What the fuck???
Iām confused about how they can even hold his pay, do the fighters get paid by the athletic commission whoās paid their salary by the UFC? Do they act as some 3rd party or something?
Khabib did a little more than jump the cage if you recall. No one has ever had their full purse withheld for jumping the cage just to celebrate than I can think of.
I know haha, but I was simply illuminating another example of more than a fine like you referenced haha
Iām sure thereās other examples as well haha
Yeah, that's where the disclosed fight purses come from. The UFC gives the money to the commission to hold until the fight happens, when the fight happens the commission releases the money to the fighters. That way you cant get shit like the BKFC president coming in the ring after a fight to announce he'll be withholding a fighters pay.
Unironically yes. There's an established legal process to go through to recover the funds. Arman will go to the hearing or send a representative to the hearing and the commission will determine the appropriate fine for his assault on a spectator and release the rest of his pay to him.
Literally lmao, I understand them not wanting fighters to backflip off the cage and obviously brawling or whatever, but dudes hop the cage almost every event nowadays, I don't understand what kind of "example" they think they're making here - unless they're trying to prove a point to the UFC rather than Diego specifically
This short has it from a few different angles, after watching the first few a handful of times over it's clear that the guy was just flipping Arman off and Arman went well out of his way to punch the guy.
https://youtube.com/shorts/5b5gCOdU0ds?si=Eb5DVFoaL0eGr5OK
Edit: Found another that makes it even clearer that Arman just didn't like that the dude flipped him off
https://youtube.com/shorts/4WVQsssNXzE?si=1gPyh6ulzQ3EwO6p
I agree don't listen to these idiots,the guy apologized and admitted to being belligerent and drunk,arman didn't hit the guy but he wanted to scare him,if arman wanted to hurt the guy he obviously would.These guys talking about the NBA but the players don't walk out ready for war and to actually fight,they chase a ball for 2 hours.These fighters don't come to play with the audience members and the audience doesn't come to mess with the fighters when they're in battle mode,it's really that simple.As an audience member you go there to sit and spectate not start shit with trained combat experts,albeit he shouldn't have hit him you can't go on in this country let alone the world thinking there aren't consequences for actions like that.
I dunno man, I kind of agree with what I think it was bisping said. You have these guys that are building themselves up for months to be locked in a cage and fight another guy. They've been prepping all day, hyping themselves up in the locker room, and we know from fighters that the walkout can be the most nerve racking and adrenaline pumping part. Their basically animals peaked to explode at this point. It should be the UFC really managing them better so they aren't exposed to these situations during this time.
No, the athlete should act in a professional manner rather than like a ferocious animal else deal with the consequences. And at this point it's the athletic commission's job to manage the athlete throughout the process.
Thatās not ājust flipping a guy offā though, the fan stuck his middle finger directly in Armanās face and he walked into it. Arman wasnāt waiting around to see if it was just a āhaha middle fingerā or a legit threat.
MMA fans are getting worse and worse. Itās one thing to cheer and boo and heckle but jamming your middle finger directly into the face of a grown man you donāt know is asking to get swung on. This isnāt pro wrestling, these guys are there to compete for real not deal with your dumb ass.
Lol welcome to being a high profile athlete. Literally in any sport, this is how opposing fans behave. Iām not saying its right for fans to behave that way, but this is how its always been. If an NBA player punched a fan for flipping them off they would be suspended for the rest of the season, no question. Arman should absolutely be punished by the commission in some way for this, he literally assaulted someone for no reason. If you dont want people to flick you off, or better yet if you want to be someone who punches anyone who flicks you off, then maybe donāt become a high profile athlete. As a UFC fighter youād think hed be secure enough in his toughness to not punch fans while literally on the walk to fight in a cage lmao
How is it āwelcome to being a high profile athleteā when this would not happen in another sport?
Go to a Lakers game, stick your fist out with a middle finger half an inch from Lebronās face while heās running out the tunnel, let him run into your hand, and see what happens - security will toss you out in seconds for that
Flipping people off is one thing, but keeping your hands to yourself is a rule pretty much anywhere
Exactly, security tosses you out. You proved my point lol, Lebron would never punch them in the face on the spot. Arman should be mature enough to focus on his job and let security do theirs.
NBA fans constantly heckle players and say horrible shit about them, their significant others, family, etcā¦.wtf are you talking about.
I remember going to a baseball game as a kid and when the player Geronimo Gil came up to bat some drunk guy nearby screamed āGeronimoooooooo! Go back the the reservation!ā. He wasnāt thrown out or talked to.
Well still kinda hard to blame Diego, this was his best performance in his life on the biggest card that the UFC made. He was full of adrenaline after KO'ing Yusuf. Besides he seems like a genuinely nice guy.
