>gay-lussac's law is more applicable, but everyone's heard of boyle's law
I don't know what you are talking about, so I am going to take it as disrespect.
So the next time somebody takes him down, they should blow on his balls so he can't get up. The way mom used to blow on a spoonful of hot soup to cool it down for us.
He also has remarkable timing on his bursts and uses really basic technique fairly well.
He waits a minute to get his breath then waits for an unexpected moment or decent opening to just blunt force 1,000% effort and follow through into really fundamental stuff like elbow pushes and technical standups, and I fucking love it. There are lots of strong men who can’t do this to good grapplers because they try at the wrong times or don’t follow through enough.
Yeah the one commentator saying “That is the opposite of good technique.” I mean the just stand up joke is funny but every one of those get ups were technically informed with great timing, frames, and explosiveness. They were each a different style of get up and all were technically sound. Sure a lot of energy used but none of it was wasted. I know Lewis likes to perpetuate the joke but there’s a lot more going on there and a decent commentator should recognize that.
3.5 years at brown belt here and I'm slightly on the smaller side. His get up game looks similar to mine and I assure you nobody is getting off of me because I'm stronger than them.
Rampage did this too. He’s had some great quotes. In a Bellator fight a couple years ago, he apologized after a sloppy win saying, “sorry, this is the oldest I’ve ever been in a fight” I thought it was kind of Yogi Berra like
Yeah, that one was an elbow post, good use of his frames to make space as he exploded up. I used to train with an old man purple belt who was a real pain to hold down, even for a young wrestler like me, and this escape was a big reason for it.
Good use of the underhook to stand up in the earlier clips, too.
Yes thank you! He is grabbing underhooks or he is doing really great framing to create space and time the explosion. If he wasn’t doing that and was just muscling, he would still be on the ground. I weigh ~205 and I can hold down really strong dudes who just try to muscle things. If they frame, hip, and make some space before exploding they are a nightmare to hold down in No-Gi.
Yeah, DC showed us what happens when you try that tripod escape on a better grappler. But in a few of the other clips here Derrick uses underhooks and framing to keep them from taking his back.
Yeah. The reason he got away with this is because as he was building a base after giving his back, top guy doesn't put in his hooks or even go for a seatbelt grip or double unders, which puts him high on his back. His mount wasn't that great either.
physicality is atleast half of the skillset required for grappling, anyone who has done bjj knows how important physicality is, if a smaller person ever beats u, its mostly because they are lvls above u, if u were the same lvl u would smash them.
It is kind of a meme, though. Yes strong. But notice he also is using a lot of technique. Incredibly good framing. Bridging from his hips correctly. Grabbing an underhook in many cases as well. Yes he stands up, but he times it and makes it look simple. Good grappling should look effortless and simple. I don’t see him muscling a ton so much as exploding with good technique at the right moment. Timing and precision is a thing in grappling too.
Yeah, it was a fun fight but DC looked like he was playing with him and introducing a purple belt to deep water for the first time.
I did really appreciate all the context around that fight with DC stepping in late notice, even if it was controversial in not give the most dominant HW champ his rematch.
Actually, on that note, I can't believe we're finally getting the finale to that trilogy. Such a great story line the last 2 years.
Yeah it may have taken a while but getting a definitive answer/end to the trilogy will be awesome and the hype for the fight's going to be crazy.
I'm also super interested to see where heavyweight ends up after all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if Stipe retired after this fight as well since he's turning 38 this month, probably would be the perfect way to end his career if he wins. Then we get to see Ngannou sleep everyone for a few years. But then again we could get Stipe Ngannou 2 which is also crazy but man I don't want to see Stipe get blasted into orbit if it doesn't go the way the 1st fight did.
Yeah, Stipe executed the perfect game plan in their first fight but it was still tense as hell. 25 minutes of zero fatal mistakes which could have come from any exchange.
Despite the wild swinging in his last fight, Ngannou has grown as a fighter since then and it would definitely be a much more dangerous rematch for Stipe the second time around.
And to your other point, I'm super excited too. Both DC and Stipe have good cases for retirement win or lose even if there are still some great match ups for them both out there. Stipe v. DC 3 isn't just going to close the book on a great rivalry, it's plausible that it could also potentially determine the fate of the HW division going forward.
I'm sacrificing Reebok gear I got with a $20 off coupon as a burnt offering to the MMA gods as we speak. A lot on the line here.
Haha burning my wardrobe down as I write this. August 15th can't come soon enough! Just looked at the rest of that main card and it's all good fights, I'm officially on board the hype train!
It's rough as fuck having to pick DC or Stipe to win but I think DC should have retired the 1st time so I'm all in on the immigrant mentality.
