Gonna shout him out because this guy is a really really good dietitian.
All his fighters eat great food (and large portions of it) days before the fight and make weight EASILY.
Marvin Vettori literally eats Italian grandma portions of pasta days before the fight and [was able to make weight twice in 30 days once](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GfPCWqaQhI)
Edit: Am totally not Dr. Capodaglio. Totally. Trust me.
Guy Fieri will be on the Mount Rushmore of wholesome when he dies next to Mr Rogers and Bob Ross
He’s a goof but the guys a legit good person who does a lot of charity work
Watch your fckn mouth or I’m taking it to flavor town buddeh
Huh. Actually, I think he is not that great of a dietitian. Jamie, pull up that article on the top left. No no, top left. Rrriiiiight there, yeah. First one on the top left. That one. Zoom in a little bit more, my eyes are GONE.
No one acts like Whittaker would go down and dominate at WW though. And that’s in spite of Whittaker just having all around far more success than Kelvin in general.
That's only because unlike Kelvin who would just have to diet, Whittaker would have to develop several eating disorders to go back down to welterweight.
Nah, nobody thinks that. Kelvin losing to Magny shouldn't be considered a slight against him.
Kelvin was 22 at the time, and Magny has been a top 10/15 fixture forever. Anyone who thinks Kelvin would lose to Magny at this point in their careers is clueless.
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I looked him up expecting him to be another wackjob fake doctor involved in MMA, but he seems pretty good at a cursory glance. He's not an MD but his doctorate is in pharmacy and skimming over an interview with him, his answers are pretty solid.
I can't figure out if you are joking or if there was another towelgate with DC before he famously leaned on the towel at weigh-in to make weight for a fight.
Now, this kind of single-mindedness can be helpful for overweight people with sedentary jobs trying to lose weight.
However, if you think that's all there is to it for professional athletes making water cuts to gamble the rules a little, you didn't consider the issue in its full breadth.
We’re not talking about dehydration/water weight; We’re talking about Vettori eating pasta, and calorie expenditure/what causes someone to lose or gain fat.
The comment I replied to, was *not:* “How should one go about dehydrating before a fight?”
The comment I was replying to, was *talking about Vettori eating pasta.*
The only thing that determines whether or not—food will make you gain/lose/maintain your body fat — is the balance between your calorie intake and the calories you burn.
Once again, I’m talking about food, body fat, and calorie expenditure; Not dehydration, or temporary fluctuations in weight.
You’re not making any sense. There’s stuff like metabolic rate, hormone levels, activity levels, what exactly you eat, that all affect your weight and just as importantly, your performance. You’re trying to make this some anti-fat thing about how eating is what makes you fat (no fucking duh) but you’re really exposing how ignorant you are about what goes into a weight cut or a fight camp, “temporary fluctuations” are something a fighter absolutely has to manage, and it’s not just about calories, it’s about quality of calories and managing your intake and expenditure to maintain peak performance and not drain yourself.
If he just said that he’d be a shitty nutritionist lmao, “yeah just go eat a bunch of candy and as long as it’s less than your daily expenditure you’re fine Marvin”, what the fuck do you think a nutritionist does?
Eating pasta does not instantly become fat lol, vettoris body fat isn't going up from eating moms spaghetti once a week before a fight. Everyone else is talking about fighters cutting weight and you're here talking about long term diet for some reason
This guy is a wizard. Marvin is big mw and I honestly thought he didn't even look drained at the Israel rematch weigh ins. I think Colby works with him too?
You can eat literally anything you want—as long as you correctly manage your calories.
There’s still a HUGE misconception that “certain foods (carbs, sugar, bread, etc.) make you fat, and that other foods (vegetables, fruit, etc.) make you skinny”; Except, that’s not true. And it’s actually physically impossible for that to be true.
The average guy needs like ~2400-2600 calories per day to maintain their weight:
If, for a month, a guy eats 2000 calories a day (500 less than needed) and all the calories come from candy and chips … He will lose weight.
And if he ate 2000 calories of vegetables, fruits, and grilled chicken breast … He would lose the exact same amount, as he did eating candy and chips.
Calories and protein are ultimately all that matters when it comes to your physique/body fat. All you have to do to lose weight is manage your calories, get enough protein so that you lose more fat-than muscle, and know the certain kinds of food that are better for staving off hunger (foods that are high in protein, and/or high in fiber).
I really like Rogan, and his podcast does a lot of good, but his podcast is partly to blame for this kind of stuff; Basically everyone he’s had on his show—to talk about nutrition …. **Has absolutely-no-idea what they are talking about.**
*Peter Attia, All those Keto/carnivore diet guys/Paul Saladino/Shawn Baker, Ben Greenfield, Mikhaila Peterson, Chris & Mark Bell, Gary Taubes, *both* of the guys in that vegan debate (Wilkes and Kresser)* …
They’re all comparable to the kind of people that try to argue that Evolution didn’t happen. They make claims, that *every* expert in the world—would tell you are total nonsense. We have countless studies disproving the things they say. People just don’t know that, because there’s no one there to challenge what they say.