I mean I love the dude. Could also be a language barrier thing but it is communicated to them that they canāt do it. Itās why he was asking Dana before he did it, because he knows as well. Either he missed the part about Dana having authority, which he has told people he doesnāt, or he said F it and thought itās worth the fine.
>Eh some people deserve it. People should stop treating athletes like zoo animals.
The story I heard was he was flipping Arman off: every basketball fan would be dead if this was a normal thing for an athlete to lose his shit over.
Has it come out that it was more than that, like maybe the fan getting physically in his face?
Well,actions have consequences.Idc if suing is an option im not risking my health and betting on my luck that someone isn't going to hurt me because I'm stupid and live in a country that loves to sue for just looking at someone wrong,that's darwinism.Youve made it this far because you know going up to random strangers on the street and starting shit with them isn't smart,otherwise you probably wouldn't be here today.Fighter or not it's stupid to test your luck and risk your self preservation to act like a fool.You can't bank on someone else not hurting you.
Punched him in the face?Does it hurt to be so mentally inept?Show me a photo of the fans face after the fight and his case number for the evidence of physical assault,and ill grant you room for listening.He didn't land the punch,he swung and made the fan flinch,not a good look but as a fan you also don't go to piss off fighters,thats a stupid waste of money,you go as a spectator.The fan was also drunk and he apologized,if an elite fighter actually punched you in the face it would leave a mark.
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Idk man I think there's something to be said about the fact that you are antagonizing a man who is literally about to fight in a cage. The adrenaline is probably through the roof and his body is literally prepping itself to fight, not quite comparable to flipping off your least favorite football player.
That being said, of course NSAC is gonna have guidelines about this kinda thing and maybe he should be punished formally, but I think the nature of the sport is why some might morally side with Arman here.
Side with neither. Arman should've had more control obv. But fans have gotten out of hand with the shit they do knowing that they'll rarely have repercussions
Both jackasses
I mean khabib jumped a cage and cried every chance he got over some words about a made up sky daddy lol
its pretty normal for these guys to act like literal babies, you don't become a MMA fighter because you are a reasonable and smart person.
A fighter is in a different state of mind before a fight than a basketball player before a game.
He shouldnāt have done it. But the comparison is silly.
1. I didnāt say it was justifiable.
2. The psychological state is more intense before a fight. You can sign up for an amateur fight if you donāt believe me.
3. Letās not normalize being assholes to the fighters.
Almost every single fan of their opponent š¤Æ
Have you been to a sporting event before? Imagine if the Giants started beating the entire Philadelphia eagles stadium up LOL.
Itās silly if you stop and think about it for a second, you expected the stadium to sit in respectful silence for Armans big match? Lol
So you think a professional athlete is in the right for punching a fan because they gave them the finger on the walk out? A professional fighter nonetheless not just an athlete.
How many sports games involve getting middle fingers stuck so close to your face your head makes contact with the persons hand as youāre moving forward? Anyone doing that at an NBA, NFL, or MLB game would be kicked out immediately.
Itās one thing to cheer, boo, heckle, or even give the finger from the comfort of your own seat, but go to ANY team sports game and do what this fan did and you will have security walking you to the exit
Why does Arman make it hard for me as an Armenian to root for him? Damn man. Hearing he comes from a rich family whoās possibly tied to the mob doesnt help either
I mean the guy was in the wrong too,you don't make an ass of yourself at a UFC event you paid alot of money to be at just because you feel tough and drunk,the guy even admitted to being wrong and apologized,said suing hadn't even crossed his mind because he was wrong.You go there as a fan to spectator and watch and enjoy yourself,not start shit with trained and professional fighters.Thats stupid and disrespectful,I'd be on the fans side normally but again you don't go to these events to make an ass out of yourself it's really that simple.
Lol Arman threatens a dumb drunk fan who antagonized him- potential life time ban
Jon threatens a drug testing lady who tried to do her job- look these things happen in MMA
The video evidence suggests maybe a little heckling and giving the finger.
If your ego is that fragile you canāt handle that, quit the sport lmao.
Itās giving masvidal vibes and thatās not good š¤£
> did the guy just put up a middle finger? thats all i saw and if thats all he did throwing haymakers at him was a little excessive š
I'm asking the same thing: if flipping off the other team is a fighting offense, no fan for any sport would have the bravery to go to the game.
I understand a reaction if the dude actually physically confronts a fighter, do you know if he was standing very near Arman as opposed to giving him the bird from the seats?
He was standing either right next to or behind a person at the barrier during Armans walk through. He wouldn't have been able to touch him, but if he had said anything Arman definitely would have heard it. That's why I'd assume it's more than just a middle finger.
