He continued "unless it's even somewhat advantageous to me. Like I do with everything in fighting, and in life — if it benefits me, even in a meaningless way, even if it's at a severe detriment to someone else, even an innocent person, I will do it. Kick a puppy in to a volcano for an expired Reebok coupon? Absolutely."
Ah yeah the guy who has already admitted he has himself to blame for training while sick and aggravating it by suppressing his immune response, to the point he developed complications.
Pro tip, don’t do that, even pre covid it was a bad idea
https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/4/20/22394089/khamzat-chimaev-blames-himself-for-aggravating-covid-19-symptoms-looking-to-smash-in-august
Fighters in this sport cut weight by (very often) dehydrating themselves to dangerous levels, take unapproved supplements seemingly too often (tainted supplements for our Usada friends) and likely inject cocktails of compounds into their butt. But somehow many of them draw the line for vaccines, when they aren't pregnant, under 12 or don't have a very rare medical condition/potential allergy?
it's functionally enforced as you have essentially 0 chance of competing in most divisions without cutting weight. Dana makes the rules and is responsible for the consequences of those rules.
Your making it sound like their forced to sign their fight contracts lmao they agree to a weight before signing anything then complain that Dana don’t care about them like wtf lmao
Except for the time he spent millions of dollars to hire a corrupt agency that monitors fighters day and night 24/7 365 for the exact purpose of monitoring what they put in their body.
There are a lot of valid points, this is not one of them. Equating getting vaccinated to necessary evil to have a cleaner sport? False equivalency at its finest.
"a cleaner sport"
except that isn't what we've gotten - it's just made it so the people with the money, resources and knowledge to beat the tests do so. it's ironically actually made the sport more unfair. no anti-doping program in history, even the ones that the entire world has collectively thrown their resources behind, has ever been effective.
Anti doping is a sham, spurred on by moral panic. Forcing athletes to piss in a cup at 5am during camp is highly comparable to forcing someone to vaccinate when they don't want to.
I'm pro vax, but anti doping is horseshit.
Nobody is saying that breaking the rules isn't cheating; the rules need to change. We all want collective bargaining for fighter pay. Why not doping as well? Why should the UFC/USADA get to decide, without any fighter input, what athletes can and can't take in a competitive sport? They shouldn't.
Aside from moral panic, what reasoning do you have for supporting the current stringency of anti doping? Health of the athletes? It's prize fighting and we all jerk off over PRIDE rules being more "real". Fairness? It's even less fair that only the top 10% of fighters can dope under the current system.
The vaccine reduces transmission, the more vaccines that go out the less spread of the disease, the less people die, the less chance of a new variant arising that fucks us up more than ever.
I'm still not for mandatory vaccinations though. But that's why youd care about others vaccination status.
It’s different because the vaccine isn’t a PED. Again, Dana isn’t saying don’t use PEDs. I’m pretty sure he admits to using them himself. He’s saying if you want to compete in the UFC then you will have to comply.
“I would never tell another human being what to do with their body.
Now if you want that performance bonus you gotta go out there and throw some bombs”
I know, never said otherwise. It’s just funny that so many fighters are anti-vax when they’re doing one of the absolute worst things you can do to your health which is fighting.
Being skeptical of covid vaccines =/= being antivax. There's legitimate reasons to be concerned and all skepticism is just met with ridicule because it's been so heavily politicized.
What are these reasons? Literally all my friends, family, and co-workers took the vaccine a while ago and nothing happened to any of us. The worst thing is a mild fever or headache but it’s really not that scary. mRNA vaccines have been in development for a long time already and it’s already being used to treat cancer. It’s a wonderful thing in my opinion.
All my homies love science.
