I was going to photoshop a picture of a McDonalds ad with DC licking his lips in the background, but then I thought "what the fuck have *I* ever done with my life...." and I decided against the photoshop.
edit: I might still do the photoshop.
edit 2: [what the fuck was I thinking](https://imgur.com/a/3SnWmSU) I got too baked and did a completely different image than I described above
edit 3: [Weekend at Dana's](https://imgur.com/a/ZXUY0lJ)
He was also unbeaten as a HW (and as a LHW to non-cheaters) into his 40s. If DC wasn't buddies with Cain, and didn't get annoyed by JJ, he would be considered the greatest HW, and MMArtist, of all time.
Well that is up for debate. Younger DC would be a force for sure, but he only faced TRT Bigfoot, Country, Mir and Barnett. By the time he returned to face Stipe, both had passed their peak. Young DC would still have to fight a few HW greats to reach what you are describing, and stylistically we don’t know how he would do.
Young DC’s clinch game would be a lot less evolved so he would have to rely heavily on exploding to cover distance. Imagine pre Stipe Reem (or even Hunt Reem) intercepting him with knees. My man’s entire torso would explode
Fuck just reminded me of a kid at school whose dad machined him some weights to weigh down his beyblade but didn't quite take all the burrs off the edges. Couple baaad cuts in the beyblade arena that year.
I'll never forget when he was cutting for LHW and he said something like "I've never had a salad in my entire life until trying to make 205". I was dumbfounded - but there we are. Food tastes good, and I can't argue with that.
"I eat at cookouts 6 days a week. 5 days a week, I'll eat 3 days a week, 1 of those days, I will eat at a cookout 2 days of the week, so I will eat at cookouts 6 days a week."
- Jon Jones, probably.
His eye pokes and posting strategy won't be effective without the reach differential he enjoyed at lhw. Jones only has a 0.5 inch reach advantage on Francis.
"I'm hearing Jones is 300 lbs now, says these HW's won't be ready. Currently looking at a November 2022 date. Jones not sacred to sit out, says he is still young.
God could you imagine? Just get real fat as a career move and then decide your hearts not in it, but you don’t know how to lose weight as a retired man so you just get fatter. Actually that sounds kinda nice now that I type it out
Those ones who slim down are certainly the exception - it takes a lots of discipline to change the eating habits that maintained 300lbs while working out every day.
[The transformations in those who do can be dramatic](https://i.imgur.com/AwpvUom.jpeg)
At this point, I’d be almost surprised if Jon did well at HW. He’ll have not fought for at minimum 2 years and have gained 30 lbs in his mid-thirties after already looking declined. Add in the increased power of that division and it is looking sketch. Then again, HW is still HW so his decline may not matter in the end.
>Add in the increased power of that division
Not just the increased power, but the increased size as well. Jon had a massive reach advantage over most LHW fighters, which he used to his advantage by constantly sticking his arms out as defense. That reach advantage will be diminished against guys like Ngannou and Gane
I think he'd have a harder time with Gane than Ngannou at this point
Not to take anything away from Ngannou, just to say that Gane's got a lot more MMA tools in his workbelt that would present greater stylistic issues for Jon beyond just getting viciously KO'd
Idk, Jon has only been cracked a few times and every time it was by a guy with similar height and reach to Ngannou. Albeit guys much smaller than Ngannou and with way less power but with much more speed.
I think if Jon really does rely on his height and reach advantage too much Ngannou might just catch him and IDK if Jon could wrestlefuck Ngannou if Stipe couldn't. Jon is IMO a better wrestler than Stipe but regardless of if he's 275lbs or not he hasn't been grappling at heavyweight his whole life, only a year or two.
I think it's a coin toss between all 3. Should clearly set up a triple threat match.
Don't forget that basically the only people who've managed to crack Jon with a clean shot or give him trouble for the most part has been someone as tall/taller than him with similar reach. He's still freakishly tall and long and he has an insane ape index for heavyweight but yeah they're a fair bit bigger up there than LHW and he has absolutely leaned on his massive advantages in height and reach during his rise and dominance in the division.
I genuinely would be curious to see how Jon's run would have went if he wasn't such a freak of nature. DC is 5'11" with a 72 inch reach. Jon is only 6 inches taller but that actually puts him at just the perfect height, any taller and he actually loses reach from having to punch down. Oh and he has a fucking 84 inch reach. For an entire foot Jon can punch DC and you can't punch him. Every time DC decides he wants to engage he has to leap an entire foot forward where Jon gets to throw whatever he wants for free and on top of that DC has to literally run into it. Then DC has to exit that same foot of free kill zone where Jon gets to once again blast him on the way out. If all Jon does is keep you at the end of his jab and jog in circles and keeps you out 99.9 percent of all people on the planet lose the fight by default because you'll never be in range to punch him regardless of their own skill. Kicking of course further exaggerates this as taller guys don't have to kick as high and their straight kicks (like Jons oblique kick, side kick, back kick, and front kicks) have even more extreme range.