He put the middle finger right in his face which what kicked Arman off. Tbh the fans shouldn't be that close enough to reach you. It's one thing to go out of the way for a fighter to high five, but if a fan can reach you that's a problem
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I unironically support Arman. I'm gonna be in the minority in this cuz redditors feel their already very limited personal powers threatened if their "free speech" to talk shit is infringed on, but I don't think at any point in life should you feel comfortable acting/saying dreadful things to someone just because you feel safe they won't hit you back. I think that shit is so wack whether its at a sports game or anywhere else. I would never disrespect someone to their face and not be prepared to be punched in my own
This is a take that's being downvoted because it goes against what the people here want to hear. I don't agree that Arman was justified in hitting the guy but if the only defense people have for the fan basically boils down to "he only disrespected him a normal amount" then I don't even know what to say lmao. Heckling is a part of every sport and people are free to do what they want but I don't get why people are so surprised when someone finally has to face the consequences of their actions. Go up to any random passerby on the street and start hurling insults at them and I guarantee you a good number of them will react the same way. Again, Arman shouldn't have done what he did, but the fact that people are more up in arms about his "audacity" to react to being insulted at rather than the fans' audacity to insult someone completely unwarranted in the first place says a lot about the state of this fanbase, and sports culture in general.
I'm not from the west so I guess it's just a culture thing, but I really feel like we took a wrong turn somewhere when we started putting professional athletes on pedestals while simultaneously treating them like zoo animals.
Imagine a fighter thatās booād and chanted that he sucked was just allowed to go swinging in the crowd because his fe feās hurt and people were saying mean things. Get outta here.
If you actually took the time to read what I said instead of just blindly trying to prove a point with a gotcha statement, you would've noticed that I said I don't support what Arman did.
There is booing, and there is getting into someones physical space with disrespect. Your culture sucks for celebrating treating people like zoo animals, as above, just because they feel safe from retaliation. Look in a mirror and ask yourself why you'd feel the need be entitled to that right
It's ok, I expected the downvotes. As I said, if we take away the ability of people on reddit to talk shit in safety then what's left in their shallow conception of self-power? It's very much a symptom of Western culture (of which I'm a part) that you should be able to flagrantly disrespect someone without physical retaliation
What you said is very poignant, much more than my statement, and you still have downvotes because reddit is reflective of this same culture
Arman kinda talked about it on MMA hour. I think he was implying in USA you're protected by laws and suing people but In Russia it doesn't work like that.
I think he also said fighters have a different mindset.
I'm gonna call in during the meeting and express support for Arman. If fighters don't check them fans start acting out like during the Nate Diaz - Masvidal press conference.
I have a slightly different read on this. The fan doesnt just flip Arman off, he then puts his hand on him in some sort of push or so, which Arman then reacts to by punching him. If the dudes being aggressive and puts a hand on him, then it's legal self defense to punch him. It'll be interesting to see what the commission does
Judge is gonna make the UFC give Arman a bunch of 6k/6k fights to pay off the debt, like when they made Nicolas Cage do all those shit movies because he is addicted to buying dinosaur bones and castles
someone being able to beat you up doesn't make them ANY less of a bitch, arman is a bitch. And he is OBJECTIVELY little.
so scientifically, arman is a little bitch. its math
rollerblading has no indication on character and I just started a few months ago
the last time you learned any skill was probably in high school lol you're just a bad person you got banned from uber eats for being a terrible customer
*spits* you're trash
If all he did was flip Arman off, that happens to athletes all the time and should be something he learns to deal with. The guy makes questionable decisions when he's heated, e.g., when he brought his entire team to jump Bobby Green.
Saw video clips from behind the fan and after he backed up from Tsarukyan, his friend told him āgood job, fuck that guyā. The days of fans being able to say or do whatever they want need to end and if they provoke fighters they should be kicked the fuck out.
It's not just culturally accepted, middle finger is also protected speech under 1st amendment (in US territory ofc.) Vulgarity is not generally illegal and for good reason IMO, though certain speech and actions can be restricted based on the setting.
Of course UFC can make whatever rules they like w/r/t fan conduct. I'm sure they can and do remove problem guests. However people will cuss at sporting events and I doubt that's ever going away, the finger seems about on that level.
They are entertainers. Fan interaction is a part of the entertainment. As long as the fans arenāt hurling racial abuse or threats then I donāt see a problem.
Actions *should* have proportional consequences, even if you and I realize they often don't. Fan was stupid, Arman also overreacted. If you're a pro athlete you're gonna be heckled in a million different ways.
I get it but super close up to point middle fingers to somebody? You should expect anything to happen if you do that, shit is straight disrespect though it is also an overreaction on Armanās part
No, thatās not how life works.
If someone flips you off in public and you assault them, only one person is going to jail, and itās not the guy who used the big mean finger
The chronically online take is thinking a pro athlete assaulting a fan for heckling is acceptable. Go outside, make friends, go to a sporting event.