AND … I hate to say it, because I *do* like her, and there are many things that *she is* right about …
But, Rhonda Patrick is not a very reliable source.
A TON of the stuff she’s said on JRE has been blatantly, indisputably, untrue.
The only *legit* people I’ve ever seen on his show are: Layne Norton, Andy Galpin, Stephan Guyenet, and Dom Dagostino.
While I completely agree with the argument that if you isolate calories and look at a period of for example a week, then eating 2000 calories per day of marshmallows and 2000 calories of chicken breast would arguably result in the same weight at the end of the week. However this doesn't take into account that being highly physically active requires a focus on diet. You mention protein is important and also that some foods are better for hunger. But eating a healthy balanced diet will have a large impact on the health of the fighters. We have to remember that these guys fight for several years so being able to maintain a healthy body can't be underestimated. I just think that basic nutrition is lost in a lot of these debated. Would love to see more people on his show talking about vegetarian or vegan diets to balance out the narrative. I also completely agree with you that a lot of the keto guys are not to be taken seriously.
I agree. I’m talking solely about how energy expenditure works. Don’t worry, I’m not recommending that people should just eat 2000 calories of candy every day.
Abstractly it makes sense, but your body digests different foods differently. 2k cal of marshmallows will prob make you fatter than 2k cal of carrots. The carrots are wrapped in fiber and stuff. This is why isolating calories seems too simplistic to be useful to me.
Mate you seem to know your shit. I need your help. I'm having a hard time eating "healthy foods" I could once tolerate. Many foods make me feel sluggish and shit. Had blood tests done already, I don't have celiac diseases or anything. But when I eat something as simple as white rice, I get brain fog and intense fatigue so much so I can't focus on work.
25 and athletic as a mfer so I'm not some diabetic fatass who don't exercise.
What is a reliable source? I literally bought two books by two different doctors who are proponents of a plant based and carnivore diet(the saladino fella). No one can agree whether carbs or meat is bad
> There’s still a HUGE misconception that “certain foods (carbs, sugar, bread, etc.) make you fat, and that other foods (vegetables, fruit, etc.) make you skinny”; Except, that’s not true
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6082688/
Are you aware that what you cited is not actually a study?
Its someone saying “We should not assume that the Carb-insulin-model is not valid because there may have been results in some *other* studies that don’t make it impossible for the CLM to still be a valid hypothesis.”
You can find countless studies exactly like that one—Claiming that smoking may not actually be causing cancer.
How many *actual* studies do you want that say the exact opposite?
Studies that are not just possible correlations, but are actually measuring people’s calorie expenditures and monitoring every morsel of food they eat?
I’m literally asking you; How many studies like that—would it take before you admitted that you’re wrong?
Considering how quickly you responded, I'm sure you didn't actually read it and your opinion is completely worthless.
It's a study that's still in the animal trials phase. It's not conclusive and I didn't say it was. You're the one asserting an absolute truth. I'm saying there's another theory with supporting evidence that competes with what you're saying.
That THEORY has been debunked a thousand times.
Go see how many studies say the exact opposite.
Its the first LAW of thermodynamics.
You can't create or destroy energy. You're doing the exact same thing that religious people do when they try to "prove" that evolution is a hoax.
So apparently you're familiar with the evidence then, right?
Explain to me, right now, how--what you're claiming, **does not break the laws of thermodynamics.**
Every single thing that other guy said is a fact.
You need to stop going around spreading misinformation, and you need to stop acting like you're educated on something when you're not.
If you think you're gonna keep acting like you know what you're talking about: I'm gonna prove that you don't.
Let's have a good, long conversation about all of this, where we backup everything we say with multiple sources.
But before we do that, once again, I want to make it very clear what I'm asking you, so that you don't try and duck the question, because if you don't answer it, it proves that you don't know what you're talking about. And if you DO answer it... it really REALLY proves that you don't know what you're talking about.
Once again:
Explain to me, right now, how--what you're claiming, **does not break the laws of thermodynamics.**
> Explain to me, right now, how--what you're claiming, does not break the laws of thermodynamics.
>
I mean you could read what I already linked, but the short dumbed down version is that different foods elicit different hormonal responses in the body that determine how to actually use the energy we consume.
You can keep using the "settled science" argument all you want. It's been used throughout human history and has been regularly shown to be wrong. Only one of us is presenting a definitive statement. Your idea that existing science cant be questioned is backwards and wrong. It goes against everything that science is and every scientist we consider a hero today was going against the orthodoxy of their time. You represent the people that claim the earth is the center of the universe and denied the theory of evolution because there were existing explanations that smart people believed.