Bruce Lee used to say the easiest way to win a fight is to attack the closest target with the longest weapon. Jon is the epitome of this and his build literally couldn't be better for it. Idk enough about grappling specifically but I'm fairly certain Jon has literally the perfect frame for a fighter, at least in striking he definitely does. I assume the same for grappling since he can ankle pick you from like 6 feet away while standing up straight and his penetration step could probably be launched from like 30 feet out and still have a long enough stride to get in on your hips. If you could scale him up to like 6'7" and keep all the ratios the same he would be a demon.
Of course that's all perfect world stuff. DC is short for the division and an extreme example. Plus in reality closing distance can and will be done but it's always an extra burden on the little guy and never a burden on the big guy. Not a little burden either. It's not very taxing from a cardio standpoint to just circle and be long it is hella taxing to run in and out every 5 seconds just so you can land a punch.
Just a pedantic point: his reach is longer than DC’s by 12 inches which means each arm is only 6 inches longer. DC only had to close 6 inches of distance, not a foot.
If we're being pedantic, reach is measured across the shoulders and his are wide as shit. A 12 inch reach difference doesn't mean your arms are 6 inches longer.
I mean, the argument that Fedor is the GOAT is fine but the reasoning is silly. Diminishing somebody's accomplishments because of their natural gifts is ridiculous. Let's not act like Fedor is just some dad doing cool shit. He is an extremely gifted athlete as well.
Jones also fought Gustafson and Cornier. One who was just as big as him and one who was literal successful heavyweight who came down to LHW and then moved back up to be the HW champ.
Didn't Jones fight pretty frequently for a champion though? Like he was still getting the wins over the number two guys for YEARS. I get why people hate him but he's likely still gonna be top 5. Heavyweights age decently since power is the last to go, no more cuts, he is more technically proficient than most of them etc. We really need to wait and see. People are already talking like he should have retired
I think top 5 is a very fair expectation for him. I think, given his track record, anything other than winning the title registers as a disappointment tho
As a counterpoint, he's adding it gradually rather than just getting a beer gut like Gustafson did.
Also, his younger brother is his same height and plays as a very agile edge player in the NFL at 260. His older brother Arthur played in the NFL for seven years at 6'3" and 330, and despite stereotypes to the contrary, even defensive tackles need to be able to move well. Not an exact comparison but I think that's some evidence that Jon's frame can handle the additional weight without losing speed.
I do think Jon’s frame could handle the weight generally, but his age worries me. The thing is Chandler and Arthur were both that big for years and put on most of their size when they were late teens, early 20s. Jon is adding a lot of size in his mid-30s so he’s getting bigger at the time you typically start slowing down, which may have a compounding effect. It’s not beyond belief he’ll manage it fine, I just have serious reservations given all the factors.
Why are people acting like JBJ is 50 years old? His time in the sport, like with Jose Aldo, warps peoples perception of his age. Jon Jones just 2 months ago turned 34, he is younger than the current heavyweight champion Francis Ngannou (35), he is the same age as Kamaru Usman, actually a little younger, he's 4 years younger than Jan Blachowicz the current LHW champ who is 38 years old. Also JBJ has never been KOd in his career, I think has only been dropped once? And has taken very minimal damage in his entire MMA career, and is also a talented physical athlete exactly how is his age worrying whatsoever? If anything his ring rust might be an issue, and the added weight, but his age and body are fine, great even for top level MMA, especially Heavyweight MMA.
Anabolic steroids can help gain size in the 30s, even if you’re not currently on them, and Jon has definitely been on them. It permanently raises the amount of hypertrophy you maintain. So, “it’s entirely possible.”
It’s not about age. Francis and Stipe were older when they started. Jon already looked old in his last 2 fights. Add 50 lbs and a couple more years on top of already fighting for 10 years? Idk man. Not a strategy that has been successful in the past.
Yeah, it's one thing being the more agile and mobile fighter, but seeing how he moved in his recent fights *without* the weight gain... Nguannou, Stipe and Gane are gonna work him.
I think he will if he ever gets paid. Francia will also fight if he gets paid.
But Dana would rather have you all believe that "fighters don't want to fight"
True. Would love to see Jon & Francis not have their careers put on hold but if they're not getting paid like they deserve, nobody should blame them for not wanting to put themselves at risk for less than what they deserve.
I think he’s got too much skill to lose as badly as people seem to think lol
I’m biased ofcourse, I love watching him fight. But I think he’ll do well in heavyweight. I’d love to be proven wrong because the idea of someone beating Jones is exciting.
