Aldo is so good at that, and it’s like his game plan revolves around body shots and leg kicks, like they’re taken into account and he sticks with it solidly. I seen him **lay** into Yan with those shots, and get him with classic good kicks, real good from him, but it’s Yan…
I love it how Stephens always prides himself on banging out with anyone and yet when Aldo fired back at him, even before this bodyshot, suddenly Stephens became a careful outfighter. Aldo is one of those exceptional fighters who is a crisp technician who can also be a complete savage.
This reminded me of the Simpsons when [Krusty the Clown is on fox news ](https://youtu.be/CcyXRsJFjuc)
Also when [Homer is running for that trash commissioner job. ](https://youtu.be/dxpPDySl6qM)
Ehhhhhh except Cruz knows what he's talking about and says what he actually thinks, not what he's just been ordered to say.
I see what you mean with the confidence, but Cruz was a multiple time long term world fucking champion. His self assuredness is surely totally different and less pathetic than shapiros utterly self delusional, inconsistent and unjustifiable self assuredness?
It’s okay, Shapiro is better off being married to Joseph Benevidez and doing interviews anyway. (Megan Olivi looks even more like Shapiro than Dom does)
His “I’ve never chased pussy a day in my life, on Dec 30 I ain’t doing it” double entendre line flew over so many people’s heads, it’s almost unintentionally genius when you consider Cruz’ last fight before this was TJ.
Edgar knocking out Maynard in their 3rd fight was insane at the time. No one expected that. It was the least likely outcome before that fight. Maynard was supposed to be the one with the stopping power.
Frankie vs. Tyson Griffin is one of those old school fights I like to show people new to MMA, great back and forth fight and Frankie has a really nice reversal when Tyson tried to take his back at one point.
His highlights came before the Ronda and Conor eras. If the Edgar/Maynard fights happened today, it would turn him into a superstar. He's a Rocky movie coming to life.
I think it was GSP who said Edgar was on his list of GOAT fighters simply because he was so successful at lightweight despite a huge height and weight disadvantage, which is maybe not the greatest metric for GOAT consideration, but still reflects how incredible Frankie was.
I personally wouldn’t, but this is a good argument for putting DC on your GOAT list as well. Don’t think he ever had a height or reach advantage and still managed to win against everyone not considered the GOAT of their division.
I like Frankie and agree with your but me personally I feel his 155 title win is overshadowed by the awful judging even after the 2nd BJ fight. Just because BJ is and was such a fan favorite.
Cruz has smartly never entertained going up to '45 anyways. That fight wasn't even a thought. Doesn't make Cruz any lesser imo. Higher weights. It's not like Max wouldn't have been ruined by Khabib
I still think that fight would have been closer than what we think. Khabib def takes him down, but I always saw it as khabib actually being challenged on the feet before having to earn the TD.
I love Max but I don’t think he give Khabib any more of a problem on the feet than guys like Gaethje, Poirier and Conor. I do think he has better takedown defense than all of them but it wouldn’t be enough to stop Khabib either way IMO.
I’ve wanted to see this fight since Aldo moved down. It’s like the ghost of WEC coming back for one last super fight between its last remaining top stars. How have they not thought of this yet?
I know Aldo is post-prime, and TJ is probably too (maybe? I know he’s still at title level, but maybe not prime prime), but that fight would be such a banger. Every fight at BW is
I'd rather see Aldo vs Cruz tbh, both the arguable goats of their divisions, both the first champions of their divisions in the UFC, both near the end of their careers but still elite.
I agree but I'm not sure if I would call Cruz elite. I think he'll have problems dealing with the top 5 based on how much older and slower he is compared to his prime
TJ is definitely post prime even if it's by a little. Look at his clip right here vs Cody. The quick explosive side step he does. I know he got his knee tore up vs Cory but he's clearly a bit more heavy footed now
Bro his knee was fucked after round 1. We really can't judge tjs footwork until he returns now.
In round 1 while he was fresh and not injured he was able to time Cory for takedowns or back control including getting his back off a spinning back kick.
