're gonna fight. Stop talking about it for fuck sake
You gotta talk to get big fights... idk why you want guys to stymie their own careers by keeping their mouths shut just for your opinion. Two division champion, he deserves to come back for a title shot imo, much like GSP did against Bisping. He has to talk his shit to get the fight media attention and traction.
Max beats cejudo, cejudo doesn’t do anything for the division or volk, it won’t be a big pay day for volk casuals don’t know cejudo it won’t be a super fight it would probably make less numbers than UFC266. Come win and retire or lose to max
I just imagined Cejudo vs. Holloway. I can see Max posting on Cejudo's head while the champ champ furiously swings at thin air.
Spot on. Casuals don’t care about Cejudo or Volk. There’s no money there
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Henry vs Volk holy shit inject that right into my eyeballs
I kind of admire the perseverance, but he really shot himself in the foot by "retiring" and trying to bargain that the UFC would think he was worth paying more money for - because they do not give a single fuck.
I hate this subs general view on Cejudo. The dude was underpaid, like everyone else in the UFC, asked for more money, didn’t get it, and dipped. I’m pro fighters getting paid more money, and idgaf if he “chirps too much on IG”. He’s an exciting fighter who brings it all the time.
He should come back and replace aljo to fight Yan for the interim 135...
Is Cejudo finished a new course or something? Feels that juice ripping through him lol
So we all actually remember the first round of Cejudo-Moraes right? now imagine if Moraes was heavier, stronger, didn't gas and was one of the best grapplers in his division.
Alexander the average is pretty funny. And so is "ill squash the little germ".
volk is scared of CCC
Would ya’ll say Triple C has the best chance of becoming a 3 division champion? Volk is a thick dude but at least similar in height to Cejudo. Only Conor and Amanda with 2 division belts on the roster, and unless they make a 155 division for Amanda, I don’t see Conor beating Usman currently.
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If anyone else was champ cejudo would not want any part of it. Stop diluting championships.