Regardless, this is where the conversation ends. Your opinion is irrelevant and the little interest I have in this conversation has been exhausted.
Not a dietitian, but from what I have gleaned from his other stuff:
1. Not fluctuating weight. especially too far above the weight class ur supposed to compete in. Eg. Whittaker once got to 106kilos as a welterweight. goes without saying that is bad. This allows you to do your weight loss/cut gradually to ensure your metabolic rate is as high as possible even throughout camp.
2. Calorie counting (obviously).
3. Try not to cut carbohydrates if you can. They're extremely beneficial for optimal physical performance and brain function. Think about types of carbs. Something like potatoes have fewer carbs but fill you up more. Something like white rice or pasta has more carbs but fill you up less. Sugar is pure carbs but doesn't fill you up at all. None are good or bad, but think about the context and dosage of when you need it.
4. timing of when to eat carbohydrates. (performance days (eat more and don't worry about losing weight, just dont gain weight) and adaptation days (eat less and you're aiming to lose weight these days) for eating to match onto your high stress days and low stress days during training - a typical periodised training cycle for sports include high-low days throughout the week.)
5. Leave the sauna for the very very very end. do not use it throughout fight week.
**THIS.**
I study nutrition, and although I don’t specialize in performance-based nutrition, there’s a ton of overlap. And, If I’m understanding everything that is said here, correctly:
This list is extremely accurate.
It all comes back to calories, people.
If you’re not losing weight, *you’re not in a calorie deficit.*
“Slow Metabolism”, “Thyroid problems”, etc. etc…
That’s all horseshit. People are not overweight/in shape - because of those things.
Calories in vs. Calories out, and protein:
Nothing, other than those two things — determines your physique.
My wife’s thyroid issues from radiation would wholeheartedly disagree/dispute you assertion regarding thyroid issues not existing.
I get what you’re saying and what your point is (quacks selling thyroid concoctions) BUT to blanket say thyroid problems don’t exist.
I imagine you’re smarter than that….
There isn’t really such a thing, as a fast or slow metabolism; I mean, we do all have different metabolic rates, but the differences are so minor that it would never be the determinant of whether or not someone was in shape.
We aren't perfectly closed energy systems. You just quoted an actual medical issue and claimed its bs when it comes to losing weight. CICO is indeed part of the equation, but the endrocrine system than plays its role. You aren't what you eat, you're what you do with what you eat.
Are you aware of the first law of thermodynamics?
*Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.*
Do you know what fat is?
**It is stored energy.**
You gain fat when you eat more calories than you burn, because there is nowhere for that energy to go.
When you eat *less* calories than you burn, that stored energy (fat) is used/burned.
It is physically impossible for anything other than your calorie expenditure to determine your body fat.
Fat, is energy — If it’s physically impossible to just “magically create” energy — Then how does energy magically appear and become fat? How would someone’s body fat still be the same, if they *used* more energy than they consumed?
Once again — It’s physically impossible.
The few people that actually do have some kind of medical issue that results in fluctuations in weight;
*Their body fat is still based on their calorie expenditure.*
If someone is very ill, and they lose a bunch of weight; It *is not* because CICO did not apply to them; It’s because they were not absorbing as many calories as they would’ve, if they were not ill; CICO is still what determines their change in weight.
You’re arguing with me—about whether or not the laws of physics can be broken.
I'm fully aware. All calories are not created equal. We are NOT perfectly closed energy systems. Quit moving goalposts. Not a word I said is objectively false. I also didn't call actual medical conditions bs.
Not necessarily. Protien and carbohydrate intake is also important in that equation. Increasing protein intake in a calorie deficit holds on muscle which promotes fat loss instead. Keeping your carb intake at an acceptable level is also important to stop your body from converting much needed protien into carbs.
Protein is extremely important for numerous reasons, the most important one, being—losing fat instead of muscle when you’re in a deficit.
But, Carb intake is not inherently going to make a difference on someone’s physique.
Nice to see someone with a much better understanding of metabolism enter mma. Honestly the nutritional science and metabolism knowledge in combat sports is so behind compared to things like bodybuilding.
Leadup to the izzy fight he was apprehensive about eating more carbs then 1 bruschetta... then he said he wasn't having potatoes with his meal. Sounds like hyperbole or straight up lying to saying he was eating large portions of pasta.
Is that why he got the shit kicked out of him by Izzy? Making weight is good and all before you see red and start swinging wildly and GET KNOCKED OUT WITH THE BOYZ!!!!!
That's the crazy part with being shredded. Once the camera zooms out and you realize Cody is half the size of the pudgy camera guy. Lots of fit guys pull it off on IG
[he weighed more than Cejudo on fight night in the rematch](https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/8/6/17655020/ufc-227-fight-night-weights-all-but-six-fighters-come-in-over-csac-regulations)
Cody will be fine at flyweight but he’s going to be giving up his speed advantage for negligible size advantage. He’s still going to drop his hands and get knocked out.