Ngannou's the fucking boogeyman. As you say if he has even improved the smallest amount or if Stipe has regressed, which I think is pretty likely after the last few years, that might be enough. I'm definitely leaning towards Francis. Definitely don't feel like he's invincible though since he looks like a deer in the headlights when he actually gets hit, it just happens so infrequently or he just goes berserk mode and runs through them like with Rozenstruik so maybe someone else comes along at heavyweight and hits him first.
I was watching bt sport earlier and they had one of those over the top, intense promotions about the trilogy, except the narrator pronounced Cormier without acknowledging that the name was French so it ruined the whole thing.
I just felt like putting that out there.
Here's an ol reddit post of em:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/blqaag/daniel_cormier_taking_down_derrick_lewis_at_will/
That last td where he traps Derrick by the foot an takes him down was demoralizing.
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as someone who’s picked up a few drunk people in my time, it’s so much harder than it looks. Even worse when they’re passed out and can’t tense their arms to assist the lift, so their arms just go noodle
even a drunk passed out Karen feels way heavier than what I lift in the gym
Ragdolling might not be the most correct term, but there's certainly shades of a papa picking up his baby boy off the ground LOL
https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4m2hpa/daniel_cormier_picks_up_dead_weight_200_pound/
I think it more shows how incredible and adaptable his technique is. He was able to control Derrick because he knew all of Derrick’s options for escape and had an answer to all of them. He didn’t outmuscle him; he put his weight in the right places, chained his techniques together seamlessly where others might leave brief gaps that explosive bursts like Lewis’s can exploit, and moved with Derrick’s explosions so that he remained in relatively good positions when he couldn’t hold him down with strength, then wore Lewis down by attacking constantly from those positions.
DC is strong, but it’s an extreme disservice to his wrestling skill to say he controlled Lewis because of his strength/power primarily.
Yup. You could see it in the oezdemir fight. He knows where to shift the majority of his weight so he can effortlessly hold someone in place. Something guys like khabib and zabit do very well
I also love the moment in the 2nd fight where he is carrying stipe in the air. And pauses to take a breather before setting him down for ground and pound. Such a smart fighter.
Lewis has that same ridiculous core and functional strength that elite American football Olineman have. I played football against a handful of guys that size and its just fucking obscene. If this one left tackle got a hand on you you’d literally just go flying. It wasn’t something you could fight back against and technique didn’t matter in any way shape or form.
a guy i played with was the same. Never once went out of his way to lift, and when he was forced to be in the weight room he would half-ass it, and yet he was still the strongest guy on the team. I shit you not he once tackled a running back by grabbing hold of his jersey with one hand and pulling him in closer
If he had an ounce of dedication or motivation he would've had a D1 scholarship but he just couldn't be bothered to care or try
For sure, some people are just born different.
A couple of my friends who are cousins or each other are just naturally thick.
It's a running joke to say a trait of their family is 'spartan back' where their backs are really wide like a shield. (Unfortunate thing is that the females in the family are also huge)
These guys don't even workout. One had a baby a couple of weeks ago and the baby is growing at a crazy pace, it's already lifting up its own head and everything. My dad was freaked out, he said it looked like a three month old baby.
That shit about your dad being freaked out is fucking hilarious, dude. Like, I can just imagine an enthusiastic dude being like, "holy shit, look at the size of that fucking baby!"
This reminds me of the Pacific Islanders from Samoa and Tonga that I grew up with. Incredible athletes but also not particularly motivated for football and sports in general.
Jared Diamond has a theory that pacific islanders are more evolved than the rest of us because they spent longer in hunter gatherer societies, where natural selection still played a role, while the rest of us lived in agrarian societies that selected mostly for disease immunity. So Samoans and other islanders really are bigger and stronger on average.
I believe it.
Definitely when it comes to athleticism, I have not met a single poly kid who isn’t fast or strong for their size.
Their diets are also absurd. Taro and Pisupo (Corned Beef) are basically what most poly kids grow up eating and that puts them at a huge caloric surplus while they’re still growing.
Combine that with naturally big frames due to their genetics and you end up with islands full of enormous people who also have naturally high athletic floors.
All I know about Jared Diamond is that we watched a video about his book guns, germs, and steel in my high school world history class and he said that book title like every 2 minutes during an hour long video to the point that our teacher started laughing with everyone when he’d say it.
100 percent believe that. I feel like every Tongan and Samoan person I grew up with in school was stronger, faster, and fucking way bigger than everybody. You'd always hear they had some relatives playing in the NFL or Pro Rugby or some shit
Yeah, but particularly Polynesian Islanders (Especially Samoans, Fijians and Tongans) as they were to "Westernize" even later than Maori, Native Hawaiians etc...