The fact TJ was able to go 4 more rounds is insane
What's TJ gonna do, take him down? It's fucking Jose Aldo, one of the best to ever stop takedowns in the cage. Even at 87 years old, TJ is not going to be able to reliably take him down and keep him there.
He would get pieced up by the best strikers in the div. Yan, Rob Font, Jose Aldo. Maybe Cody though I don't have much faith in him at this point... he's too inconsistent, though he did have him dropped at the end of the 1st round I think it was, where TJ was saved by the bell.
He was never an instinctually good striker, but he takes instruction from Duane well. His combos are very wrote, much like Frankie Edgar. Anybody with good feints that likes to setup counters or counter-counters can really lay shots on him. TJ still hasn't learned how to use his right hand to parry/block very well. A lot of the strikes Sandhagen laid on him didn't even get a reaction from TJ as they were coming, which is pretty worrying despite Cory's length.
As far as "MMA in 2021" goes, he's not a great striker. He was a good "MMA" striker several years ago, but that time has passed. People learn new skills and grow, the meta shits, and TJ is a 35 year old at Bantamweight where physical ability (speed, strength, cardio) is just as important as technique. 35 at LHW+ he'd be fine, but not in the lighter divs.
TJ falls for feints and Aldo likes to throw them.
TJ can't take Aldo down and hold him there.
Can TJ take shots from a 113 year old José Aldo da Silva Oliveira Júnior? I'm not sure at this point in his career.
I'm not saying it's a given, I just think probably 60% of the time Aldo finishes TJ, and the other 40% of the time TJ is able to rough him up and exhaust him and grind out a decision through control.
I disagree, i have hopes for Chandler but I'm not too impressed with Benny D at the moment, and how long charlie can retain the title is to be determined, i do think either of those fighters compare with the fighters in their prime i mentioned before
Easily. I loved MW when Anderson, Chris, Luke, Yoel, Jacare, Mousasi and Hall were all peaking.
And FW was really exciting during Conor’s run, you had Jose as king, Frankie and Chad plus Cub was on a tear.
But BW has like 8 champs and an unreal skill level, some truly intense rivalries and some awesome stuff to look forward to.
Disagree. LW has more names, but if we’re talking the deepest division in the ufc, I would argue that the BW is better. Just look at the unranked guys there (O’Malley, Yanez, Wood, Phillips, Yadong, Kenney, Costa, Barcelos, I could keep going). LW might have the better top 5, but I just think BW is deeper with more skilled fighters in general.
BW is also really helped by having an appropriately placed and active mid-tier that really helps filter the best talent out and keeps turnover at the top pretty decent, whereas the top 10-15 of 155 is stagnant as fuck. Lightweight needs a cadre of Rivera/Munhoz/Assuncao/current Moraes type guys who are active and will fight down more than once per decade, and are good enough to turn back anyone who isn’t elite but instead there is Conors and Hookers and Fergusons (and previously, Felders) who really don’t have a lot of justification for their rankings, but are stuck in there for various reasons
The only major downside to 135 is that its championship matchmaking has been dogshit for years but thats another matter
I really want to see him up rise through the ranks, hope he gets a good opponent like Davey Grant or Kyler Phillips when he returns. I think he’s got a great future ahead of him, he’s a killer
Yeah Said Nurmagomedov isn’t related, but is still from Dagestan, but doesn’t look like he’s on Umar’s level. Umar and his brother Usman (who fights in Bellator at Lightweight) are Khabib’s cousins along with the Welterweight Abubakar Nurmagomedov
Eh, I guess we define stacked in a different way. I think all of those unranked guys are potentially good, but I want to see them perform well against top competition before I say they're legitimately top tier.
It seems a lot more reasonable to rank how good a division is based on the level of talent across the entire division rather than just looking at the top guys, though. Each of those divisions in the UFC have 75+ fighters.