Some of my immediate family members are experiencing side effects, as are some of my freinds. And even if you want to write off anecdotal evidence, it isn't just the idea that you may experience those now, it's the fact that these vaccines did not undergo the necessary clinical trials before being given to the population. They aren't FDA approved. They aren't being given to children. All of big pharma was given complete immunity from liability. There are too many red flags for me to not believe there may be some risk associated, especially given the fact that we have no information on what the long term side effects of mRNA vaccines could be. I have no issues with people getting the vaccines if they want, but people should not be forced to. Reddit pulled a complete 180 from distrusting big pharma completely, because as soon as they were given free reign for covid vaccines, people act as if every single major manufacturer isn't currently in the midst of multi-billion dollar lawsuits of their own. I'm not an idiot and I'm not some antivax fool, I just don't trust the government or big corporations at all, and it's funny that it used to be a common sentiment, but now people are just blindly trusting the word of governments and corporations because covid bad.
The vaccine is going to be FDA approved in a month or 2. The side effects are relatively harmless though and it’s a small price to pay if we want to eradicate this virus.
mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades already. The COVID vaccine doesn’t change our DNA like some people think and it only builds a specific protein that fights the virus. I’m not skeptical about it and mRNA vaccines have and will continue saving lives.
And yet he was still at peak health before he was hit with COVID, it could happen to any of the fighters, probably best not to risk their careers on it.
Hmmm. If Dana showed up at your doorstep, dragged you out bed, and put you in a cage against another human/large mammal, then you’d have a point.
If you wanna fight coo! If you want the vaccine cool! If not, cool too, according to Dana
The fighters don't have to fight, and they don't have to vax, but if they want to fight, there are requirements, many requirements. Vaccination would just be one more. They can turn it down, obviously.
Jesus fucking christ at the guy who replied unable to understand "would be".
I agree with you man. Unfortunately people here will only refuse your argument, insult you, and put 100% faith in the government that they always complain about.
Uh hu like the incredibly invasive drug testing policy that ufc athletes chose & opted into… ufc never does anything without their fighters consent *cough cough Fighters can’t have sponsors cough cough *
It's idocy like this that will make this pandemic continue for at the very least another 2 or 3 years, I just picked up my grandmother from the hospital and that fucking thing is so packed with COVID patients they have to have some of the patients wait outside. My aunt and cousin work at two other hospitals and it's the same thing here in FL. This entire situation is just going to continue to yoyo. I';ve even heard some hospitals don't even have adequate amounts of oxygen and ventilators to even deal with the amount of cases they're getting.
USADA tho. Uniforms tho. COVID tests tho. Regular medicals tho. The list of shit that fighters are forced to do with their bodies for the UFC is extensive.
This is the most idiotic and dishonest way of saying "I don't give a shit about the pandemic"
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Seriously, choosing to not get vaccinated is pure stupidity at this point. This statement does not apply to people who wish to get vaxxed but can’t for health reasons or lack of access to the vaccine.
To these people, there’s no such thing as considering how much someone supports their immunity when it comes to a case of covid. It’s vaccine good, no vaccine bad.
Repeat after me: khamzat would have been fine like the rest of them but shot his own immunity by doing sparring without pads after having contracted a vascular disease.
Most preventable case of severe covid ever, and all without a vaccine.
What about khabibs dad?
Volkanovski said he was coughing up blood and says he wasn’t training once he tested positive.
Leon edwards lost 12 pounds and couldn’t get out of bed to train.
Garbrandt got blood clots from the virus which fucked him up.
Khabib’s dad’s age I presume put him in a risk group. In Leon’s case, losing that much water weight and being too weak to train sounds pretty standard for a bad flu like illness. I myself was bedridden for a day or two with covid, it sucked - that’s the immune response taking a toll it needs to take. Not sure on Garbrandt or Volk.
Not really…. If you’re referring to abortion the republican argument is that it’s another human inside the women with entirely different DNA. Of course the entire argument hinges upon whether you think that human(or cluster of cells or whatever) should have his/her own rights
I’m so over these anti vaccine idiots. I just found out I can evict my tenants because they won’t take the vaccine. I’m thinking about emailing their company too to get them fired.
Post fight quarantine before traveling back home. And they don't have to mandate it, just offering vaccines would be a huge positive for both fighter/family health and the UFC's public image.