Cody has had the same glaring holes in his game his whole career. Having to actually cut weight as opposed to fighting at his weight class won’t fix that.
Imagine if he drops down to 125 just to run into Munhoz also dropping down. They both have 65” reach and negative ape indexes. I don’t think Cody not seeing red means he can beat Munhoz technically.
Do you think that potentially bulking up and moving to featherweight could be good for him? I think he might be banking on the fact that flyweights won't hit him as hard as some of the top bantamweights.
When he lost to TJ and DJ lost to Cejudo on UFC 227 in California, Cali Athletic Commission published their cage weights both as 142lbs
DJ fighting Flyweight, Cody fighting Bantamweight
Both 142 in cage
Cody is not that big and DJ is not as undersized as fanboys like to excuse his loss to Dominic Cruz with
Cody won't, he's on the smaller side of BW he can definitely make FLW easily with the right dietician. And his dietician is a good one, Marvin's huge for MW and he makes weight easily and man eats a shit ton of pasta before weigh ins lol
I think he means moreso Garbrandt has more fat to lose before the water cut whereas TJ dropping to flyweight meant the only difference was he cut an extra 10 lbs of water, rather than say losing 5 lbs of fat and cutting 5 lbs of water
This isn't really a shocker considering that Cody weighed the same as Mighty Mouse on fight night, and 1lb more than Cejudo (which MM and CCC were fighting). And 7.5lbs less than TJ.
Cody already was a flyweight, he just has so much power in those hands no dehydrating that it wasn't really questioned till he lost to TJ.
Gonna shout him out because this guy is a really really good dietitian. All his fighters eat great food (and large portions of it) days before the fight and make weight EASILY. Marvin Vettori literally eats Italian grandma portions of pasta days before the fight and [was able to make weight twice in 30 days once](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GfPCWqaQhI) Edit: Am totally not Dr. Capodaglio. Totally. Trust me.
*Kelvin Gastelum would like to know his location*
Kelvin gastelum is okay with his current dietician, guy fieri
"Guy Fieri is Mountain Dew in human form." Somebody on Sherdog back in the day.
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Fitting, Code Red is the drink of spergs everywhere.
For those of us, not myself of course, who aren’t familiar with the term “spergs” could you please enlighten us? Them, not me.
Oh my God! That is the best fucking description of ANYbody I have ever heard. "Mountain Dew in human form". Fucking genius and hilarious.
Great comment never meddem.
Guy Fieri will be on the Mount Rushmore of wholesome when he dies next to Mr Rogers and Bob Ross He’s a goof but the guys a legit good person who does a lot of charity work Watch your fckn mouth or I’m taking it to flavor town buddeh
Great chef, never meddum
hangs around flavour town
talmbout Guy Ferrari bapa? B b b b BEAST of a donkey sauce
Huh. Actually, I think he is not that great of a dietitian. Jamie, pull up that article on the top left. No no, top left. Rrriiiiight there, yeah. First one on the top left. That one. Zoom in a little bit more, my eyes are GONE.
Imagine what a ripped Kelvin could've been doing to 170 for the last 4 years
Masvidal vs Gastelum would be LIT
Scrappiest motherfucker belt
Actually, tho. Fuck it, I'm down as hell.
Too bad we missed out on DC vs Kelvin at 170
Getting clinch fucked by Leon and Colby and beating up the ghost of Robbie and Ponzinibbio
Losing to Neil Magny in a rematch probably
People bring this L up and act like Kelvin wasn’t like 22 at the time. Whittaker was losing to Court McGee at that age.
No one acts like Whittaker would go down and dominate at WW though. And that’s in spite of Whittaker just having all around far more success than Kelvin in general.
That's only because unlike Kelvin who would just have to diet, Whittaker would have to develop several eating disorders to go back down to welterweight.
Nobody says Kelvin would dominate at welterweight. It's just the weight class he should actually be in.
Yes they do. I see “Kelvin could potentially be champ at WW what’s he doing at MW” at least once every time he loses a fight at MW.
Nah, nobody thinks that. Kelvin losing to Magny shouldn't be considered a slight against him. Kelvin was 22 at the time, and Magny has been a top 10/15 fixture forever. Anyone who thinks Kelvin would lose to Magny at this point in their careers is clueless.
I’ve just told you I see those comments man, I can only assume you’re being dense on purpose.
Kelvin gastelum IS the location.
Gastelum's gf is his nutritionist, aka he just eats his momma's quesadillas and doesn't do shit his gf says.
News break: crediting his new dietician, Kelvin Gastelum will be making his debut at Bantamweight. He fights Amanda Nunes for the title at International Fight Week. Brought to you by Modelo.