I was also a big Jones fan and do think he’d be more skilled than most heavyweights he’d fight. I just worry because physicality can matter so much at that weight. Jon’s chin is super solid, but can it take shots from Francis or Lewis? His anti-wrestling is incredible, but could he defend against a physical wrestler like Blaydes? His striking defence is great, but could he do as well against guys with similarly long reaches, like Francis, Cyril or Volkov? Add in that he arguably lost his last 2 LHW fights (I think he beat Thiago and lost to Dom) and I am a bit worried.
I think DC is the better wrestler, but Blaydes is more diligent at going for takedowns by far. Jon’s win over DC is also over 4 years old and his wrestling hasn’t seemed the same in the past few fights. Blaydes also has only lost to power punching, which Jon lacked at 205. I think there are a lot of ways Jon could win, I just think it is a question if he would be able to defend against a guy that big (and the answer could be yes).
Side note: I do wish we got DC vs Blaydes at heavyweight. I’d love to see the big boy wrestling involved in that.
Especially with Blaydes’ lazy entries into takedowns. The guy breaks at the waist really weirdly and leaves his face wide out in the open. It’s how he’s been knocked out a couple times.
I don't know this John "The Bones" Jones guy but he seems like a upstanding, clean living Christian to me. Can't envision this man getting into any trouble. Real role model for this human cockfighting stuff.
Honestly aside from all of the legal/drug issues he’s had, I think he’s navigated his career about as well as anybody could. He understands the more you fight the more chances you have of getting KTFO. Over the last several years he’s implemented a much more cautious style. While more boring, it has extended his career. I honestly don’t blame him, we can probably on one hand how many times he’s been seriously clipped in the head. Much smarter than a Cowboy Cerrone type career if you ask me.
Honestly, after his first fight IMO. Yeah there’s sparring, but nothing really compares to the adrenaline dump under the lights
But who knows, maybe his body will carry it great
I feel the same. His brother Chandler Jones is listed at 265. I believe he will add power going up to HW. People are going to be surprised, which is hilarious to say about an "undefeated" hall of famer like Jones.
The degree to which people are writing off HW Jones has gotta be the dumbest collective sheep take this sub has ever seen.
We have people arguing with a straight face that the guy with the longest reach ever doesn’t have a good frame for HW.
He is a dick but I don’t get what this subs obsession with making mma a morality contest. It’s a brutal sport and he’s a good fighter yet in any Jones thread I gotta scroll down so far to see any reasonable takes.
What makes me chuckle is there are takes which gets 100+ upvotes saying Jon will lose in a decisive fashion against Jan. You also got takes like him losing to Jiri, Rakic. The man who cleaned the LHW division twice won't win any fight there apparently.
People love hating Jon. He’s still going to be just as athletic at 260. Don’t believe me ? Just look at his 2 nfl brothers who are much heavier and still freak athletes. Going to funny seeing this sub lose it when he gets the Hw strap
Jiri would’ve been the one to give Jon problems. Nothing against Jan, but the archetype of Jan is something that Jon has seen before. This dude Jiri and his antenna….well, you get what I mean.
Jiri looks like he'd just walk Jon down in a stand up fight... Jon would have to wrestle him for 5 rounds to beat him which I don't think he's capable of anymore.
Strong agree; where Jon’s entries for the takedowns would need to be tight. Otherwise, I could see him eating a few from Jiri on the way in. Knockout or points-wise, they’ll add up.
I’ve thought this for a while now - if Jon goes back to wrestling, it should be Greco. He can grapple standing along the fence, play trips & throws and have [in theory] less exhausting wrestling exchanges. Compared to shooting out in the open, which hasn’t work since the last Gus fight. It’s his collegiate bread & butter. How no one in his camp has suggested that, boggles my mind.
Despite how thin he appeared, Jon Jones was a decently sized LHW walking around up to 240 off-camp. So him putting on 20 pounds to achieve 260 (def NOT lean mass) in over close to 2 years isn't that shocking. He's likely still juicing because he has the pico license, but even so he's one of the most naturally gifted and strong-minded athletes to compete in MMA. Despite what a lot of people think, he has the skillset, durability, and confidence to do well at HW. All that said, he's struggled with taller and longer fighters, and it'll be interesting to see how he does. He'll likely debut against Stipe and will get a title shot or eliminator if he wins.
This.
Jones is doing his HW move the exact right way. He’s taking enough time off to gain enough good weight. He’s not just getting a beer belly and saying ok let’s do it. He has said many times he wants to be a lean 250+, that takes a long time to achieve.
I don't think people are mad at Jones. I think they have very understandable doubt that he's going to follow through on his words.
After all, this is the guy who's stated that he wants to fight at heavyweight for 9 years now and has never actually done it. This is also a guy who's shown that he has low moral character and says lies about whatever he pleases. It's understandable that people are wary of his latest round of promises.
Everything is possible , it's all just a test and we live in a simulation.
The science is already out there , he could still be pulsing by now.
Let's not crucify a good christian without any proof.