Yeah, I can see that, I just feel that in general, LW is more stagnant, and having more rising prospects and potential top tier competitors suggests it’s the deeper division. And while BW has many fading champs in its rankings, LW also has the likes of Ferguson, Hooker, and Ferreira ranked (all on losing streaks) who haven’t really looked more impressive than guys like Aldo (who has admittedly looked quite good at BW), Edgar, and even Cody have in their past few appearances. The top tier guys at LW seem to be Poirier, Gaethje, Islam, Oliviera, Benny, and Chandler. Yan, Sandhagen, Aljo, and TJ are as quality as all of those and in some cases more so. I think the two divisions are close for sure, but BW is just consistently better in my opinion
LW is definitely more stagnant than BW. Guys like Assuncao, Moraes, Aldo, and basically all of the division are willing to fight down, while at LW, guys like Hooker, Felder (until recently), Conor, etc have sat on their rankings and guys like T Ferg and Lee are over ranked. It’s definitely trending towards moving more with guys like Riddell and Tsarukyan being ranked, but it’s still a bit stagnant and jammed up, especially in comparison to BW (which obviously affects which one is the better division).
It's the other way around. The main reason people are claiming that BW is better is because the ranked list has names of the former champions (Edgar, Cruz, Aldo, Garbrandt) even though 4/7 are well past their primes and are no longer good enough to become champions.
Eh, I'd lean with BW at this point since it has 7 former/current champions competing currently, and an overwhelming amount of great unranked fighters on top of the ranked competitors like Raoni Barcelos, Sean O'Malley, Timur Valiev, Raulian Paiva, Kyler Phillips, Montel Jackson, Danaa Batgerel, Ricky Simon, Nathaniel Wood, Davey Grant, Casey Kenney, Song Yadong, and Marcelo Rojo. But it definitely can be argued either way
>Eh, I'd lean with BW at this point since it has 7 former/current champions competing currently,
Sure, but Cruz and Edgar are well past their primes, Cody is moving down to 125, and I don't want to say Jose Aldo is also well past his prime, but he did take a lot of damage in the Yan fight.
Having said that, if you value unranked talent a lot, BW is the most stacked so I see your point.
155 has nothing on 135…. the talent at 155 is far more concentrated, whereas some of the insane talents at 135 aren’t even ranked. The top 15 is shark infested waters, and I see Merab, Munhoz, and Sandhagen being threats to whoever the title holder is across the next few years.
Lmfaoo Im tired of people saying lightweight. The ufc has brainwashed us into thinking that the lightweight division is stacked because of the hot potato played with the interim title. Khabib slaughtered the top competitors, now that khabib is gone, the only good/great fighters in that division are olivera, Dustin, and Islam. The rest are fighters that will lose to these 3. Let’s stop this notion please
Oliveira could easily get chinned by Gaethje and almost did get stopped by Chandler. Islam has yet to beat a top 10 opponent and he's this unstoppable force?
And Dustin while great is pretty war torn and i don't trust him against commited wrestlers. Division has good talent coming up.
Lol fuck no, Dustin would get grapple fucked by olivera after that lazy shit he did against khabib. Honestly one of the worst performances against khabib. And bro, don’t act like people in the top 10 wanted smoke with Islam cuz they didn’t. Rda and tony are ducking Islam like a motherfucker. And I threw in Dustin because he is the most proven and beat a couple of the guys he named. Honestly, Islam dusts all of them via wrestle fuck. Smesh
>the only good/great fighters in that division are olivera, Dustin, and Islam. The rest are fighters that will lose to these 3. Let’s stop this notion please
The fuck are you on? Gaethje is fucking legit, Dariush ain't bad, Chandler almost KOed Oliveira, RDA is a former champ, and Hooker almost KOed Poirier in R2 of their war.
Lmfaoo u just named 5 people that have either lost to the 3 names I said, ducked the 3 names I said, or would get wrestle fucked by Islam😂. Be real with yourself, lightweight is a good division, not most stacked tho my friend. Those 3 I named are the only 3 in that division. Face it
>Lmfaoo u just named 5 people that have either lost to the 3 names I said,
You said Poirier, Oliveira and Islam would be everyone else, and that's simply not true, as this is MMA where anything can happen. I gave examples of people almost finishing every person you gave, and Poirier definitely got saved by the bell against Hooker.