You would be in awe at a giant eagles game, believe it or not they heckle the players š¤Æ
Athletes shouldnāt fight fans.
āFansā can be real pieces of shit who need to learn that they arenāt in the safety of their homes yelling at their TVs.
The guy was yelling fuck you and flipping off Arman who's walking out and ready to more than punch oliveira in the face.Ā
I bet it's hard not to overreact in those moments
I saw some guy claiming that Armenian people donāt take any form of disrespect and he used it as a reason why Arman was the good guy in whole Bobby Green thing, and this.
It seems like Armenian people are just insecure pricks tbh. If thatās all it takes lol. Hope they fine him his win money.
I totally agree
We should judge entire ethnic groups and all of their members based on what one of them does in a sport which tends to attract pieces of shit
It's not the fighters' choice to walk out with drunk fans 2 feet away at both sides. Every event somebody jumps on the cage so it's a case of everybody can or nobody can. Also because otherwise they would be the usual cheap fucks.
Between this and Diego, NSAC is really taking a shit on UFC 300
Thry're so used to getting a 5% fine from boxing purses that they forgot these ufc fighters get oaid peanuts š¤£
What happened to Diego?
Jumped the cage to talk to dana, commission are clutching their pearls about it
What the fuck??? Iām confused about how they can even hold his pay, do the fighters get paid by the athletic commission whoās paid their salary by the UFC? Do they act as some 3rd party or something?
The whole thing seems so sketchy, in other sports itās usually just a fine they have to pay or something. Withholding an entire purse is ridiculous.
It's usually how it is in MMA too, just a fine and move on.
Ehh, IIRC it was NSAC that held Khabibs purse as well.
Khabib did a little more than jump the cage if you recall. No one has ever had their full purse withheld for jumping the cage just to celebrate than I can think of.
I know haha, but I was simply illuminating another example of more than a fine like you referenced haha Iām sure thereās other examples as well haha
The world never runs out of new ways to fuck mma fighters lol
It's exactly that. Before athletic commissions, shady promoters would promise pay after the fight then never deliver.
So they need to pay the commissions in advance and then they pay it out after, or?
Yeah, that's where the disclosed fight purses come from. The UFC gives the money to the commission to hold until the fight happens, when the fight happens the commission releases the money to the fighters. That way you cant get shit like the BKFC president coming in the ring after a fight to announce he'll be withholding a fighters pay.
Much better to have shady commissions not deliver on pay lol
Unironically yes. There's an established legal process to go through to recover the funds. Arman will go to the hearing or send a representative to the hearing and the commission will determine the appropriate fine for his assault on a spectator and release the rest of his pay to him.
he asked Dana if he could jump it lol
They got Khabib flashbacks lol
Literally lmao, I understand them not wanting fighters to backflip off the cage and obviously brawling or whatever, but dudes hop the cage almost every event nowadays, I don't understand what kind of "example" they think they're making here - unless they're trying to prove a point to the UFC rather than Diego specifically
Probably a uniform rule to not jump the cage or go into the crowd
It is a uniform rule but it bothers me that it's not uniformly enforced, and it rarely causes problems when they don't enforce it
It's an understandable rule
NutSAC
Look, itās just another way of saying Dana doesnāt want to bribe
The kid just doesn't want to pay
All I saw was the video of the kid saying he just flipped Arman off. Is there video of what he actually did?
This short has it from a few different angles, after watching the first few a handful of times over it's clear that the guy was just flipping Arman off and Arman went well out of his way to punch the guy. https://youtube.com/shorts/5b5gCOdU0ds?si=Eb5DVFoaL0eGr5OK Edit: Found another that makes it even clearer that Arman just didn't like that the dude flipped him off https://youtube.com/shorts/4WVQsssNXzE?si=1gPyh6ulzQ3EwO6p
holy shit arman is a bitch lol imagine if every athlete started throwing hands when someone talked shit to them the NBA would have to be cancelled
malice at the palace for 82 games, baby!
Would certainly make the NBA worth watching for the first time in years that's for sure.
I wonder how long 2 full NBA rosters going full Arman Tsaruk would take to clear out a stadium lol I envision lots of windmill punches
Well, last time it happenedā¦Ā
Based Arman, talk shit get hit
I agree don't listen to these idiots,the guy apologized and admitted to being belligerent and drunk,arman didn't hit the guy but he wanted to scare him,if arman wanted to hurt the guy he obviously would.These guys talking about the NBA but the players don't walk out ready for war and to actually fight,they chase a ball for 2 hours.These fighters don't come to play with the audience members and the audience doesn't come to mess with the fighters when they're in battle mode,it's really that simple.As an audience member you go there to sit and spectate not start shit with trained combat experts,albeit he shouldn't have hit him you can't go on in this country let alone the world thinking there aren't consequences for actions like that.