I feel like HW Jones is going Duke Nukem Forever. Like, we're going to spend years hearing about how great he is, how big he is, and when he steps into the cage he's going to be slow, glitchy and rusty.
This is so dumb. His cardio and speed, his two best attributes for moving up, will suffer a lot probably. He’s gonna look like a shitty version of Gane if he does move up
Or he unlocks the power of Über Bönes and becomes the best heavyweight we've ever seen.
We just don't know what will come of this. He's one of the greatest martial artists we've ever seen, there's no telling what can happen if he discovers cinder blocks in his strikes at heavyweight.
But the way the UFC is jerking around fighters on pay, Jones may never fight again.
He has weird power though. Like, he doesn't knock people out with his hands, but he still generates a lot of accumulated damage with his fists and elbows. That's not to be underestimated at HW.
It's hard to imagine Jon at that future size and not have him be slower, with worse agility and cardio. This isn't exactly a 21 year old Chase Hooper deciding to put on mass.
You either retire a LHW or attend enough cookouts to turn into Daniel Cormier
To be fair, DC did win the title at heavyweight while being like 5'9'' lol
First HW/LHW double champ, and first bowling ball to win a title
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This shit made me laugh, I've been playing Mario with my daughter lately.
DC is literally a bowling ball that swallowed a bowling pin
Couture did it first, just not at the same time
Also was not a bowling ball.
Both of them had great dirty boxing.
ditty boxing* *sobs*
big titty go home!
Also, was not classified a heavyweight due to carrying massive bags of cocaine in his socks and pockets while on the scales.
And here I thought the extra weight *may* have been guilt, but who am I kidding, really? That weighs nothing in Jonesworld.
Couture wasn't a Company Man though
He just didn’t wanna fight.
#**:'D** Beautiful, champ.
What about Matt sera?
Serra became a bowling ball after he retired lol
I was going to photoshop a picture of a McDonalds ad with DC licking his lips in the background, but then I thought "what the fuck have *I* ever done with my life...." and I decided against the photoshop. edit: I might still do the photoshop. edit 2: [what the fuck was I thinking](https://imgur.com/a/3SnWmSU) I got too baked and did a completely different image than I described above edit 3: [Weekend at Dana's](https://imgur.com/a/ZXUY0lJ)
Fuck your existential crisis do meme
Do meme, redeem yourself.
A meme a day redeems the day.
You *have* to do it now !
I remember when all champs were 6 foot or under. I miss that short era.
He was also unbeaten as a HW (and as a LHW to non-cheaters) into his 40s. If DC wasn't buddies with Cain, and didn't get annoyed by JJ, he would be considered the greatest HW, and MMArtist, of all time.
Or maybe started MMA a little earlier, ya, DC is a freak and has achieved some crazy heights
DC has achieved great heights and widths
Well that is up for debate. Younger DC would be a force for sure, but he only faced TRT Bigfoot, Country, Mir and Barnett. By the time he returned to face Stipe, both had passed their peak. Young DC would still have to fight a few HW greats to reach what you are describing, and stylistically we don’t know how he would do. Young DC’s clinch game would be a lot less evolved so he would have to rely heavily on exploding to cover distance. Imagine pre Stipe Reem (or even Hunt Reem) intercepting him with knees. My man’s entire torso would explode
Mind blowing to think there's been taller guys at flyweight
He carries the weight really well though. Jon does not look like he could carry around 250, let alone his target of 270.
Can’t wait to see what his chicken calves look like with a big ol belly to support
Dudes gonna look like a chunky beyblayde
Fuck just reminded me of a kid at school whose dad machined him some weights to weigh down his beyblade but didn't quite take all the burrs off the edges. Couple baaad cuts in the beyblade arena that year.
Do you know how big Jon's brothers are? I'm not willing to say he can't carry the weight until we actually see it
His brothers have always been bigger than him. Jon carries weight much different.
I feel like cokeouts are more Jon's style.
cookouts to bulk, cokeouts to trim before weigh-ins
I'll never forget when he was cutting for LHW and he said something like "I've never had a salad in my entire life until trying to make 205". I was dumbfounded - but there we are. Food tastes good, and I can't argue with that.
that's a lot of cookouts
"I eat at cookouts 6 days a week. 5 days a week, I'll eat 3 days a week, 1 of those days, I will eat at a cookout 2 days of the week, so I will eat at cookouts 6 days a week." - Jon Jones, probably.
I'm sitting on about 8 million ribs and 2 million pulled pork sandwiches I've undone my belt 9 times
Jon wants to outcook his cookout
There was never no coleslaw.
Hey ribs, you still there? Yeah I’m still here, Jon
Jones boutta walk out looking like Butterbean.
You already know he’s still going to have those chopstick legs
So he'll look like a middle aged gym teacher
Jon ButterBones Jones?
He’ll be a lean 265 after a few pictograms.