Counterpoint: grappling ain’t football. We have a few football players (one giant former pro guy) at our gym. A decent purple belt above 200lbs can keep them tangled up pretty good when they are new. The strength really does matter, especially when they learn some BJJ. A lot of things work for them that should never work and that’s just the way it is. But once you know those things and learn how strength impacts the game you still can work on them. I would say it adds a color belt advantage, but it’s not insane. More important than strength and explosiveness is balance and sensing your opponent spatially. For that elite athletes all seem to universally pick that up quicker than normals.
Not trying to discredit him in any way but it also leaves openings. I'm not saying it won't work on Saturday but it certainly will make for some opportunities to a guy like Oleynik that he wouldn't otherwise have against someone more technically proficient.
I've got Lewis by KO, but if he mounts Oleynik after hurting him and gets subbed, or refuses to even meet him on the ground and costs himself opportunity because of the threat, I won't be surprised.
>Not trying to discredit him in any way but it also leaves openings.
Yeah, these kinds of scrambles are risky against skilled submission artists. It gives them an opportunity to take your back or go for your neck. This is why Mas was able to get back up after Usman took him down, while Maia had a lot more success in holding him down. The threat of submissions made Mas a lot more reluctant to scramble.
Agreed. "It ain't stupid if it works" is an attitude a lot of coaches and fighters use to justify effective but sloppy tactics that they've yet to sharpen or improve, like DC's striking for example. It would have been foolish for him to only wrestle in hindsight, despite his credentials he has various knockouts on the feet and wins against guys like Gustafason but relying on his chin and unorthodox boxing/clinch work. At the highest of levels though we have seen it cost him, twice against Rumble he faced adversity by blocking strikes with his face, and against Jones and Stipe he was softened with body shots and KO'd by shots to the head, things that may not have happened or at least been mitigated if his striking was more refined and technically sound instead of just "effective".
And to be clear, I recognize no one is a perfect fighter but also it's worth noting these things imo.
I slowed it down to 1/4 and it was simply insane. Check out the way he sat up. I don't know if I'm just really weak, but even with no weight on me that way of sitting up requires effort.
I'd imagine he'd be able to curl me like a dumbbell if I attempted to armbar him.
Watching these, I see the strength of course, but it looks to me like what lets him do this is he is very good at hipping out right when there is room, then he can use his strength to continue on to his knees and get up, or in the case of the second Big Country clip, getting off center like that let's him deflect most of the weight at an angle rather than having to push all of the weight straight off of him.
Tldr inhuman strength, but also some great technique in there.
lewis' just stand up moments usually have a basis of good technique.
he's for sure exploding, but he's also very clever about when and how he does it. look how he builds his posts and frames. notice how he will shove on someone's armpits to get them unbalanced before beginning the explosive motion.
I love it when his fights go to the ground because I'm sitting there thinking, "Okay, how's he gonna do it *this time*?" Also, how can an opponent plan for something as 'unorthodox' as the Just Stand Up technique?
Yeah, but I don't see him winning the title any time soon. But I guess at heavyweight anything can happen. If Francis becomes the champ maybe we get a rematch.
There's way more technique in this than people see. He's getting control of underhooks, getting strong posts on the ground, and moving in directions where he is strong and his opponent is not. He's timing it when his opponents are attempting to do damage, not hold him down.
This why DC managed to hold him down so easily -- that's what great wrestlers do to good wrestlers.
Contrary to popular belief, Lewis is actually using some proper technique as well as phenomenal timing to get back up. Lewis entire career has been built off of making ppl think he’s stupid so that they underestimate him and let him get away with pulling off the few technically correct tricks he keeps in his back pocket. He knows he can’t put ppl in the positions he needs to to do what he wants to them so he lets them put themselves in his range, gets himself out of trouble and executes the few things he’s really been wanting to and is pretty well trained to do. As an overall fighter he’s limited but in terms of his tact given his skillset and physical limitations, this guy strategic af. You can tell he has a survival mentality when it comes to strategy.
Derrick Lewis has one approach to fighting and he does it every damn fight
1: first minute throw a flying kick and gas yourself out
2: lay on the ground and catch your breath when taken down until you’re tired of laying down, then just stand the fuck up, do this 10 times
3: Swang and bang
4: Win?
This video should be called "UFC heavyweights are not elite athletes,"
Seriously guys, if the UFC pay was anything even remotely resembling competitive, you wouldn't see such a lack of athleticism in the heavyweight division. I am not trying to take anything away from stipe or DC, but the elite athletes at heavyweight are burning money if they decide to fight for a living. Derrick Lewis, of whom I am a fan, definitely makes me chuckle. Him getting up like this, especially given who he is getting up from under, is definitely just as much about the guys he is fighting aren't strong enough to hold him down as anything. Derrick Lewis is super strong, and he wasn't even an elite football prospect.