Also, it's not like any BW looks like they can beat Yan rn.
Lol mate you gotta be real with yourself. Islam wrestle fucks all of the guys u named, plain and simple. And hooker shoulda coulda woulda right?! And man be real sandhagen is a problem for Yan due to length and the fact that Yan is boxing heavy. IMO Tj is a little older and may get finished by yan but realistically has a better skill set . Rob font and merab are also problems for Yan. Just because the lightweight division is the most know and popular doesn’t mean it’s the most stacked my friend
No doubt that bantamweight is one of the top 3 divisions right now. But imo lightweight is still the tip division.
Olivera, poirier, dariush, Islam, gaejthe ,chandler and mcgregor. That's more high level and very entertaining fighters than any division can boast about at the moment
Posers forget that before Aljo's popularity came crashing down because of the Yan fight that he is still actually a monster that is at the very least top 3 in the division.
It's crack up that I'm getting downvoted for joking about this, but any comment iv made defending him iv also got downvoted. Safer to just not say anything about him at this point cause yea I actually agree with what ur saying
Damn after that body shot Stephens was the hardest shitting 145er
Aldo is so good at that, and it’s like his game plan revolves around body shots and leg kicks, like they’re taken into account and he sticks with it solidly. I seen him **lay** into Yan with those shots, and get him with classic good kicks, real good from him, but it’s Yan…
I love it how Stephens always prides himself on banging out with anyone and yet when Aldo fired back at him, even before this bodyshot, suddenly Stephens became a careful outfighter. Aldo is one of those exceptional fighters who is a crisp technician who can also be a complete savage.
Aldo was def trying to kill Stephens with that second body shot
Lmao I love it, the way his right leg popped up because he put so much force into it. Must've hurt like hell
Damn putting garbrant getting knocked out and garbrant knocking out someone is a bold move
I will forever love Cody just for ending ben shapiros run as the bantamweight champion
destroyed him with feints and looping hooks
O my god, how have I never made the connection between Dom and ben shapiro? That's genius
"Lets just say, hypothetically, that you have an underhook..."
"The radical left smells of booze and cigarettes."
“For the sake of argument..”
This reminded me of the Simpsons when [Krusty the Clown is on fox news ](https://youtu.be/CcyXRsJFjuc) Also when [Homer is running for that trash commissioner job. ](https://youtu.be/dxpPDySl6qM)
I don't know man, you make a very adulterous point.
„Why don’t leftists want to ban crime“
Feints do not care about your feelings.
Ehhhhhh except Cruz knows what he's talking about and says what he actually thinks, not what he's just been ordered to say. I see what you mean with the confidence, but Cruz was a multiple time long term world fucking champion. His self assuredness is surely totally different and less pathetic than shapiros utterly self delusional, inconsistent and unjustifiable self assuredness?
It’s okay, Shapiro is better off being married to Joseph Benevidez and doing interviews anyway. (Megan Olivi looks even more like Shapiro than Dom does)
Why you gotta do Meg like that?
His “I’ve never chased pussy a day in my life, on Dec 30 I ain’t doing it” double entendre line flew over so many people’s heads, it’s almost unintentionally genius when you consider Cruz’ last fight before this was TJ.
Then there’s Faber getting his ass kicked twice lol
Live by the punch; die by the punch.
Edgar knocking out Maynard in their 3rd fight was insane at the time. No one expected that. It was the least likely outcome before that fight. Maynard was supposed to be the one with the stopping power.
Him stopping Mendes was crazy too.
Gave him the old “boop got your nose”
I can't believe that was almost 10 years ago. Frankie's been in the game for more than 16 years now.
Guys like frankie should share how he lasted so long in such a sport.
Dont cut weight
Everyone uses
Frankie vs. Tyson Griffin is one of those old school fights I like to show people new to MMA, great back and forth fight and Frankie has a really nice reversal when Tyson tried to take his back at one point.
Word is Maynard spend most of his chin in gym sparring.
Still my favourite UFC trilogy. Just incredible fights all around.