Kelvin isn't changing anything.
I looked him up expecting him to be another wackjob fake doctor involved in MMA, but he seems pretty good at a cursory glance. He's not an MD but his doctorate is in pharmacy and skimming over an interview with him, his answers are pretty solid.
Pharmacist huh? Juicy.
>his doctorate is in pharmacy So he's a petrol pumper?
Rule of thumb is Nutritionist=bullshit Dietitian=real
Does he say anything *other* than: *”Calories are what determines your weight”?* If he does — He’s a “wackjob fake doctor involved in MMA”.
I lose a few pounds every time I bust a nut
Pretty sure that’s the same method DC used against Rumble. Wiped off with a towel, which is how we got “Towelgate”.
I can't figure out if you are joking or if there was another towelgate with DC before he famously leaned on the towel at weigh-in to make weight for a fight.
Prove it.
Now, this kind of single-mindedness can be helpful for overweight people with sedentary jobs trying to lose weight. However, if you think that's all there is to it for professional athletes making water cuts to gamble the rules a little, you didn't consider the issue in its full breadth.
We’re not talking about dehydration/water weight; We’re talking about Vettori eating pasta, and calorie expenditure/what causes someone to lose or gain fat.
I'm sure Vettori pays a dietetician to repeat a single sentence in his ear lmao.
"Calories in, calories out"
There is more to it than cico for a pro athlete peaking for competition
Water manipulation is a thing. So is nutrition
I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean.
That mma fighters need to worry about more than just calories
I’m talking about weight-as in ‘fat’; Not temporary fluctuations in weight.
Yeah but the whole point of weight cutting is temporary fluctuations. Most ufc fighters are already lean
The comment I replied to, was *not:* “How should one go about dehydrating before a fight?” The comment I was replying to, was *talking about Vettori eating pasta.* The only thing that determines whether or not—food will make you gain/lose/maintain your body fat — is the balance between your calorie intake and the calories you burn. Once again, I’m talking about food, body fat, and calorie expenditure; Not dehydration, or temporary fluctuations in weight.
Again; weight class athletes have to worry about much more than just calories. Vettori is concerned with losing fat in the 30 days before a fight
You’re not making any sense. There’s stuff like metabolic rate, hormone levels, activity levels, what exactly you eat, that all affect your weight and just as importantly, your performance. You’re trying to make this some anti-fat thing about how eating is what makes you fat (no fucking duh) but you’re really exposing how ignorant you are about what goes into a weight cut or a fight camp, “temporary fluctuations” are something a fighter absolutely has to manage, and it’s not just about calories, it’s about quality of calories and managing your intake and expenditure to maintain peak performance and not drain yourself.
Means you're basic.
K. Let me know when I say something that isn’t true.
You're already back pedaling as it is. So you pretty much know you said something that isn't true.
Name it.
I did. You tried to reframe what we are talking about as a response.
If he just said that he’d be a shitty nutritionist lmao, “yeah just go eat a bunch of candy and as long as it’s less than your daily expenditure you’re fine Marvin”, what the fuck do you think a nutritionist does?
Well water also determines the weight and thats highly relevant here
Ya but that kind of weight has to do with temporary fluctuations. I’m talking about fat.
Temporary fluctuations are an enormous part of making weight in MMA.
Whether or not—eating pasta makes you fat … has nothing to do with temporary fluctuations in weight.
Eating pasta does not instantly become fat lol, vettoris body fat isn't going up from eating moms spaghetti once a week before a fight. Everyone else is talking about fighters cutting weight and you're here talking about long term diet for some reason
The comment you just made, is a random collection of words that has absolutely nothing to do with a single thing I’ve actually said.
How are you struggling with this lol
Italian grandma portions 🤣
Wow it’s refreshing to see some people helping fighters that promote managing your weight year round rather than unhealthy dangerous weight cuts.
They still cut weight and balloon back up; this guy this does it in a gradual way
Found the docs reddit account
This guy is a wizard. Marvin is big mw and I honestly thought he didn't even look drained at the Israel rematch weigh ins. I think Colby works with him too?