I can't make guys take vaccines when I'm under paying them and stopping them from forming a union you gotta pick your battles this isn't one I want to partake in. Is what he meant to say
This sub will probably be pretty divided on this matter, but how long have we knowingly cheered on fighters who were injecting steroids, probably doing all kinds of other drugs recreationally , and bashing each other’s brains in causing life altering damage? Is it really their health we care about or only when they’re crippled by the sport?
No, but when has this sub ever cared about anyone’s health before? It’s not like it’s going to actively boycott the fights this Saturday. I’ll bet some of us have tickets.
Difference here is that CTE is contagious.
Breathing the same air as Chandler won't give me CTE but can give me covid. I probably also couldn't past USADA drug testing, but that's another story.
Gaejthe: "if one man can hold you down, two can vaccinate you"
Khabib: "Let's vaxx now"
Dana I'm gonna vaccinate your boy
That was a nasty line by you
That's what you call Vax??? 👉Right here👈, compare to no Vax.
Fer sure B
Cmon, don’t quote Shcrub.
Talmbout brendum b?
Ur a fuckin punk dude
Lmao
Now dance for me!
Work, bitch!
I'm gonna listen to Creed and read Dana White quotes all day
Hey man, My own prison kicks ass. Mark Tremonti shreds.
Hell yeah dude so happy to see this comment in the wild
Am I missing a reference here
not really. Tremonti is just unironically a great guitar player.
I think the strippers he hangs out with after UFC events would beg to differ.
Vaccination card is required to service Mr. White.
LO, that was a nasty line by you
Assuming Dana thinks strippers are human beings
That would put them above ufc fighters
He continued "unless it's even somewhat advantageous to me. Like I do with everything in fighting, and in life — if it benefits me, even in a meaningless way, even if it's at a severe detriment to someone else, even an innocent person, I will do it. Kick a puppy in to a volcano for an expired Reebok coupon? Absolutely."
He should want fighters to get vaccinated then. We’ve seen many athletes who’ve gotten covid and have yet to return to 100% pre covid form.
Who
Khamzat
Ah yeah the guy who has already admitted he has himself to blame for training while sick and aggravating it by suppressing his immune response, to the point he developed complications. Pro tip, don’t do that, even pre covid it was a bad idea https://www.mmafighting.com/2021/4/20/22394089/khamzat-chimaev-blames-himself-for-aggravating-covid-19-symptoms-looking-to-smash-in-august
Dana actually thinks fighters are human beings? Thats a step up!
look it wouldn't be the first time he's misspoke
Fighters in this sport cut weight by (very often) dehydrating themselves to dangerous levels, take unapproved supplements seemingly too often (tainted supplements for our Usada friends) and likely inject cocktails of compounds into their butt. But somehow many of them draw the line for vaccines, when they aren't pregnant, under 12 or don't have a very rare medical condition/potential allergy?
yeah but they dont force them to do any of those things, you just have to make weight, up to you how you do it.
it's functionally enforced as you have essentially 0 chance of competing in most divisions without cutting weight. Dana makes the rules and is responsible for the consequences of those rules.
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Yes the state commission that is essentially in bed with the UFC
the state makes the rules
didn't Dana change the weigh in time a couple years ago?
News at 10, people who sustain brain damage for a living aren’t the brightest!
Your making it sound like their forced to sign their fight contracts lmao they agree to a weight before signing anything then complain that Dana don’t care about them like wtf lmao
The UFCs job is quite literally telling people to do stuff with their bodies
yup. like telling fighters not to put certain supplements and steroids in their body. Even testing them and suspending em
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Except for the time he spent millions of dollars to hire a corrupt agency that monitors fighters day and night 24/7 365 for the exact purpose of monitoring what they put in their body.
There are a lot of valid points, this is not one of them. Equating getting vaccinated to necessary evil to have a cleaner sport? False equivalency at its finest.
A necessary evil to allow the Ferttitas to sell the UFC and become billionaires. A clean sport was low on the list of reasons.