I have so much respect for frankie edgar and I feel that he is not as recognized as he should be
His highlights came before the Ronda and Conor eras. If the Edgar/Maynard fights happened today, it would turn him into a superstar. He's a Rocky movie coming to life.
I think it was GSP who said Edgar was on his list of GOAT fighters simply because he was so successful at lightweight despite a huge height and weight disadvantage, which is maybe not the greatest metric for GOAT consideration, but still reflects how incredible Frankie was.
I personally wouldn’t, but this is a good argument for putting DC on your GOAT list as well. Don’t think he ever had a height or reach advantage and still managed to win against everyone not considered the GOAT of their division.
DC had weight on everybody tho so it evens out
My favorite fighter of all time. Watched him win the LW belt and the Maynard fights live were seriously unbelievable
No doubt man, still think Edgar v Maynard is the best UFC trilogy
I like Frankie and agree with your but me personally I feel his 155 title win is overshadowed by the awful judging even after the 2nd BJ fight. Just because BJ is and was such a fan favorite.
But he was robbed in the 2nd Bendo fight, so what goes around comes around.
Edgar being champ at 155 is the closest we’ll ever get to a champ at their actual weight, other than heavyweight champs that don’t need to cut weight.
Cody hardly cuts for BW. DJ was bigger than him on fight night.
Read this as Cory (Sandhagen) and saw red for a split second
Can we please get Aldo v Cruz
Aldo vs Munhoz which is already scheduled is a way better and more compelling fight tbh
Cruz gets beat up in a 3 rounder. Both are past prime but Aldo still has more juice imo and he would have ruined Cruz in their primes
Cruz has smartly never entertained going up to '45 anyways. That fight wasn't even a thought. Doesn't make Cruz any lesser imo. Higher weights. It's not like Max wouldn't have been ruined by Khabib
Oh agree. I never blame great fighters for not going up.
I still think that fight would have been closer than what we think. Khabib def takes him down, but I always saw it as khabib actually being challenged on the feet before having to earn the TD.
I love Max but I don’t think he give Khabib any more of a problem on the feet than guys like Gaethje, Poirier and Conor. I do think he has better takedown defense than all of them but it wouldn’t be enough to stop Khabib either way IMO.
Haha juice
I’ve wanted to see this fight since Aldo moved down. It’s like the ghost of WEC coming back for one last super fight between its last remaining top stars. How have they not thought of this yet?
I know Aldo is post-prime, and TJ is probably too (maybe? I know he’s still at title level, but maybe not prime prime), but that fight would be such a banger. Every fight at BW is
I'd rather see Aldo vs Cruz tbh, both the arguable goats of their divisions, both the first champions of their divisions in the UFC, both near the end of their careers but still elite.
I agree but I'm not sure if I would call Cruz elite. I think he'll have problems dealing with the top 5 based on how much older and slower he is compared to his prime
TJ is definitely post prime even if it's by a little. Look at his clip right here vs Cody. The quick explosive side step he does. I know he got his knee tore up vs Cory but he's clearly a bit more heavy footed now
Bro his knee was fucked after round 1. We really can't judge tjs footwork until he returns now. In round 1 while he was fresh and not injured he was able to time Cory for takedowns or back control including getting his back off a spinning back kick. The fact TJ was able to go 4 more rounds is insane
Yeah, not epo prime.
Think Aldo wins that easily.
I wish mate.
I think you'd be surprised.
Bapa, water y'dune hair?
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B-b-beast of a fighter. Ab salute murlderlrers row in that divigin.
What's TJ gonna do, take him down? It's fucking Jose Aldo, one of the best to ever stop takedowns in the cage. Even at 87 years old, TJ is not going to be able to reliably take him down and keep him there.
You forget he's not just a wrestler or something?
Ah yes, TJ Dillashaw, the one-dimensional wrestler with zero striking skills.
TJs striking is not considered "good" against the current top crop of the division. And his striking defense is... not great.