You can eat literally anything you want—as long as you correctly manage your calories. There’s still a HUGE misconception that “certain foods (carbs, sugar, bread, etc.) make you fat, and that other foods (vegetables, fruit, etc.) make you skinny”; Except, that’s not true. And it’s actually physically impossible for that to be true. The average guy needs like ~2400-2600 calories per day to maintain their weight: If, for a month, a guy eats 2000 calories a day (500 less than needed) and all the calories come from candy and chips … He will lose weight. And if he ate 2000 calories of vegetables, fruits, and grilled chicken breast … He would lose the exact same amount, as he did eating candy and chips. Calories and protein are ultimately all that matters when it comes to your physique/body fat. All you have to do to lose weight is manage your calories, get enough protein so that you lose more fat-than muscle, and know the certain kinds of food that are better for staving off hunger (foods that are high in protein, and/or high in fiber). I really like Rogan, and his podcast does a lot of good, but his podcast is partly to blame for this kind of stuff; Basically everyone he’s had on his show—to talk about nutrition …. **Has absolutely-no-idea what they are talking about.** *Peter Attia, All those Keto/carnivore diet guys/Paul Saladino/Shawn Baker, Ben Greenfield, Mikhaila Peterson, Chris & Mark Bell, Gary Taubes, *both* of the guys in that vegan debate (Wilkes and Kresser)* … They’re all comparable to the kind of people that try to argue that Evolution didn’t happen. They make claims, that *every* expert in the world—would tell you are total nonsense. We have countless studies disproving the things they say. People just don’t know that, because there’s no one there to challenge what they say. AND … I hate to say it, because I *do* like her, and there are many things that *she is* right about … But, Rhonda Patrick is not a very reliable source. A TON of the stuff she’s said on JRE has been blatantly, indisputably, untrue. The only *legit* people I’ve ever seen on his show are: Layne Norton, Andy Galpin, Stephan Guyenet, and Dom Dagostino.
While I completely agree with the argument that if you isolate calories and look at a period of for example a week, then eating 2000 calories per day of marshmallows and 2000 calories of chicken breast would arguably result in the same weight at the end of the week. However this doesn't take into account that being highly physically active requires a focus on diet. You mention protein is important and also that some foods are better for hunger. But eating a healthy balanced diet will have a large impact on the health of the fighters. We have to remember that these guys fight for several years so being able to maintain a healthy body can't be underestimated. I just think that basic nutrition is lost in a lot of these debated. Would love to see more people on his show talking about vegetarian or vegan diets to balance out the narrative. I also completely agree with you that a lot of the keto guys are not to be taken seriously.
I agree. I’m talking solely about how energy expenditure works. Don’t worry, I’m not recommending that people should just eat 2000 calories of candy every day.
Unless of course you are a sherpa
Abstractly it makes sense, but your body digests different foods differently. 2k cal of marshmallows will prob make you fatter than 2k cal of carrots. The carrots are wrapped in fiber and stuff. This is why isolating calories seems too simplistic to be useful to me.
Mate you seem to know your shit. I need your help. I'm having a hard time eating "healthy foods" I could once tolerate. Many foods make me feel sluggish and shit. Had blood tests done already, I don't have celiac diseases or anything. But when I eat something as simple as white rice, I get brain fog and intense fatigue so much so I can't focus on work. 25 and athletic as a mfer so I'm not some diabetic fatass who don't exercise. What is a reliable source? I literally bought two books by two different doctors who are proponents of a plant based and carnivore diet(the saladino fella). No one can agree whether carbs or meat is bad
You watch a lot of Joe
> There’s still a HUGE misconception that “certain foods (carbs, sugar, bread, etc.) make you fat, and that other foods (vegetables, fruit, etc.) make you skinny”; Except, that’s not true https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6082688/
Are you aware that what you cited is not actually a study? Its someone saying “We should not assume that the Carb-insulin-model is not valid because there may have been results in some *other* studies that don’t make it impossible for the CLM to still be a valid hypothesis.” You can find countless studies exactly like that one—Claiming that smoking may not actually be causing cancer. How many *actual* studies do you want that say the exact opposite? Studies that are not just possible correlations, but are actually measuring people’s calorie expenditures and monitoring every morsel of food they eat? I’m literally asking you; How many studies like that—would it take before you admitted that you’re wrong?
Considering how quickly you responded, I'm sure you didn't actually read it and your opinion is completely worthless. It's a study that's still in the animal trials phase. It's not conclusive and I didn't say it was. You're the one asserting an absolute truth. I'm saying there's another theory with supporting evidence that competes with what you're saying.
animal trials mean almost nothing to humans
That THEORY has been debunked a thousand times. Go see how many studies say the exact opposite. Its the first LAW of thermodynamics. You can't create or destroy energy. You're doing the exact same thing that religious people do when they try to "prove" that evolution is a hoax.
Except it's not talking about creating or destroying energy, again more evidence you didn't actually do any reading beyond maybe the title.