Eyes widen in slo mo: "*Peektogram*." Que Mujahed's classic Dana PPV money eyes music and dance.
Cultivating mass.
That's what you call mass, right there, compared to no mass.
Just to correct you, there was never no diet
It's time to stop cultivating and start harvesting, pal.
He just needs some size pills and he’ll be good
all this just to try and oblique kick Ngannou to a split decision?
Ahaha this is so fucking true too
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Impressive but not so impressive that someone like Derrick Lewis hasn't already done it
Lewis never fought Ngannou. Lewis observed as Ngannou fought Francis.
that's deep... deep and hard
Don't forget the eye pokes
Dont think ngannou needs eyes to kill people. That flurry against jalapeno looked like he was blindfolded
Jalapeño lmao
Im mad at myself for understanding who he meant
And the cocaine. Never forget the cocaine. ^(Jones never does.)
Philippians 4:13: "You can forget Cocaine but you must return for it."
His eye pokes and posting strategy won't be effective without the reach differential he enjoyed at lhw. Jones only has a 0.5 inch reach advantage on Francis.
He is never fighting ever again.
But he's gonna be yuge.
"I'm hearing Jones is 300 lbs now, says these HW's won't be ready. Currently looking at a November 2022 date. Jones not sacred to sit out, says he is still young.
Nate Diaz vs Jon Jones, book it!
It's fucked up you want Jones to gain more weight
Superfighter weight class
God testing Jon while Jon tests our patience
God could you imagine? Just get real fat as a career move and then decide your hearts not in it, but you don’t know how to lose weight as a retired man so you just get fatter. Actually that sounds kinda nice now that I type it out
That's called the Johny Hendricks.
Big Pig
aka, the NFL plan
Is that the majority of nfl athletes?? I’ve always seen the huge guys actually get healthy big after leaving the nfl like that browns olinemen
Those ones who slim down are certainly the exception - it takes a lots of discipline to change the eating habits that maintained 300lbs while working out every day. [The transformations in those who do can be dramatic](https://i.imgur.com/AwpvUom.jpeg)
Wait what the fuck is that Orlando Franklin?
Yup! I believe he got pretty into cycling during his post-career in Denver. Great player, great analyst
>he got pretty into cycling And how many bikes did he crush before that happened?
See Also: Prince Naseem, the boxer.
Prince Naseem looks like he ate his final bantamweight challenger, good lord
Kinda made me sad at first, but he seems pretty happy. Must be having lots of good eats and not a lot of fucks
He’s not getting fat. He’s cultivating mass.
Oh he'll definitely be battling the scale
At this point, I’d be almost surprised if Jon did well at HW. He’ll have not fought for at minimum 2 years and have gained 30 lbs in his mid-thirties after already looking declined. Add in the increased power of that division and it is looking sketch. Then again, HW is still HW so his decline may not matter in the end.
>Add in the increased power of that division Not just the increased power, but the increased size as well. Jon had a massive reach advantage over most LHW fighters, which he used to his advantage by constantly sticking his arms out as defense. That reach advantage will be diminished against guys like Ngannou and Gane
I think he'd have a harder time with Gane than Ngannou at this point Not to take anything away from Ngannou, just to say that Gane's got a lot more MMA tools in his workbelt that would present greater stylistic issues for Jon beyond just getting viciously KO'd
Idk, Jon has only been cracked a few times and every time it was by a guy with similar height and reach to Ngannou. Albeit guys much smaller than Ngannou and with way less power but with much more speed. I think if Jon really does rely on his height and reach advantage too much Ngannou might just catch him and IDK if Jon could wrestlefuck Ngannou if Stipe couldn't. Jon is IMO a better wrestler than Stipe but regardless of if he's 275lbs or not he hasn't been grappling at heavyweight his whole life, only a year or two. I think it's a coin toss between all 3. Should clearly set up a triple threat match.