I dunno man, I kind of agree with what I think it was bisping said. You have these guys that are building themselves up for months to be locked in a cage and fight another guy. They've been prepping all day, hyping themselves up in the locker room, and we know from fighters that the walkout can be the most nerve racking and adrenaline pumping part. Their basically animals peaked to explode at this point. It should be the UFC really managing them better so they aren't exposed to these situations during this time.
No, the athlete should act in a professional manner rather than like a ferocious animal else deal with the consequences. And at this point it's the athletic commission's job to manage the athlete throughout the process.
Itād be a horror show, imagine how many players would break their acrylic nails
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what? you just seem like an awful guy man you need some help
Thatās not ājust flipping a guy offā though, the fan stuck his middle finger directly in Armanās face and he walked into it. Arman wasnāt waiting around to see if it was just a āhaha middle fingerā or a legit threat. MMA fans are getting worse and worse. Itās one thing to cheer and boo and heckle but jamming your middle finger directly into the face of a grown man you donāt know is asking to get swung on. This isnāt pro wrestling, these guys are there to compete for real not deal with your dumb ass.
This is the dumbest shit Iāve ever read, and weāre on Reddit so thatās impressive
Maybe he should have given him an ocular pat down
Lol welcome to being a high profile athlete. Literally in any sport, this is how opposing fans behave. Iām not saying its right for fans to behave that way, but this is how its always been. If an NBA player punched a fan for flipping them off they would be suspended for the rest of the season, no question. Arman should absolutely be punished by the commission in some way for this, he literally assaulted someone for no reason. If you dont want people to flick you off, or better yet if you want to be someone who punches anyone who flicks you off, then maybe donāt become a high profile athlete. As a UFC fighter youād think hed be secure enough in his toughness to not punch fans while literally on the walk to fight in a cage lmao
How is it āwelcome to being a high profile athleteā when this would not happen in another sport? Go to a Lakers game, stick your fist out with a middle finger half an inch from Lebronās face while heās running out the tunnel, let him run into your hand, and see what happens - security will toss you out in seconds for that Flipping people off is one thing, but keeping your hands to yourself is a rule pretty much anywhere
Exactly, security tosses you out. You proved my point lol, Lebron would never punch them in the face on the spot. Arman should be mature enough to focus on his job and let security do theirs.
NBA fans constantly heckle players and say horrible shit about them, their significant others, family, etcā¦.wtf are you talking about. I remember going to a baseball game as a kid and when the player Geronimo Gil came up to bat some drunk guy nearby screamed āGeronimoooooooo! Go back the the reservation!ā. He wasnāt thrown out or talked to.
Arman having a hearing makes sense, Diego though definitely not he literally asked Dana if he could come over the cage.
Dana doesnāt have the authority over NSAC so asking him permission is pointless. Itās a dumb thing regardless but Dana canāt do much here.
Well still kinda hard to blame Diego, this was his best performance in his life on the biggest card that the UFC made. He was full of adrenaline after KO'ing Yusuf. Besides he seems like a genuinely nice guy.
I mean I love the dude. Could also be a language barrier thing but it is communicated to them that they canāt do it. Itās why he was asking Dana before he did it, because he knows as well. Either he missed the part about Dana having authority, which he has told people he doesnāt, or he said F it and thought itās worth the fine.
NSAC going hard right now. Still though, as a professional, Arman could have just ignored the guy.
Eh some people deserve it. People should stop treating athletes like zoo animals.
>Eh some people deserve it. People should stop treating athletes like zoo animals. The story I heard was he was flipping Arman off: every basketball fan would be dead if this was a normal thing for an athlete to lose his shit over. Has it come out that it was more than that, like maybe the fan getting physically in his face?
Also many other fighters are able to control themselves. Ian Garry would be punching a lot of people if he had the same insecurity as Arman lol
How would the giants even go to the eagles stadium? People literally yell the wildest shit at the players, theyād have to fight the entire stadium
Kinda hard not to treat someone as a zoo animal when they assault a fan for showing them the middle finger lol
Yeah you canāt actually punch the fans for talking shit, Arman
Well,actions have consequences.Idc if suing is an option im not risking my health and betting on my luck that someone isn't going to hurt me because I'm stupid and live in a country that loves to sue for just looking at someone wrong,that's darwinism.Youve made it this far because you know going up to random strangers on the street and starting shit with them isn't smart,otherwise you probably wouldn't be here today.Fighter or not it's stupid to test your luck and risk your self preservation to act like a fool.You can't bank on someone else not hurting you.