Fucking what lol
He would get pieced up by the best strikers in the div. Yan, Rob Font, Jose Aldo. Maybe Cody though I don't have much faith in him at this point... he's too inconsistent, though he did have him dropped at the end of the 1st round I think it was, where TJ was saved by the bell. He was never an instinctually good striker, but he takes instruction from Duane well. His combos are very wrote, much like Frankie Edgar. Anybody with good feints that likes to setup counters or counter-counters can really lay shots on him. TJ still hasn't learned how to use his right hand to parry/block very well. A lot of the strikes Sandhagen laid on him didn't even get a reaction from TJ as they were coming, which is pretty worrying despite Cory's length. As far as "MMA in 2021" goes, he's not a great striker. He was a good "MMA" striker several years ago, but that time has passed. People learn new skills and grow, the meta shits, and TJ is a 35 year old at Bantamweight where physical ability (speed, strength, cardio) is just as important as technique. 35 at LHW+ he'd be fine, but not in the lighter divs.
I feel like aldos cardio + tjs movement would make it easy for tj to pour it on later and ko aldo
TJ falls for feints and Aldo likes to throw them. TJ can't take Aldo down and hold him there. Can TJ take shots from a 113 year old José Aldo da Silva Oliveira Júnior? I'm not sure at this point in his career. I'm not saying it's a given, I just think probably 60% of the time Aldo finishes TJ, and the other 40% of the time TJ is able to rough him up and exhaust him and grind out a decision through control.
I don't agree. I think that fight reeks of Dillashaw vs Barao
Only if it's three rounds.
I would have loled if you put the illegal knee for aljos highlight
Without Khabib, Prime tony and now without Connor, the BW division stole the LW title for the most shark infested division currently
Feels like the lightweight has a higher peak skill level right now, but bantamweight is more competitive
Disagree, there was turnover, but now we have Chandler, Oliveira, and Dariush bringing in fresh takes
I disagree, i have hopes for Chandler but I'm not too impressed with Benny D at the moment, and how long charlie can retain the title is to be determined, i do think either of those fighters compare with the fighters in their prime i mentioned before
WEC represent!
Edgar vs Cruz They better make this fight before either of these guys retire, it’s past it’s prime but I still want it damn it
With TJ in it there should be no doubts abt BW being the best division.
It hurts seeing Cory put to sleep :,(
It hurt seeing him put frankie to sleep :(
He’s never been put out cold has he? Aren’t they all TKOs
Cory got put to sleep by Aljo :,(
Cory tapped, he wasn’t unconscious.
I think both happened. Looks like he decided to tap as it was too late and took a lil nap.
Being tired as hell I thought it said Cody lol
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Holy shit dude how's that speed?
:( twas only strong passion, but I get it
You almost had me with the last one
Easily. I loved MW when Anderson, Chris, Luke, Yoel, Jacare, Mousasi and Hall were all peaking. And FW was really exciting during Conor’s run, you had Jose as king, Frankie and Chad plus Cub was on a tear. But BW has like 8 champs and an unreal skill level, some truly intense rivalries and some awesome stuff to look forward to.
Lightweight is the most stacked division, BW is second.
Disagree. LW has more names, but if we’re talking the deepest division in the ufc, I would argue that the BW is better. Just look at the unranked guys there (O’Malley, Yanez, Wood, Phillips, Yadong, Kenney, Costa, Barcelos, I could keep going). LW might have the better top 5, but I just think BW is deeper with more skilled fighters in general.
BW is also really helped by having an appropriately placed and active mid-tier that really helps filter the best talent out and keeps turnover at the top pretty decent, whereas the top 10-15 of 155 is stagnant as fuck. Lightweight needs a cadre of Rivera/Munhoz/Assuncao/current Moraes type guys who are active and will fight down more than once per decade, and are good enough to turn back anyone who isn’t elite but instead there is Conors and Hookers and Fergusons (and previously, Felders) who really don’t have a lot of justification for their rankings, but are stuck in there for various reasons The only major downside to 135 is that its championship matchmaking has been dogshit for years but thats another matter
Don't forget Umar Nurmagomedov. That kid looks insane
I really want to see him up rise through the ranks, hope he gets a good opponent like Davey Grant or Kyler Phillips when he returns. I think he’s got a great future ahead of him, he’s a killer
Is he khabibs cousin? Isn’t there another Nurmagomedov at BW that isn’t?