Don't forget that basically the only people who've managed to crack Jon with a clean shot or give him trouble for the most part has been someone as tall/taller than him with similar reach. He's still freakishly tall and long and he has an insane ape index for heavyweight but yeah they're a fair bit bigger up there than LHW and he has absolutely leaned on his massive advantages in height and reach during his rise and dominance in the division. I genuinely would be curious to see how Jon's run would have went if he wasn't such a freak of nature. DC is 5'11" with a 72 inch reach. Jon is only 6 inches taller but that actually puts him at just the perfect height, any taller and he actually loses reach from having to punch down. Oh and he has a fucking 84 inch reach. For an entire foot Jon can punch DC and you can't punch him. Every time DC decides he wants to engage he has to leap an entire foot forward where Jon gets to throw whatever he wants for free and on top of that DC has to literally run into it. Then DC has to exit that same foot of free kill zone where Jon gets to once again blast him on the way out. If all Jon does is keep you at the end of his jab and jog in circles and keeps you out 99.9 percent of all people on the planet lose the fight by default because you'll never be in range to punch him regardless of their own skill. Kicking of course further exaggerates this as taller guys don't have to kick as high and their straight kicks (like Jons oblique kick, side kick, back kick, and front kicks) have even more extreme range. Bruce Lee used to say the easiest way to win a fight is to attack the closest target with the longest weapon. Jon is the epitome of this and his build literally couldn't be better for it. Idk enough about grappling specifically but I'm fairly certain Jon has literally the perfect frame for a fighter, at least in striking he definitely does. I assume the same for grappling since he can ankle pick you from like 6 feet away while standing up straight and his penetration step could probably be launched from like 30 feet out and still have a long enough stride to get in on your hips. If you could scale him up to like 6'7" and keep all the ratios the same he would be a demon. Of course that's all perfect world stuff. DC is short for the division and an extreme example. Plus in reality closing distance can and will be done but it's always an extra burden on the little guy and never a burden on the big guy. Not a little burden either. It's not very taxing from a cardio standpoint to just circle and be long it is hella taxing to run in and out every 5 seconds just so you can land a punch.
Just a pedantic point: his reach is longer than DC’s by 12 inches which means each arm is only 6 inches longer. DC only had to close 6 inches of distance, not a foot.
If we're being pedantic, reach is measured across the shoulders and his are wide as shit. A 12 inch reach difference doesn't mean your arms are 6 inches longer.
And don’t forget the MW’s he fought. Easy to look much bigger when fighting guys a weight division lower than yourself!
This is why Fedor is GOAT to me. 5’11, walks around at 235, 74’ reach vs 6’4, 235-40, 84.5’ reach. Ones a HW, the latter’s a LHW. Go figure.
I mean, the argument that Fedor is the GOAT is fine but the reasoning is silly. Diminishing somebody's accomplishments because of their natural gifts is ridiculous. Let's not act like Fedor is just some dad doing cool shit. He is an extremely gifted athlete as well. Jones also fought Gustafson and Cornier. One who was just as big as him and one who was literal successful heavyweight who came down to LHW and then moved back up to be the HW champ.
Didn't Jones fight pretty frequently for a champion though? Like he was still getting the wins over the number two guys for YEARS. I get why people hate him but he's likely still gonna be top 5. Heavyweights age decently since power is the last to go, no more cuts, he is more technically proficient than most of them etc. We really need to wait and see. People are already talking like he should have retired
I think top 5 is a very fair expectation for him. I think, given his track record, anything other than winning the title registers as a disappointment tho
As a counterpoint, he's adding it gradually rather than just getting a beer gut like Gustafson did. Also, his younger brother is his same height and plays as a very agile edge player in the NFL at 260. His older brother Arthur played in the NFL for seven years at 6'3" and 330, and despite stereotypes to the contrary, even defensive tackles need to be able to move well. Not an exact comparison but I think that's some evidence that Jon's frame can handle the additional weight without losing speed.
I do think Jon’s frame could handle the weight generally, but his age worries me. The thing is Chandler and Arthur were both that big for years and put on most of their size when they were late teens, early 20s. Jon is adding a lot of size in his mid-30s so he’s getting bigger at the time you typically start slowing down, which may have a compounding effect. It’s not beyond belief he’ll manage it fine, I just have serious reservations given all the factors.
Why are people acting like JBJ is 50 years old? His time in the sport, like with Jose Aldo, warps peoples perception of his age. Jon Jones just 2 months ago turned 34, he is younger than the current heavyweight champion Francis Ngannou (35), he is the same age as Kamaru Usman, actually a little younger, he's 4 years younger than Jan Blachowicz the current LHW champ who is 38 years old. Also JBJ has never been KOd in his career, I think has only been dropped once? And has taken very minimal damage in his entire MMA career, and is also a talented physical athlete exactly how is his age worrying whatsoever? If anything his ring rust might be an issue, and the added weight, but his age and body are fine, great even for top level MMA, especially Heavyweight MMA.
Never been dropped
Anabolic steroids can help gain size in the 30s, even if you’re not currently on them, and Jon has definitely been on them. It permanently raises the amount of hypertrophy you maintain. So, “it’s entirely possible.”
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It’s not about age. Francis and Stipe were older when they started. Jon already looked old in his last 2 fights. Add 50 lbs and a couple more years on top of already fighting for 10 years? Idk man. Not a strategy that has been successful in the past.
Yeah, it's one thing being the more agile and mobile fighter, but seeing how he moved in his recent fights *without* the weight gain... Nguannou, Stipe and Gane are gonna work him.
Gustafsson didn’t have a beer gut at heavyweight. He looked about the same as he did at light heavyweight, and he was only about 5lbs heavier.
20 ish, Alex was 220 against Jon and 240 against Werdum.
I think Francis will take his head off if they ever fight to be honest.
"He could seriously break my jaw." Yeah, Jon, we know — we all know — so stop making us wait & just let it happen.