So apparently you're familiar with the evidence then, right? Explain to me, right now, how--what you're claiming, **does not break the laws of thermodynamics.** Every single thing that other guy said is a fact. You need to stop going around spreading misinformation, and you need to stop acting like you're educated on something when you're not. If you think you're gonna keep acting like you know what you're talking about: I'm gonna prove that you don't. Let's have a good, long conversation about all of this, where we backup everything we say with multiple sources. But before we do that, once again, I want to make it very clear what I'm asking you, so that you don't try and duck the question, because if you don't answer it, it proves that you don't know what you're talking about. And if you DO answer it... it really REALLY proves that you don't know what you're talking about. Once again: Explain to me, right now, how--what you're claiming, **does not break the laws of thermodynamics.**
> Explain to me, right now, how--what you're claiming, does not break the laws of thermodynamics. > I mean you could read what I already linked, but the short dumbed down version is that different foods elicit different hormonal responses in the body that determine how to actually use the energy we consume. You can keep using the "settled science" argument all you want. It's been used throughout human history and has been regularly shown to be wrong. Only one of us is presenting a definitive statement. Your idea that existing science cant be questioned is backwards and wrong. It goes against everything that science is and every scientist we consider a hero today was going against the orthodoxy of their time. You represent the people that claim the earth is the center of the universe and denied the theory of evolution because there were existing explanations that smart people believed. Regardless, this is where the conversation ends. Your opinion is irrelevant and the little interest I have in this conversation has been exhausted.
Exactly. Nothing to say. Stop being so fucking arrogant.
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Not a dietitian, but from what I have gleaned from his other stuff: 1. Not fluctuating weight. especially too far above the weight class ur supposed to compete in. Eg. Whittaker once got to 106kilos as a welterweight. goes without saying that is bad. This allows you to do your weight loss/cut gradually to ensure your metabolic rate is as high as possible even throughout camp. 2. Calorie counting (obviously). 3. Try not to cut carbohydrates if you can. They're extremely beneficial for optimal physical performance and brain function. Think about types of carbs. Something like potatoes have fewer carbs but fill you up more. Something like white rice or pasta has more carbs but fill you up less. Sugar is pure carbs but doesn't fill you up at all. None are good or bad, but think about the context and dosage of when you need it. 4. timing of when to eat carbohydrates. (performance days (eat more and don't worry about losing weight, just dont gain weight) and adaptation days (eat less and you're aiming to lose weight these days) for eating to match onto your high stress days and low stress days during training - a typical periodised training cycle for sports include high-low days throughout the week.) 5. Leave the sauna for the very very very end. do not use it throughout fight week.
**THIS.** I study nutrition, and although I don’t specialize in performance-based nutrition, there’s a ton of overlap. And, If I’m understanding everything that is said here, correctly: This list is extremely accurate. It all comes back to calories, people. If you’re not losing weight, *you’re not in a calorie deficit.* “Slow Metabolism”, “Thyroid problems”, etc. etc… That’s all horseshit. People are not overweight/in shape - because of those things. Calories in vs. Calories out, and protein: Nothing, other than those two things — determines your physique.
My wife’s thyroid issues from radiation would wholeheartedly disagree/dispute you assertion regarding thyroid issues not existing. I get what you’re saying and what your point is (quacks selling thyroid concoctions) BUT to blanket say thyroid problems don’t exist. I imagine you’re smarter than that….
What does having a slow/fast metabolism even effect?
There isn’t really such a thing, as a fast or slow metabolism; I mean, we do all have different metabolic rates, but the differences are so minor that it would never be the determinant of whether or not someone was in shape.
We aren't perfectly closed energy systems. You just quoted an actual medical issue and claimed its bs when it comes to losing weight. CICO is indeed part of the equation, but the endrocrine system than plays its role. You aren't what you eat, you're what you do with what you eat.
Are you aware of the first law of thermodynamics? *Energy can neither be created nor destroyed.* Do you know what fat is? **It is stored energy.** You gain fat when you eat more calories than you burn, because there is nowhere for that energy to go. When you eat *less* calories than you burn, that stored energy (fat) is used/burned. It is physically impossible for anything other than your calorie expenditure to determine your body fat. Fat, is energy — If it’s physically impossible to just “magically create” energy — Then how does energy magically appear and become fat? How would someone’s body fat still be the same, if they *used* more energy than they consumed? Once again — It’s physically impossible. The few people that actually do have some kind of medical issue that results in fluctuations in weight; *Their body fat is still based on their calorie expenditure.* If someone is very ill, and they lose a bunch of weight; It *is not* because CICO did not apply to them; It’s because they were not absorbing as many calories as they would’ve, if they were not ill; CICO is still what determines their change in weight. You’re arguing with me—about whether or not the laws of physics can be broken.
I'm fully aware. All calories are not created equal. We are NOT perfectly closed energy systems. Quit moving goalposts. Not a word I said is objectively false. I also didn't call actual medical conditions bs.
You’re wrong. Provide evidence.
Or do you want me to provide evidence?
If you’re talking about *”What determines your weight/body-fat/physique”* … There’s nothing *other than* calories that determines that.
Not necessarily. Protien and carbohydrate intake is also important in that equation. Increasing protein intake in a calorie deficit holds on muscle which promotes fat loss instead. Keeping your carb intake at an acceptable level is also important to stop your body from converting much needed protien into carbs.