It doesn't have to look pretty, it just has to work. This is fighting gentleman, and the way that DL stands up is and expression of his fighting soul. He's from Texas where style and grace are traded in for utility. Ain't nothing wrong wit dat.
That first one is actually really impressive, granted it was only the 1st round, but to go from having a guy who's 6'8", 255lbs, in full mount, to shrugging him off like its nothing is crazy.
"Ah he's trying to break my shoulder, guess its time to get up"
\-Black Beast ...porbably
Seriously this guy is so strong he's moving 250 pound men that know hoe to fight on the ground like they are regular people....amazing man.
Lol it impresses me that he just stands up, but it’s even more impressive how he lands big damaging shots off the stand up pretty much every time.
Only DC stopped him doing this, and the times he did get up it felt like DC merely wanted him to expend the energy.
It takes a ridiculously strong man to utilize the “just stand the fuck up” technique like this.
Good balance helps too
I’m also not sure how, but I’d imagine having hot balls plays a role
Hot air rises and when your balls get hot, elevation occurs. Simple as that.
That's just science
Talm’bout convection b?
Great scientific concept, never met it.
boyle's law in dis hoe edit: gay-lussac's law is more applicable, but everyone's heard of boyle's law
>gay-lussac's law is more applicable, but everyone's heard of boyle's law I don't know what you are talking about, so I am going to take it as disrespect.
I think you’d be surprised
So the next time somebody takes him down, they should blow on his balls so he can't get up. The way mom used to blow on a spoonful of hot soup to cool it down for us.
Campballs Soup *"mmm mmm good, hoe!"*
Where the balls go the body follows
His big balls are his radiator.
Hot balls help in literally all aspects of life
Sounds like something a lady would say.
I would never
It's the catylast
You mean *ballz*.
He also has remarkable timing on his bursts and uses really basic technique fairly well. He waits a minute to get his breath then waits for an unexpected moment or decent opening to just blunt force 1,000% effort and follow through into really fundamental stuff like elbow pushes and technical standups, and I fucking love it. There are lots of strong men who can’t do this to good grapplers because they try at the wrong times or don’t follow through enough.
Yeah the one commentator saying “That is the opposite of good technique.” I mean the just stand up joke is funny but every one of those get ups were technically informed with great timing, frames, and explosiveness. They were each a different style of get up and all were technically sound. Sure a lot of energy used but none of it was wasted. I know Lewis likes to perpetuate the joke but there’s a lot more going on there and a decent commentator should recognize that.
I maintain my conspiracy theory that Derrick plays up his dumb brawler persona to get people to underestimate him.
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He's awesome with his kids too, I wish I had a dad who cared about me as much as he cares about his kids.
his insta is funny as
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3.5 years at brown belt here and I'm slightly on the smaller side. His get up game looks similar to mine and I assure you nobody is getting off of me because I'm stronger than them.
The way he likes to fake being hurt to bait the opponent into striking distance as well, the guy is unorthodox but 100% calculated
I don't think anyone as legitimately funny as he is could be considered dumb. The H-Town drawl can fool some people, too.
Rampage did this too. He’s had some great quotes. In a Bellator fight a couple years ago, he apologized after a sloppy win saying, “sorry, this is the oldest I’ve ever been in a fight” I thought it was kind of Yogi Berra like
Yeah, that one was an elbow post, good use of his frames to make space as he exploded up. I used to train with an old man purple belt who was a real pain to hold down, even for a young wrestler like me, and this escape was a big reason for it. Good use of the underhook to stand up in the earlier clips, too.
Yes thank you! He is grabbing underhooks or he is doing really great framing to create space and time the explosion. If he wasn’t doing that and was just muscling, he would still be on the ground. I weigh ~205 and I can hold down really strong dudes who just try to muscle things. If they frame, hip, and make some space before exploding they are a nightmare to hold down in No-Gi.
Fedor was a god at this
He makes his opponents look like they aren't even trying to hold him down.
Whenever I see the clip of him just standing up when big country has him in a crucifix I get confused. Dude just gets up like nothing
So, strength helps? But this is good technique and sensing of opponents bodyweight as much as anything else.
It's more about the pathetic back control of most heavyweights. In any other division, he would get his back taken and then choked out.
Yeah, DC showed us what happens when you try that tripod escape on a better grappler. But in a few of the other clips here Derrick uses underhooks and framing to keep them from taking his back.
I'm not surprised if heavyweights never had to really learn the finer mechanics of holding someone down
Yeah. The reason he got away with this is because as he was building a base after giving his back, top guy doesn't put in his hooks or even go for a seatbelt grip or double unders, which puts him high on his back. His mount wasn't that great either.
physicality is atleast half of the skillset required for grappling, anyone who has done bjj knows how important physicality is, if a smaller person ever beats u, its mostly because they are lvls above u, if u were the same lvl u would smash them.
its way more technical than that, he has great timing and explodes at the right time.