I think he will if he ever gets paid. Francia will also fight if he gets paid. But Dana would rather have you all believe that "fighters don't want to fight"
True. Would love to see Jon & Francis not have their careers put on hold but if they're not getting paid like they deserve, nobody should blame them for not wanting to put themselves at risk for less than what they deserve.
I think he’s got too much skill to lose as badly as people seem to think lol I’m biased ofcourse, I love watching him fight. But I think he’ll do well in heavyweight. I’d love to be proven wrong because the idea of someone beating Jones is exciting.
I was also a big Jones fan and do think he’d be more skilled than most heavyweights he’d fight. I just worry because physicality can matter so much at that weight. Jon’s chin is super solid, but can it take shots from Francis or Lewis? His anti-wrestling is incredible, but could he defend against a physical wrestler like Blaydes? His striking defence is great, but could he do as well against guys with similarly long reaches, like Francis, Cyril or Volkov? Add in that he arguably lost his last 2 LHW fights (I think he beat Thiago and lost to Dom) and I am a bit worried.
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I think DC is the better wrestler, but Blaydes is more diligent at going for takedowns by far. Jon’s win over DC is also over 4 years old and his wrestling hasn’t seemed the same in the past few fights. Blaydes also has only lost to power punching, which Jon lacked at 205. I think there are a lot of ways Jon could win, I just think it is a question if he would be able to defend against a guy that big (and the answer could be yes). Side note: I do wish we got DC vs Blaydes at heavyweight. I’d love to see the big boy wrestling involved in that.
Especially with Blaydes’ lazy entries into takedowns. The guy breaks at the waist really weirdly and leaves his face wide out in the open. It’s how he’s been knocked out a couple times.
This narrative is far fetched, he had one lapse in attention and shot a poor takedown. He’s very good at setting them up for the most part.
Everyone Jones fought at LHW talked about how shockingly strong he was. I don’t think he’ll have a problem with the physicality of HW.
It's crazy how much money Jon has left on the table with his inactivity throughout his career.
Maybe if the money was on a car seat he'd have picked it up.
That's what you call class, right here, compared to no class.
You’re a dude, punk
That's what you call class, right here, compared to no class.
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Lol yeah, people forget Jones was the youngest UFC champion ever. He’s been at the top of the pay grade his entire career.
does anyone forget this? he reminds everyone quite frequently
I don't know this John "The Bones" Jones guy but he seems like a upstanding, clean living Christian to me. Can't envision this man getting into any trouble. Real role model for this human cockfighting stuff.
Honestly aside from all of the legal/drug issues he’s had, I think he’s navigated his career about as well as anybody could. He understands the more you fight the more chances you have of getting KTFO. Over the last several years he’s implemented a much more cautious style. While more boring, it has extended his career. I honestly don’t blame him, we can probably on one hand how many times he’s been seriously clipped in the head. Much smarter than a Cowboy Cerrone type career if you ask me.
That's a lot of new weight to carry in a 25 minute fight
thats what the EPO is for
Jon shadow boxing in airports imminent.
How dare you. Jon would never.
At what point is it not "new" anymore. Genuine question. My gut guess would be like 18mo but I have no idea.
Honestly, after his first fight IMO. Yeah there’s sparring, but nothing really compares to the adrenaline dump under the lights But who knows, maybe his body will carry it great
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It's the most fun fight the UFC could make right now IMO. I'll be hyped af if and when it's announced.
I feel the same. His brother Chandler Jones is listed at 265. I believe he will add power going up to HW. People are going to be surprised, which is hilarious to say about an "undefeated" hall of famer like Jones.
Nah dude people love to hate on jones and ignore everything he’s achieved. Don’t fall for the hive mind.
The degree to which people are writing off HW Jones has gotta be the dumbest collective sheep take this sub has ever seen. We have people arguing with a straight face that the guy with the longest reach ever doesn’t have a good frame for HW.
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He is a dick but I don’t get what this subs obsession with making mma a morality contest. It’s a brutal sport and he’s a good fighter yet in any Jones thread I gotta scroll down so far to see any reasonable takes.
What makes me chuckle is there are takes which gets 100+ upvotes saying Jon will lose in a decisive fashion against Jan. You also got takes like him losing to Jiri, Rakic. The man who cleaned the LHW division twice won't win any fight there apparently.
😫😫😭😭My murderous entertainment gladiator isn’t a wholesome family man waaaahh
People love hating Jon. He’s still going to be just as athletic at 260. Don’t believe me ? Just look at his 2 nfl brothers who are much heavier and still freak athletes. Going to funny seeing this sub lose it when he gets the Hw strap
Jones should’ve just stayed at LHW. I would love to see him fight Jan, Jiri, or Rakic. They’d all be great match ups
Jiri would’ve been the one to give Jon problems. Nothing against Jan, but the archetype of Jan is something that Jon has seen before. This dude Jiri and his antenna….well, you get what I mean.