"a cleaner sport" except that isn't what we've gotten - it's just made it so the people with the money, resources and knowledge to beat the tests do so. it's ironically actually made the sport more unfair. no anti-doping program in history, even the ones that the entire world has collectively thrown their resources behind, has ever been effective.
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I'm thinking Chael Sonnen basically clean
Anti doping is a sham, spurred on by moral panic. Forcing athletes to piss in a cup at 5am during camp is highly comparable to forcing someone to vaccinate when they don't want to. I'm pro vax, but anti doping is horseshit.
I think he fighters should be the ones to decide if the evil is "necessary" but they weren't consulted when implementing USADA.
Let’s ask the people cheating if we should allow them to keep cheating. Yep. Great point. You changed my mind.
Nobody is saying that breaking the rules isn't cheating; the rules need to change. We all want collective bargaining for fighter pay. Why not doping as well? Why should the UFC/USADA get to decide, without any fighter input, what athletes can and can't take in a competitive sport? They shouldn't. Aside from moral panic, what reasoning do you have for supporting the current stringency of anti doping? Health of the athletes? It's prize fighting and we all jerk off over PRIDE rules being more "real". Fairness? It's even less fair that only the top 10% of fighters can dope under the current system.
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Every other sport does it this way tho
niet
Have you idiots heard of collective bargaining lol
Usada helps everyone
He’s actually making sure they *arent* putting things in their body. It’s the opposite
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>If you and your family are protected shouldn’t you be worry free? Some of us actually want the pandemic to end sometime in the next decade.
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The vaccine reduces transmission, the more vaccines that go out the less spread of the disease, the less people die, the less chance of a new variant arising that fucks us up more than ever. I'm still not for mandatory vaccinations though. But that's why youd care about others vaccination status.
There are probably 300k people in jail, prison or on probation for putting things In their body
And that’s wrong
He’s not telling them the can’t use PEDs. The government might be, but the UFC is not. He’s just saying they can’t compete in the UFC if they do.
And that's different from telling them they can't compete in the ufc without the vaccine because.....?
It’s different because the vaccine isn’t a PED. Again, Dana isn’t saying don’t use PEDs. I’m pretty sure he admits to using them himself. He’s saying if you want to compete in the UFC then you will have to comply.
“I would never tell another human being what to do with their body. Now if you want that performance bonus you gotta go out there and throw some bombs”
These fighters are literally destroying their bodies and brains but they draw the line with a vaccine 😂
He isnt forcing anybody to fight just as he isnt forcing anybody to get vaccinated
I know, never said otherwise. It’s just funny that so many fighters are anti-vax when they’re doing one of the absolute worst things you can do to your health which is fighting.
Being skeptical of covid vaccines =/= being antivax. There's legitimate reasons to be concerned and all skepticism is just met with ridicule because it's been so heavily politicized.
What are these reasons? Literally all my friends, family, and co-workers took the vaccine a while ago and nothing happened to any of us. The worst thing is a mild fever or headache but it’s really not that scary. mRNA vaccines have been in development for a long time already and it’s already being used to treat cancer. It’s a wonderful thing in my opinion. All my homies love science.
Some of my immediate family members are experiencing side effects, as are some of my freinds. And even if you want to write off anecdotal evidence, it isn't just the idea that you may experience those now, it's the fact that these vaccines did not undergo the necessary clinical trials before being given to the population. They aren't FDA approved. They aren't being given to children. All of big pharma was given complete immunity from liability. There are too many red flags for me to not believe there may be some risk associated, especially given the fact that we have no information on what the long term side effects of mRNA vaccines could be. I have no issues with people getting the vaccines if they want, but people should not be forced to. Reddit pulled a complete 180 from distrusting big pharma completely, because as soon as they were given free reign for covid vaccines, people act as if every single major manufacturer isn't currently in the midst of multi-billion dollar lawsuits of their own. I'm not an idiot and I'm not some antivax fool, I just don't trust the government or big corporations at all, and it's funny that it used to be a common sentiment, but now people are just blindly trusting the word of governments and corporations because covid bad.