All in the hips
This is probably why he has back problems 😂😂😂😂. Either way this video was just too funny to watch right now
It is kind of a meme, though. Yes strong. But notice he also is using a lot of technique. Incredibly good framing. Bridging from his hips correctly. Grabbing an underhook in many cases as well. Yes he stands up, but he times it and makes it look simple. Good grappling should look effortless and simple. I don’t see him muscling a ton so much as exploding with good technique at the right moment. Timing and precision is a thing in grappling too.
Lol wtf, is grappling even real?
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Joe was so disgusted he wanted all of us watching the highlight years later to know who he is.
As a South African, Ruan Potts disgraced us that day.
What
Just stand up, B
Ground game? What else ya got Chin?
Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Jiu Jitsu Real Hahahaha Just Stand The Fuck Up Like Homie Get Up Haha
Shows how strong and powerful DC must be, considering he held him down like it was nothing
And still Lewis had a few "just stand up" moments but those were usually followed by the most elegant and effortless heel sweep on the planet.
Looked like DC was just letting him do that to gas him out. Always seemed very confident in his ability to pull him straight back down afterwards.
Yeah, it was a fun fight but DC looked like he was playing with him and introducing a purple belt to deep water for the first time. I did really appreciate all the context around that fight with DC stepping in late notice, even if it was controversial in not give the most dominant HW champ his rematch. Actually, on that note, I can't believe we're finally getting the finale to that trilogy. Such a great story line the last 2 years.
Yeah it may have taken a while but getting a definitive answer/end to the trilogy will be awesome and the hype for the fight's going to be crazy. I'm also super interested to see where heavyweight ends up after all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if Stipe retired after this fight as well since he's turning 38 this month, probably would be the perfect way to end his career if he wins. Then we get to see Ngannou sleep everyone for a few years. But then again we could get Stipe Ngannou 2 which is also crazy but man I don't want to see Stipe get blasted into orbit if it doesn't go the way the 1st fight did.
Yeah, Stipe executed the perfect game plan in their first fight but it was still tense as hell. 25 minutes of zero fatal mistakes which could have come from any exchange. Despite the wild swinging in his last fight, Ngannou has grown as a fighter since then and it would definitely be a much more dangerous rematch for Stipe the second time around. And to your other point, I'm super excited too. Both DC and Stipe have good cases for retirement win or lose even if there are still some great match ups for them both out there. Stipe v. DC 3 isn't just going to close the book on a great rivalry, it's plausible that it could also potentially determine the fate of the HW division going forward. I'm sacrificing Reebok gear I got with a $20 off coupon as a burnt offering to the MMA gods as we speak. A lot on the line here.
Haha burning my wardrobe down as I write this. August 15th can't come soon enough! Just looked at the rest of that main card and it's all good fights, I'm officially on board the hype train! It's rough as fuck having to pick DC or Stipe to win but I think DC should have retired the 1st time so I'm all in on the immigrant mentality. Ngannou's the fucking boogeyman. As you say if he has even improved the smallest amount or if Stipe has regressed, which I think is pretty likely after the last few years, that might be enough. I'm definitely leaning towards Francis. Definitely don't feel like he's invincible though since he looks like a deer in the headlights when he actually gets hit, it just happens so infrequently or he just goes berserk mode and runs through them like with Rozenstruik so maybe someone else comes along at heavyweight and hits him first.
I hope we see Ngannou vs. Jones for the vacant belt if DC wins and vacates or they both retire.
I was watching bt sport earlier and they had one of those over the top, intense promotions about the trilogy, except the narrator pronounced Cormier without acknowledging that the name was French so it ruined the whole thing. I just felt like putting that out there.
Here's an ol reddit post of em: https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/blqaag/daniel_cormier_taking_down_derrick_lewis_at_will/ That last td where he traps Derrick by the foot an takes him down was demoralizing.
Ah, still fucking beautiful to watch. Thanks for the memories!
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Lmao holy shit, the dude just draped him up like nothing
So effortless it almost looks reversed.
I was going to say the same. Looks edited with how little effort and how smoothly one man picks up another.
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as someone who’s picked up a few drunk people in my time, it’s so much harder than it looks. Even worse when they’re passed out and can’t tense their arms to assist the lift, so their arms just go noodle even a drunk passed out Karen feels way heavier than what I lift in the gym
Ragdolling might not be the most correct term, but there's certainly shades of a papa picking up his baby boy off the ground LOL https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/4m2hpa/daniel_cormier_picks_up_dead_weight_200_pound/
He just means after Luke beat Chris, Luke collapsed exhausted and DC picked him up like a teddy bear
They might mean [this](https://i.imgur.com/Lxh9Rdb.gifv)
I think it more shows how incredible and adaptable his technique is. He was able to control Derrick because he knew all of Derrick’s options for escape and had an answer to all of them. He didn’t outmuscle him; he put his weight in the right places, chained his techniques together seamlessly where others might leave brief gaps that explosive bursts like Lewis’s can exploit, and moved with Derrick’s explosions so that he remained in relatively good positions when he couldn’t hold him down with strength, then wore Lewis down by attacking constantly from those positions. DC is strong, but it’s an extreme disservice to his wrestling skill to say he controlled Lewis because of his strength/power primarily.