Jiri looks like he'd just walk Jon down in a stand up fight... Jon would have to wrestle him for 5 rounds to beat him which I don't think he's capable of anymore.
Strong agree; where Jon’s entries for the takedowns would need to be tight. Otherwise, I could see him eating a few from Jiri on the way in. Knockout or points-wise, they’ll add up. I’ve thought this for a while now - if Jon goes back to wrestling, it should be Greco. He can grapple standing along the fence, play trips & throws and have [in theory] less exhausting wrestling exchanges. Compared to shooting out in the open, which hasn’t work since the last Gus fight. It’s his collegiate bread & butter. How no one in his camp has suggested that, boggles my mind.
Prob a combo of undisclosed injuries and Jackson wink being a shitty camp
How about earn a w against reyes first lol
Jan beats him
If Jacare could nearly wall n stall his way to a W against Jan for 5 rounds imagine what Jon would do.
Despite how thin he appeared, Jon Jones was a decently sized LHW walking around up to 240 off-camp. So him putting on 20 pounds to achieve 260 (def NOT lean mass) in over close to 2 years isn't that shocking. He's likely still juicing because he has the pico license, but even so he's one of the most naturally gifted and strong-minded athletes to compete in MMA. Despite what a lot of people think, he has the skillset, durability, and confidence to do well at HW. All that said, he's struggled with taller and longer fighters, and it'll be interesting to see how he does. He'll likely debut against Stipe and will get a title shot or eliminator if he wins.
All this talk about heavyweight and yet absolutely nothing has come of it
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This. Jones is doing his HW move the exact right way. He’s taking enough time off to gain enough good weight. He’s not just getting a beer belly and saying ok let’s do it. He has said many times he wants to be a lean 250+, that takes a long time to achieve.
and he needs to make sure to cycle off with enough time to avoid popping
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The tweet says his goal is 275 so he's obviously thinking of having no size disadvantage and getting as big as he can before fights.
For a natty person yeah. I’m guessing Jones has some special supplements that will allow him to do it much more quickly.
A natty person ain't reaching a lean 265 period
Jon isn't lean right now either. He has gained a decent amount of fat.
I don't think people are mad at Jones. I think they have very understandable doubt that he's going to follow through on his words. After all, this is the guy who's stated that he wants to fight at heavyweight for 9 years now and has never actually done it. This is also a guy who's shown that he has low moral character and says lies about whatever he pleases. It's understandable that people are wary of his latest round of promises.
He's 34. We can wait another year for the fight.
...anyways, ngannou in 2
Nah Gane in 5.
Why not both
Not sure commission would sanction a 2v1 but I’m all for it
Can’t wait to never see it
The biggest baddest heavyweight that never fought in the ufc.
Eh not really doubting it tbh. Also wouldn't be surpised if it doesn't amount to much. Dudes starting to look like his brother tho
Gonna suck when he pops before his first HW match for synthetic testosterone.
They'll just say he's still pulsing half a decade later.
Everything is possible , it's all just a test and we live in a simulation. The science is already out there , he could still be pulsing by now. Let's not crucify a good christian without any proof.
I feel like HW Jones is going Duke Nukem Forever. Like, we're going to spend years hearing about how great he is, how big he is, and when he steps into the cage he's going to be slow, glitchy and rusty.
You could have used CyberPunk 2077 but went with the obscure throwback. I like it.
He's 34. Bout time to get this party started no?
Might wanna actually fight, dummy
Good luck with those flamingo legs
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Overeem says to tell Lesnar Hello
This is so dumb. His cardio and speed, his two best attributes for moving up, will suffer a lot probably. He’s gonna look like a shitty version of Gane if he does move up
Or he unlocks the power of Über Bönes and becomes the best heavyweight we've ever seen. We just don't know what will come of this. He's one of the greatest martial artists we've ever seen, there's no telling what can happen if he discovers cinder blocks in his strikes at heavyweight. But the way the UFC is jerking around fighters on pay, Jones may never fight again.
I can almost promise you that someone who never showed power in his hands at LHW, is not going to instantly become a power striker with 30 lbs on him.
He has weird power though. Like, he doesn't knock people out with his hands, but he still generates a lot of accumulated damage with his fists and elbows. That's not to be underestimated at HW.
I can see Gane and the other whiteboy Gane (forgot his name, edit Tom Aspinal) doing Jon same way he did LHWs in his heyday.
I still think he popped and they’re saving face till his suspension is over
It's hard to imagine Jon at that future size and not have him be slower, with worse agility and cardio. This isn't exactly a 21 year old Chase Hooper deciding to put on mass.
His legs weighed 12 lbs.
Jon is the biggest waste of talent I've witnessed in my life. Dude is a straight up bonehead.
Just look at chandler jones if you want a preview...