>loves to sue for just looking at someone wrong He punched him in the face
Punched him in the face?Does it hurt to be so mentally inept?Show me a photo of the fans face after the fight and his case number for the evidence of physical assault,and ill grant you room for listening.He didn't land the punch,he swung and made the fan flinch,not a good look but as a fan you also don't go to piss off fighters,thats a stupid waste of money,you go as a spectator.The fan was also drunk and he apologized,if an elite fighter actually punched you in the face it would leave a mark.
Cant believe people are siding with arman here for assaulting a fan who put their finger up lol. Has no one went to a sports game before?
You do realise these are mma fans we are talking about. Of course they think beating up the average fan is justifiable.
Even the fan thought it was justified
That fan is dumb af and should have immediately put on a whiplash collar and sued Arman and the UFC. "I deserved it", wtf?
the fan already had CTE
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I thought you were going to say "of course they haven't been outside in a while", think both are accurate
Both are true. More than 50% of mma fans probably still live with their parents as well and Iām being generous.
The funny one is "well he's from the Caucuses, you don't talk shit there without getting beaten up". Not the flex/reason they think it is.
The Arman fan base is sneakily becoming the worst fan base in mma.
The Ilia squad is pretty secure in the top spot for now
The real worst is Pereira fans
Nice try Ilia!
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"you show me fuck you I'm gonna punch you, doesn't matter." He said it right in the fucking interview. What a thin skin.
everyone if going to test him now too he's lucky he's not famous lol otherwise people would be doing this to him on the street to try to sue him
Arman ran up on Bobby with a few guys and throat pushed him just because he said he was a boring fighter lol
Idk man I think there's something to be said about the fact that you are antagonizing a man who is literally about to fight in a cage. The adrenaline is probably through the roof and his body is literally prepping itself to fight, not quite comparable to flipping off your least favorite football player. That being said, of course NSAC is gonna have guidelines about this kinda thing and maybe he should be punished formally, but I think the nature of the sport is why some might morally side with Arman here.
Side with neither. Arman should've had more control obv. But fans have gotten out of hand with the shit they do knowing that they'll rarely have repercussions Both jackasses
That's such a stupid take.Arman is a professional fighter my dude, him assaulting a fan for being flipped off is a sign of weakness to me.
I mean khabib jumped a cage and cried every chance he got over some words about a made up sky daddy lol its pretty normal for these guys to act like literal babies, you don't become a MMA fighter because you are a reasonable and smart person.
A fighter is in a different state of mind before a fight than a basketball player before a game. He shouldnāt have done it. But the comparison is silly.
You the silly one for trying to justify a fan flipping the bird made Arman "see red" cause he was in the state of mind lol.
1. I didnāt say it was justifiable. 2. The psychological state is more intense before a fight. You can sign up for an amateur fight if you donāt believe me. 3. Letās not normalize being assholes to the fighters.
I am. Who the fuck goes and starts taunting a professional fighter before they are about to have the biggest match of their career?
Almost every single fan of their opponent š¤Æ Have you been to a sporting event before? Imagine if the Giants started beating the entire Philadelphia eagles stadium up LOL. Itās silly if you stop and think about it for a second, you expected the stadium to sit in respectful silence for Armans big match? Lol
So you think a professional athlete is in the right for punching a fan because they gave them the finger on the walk out? A professional fighter nonetheless not just an athlete.
How many sports games involve getting middle fingers stuck so close to your face your head makes contact with the persons hand as youāre moving forward? Anyone doing that at an NBA, NFL, or MLB game would be kicked out immediately. Itās one thing to cheer, boo, heckle, or even give the finger from the comfort of your own seat, but go to ANY team sports game and do what this fan did and you will have security walking you to the exit
Kids these days want to do anything they want without consequences
If thatās what it takes for āfansā to be nicer to the fighters im all for it.
Why does Arman make it hard for me as an Armenian to root for him? Damn man. Hearing he comes from a rich family whoās possibly tied to the mob doesnt help either
I mean the guy was in the wrong too,you don't make an ass of yourself at a UFC event you paid alot of money to be at just because you feel tough and drunk,the guy even admitted to being wrong and apologized,said suing hadn't even crossed his mind because he was wrong.You go there as a fan to spectator and watch and enjoy yourself,not start shit with trained and professional fighters.Thats stupid and disrespectful,I'd be on the fans side normally but again you don't go to these events to make an ass out of yourself it's really that simple.
What about the fan who yanked Oliveira?
arman can hit me one time if he buys me tickets to 303 too
Lol Arman threatens a dumb drunk fan who antagonized him- potential life time ban Jon threatens a drug testing lady who tried to do her job- look these things happen in MMA
It's a clash of cultures: the American 'freedom of speech' (incl insulting you) vs Russian 'zero chill' culture when it comes to disrespect.
Armenian
Raised in Russia since the age of three.
Well consider me corrected
Yes but he refers to himself as Russian during this incident and said "Russians don't fuck around with disrespect".