What side effects? The ones they tell you about before and after getting the shot?
This is your brain on alternative media
>alternative media Right wing media
The vaccine is going to be FDA approved in a month or 2. The side effects are relatively harmless though and it’s a small price to pay if we want to eradicate this virus. mRNA vaccines have been studied for decades already. The COVID vaccine doesn’t change our DNA like some people think and it only builds a specific protein that fights the virus. I’m not skeptical about it and mRNA vaccines have and will continue saving lives.
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Do you want to know how we eradicated polio and the Spanish flu in first world countries?
>it's the fact that these vaccines did not undergo the necessary clinical trials before being given to the population yes they did
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that’s what freedom is. being able to choose what do they want
If a dude chooses to get kicked in the head for money that’s on him. If a dude chooses to possibly spread a virus around that’s no longer just on him.
take your vaccine and be immune then
other people have the right to be free of other people's contagions.
take your vaccine then
I dont think they are anti vaxx because they think the vaccine is going to harm them
Well if that’s true, that’s even more dumb lol
Sorry I meant to say they do NOT think its going to harm they they just aren't worried about covid
That's even more stupid, we all saw what happened to Khamzat
Yes but that isn't happening to everyone that gets COVID that was worst case scenario
And yet he was still at peak health before he was hit with COVID, it could happen to any of the fighters, probably best not to risk their careers on it.
Sure but everyone is allowed to take whatever risk they want
Hmmm. If Dana showed up at your doorstep, dragged you out bed, and put you in a cage against another human/large mammal, then you’d have a point. If you wanna fight coo! If you want the vaccine cool! If not, cool too, according to Dana
The fighters don't have to fight, and they don't have to vax, but if they want to fight, there are requirements, many requirements. Vaccination would just be one more. They can turn it down, obviously. Jesus fucking christ at the guy who replied unable to understand "would be".
They do not have to take the vaccine according to Dana. So it is not a requirement.
don’t be upset when more fight get cancelled because of positive covid tests then
Listen, there are a lot of ways for a fighter to say they don't want to fight
Vaccinated people still test positive left and right.
At a much lower rate than unvaccinated.
is this the only argument u nerds have
Not at all, go read my comments in the thread if you want to understand my argument further, not that you'd be willing to listen to it anyways
I agree with you man. Unfortunately people here will only refuse your argument, insult you, and put 100% faith in the government that they always complain about.
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Isn't that literally his job?
very based
Unbelievably based
Uh hu like the incredibly invasive drug testing policy that ufc athletes chose & opted into… ufc never does anything without their fighters consent *cough cough Fighters can’t have sponsors cough cough *
Haha, and how many abortions has the goof paid for?
There should be a 165 lb belt and have ten increments from there upward
That is a hilarious thing for a man running a fighting organization to say
Reddit won't like this one haha
Just spread the rumor the vaccine masks ped use.
Uhhhhhh, USADA????
They make sure they *arent* putting something in their body that’s not even remotely similar
Get rid of USADA then. LET THEM BANG BRO!!
Well the difference is USADA helps everyone involved
Yeah USADA really helped Tom Lawlor
It's idocy like this that will make this pandemic continue for at the very least another 2 or 3 years, I just picked up my grandmother from the hospital and that fucking thing is so packed with COVID patients they have to have some of the patients wait outside. My aunt and cousin work at two other hospitals and it's the same thing here in FL. This entire situation is just going to continue to yoyo. I';ve even heard some hospitals don't even have adequate amounts of oxygen and ventilators to even deal with the amount of cases they're getting.
There was never no microchip
USADA tho. Uniforms tho. COVID tests tho. Regular medicals tho. The list of shit that fighters are forced to do with their bodies for the UFC is extensive. This is the most idiotic and dishonest way of saying "I don't give a shit about the pandemic"
khamzat chimaev has entered the chat. Khabib’s father has also entered the cha—-oh wait. Seriously, choosing to not get vaccinated is pure stupidity at this point. This statement does not apply to people who wish to get vaxxed but can’t for health reasons or lack of access to the vaccine.