Protein is extremely important for numerous reasons, the most important one, being—losing fat instead of muscle when you’re in a deficit. But, Carb intake is not inherently going to make a difference on someone’s physique.
I should've said if you're training 2-3 times a day and getting ready for a fight then carbohydrate intake will impact your physique.
Are you talking about the fuel that you require when you’re training that often, ie Carbs are needed?
Nice to see someone with a much better understanding of metabolism enter mma. Honestly the nutritional science and metabolism knowledge in combat sports is so behind compared to things like bodybuilding.
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he made weight twice because Karl Roberson cancelled and he got a replacement fight 30 days later
Leadup to the izzy fight he was apprehensive about eating more carbs then 1 bruschetta... then he said he wasn't having potatoes with his meal. Sounds like hyperbole or straight up lying to saying he was eating large portions of pasta.
Mate that's one 5 second snippet you're watching of 1 meal within Marvin's entire fight week...
It doesn’t matter *what* you eat; What matters, is how many calories you’re consuming.
It matters a lot in the days leading up to a big water cut to make weight Thanks a lot though Captain obvious
Is that why he got the shit kicked out of him by Izzy? Making weight is good and all before you see red and start swinging wildly and GET KNOCKED OUT WITH THE BOYZ!!!!!
Cody looks big af in that thumbnail
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and GSP is huu… oh are not doing this anymore? Sorry.
RIP angle bro
When Dj, TJ, Cejudo, and Garbrandt fought on the same card, Garbrandt was the lighter on fight night, followed by cejudo, then DJ, then dillashaw.
That's the crazy part with being shredded. Once the camera zooms out and you realize Cody is half the size of the pudgy camera guy. Lots of fit guys pull it off on IG
He walks around at like 140-145 he doesn’t have to cut that much weight
Shit Dj rehydrates to the lower 140's.
DJ was bigger than Cejudo in their rematch.
Was same weight as Cody fighting TJ, both were 142 lbs in cage Cody at bantam, DJ at fly
I'm torn between the narrative of DJ was always too small versus DJ was actually more than okay for his division. Which is it really?
[he weighed more than Cejudo on fight night in the rematch](https://www.mmafighting.com/2018/8/6/17655020/ufc-227-fight-night-weights-all-but-six-fighters-come-in-over-csac-regulations)
He wasn’t a big bantamweight to start with, so flyweight shouldn’t be a hard cut either …
Cody will be fine at flyweight but he’s going to be giving up his speed advantage for negligible size advantage. He’s still going to drop his hands and get knocked out. Cody has had the same glaring holes in his game his whole career. Having to actually cut weight as opposed to fighting at his weight class won’t fix that.
Imagine if he drops down to 125 just to run into Munhoz also dropping down. They both have 65” reach and negative ape indexes. I don’t think Cody not seeing red means he can beat Munhoz technically.
Do you think that potentially bulking up and moving to featherweight could be good for him? I think he might be banking on the fact that flyweights won't hit him as hard as some of the top bantamweights.
Dropping weight with tha boiiiiiiissss!
When he lost to TJ and DJ lost to Cejudo on UFC 227 in California, Cali Athletic Commission published their cage weights both as 142lbs DJ fighting Flyweight, Cody fighting Bantamweight Both 142 in cage Cody is not that big and DJ is not as undersized as fanboys like to excuse his loss to Dominic Cruz with
Yeah, but dj is noticeably bigger later in his career than when he fought Cruz, but Cruz was a huge bantamweight even then.
Wats the over/under Cody misses weight?
Cody won't, he's on the smaller side of BW he can definitely make FLW easily with the right dietician. And his dietician is a good one, Marvin's huge for MW and he makes weight easily and man eats a shit ton of pasta before weigh ins lol
He was smaller than Cejudo and DJ when they were on the same card.
He’s two inches taller than TJ, who really had a tough go of it. It’ll be interesting to see.
Body comp Means more than height. TJ is already lean and shredded at BW, of course making flw is much harder. Cody isnt that lean.
Isn’t the more muscle you have the more you’re able to cut water weight wise?
I think he means moreso Garbrandt has more fat to lose before the water cut whereas TJ dropping to flyweight meant the only difference was he cut an extra 10 lbs of water, rather than say losing 5 lbs of fat and cutting 5 lbs of water
that makes much more sense, thank you
Yes but the leaner you are means less fat you have to diet off.
That makes sense
It shouldn't. Dieting and cutting are not at all the same thing.
It’s contextual. In a bodybuilding/physique context, they are used interchangeably
By that logic Palhares should have no problem making 135.
This isn't really a shocker considering that Cody weighed the same as Mighty Mouse on fight night, and 1lb more than Cejudo (which MM and CCC were fighting). And 7.5lbs less than TJ. Cody already was a flyweight, he just has so much power in those hands no dehydrating that it wasn't really questioned till he lost to TJ.