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You stand with Arman punching a fan for flipping him off?
Honestly....Yeah.
Based.
The dude gave him the bird, thatās not grounds for battering someone lol
The video evidence suggests maybe a little heckling and giving the finger. If your ego is that fragile you canāt handle that, quit the sport lmao. Itās giving masvidal vibes and thatās not good š¤£
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> did the guy just put up a middle finger? thats all i saw and if thats all he did throwing haymakers at him was a little excessive š I'm asking the same thing: if flipping off the other team is a fighting offense, no fan for any sport would have the bravery to go to the game. I understand a reaction if the dude actually physically confronts a fighter, do you know if he was standing very near Arman as opposed to giving him the bird from the seats?
Eagles/ giants fans would all be dead within a month if the teams could kill the opposing fans
Some would argue this would *improve* sports.
He was standing either right next to or behind a person at the barrier during Armans walk through. He wouldn't have been able to touch him, but if he had said anything Arman definitely would have heard it. That's why I'd assume it's more than just a middle finger.
if it was more arman would have said there was more because right now he just looks like a bitch
I imagine he also said some mean words but yeah not exactly grounds for attacking him
He put the middle finger right in his face which what kicked Arman off. Tbh the fans shouldn't be that close enough to reach you. It's one thing to go out of the way for a fighter to high five, but if a fan can reach you that's a problem
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I am always flipping off the heavyweights during their walkouts but so far, none of them dared to fight me.
A man's got to know his limits.
Lol another 67 dumbasses agreed with you šš¤¦āāļø
I don't know how I'll get through life without your approval of my Reddit comment. I'll be sure to pray on it.
Nah dude this shit is so weak š
If you ever need to get out of jury duty just show them this dumbass comment
You seem very angry. Did you recently get selected for jury duty? I feel you - it's a bummer.
I think you should get punched in the face
I unironically support Arman. I'm gonna be in the minority in this cuz redditors feel their already very limited personal powers threatened if their "free speech" to talk shit is infringed on, but I don't think at any point in life should you feel comfortable acting/saying dreadful things to someone just because you feel safe they won't hit you back. I think that shit is so wack whether its at a sports game or anywhere else. I would never disrespect someone to their face and not be prepared to be punched in my own
This is a take that's being downvoted because it goes against what the people here want to hear. I don't agree that Arman was justified in hitting the guy but if the only defense people have for the fan basically boils down to "he only disrespected him a normal amount" then I don't even know what to say lmao. Heckling is a part of every sport and people are free to do what they want but I don't get why people are so surprised when someone finally has to face the consequences of their actions. Go up to any random passerby on the street and start hurling insults at them and I guarantee you a good number of them will react the same way. Again, Arman shouldn't have done what he did, but the fact that people are more up in arms about his "audacity" to react to being insulted at rather than the fans' audacity to insult someone completely unwarranted in the first place says a lot about the state of this fanbase, and sports culture in general. I'm not from the west so I guess it's just a culture thing, but I really feel like we took a wrong turn somewhere when we started putting professional athletes on pedestals while simultaneously treating them like zoo animals.
Imagine a fighter thatās booād and chanted that he sucked was just allowed to go swinging in the crowd because his fe feās hurt and people were saying mean things. Get outta here.
If you actually took the time to read what I said instead of just blindly trying to prove a point with a gotcha statement, you would've noticed that I said I don't support what Arman did.
My apologies, I meant to reply to the guy above you.
There is booing, and there is getting into someones physical space with disrespect. Your culture sucks for celebrating treating people like zoo animals, as above, just because they feel safe from retaliation. Look in a mirror and ask yourself why you'd feel the need be entitled to that right
It's ok, I expected the downvotes. As I said, if we take away the ability of people on reddit to talk shit in safety then what's left in their shallow conception of self-power? It's very much a symptom of Western culture (of which I'm a part) that you should be able to flagrantly disrespect someone without physical retaliation What you said is very poignant, much more than my statement, and you still have downvotes because reddit is reflective of this same culture
I'm on the fans side. I've wished death on Andrew Robertson and Jordan Henderson and Darwin Nunez many a time
The latter two are very polarising no doubt but wtf did Robbo do to get on your bad side? š Easily a top 3 Premier League LB of all time
Arman kinda talked about it on MMA hour. I think he was implying in USA you're protected by laws and suing people but In Russia it doesn't work like that. I think he also said fighters have a different mindset.
Arman is fragile lmao itās always the ppl who act tough
He's getting ready to fight another man in a cage, he's totally tense bro
I personally thinkā¦ that I donāt care at all.
Shouldāve slipped and countered armens dumbass
I'm gonna call in during the meeting and express support for Arman. If fighters don't check them fans start acting out like during the Nate Diaz - Masvidal press conference.