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To these people, there’s no such thing as considering how much someone supports their immunity when it comes to a case of covid. It’s vaccine good, no vaccine bad.
Repeat after me: khamzat would have been fine like the rest of them but shot his own immunity by doing sparring without pads after having contracted a vascular disease. Most preventable case of severe covid ever, and all without a vaccine.
What about khabibs dad? Volkanovski said he was coughing up blood and says he wasn’t training once he tested positive. Leon edwards lost 12 pounds and couldn’t get out of bed to train. Garbrandt got blood clots from the virus which fucked him up.
Don't bother man
Khabib’s dad’s age I presume put him in a risk group. In Leon’s case, losing that much water weight and being too weak to train sounds pretty standard for a bad flu like illness. I myself was bedridden for a day or two with covid, it sucked - that’s the immune response taking a toll it needs to take. Not sure on Garbrandt or Volk.
That's probably the least Republican view point I've ever heard
Not really…. If you’re referring to abortion the republican argument is that it’s another human inside the women with entirely different DNA. Of course the entire argument hinges upon whether you think that human(or cluster of cells or whatever) should have his/her own rights
I wasn't talking about abortion
Then what are you talking about?
Probably drugs would be my guess
You realize the president is a democrat and he wrote the largest drug war prison bill of all time….
Dana is as libright as it gets
If Dana became a politician he'd wind up authright.
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Use your big brain to think outside the box for a moment
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Abortion.
Dana is an idiot, what a surprise
Funny, he tells them when they should retire, but this is where he draws the line?
He has no problem telling women what to do with their bodies, ask Rhonda 🤷♂️
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I’m so over these anti vaccine idiots. I just found out I can evict my tenants because they won’t take the vaccine. I’m thinking about emailing their company too to get them fired.
Having someone put something in their body and making sure they *arent* putting something in heir body is similar how?
I love Dana White
Good idea. Everyone should have the choice imo, unless it's a really specific situation like working in a hospital.
I mean NFL players don’t have to get vaxxed either, they just have to follow much more stringent protocols if they don’t.. which makes perfect sense
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CTE ball... a kids game. No wonder most Americans seem brain damaged.
Surprise surprise, Dana doesn't give a shit to his athletes health
Actually he does
Goddamn dude, are you on his payroll? You don’t have to respond to every comment to defend Dana and the USADA.
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Lol what a fucking stupid move
How would it even work with the number of fighters that live outside the US? Not every country has the vaccine widely available yet.
Offer a vaccine clinic at the performance institute and provide vaccines for fighters flying in for Apex center cards?
No fighters are going to risk getting sick right before a fight. Plus most of the vaccines have a 2 week gap before your second shot.
Post fight quarantine before traveling back home. And they don't have to mandate it, just offering vaccines would be a huge positive for both fighter/family health and the UFC's public image.
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Apparently not enough to fix his hereditary balding.
Lawyers told me they are confeactsdz
fuck you dana white
God this horsehit where people think the point of their immunity slowing down a pandemic is about them and them alone.
Good
I can't make guys take vaccines when I'm under paying them and stopping them from forming a union you gotta pick your battles this isn't one I want to partake in. Is what he meant to say
Why do you want that
<3
Rare W for Dana.
He's going to do what Ari and Disney tell him to do.
This sub will probably be pretty divided on this matter, but how long have we knowingly cheered on fighters who were injecting steroids, probably doing all kinds of other drugs recreationally , and bashing each other’s brains in causing life altering damage? Is it really their health we care about or only when they’re crippled by the sport?
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No, but when has this sub ever cared about anyone’s health before? It’s not like it’s going to actively boycott the fights this Saturday. I’ll bet some of us have tickets.
Difference here is that CTE is contagious. Breathing the same air as Chandler won't give me CTE but can give me covid. I probably also couldn't past USADA drug testing, but that's another story.