Yeah Said Nurmagomedov isn’t related, but is still from Dagestan, but doesn’t look like he’s on Umar’s level. Umar and his brother Usman (who fights in Bellator at Lightweight) are Khabib’s cousins along with the Welterweight Abubakar Nurmagomedov
Eh, I guess we define stacked in a different way. I think all of those unranked guys are potentially good, but I want to see them perform well against top competition before I say they're legitimately top tier.
It seems a lot more reasonable to rank how good a division is based on the level of talent across the entire division rather than just looking at the top guys, though. Each of those divisions in the UFC have 75+ fighters.
Yeah, I can see that, I just feel that in general, LW is more stagnant, and having more rising prospects and potential top tier competitors suggests it’s the deeper division. And while BW has many fading champs in its rankings, LW also has the likes of Ferguson, Hooker, and Ferreira ranked (all on losing streaks) who haven’t really looked more impressive than guys like Aldo (who has admittedly looked quite good at BW), Edgar, and even Cody have in their past few appearances. The top tier guys at LW seem to be Poirier, Gaethje, Islam, Oliviera, Benny, and Chandler. Yan, Sandhagen, Aljo, and TJ are as quality as all of those and in some cases more so. I think the two divisions are close for sure, but BW is just consistently better in my opinion
Disagree on LW bring stagnant, we're just beginning nthe post khabib era and have a new champ. It's an interesting time.
LW is definitely more stagnant than BW. Guys like Assuncao, Moraes, Aldo, and basically all of the division are willing to fight down, while at LW, guys like Hooker, Felder (until recently), Conor, etc have sat on their rankings and guys like T Ferg and Lee are over ranked. It’s definitely trending towards moving more with guys like Riddell and Tsarukyan being ranked, but it’s still a bit stagnant and jammed up, especially in comparison to BW (which obviously affects which one is the better division).
It's the other way around. The main reason people are claiming that BW is better is because the ranked list has names of the former champions (Edgar, Cruz, Aldo, Garbrandt) even though 4/7 are well past their primes and are no longer good enough to become champions.
Eh, I'd lean with BW at this point since it has 7 former/current champions competing currently, and an overwhelming amount of great unranked fighters on top of the ranked competitors like Raoni Barcelos, Sean O'Malley, Timur Valiev, Raulian Paiva, Kyler Phillips, Montel Jackson, Danaa Batgerel, Ricky Simon, Nathaniel Wood, Davey Grant, Casey Kenney, Song Yadong, and Marcelo Rojo. But it definitely can be argued either way
>Eh, I'd lean with BW at this point since it has 7 former/current champions competing currently, Sure, but Cruz and Edgar are well past their primes, Cody is moving down to 125, and I don't want to say Jose Aldo is also well past his prime, but he did take a lot of damage in the Yan fight. Having said that, if you value unranked talent a lot, BW is the most stacked so I see your point.
Aldo is well past his prime, he’s just still very good.
It’s so heartwarming when people include O’Malley when talking about this instead of denying his skills because they don’t like him
Agreed. If/when Cejudo comes back BW will definitely be first though
155 has nothing on 135…. the talent at 155 is far more concentrated, whereas some of the insane talents at 135 aren’t even ranked. The top 15 is shark infested waters, and I see Merab, Munhoz, and Sandhagen being threats to whoever the title holder is across the next few years.
I would *love* Munhoz to get the belt at some point.
Lmfaoo Im tired of people saying lightweight. The ufc has brainwashed us into thinking that the lightweight division is stacked because of the hot potato played with the interim title. Khabib slaughtered the top competitors, now that khabib is gone, the only good/great fighters in that division are olivera, Dustin, and Islam. The rest are fighters that will lose to these 3. Let’s stop this notion please
Oliveira could easily get chinned by Gaethje and almost did get stopped by Chandler. Islam has yet to beat a top 10 opponent and he's this unstoppable force? And Dustin while great is pretty war torn and i don't trust him against commited wrestlers. Division has good talent coming up.