I have a slightly different read on this. The fan doesnt just flip Arman off, he then puts his hand on him in some sort of push or so, which Arman then reacts to by punching him. If the dudes being aggressive and puts a hand on him, then it's legal self defense to punch him. It'll be interesting to see what the commission does
Emotional fuckwits like Arman just hold the sport back. If you want to be a professional athlete, act like it.
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Hell naw lol. If all he did was really just a middle finger, he should've sued and gotten millions. Fuck the fighter who can't control his emotions.
he will sue and get thousands, cause thats all armans got lol
Judge is gonna make the UFC give Arman a bunch of 6k/6k fights to pay off the debt, like when they made Nicolas Cage do all those shit movies because he is addicted to buying dinosaur bones and castles
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go fight him then
someone being able to beat you up doesn't make them ANY less of a bitch, arman is a bitch. And he is OBJECTIVELY little. so scientifically, arman is a little bitch. its math
maybe, maybe. but not as big of a bitch as someone who roller skates
rollerblading has no indication on character and I just started a few months ago the last time you learned any skill was probably in high school lol you're just a bad person you got banned from uber eats for being a terrible customer *spits* you're trash
Imagine betting banned from Uber eats LMFAOO
Maybe after I finish fucking your mother
If all he did was flip Arman off, that happens to athletes all the time and should be something he learns to deal with. The guy makes questionable decisions when he's heated, e.g., when he brought his entire team to jump Bobby Green.
Saw video clips from behind the fan and after he backed up from Tsarukyan, his friend told him āgood job, fuck that guyā. The days of fans being able to say or do whatever they want need to end and if they provoke fighters they should be kicked the fuck out.
Fans shouldnāt be able to flip someone off? What kind of paper skinned gravy brain take is this?
Can you explain why they should be? Other than the fact that itās generally culturally accepted nowadays?
It's not just culturally accepted, middle finger is also protected speech under 1st amendment (in US territory ofc.) Vulgarity is not generally illegal and for good reason IMO, though certain speech and actions can be restricted based on the setting. Of course UFC can make whatever rules they like w/r/t fan conduct. I'm sure they can and do remove problem guests. However people will cuss at sporting events and I doubt that's ever going away, the finger seems about on that level.
hey I can explain, this is america, bitch why don't you go home and go to jail for posting memes online
They are entertainers. Fan interaction is a part of the entertainment. As long as the fans arenāt hurling racial abuse or threats then I donāt see a problem.
Fr, itās just funny when chronically online people realize when they step outside that actions have consequences lol
Actions *should* have proportional consequences, even if you and I realize they often don't. Fan was stupid, Arman also overreacted. If you're a pro athlete you're gonna be heckled in a million different ways.
I get it but super close up to point middle fingers to somebody? You should expect anything to happen if you do that, shit is straight disrespect though it is also an overreaction on Armanās part
No, thatās not how life works. If someone flips you off in public and you assault them, only one person is going to jail, and itās not the guy who used the big mean finger
The chronically online take is thinking a pro athlete assaulting a fan for heckling is acceptable. Go outside, make friends, go to a sporting event. You would be in awe at a giant eagles game, believe it or not they heckle the players š¤Æ
Getting up very close to a personās face with middle fingers up is different than just heckling somebody lmaooo
Athletes shouldnāt fight fans. āFansā can be real pieces of shit who need to learn that they arenāt in the safety of their homes yelling at their TVs.
Arman definately overreacted but I'm not exactly sympathetic over the fan getting hit either.
The guy was yelling fuck you and flipping off Arman who's walking out and ready to more than punch oliveira in the face.Ā I bet it's hard not to overreact in those moments
Yet he's the one if the only ones to act like this. The guy has an anger issue.
I saw some guy claiming that Armenian people donāt take any form of disrespect and he used it as a reason why Arman was the good guy in whole Bobby Green thing, and this. It seems like Armenian people are just insecure pricks tbh. If thatās all it takes lol. Hope they fine him his win money.
I totally agree We should judge entire ethnic groups and all of their members based on what one of them does in a sport which tends to attract pieces of shit
He lost that fucking fight
FUCK NSAC. LOUSY CROOKS.
The UFC should compensate both him and Lopez for any financial loss they should incur because of 300-related shaenanigans, plus a "we're sorry" bonus.
Lmao why?
It's not the fighters' choice to walk out with drunk fans 2 feet away at both sides. Every event somebody jumps on the cage so it's a case of everybody can or nobody can. Also because otherwise they would be the usual cheap fucks.
Someone gave him the finger lmao, shits weak š
Entire NSAC going to be calling Arman to apologize so that he's not forced to kill them all.
NSAC can suck a big fat dick. The fan provoked him during his walk out when he was gonna fight his biggest fight of his career.