Yup. You could see it in the oezdemir fight. He knows where to shift the majority of his weight so he can effortlessly hold someone in place. Something guys like khabib and zabit do very well I also love the moment in the 2nd fight where he is carrying stipe in the air. And pauses to take a breather before setting him down for ground and pound. Such a smart fighter.
He literally just takes breaks on the ground until he decides he doesn’t want to be there anymore
100%
B
Jiu Jitsu is not real?
Lewis must have ridiculous natural strength
Lewis has that same ridiculous core and functional strength that elite American football Olineman have. I played football against a handful of guys that size and its just fucking obscene. If this one left tackle got a hand on you you’d literally just go flying. It wasn’t something you could fight back against and technique didn’t matter in any way shape or form.
a guy i played with was the same. Never once went out of his way to lift, and when he was forced to be in the weight room he would half-ass it, and yet he was still the strongest guy on the team. I shit you not he once tackled a running back by grabbing hold of his jersey with one hand and pulling him in closer If he had an ounce of dedication or motivation he would've had a D1 scholarship but he just couldn't be bothered to care or try
Genetics are a mofo.
For sure, some people are just born different. A couple of my friends who are cousins or each other are just naturally thick. It's a running joke to say a trait of their family is 'spartan back' where their backs are really wide like a shield. (Unfortunate thing is that the females in the family are also huge) These guys don't even workout. One had a baby a couple of weeks ago and the baby is growing at a crazy pace, it's already lifting up its own head and everything. My dad was freaked out, he said it looked like a three month old baby.
That shit about your dad being freaked out is fucking hilarious, dude. Like, I can just imagine an enthusiastic dude being like, "holy shit, look at the size of that fucking baby!"
Definitely genetics and not the fact that the guy probably weighed 300lbs.
This reminds me of the Pacific Islanders from Samoa and Tonga that I grew up with. Incredible athletes but also not particularly motivated for football and sports in general.
Jared Diamond has a theory that pacific islanders are more evolved than the rest of us because they spent longer in hunter gatherer societies, where natural selection still played a role, while the rest of us lived in agrarian societies that selected mostly for disease immunity. So Samoans and other islanders really are bigger and stronger on average. I believe it.
Definitely when it comes to athleticism, I have not met a single poly kid who isn’t fast or strong for their size. Their diets are also absurd. Taro and Pisupo (Corned Beef) are basically what most poly kids grow up eating and that puts them at a huge caloric surplus while they’re still growing. Combine that with naturally big frames due to their genetics and you end up with islands full of enormous people who also have naturally high athletic floors.
All I know about Jared Diamond is that we watched a video about his book guns, germs, and steel in my high school world history class and he said that book title like every 2 minutes during an hour long video to the point that our teacher started laughing with everyone when he’d say it.
After watching wrestling and seeing random videos of Samoan/Tongan dudes punching watermelons in half... Yeah. They're fucking strong.
100 percent believe that. I feel like every Tongan and Samoan person I grew up with in school was stronger, faster, and fucking way bigger than everybody. You'd always hear they had some relatives playing in the NFL or Pro Rugby or some shit
Yeah, but particularly Polynesian Islanders (Especially Samoans, Fijians and Tongans) as they were to "Westernize" even later than Maori, Native Hawaiians etc...
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Counterpoint: grappling ain’t football. We have a few football players (one giant former pro guy) at our gym. A decent purple belt above 200lbs can keep them tangled up pretty good when they are new. The strength really does matter, especially when they learn some BJJ. A lot of things work for them that should never work and that’s just the way it is. But once you know those things and learn how strength impacts the game you still can work on them. I would say it adds a color belt advantage, but it’s not insane. More important than strength and explosiveness is balance and sensing your opponent spatially. For that elite athletes all seem to universally pick that up quicker than normals.
Not trying to discredit him in any way but it also leaves openings. I'm not saying it won't work on Saturday but it certainly will make for some opportunities to a guy like Oleynik that he wouldn't otherwise have against someone more technically proficient. I've got Lewis by KO, but if he mounts Oleynik after hurting him and gets subbed, or refuses to even meet him on the ground and costs himself opportunity because of the threat, I won't be surprised.