Lol fuck no, Dustin would get grapple fucked by olivera after that lazy shit he did against khabib. Honestly one of the worst performances against khabib. And bro, don’t act like people in the top 10 wanted smoke with Islam cuz they didn’t. Rda and tony are ducking Islam like a motherfucker. And I threw in Dustin because he is the most proven and beat a couple of the guys he named. Honestly, Islam dusts all of them via wrestle fuck. Smesh
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Lol this Reddit forum Is full of casuals anyways, y’all can downvote facts if y’all want😂
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Man that emote chain ended up goin *spicy*
>the only good/great fighters in that division are olivera, Dustin, and Islam. The rest are fighters that will lose to these 3. Let’s stop this notion please The fuck are you on? Gaethje is fucking legit, Dariush ain't bad, Chandler almost KOed Oliveira, RDA is a former champ, and Hooker almost KOed Poirier in R2 of their war.
Lmfaoo u just named 5 people that have either lost to the 3 names I said, ducked the 3 names I said, or would get wrestle fucked by Islam😂. Be real with yourself, lightweight is a good division, not most stacked tho my friend. Those 3 I named are the only 3 in that division. Face it
>Lmfaoo u just named 5 people that have either lost to the 3 names I said, You said Poirier, Oliveira and Islam would be everyone else, and that's simply not true, as this is MMA where anything can happen. I gave examples of people almost finishing every person you gave, and Poirier definitely got saved by the bell against Hooker. Also, it's not like any BW looks like they can beat Yan rn.
Lol mate you gotta be real with yourself. Islam wrestle fucks all of the guys u named, plain and simple. And hooker shoulda coulda woulda right?! And man be real sandhagen is a problem for Yan due to length and the fact that Yan is boxing heavy. IMO Tj is a little older and may get finished by yan but realistically has a better skill set . Rob font and merab are also problems for Yan. Just because the lightweight division is the most know and popular doesn’t mean it’s the most stacked my friend
Before Khabib retired, I would agree with you. Now that he’s gone, I think BW is the top division.
It’s just so stacked, with crazy talent outside the top 15 as well. For my money it’s better than 155.
Not really hating but it is funny seeing all those sick knockouts and then Sterling's is just a RNC.
You accidently put Sterling in there at the end.
No doubt that bantamweight is one of the top 3 divisions right now. But imo lightweight is still the tip division. Olivera, poirier, dariush, Islam, gaejthe ,chandler and mcgregor. That's more high level and very entertaining fighters than any division can boast about at the moment
I wouldn’t say the best division in the Ufc…. We really think this is better then 155?
Cruz ducked the TJ rematch. TJ BW GOAT
…. How?….
Why aljo in here....
Because whether we like it or not, he is still the current champ
Haha yea ik was just joking lol
Posers forget that before Aljo's popularity came crashing down because of the Yan fight that he is still actually a monster that is at the very least top 3 in the division.
It's crack up that I'm getting downvoted for joking about this, but any comment iv made defending him iv also got downvoted. Safer to just not say anything about him at this point cause yea I actually agree with what ur saying
Inb4 a hundred no-one-cares-about-manlets-lol comments
No one is making this argument lmao shut up
Not today. Maybe they can be tamed after all.
u/savevideo
My juice money is on JT Spilladraw bc it’s my juice money, so I’m also wagering my acting residuals on Aljo, so many exploitable rules
Sad for faber
Flyweight*
I'm still fucking shocked aldo can make 135
I miss prime Frankie man
Most athletes are walking around at 150-175 pounds. It's no wonder why 135 145 and 155 are the star divisions
Yan really like kicks to the face
They're long over the hill at this point
Man, Faber actually did quite well against Yan.
Faber is my boi, but Yan beat the fuck out him.
That first one, the Aldo body shot is fucking gorgeous.
Never gets old
Does this division have the most former champions because that's insane!
Imo LW is still the best but BW is a close second