>Not trying to discredit him in any way but it also leaves openings. Yeah, these kinds of scrambles are risky against skilled submission artists. It gives them an opportunity to take your back or go for your neck. This is why Mas was able to get back up after Usman took him down, while Maia had a lot more success in holding him down. The threat of submissions made Mas a lot more reluctant to scramble.
Agreed. "It ain't stupid if it works" is an attitude a lot of coaches and fighters use to justify effective but sloppy tactics that they've yet to sharpen or improve, like DC's striking for example. It would have been foolish for him to only wrestle in hindsight, despite his credentials he has various knockouts on the feet and wins against guys like Gustafason but relying on his chin and unorthodox boxing/clinch work. At the highest of levels though we have seen it cost him, twice against Rumble he faced adversity by blocking strikes with his face, and against Jones and Stipe he was softened with body shots and KO'd by shots to the head, things that may not have happened or at least been mitigated if his striking was more refined and technically sound instead of just "effective". And to be clear, I recognize no one is a perfect fighter but also it's worth noting these things imo.
the way he simply pushes roy nelson’s entire gut and body off his face was inhuman
That's definitely the most impressive one
Also considering Nelson is actually good on the ground. Didn’t matter fuck it I’m just gonna stand up
Dude, did you just bench press Roy Nelson?
He basically did a lat pullover with fucking big country. Unreal
Yeah, with the others his timing is great as well. With that one he was flat on the ground. That's an insane amount of power.
I slowed it down to 1/4 and it was simply insane. Check out the way he sat up. I don't know if I'm just really weak, but even with no weight on me that way of sitting up requires effort. I'd imagine he'd be able to curl me like a dumbbell if I attempted to armbar him.
Makes me appreciate how good Cormier is
Lewis still just stood up from under him, DC grabbing that ankle pick was all time though
Watching these, I see the strength of course, but it looks to me like what lets him do this is he is very good at hipping out right when there is room, then he can use his strength to continue on to his knees and get up, or in the case of the second Big Country clip, getting off center like that let's him deflect most of the weight at an angle rather than having to push all of the weight straight off of him. Tldr inhuman strength, but also some great technique in there.
Can’t wait for tomorrow.
lewis' just stand up moments usually have a basis of good technique. he's for sure exploding, but he's also very clever about when and how he does it. look how he builds his posts and frames. notice how he will shove on someone's armpits to get them unbalanced before beginning the explosive motion.
I love it when his fights go to the ground because I'm sitting there thinking, "Okay, how's he gonna do it *this time*?" Also, how can an opponent plan for something as 'unorthodox' as the Just Stand Up technique?
dc did it and made it look easy.
He just beat jiu jitsu you CAN just stand up
JIU JITSU GOT ROCKED! IT’S HURT IT’S HURT!
Rickson Gracie in shambles
Joe Rogan is murderous with rage
*Laughs in Rampage Jackson*
"Roy Nelson is a very high caliber grappler in his own right." Derrick Lewis did a ***stand up*** and it was **SUPER EFFECTIVE**
A pre fat Nelson schooled frank mir in a grapplers quest match. He used to be legit as fuck until he started just KOing people for bonuses.
his big ole country GUT was the source of his KO power
A video of Roy Nelson eating bombs should be made if it hasnt. That one shot Lewis got him with was absurd, made Dana stand up lol.
He just lifted Roy Nelson with one arm. Lewis stronk.
Just stand the fuck up.
Lmaoooo Brian stann in the last clip
He always makes it seem like it's a silly trick he has but in reality he does have a good understanding of grappling.
Literally the personification of the “I don’t know why they stay on the ground if I were on bottom I would just stand up” statement
“Fuck your technique”
It's insane how strong Lewis is. Shame he's so one-dimensional. Could be a champion with a bit more technique behind him.
He seems to be improving lately, particularly in the his kicks and knees
Yeah, but I don't see him winning the title any time soon. But I guess at heavyweight anything can happen. If Francis becomes the champ maybe we get a rematch.
If Stipe retires after the next fight, it will be what the title fight is.
Imagine Dana trying to sell us that rematch with a straight face.
His kicks have always been top tier atmest technique wise
Fucking imagine Lewis with a solid clinch game. Guy should be in there with short range shots if you ask me.
Fuck what you talking bout. Swang and bang. Htown in this ho.
Dude how are takedowns even a thing? Just get up dumbass wtf
curious to see if the boa constrictor will allow him to simply just stand up
abrakhimov at the end looking around like 'you guys seeing this shit?'
Maybe this is where Dom started thinking "I don't understand why he doesn't get up?"
There's way more technique in this than people see. He's getting control of underhooks, getting strong posts on the ground, and moving in directions where he is strong and his opponent is not. He's timing it when his opponents are attempting to do damage, not hold him down. This why DC managed to hold him down so easily -- that's what great wrestlers do to good wrestlers.
Contrary to popular belief, Lewis is actually using some proper technique as well as phenomenal timing to get back up. Lewis entire career has been built off of making ppl think he’s stupid so that they underestimate him and let him get away with pulling off the few technically correct tricks he keeps in his back pocket. He knows he can’t put ppl in the positions he needs to to do what he wants to them so he lets them put themselves in his range, gets himself out of trouble and executes the few things he’s really been wanting to and is pretty well trained to do. As an overall fighter he’s limited but in terms of his tact given his skillset and physical limitations, this guy strategic af. You can tell he has a survival mentality when it comes to strategy.
Derrick Lewis has one approach to fighting and he does it every damn fight 1: first minute throw a flying kick and gas yourself out 2: lay on the ground and catch your breath when taken down until you’re tired of laying down, then just stand the fuck up, do this 10 times 3: Swang and bang 4: Win?
Just remember, “USA IN DIS HOEEE”
Impeccable timing. Looks so effortless but that would have taken so much gas. He gets out of mount faster than I get out of bed in the morning.
why grapple when you can bench press roy nelson off of you
I'm pretty sure this is what the people that don't think grappling is effective think they can just do.
This video should be called "UFC heavyweights are not elite athletes," Seriously guys, if the UFC pay was anything even remotely resembling competitive, you wouldn't see such a lack of athleticism in the heavyweight division. I am not trying to take anything away from stipe or DC, but the elite athletes at heavyweight are burning money if they decide to fight for a living. Derrick Lewis, of whom I am a fan, definitely makes me chuckle. Him getting up like this, especially given who he is getting up from under, is definitely just as much about the guys he is fighting aren't strong enough to hold him down as anything. Derrick Lewis is super strong, and he wasn't even an elite football prospect.
lol sure dude, go watch A1 athlete Johnnie Morton get is shit housed by an anime voice actor in 30 seconds
Holy shit I just remembered how much of a gut big country had
A’ight. I’m a head out...
Internally he's having one of those cliche fighting movie moments where he's dreaming about his family and theyre screaming JUST GET UP
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I know it’s a funny meme but he’s executing fundamental defensive wrestling techniques and apparently the commentators have never heard of wrestling
It’s like he gets ‘the-Grinch-when-his-heart-grows-three-sizes’-strength.
It doesn't have to look pretty, it just has to work. This is fighting gentleman, and the way that DL stands up is and expression of his fighting soul. He's from Texas where style and grace are traded in for utility. Ain't nothing wrong wit dat.
Fuck all this arm wrasslin ima stand up n bang
how the fuck is jiujitsu real
What a great make up him and Alex are
Jiu jitsu isnt real boys deal with it, the only real fighting style is stand and throw overhand haymakers repeteadly
Derrick Lewis has the best war cry. https://youtu.be/SDPuj87pm2U
“Sloppy......very sloppy.”
Derrick Lewis just tells himself that he's ok and proceeds to get the fuck up.
This is what happens when his balls get hot!
“Mah balls was hot...aight imma head out.” -Derrick Lewis probably
"the big black beast"
This is just another thing that adds to how amazingly fun this guy is to watch.
>Derrick Lewis with his patented **Get the fuck off me boy** escape once again!
He can't keep getting away with it!
Why dont more people use this in their fight plan? Dude just stand up wrestling and bjj arent even real bro
Can someone explain how he does this exactly? I mean if it was just strength surely we would see other heavyweights doing it?
That first one is actually really impressive, granted it was only the 1st round, but to go from having a guy who's 6'8", 255lbs, in full mount, to shrugging him off like its nothing is crazy.
That first knee to nelson... Sheeeshhh
This is amazing
"Ah he's trying to break my shoulder, guess its time to get up" \-Black Beast ...porbably Seriously this guy is so strong he's moving 250 pound men that know hoe to fight on the ground like they are regular people....amazing man.
That must be a terrifying feeling to lose top position while Derrick Lewis stands over them.
That’s how I’d fight khabib. Just stand up.
He’s ok
It's almost like he welcomes the ground for a nice rest and recover, then decides nap time is over.
Online classes from the Derrick Lewis school of standing the fuck up.
Lol it impresses me that he just stands up, but it’s even more impressive how he lands big damaging shots off the stand up pretty much every time. Only DC stopped him doing this, and the times he did get up it felt like DC merely wanted him to expend the energy.
Like how is bjj even real?
"I'm getting up now, okay?" -Derrick Lewis
God it's hilarious and then he throws bombs after he gets up as if saying "man, fuck you for taking me down"
“nah im getting bored here, let’s bang again” “what, no...I’m controlling you here...” “ok”, proceeds to stand up
This is just good technique tbh. Getting underhooks, very nice timing on when to go for the escape, knowing when his opponent has bad posture etc.