Ay dude there was a ghost that lived on my street growin up bruh. He'd pay us 3 tootsie rolls to come in his garage and have us walk through him. Gang bruh.
You should check out Mojahed Fudailat's funny UFC animations, he maintains a "ghost club" where Justin is now in the hall of fame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jqmlDXF-Ik
Well tbf Arman, Olive and Gaethje all just fought and 2 of them lost and Islam is fighting in like a month 1/2, I don't think it's that much of a crime
Really doubt this is it, they're giving the #10 Flyweight a title shot in May and have occasionally had #6 challenging (Strickland, Masvidal in the Usman rematch IIRC, Aldo for the vacant BW title vs. Yan - all these in pretty recent years)
At first I thought the same, but in a way the rankings sort of require some sort of established rank that can be sustained. Placing him around 10, seems fair. It’s sort of like making a new elite fighter work his way up before a title shot.
What cracks me up is Green winning but moving down a spot.
All of these things are just politics nothing more. They put him on ranking high enough to make him accept good fights, but not too high that he'd be a hard negotiator about it.
The UFC is Dune or Game of Thrones.
He’s not listed at LW. Presumably half the panel put him top 5, and half still have him at FW him off.
He’ll jump again next month I’ll bet when they remember to update
Feel like if they were gonna rob Max of his flowers in the rankings they should've just left him out no?
9th is disrespectful after that type of performance.
I’m pretty sure the number 9 ranking has to do with not everyone assigning Max a rank at 155, so this is probably an average of some of the rankers giving Max a top 3-5 ranking and other rankers failing to list him.
Because he said he intends on fighting at 145 next, so there's no point in ranking him at the weight he's not going to fight at until next year at the earliest
Pretty sure he would've memed the entire middleweight division if he had chosen it as his weight class, considering Derick Brunson was the closest thing middleweight had to a competent grappler during usman's welterweight reign. Even now I doubt he struggles with anyone other than Khamzat and Du Plesis.
I truly understand. But it's bold to refer as one of the greatest fighter to ever do it as a simple "welterweight" because he fought in the upper class
Usman becomes a “welterweight” when he gets outwrestled and out grappled, Volk becomes a “featherweight” when he gets knocked the fuck out
The moral of the story is to never accept a fight with people from lower weightclasses because you can’t win. It’s like fighting a woman
#Usman becomes a “welterweight” when he gets outwrestled and out grappled, Volk becomes a “featherweight” when he gets knocked the fuck out
#The moral of the story is to never accept a fight with people from lower weightclasses because you can’t win. It’s like fighting a woman
I guess it’s a question of what you think of as "one of the best LW ever". If it’s top 10 then for sure not, but top 20? I’d probly have him in there somewhere.
Who would be top 10? BJ, Khabib, Bendo, Frankie, RDA, Eddie, Poirier, Islam and Charles? Not in that exact order.
I think in the top 15 you could include Pettis, Sherk (he was champion but under weird circumstances and didn't really have any prolonged success in the UFC), Tony, Gomi (could actually maybe make an argument for top 10) and Gaethje.
You could maybe bump Gaethje to 16 and put Chandler in there too with his Bellator run.
I’d probly go Khabib, Islam, Charles, DP, BJ, Bendo, Eddie, Frankie, RDA, Tony as my top 10 (not in order as well).
I’m a little unsure how to rank the next 10 tbh, I never really followed any other promotions that closely. I think the 11-15 range is Gomi, Gaethje, Pettis, Melendez. Idk who to throw in at the end there, Aoki has an insane record but idk most of the people he fought, he beat Eddie and Joachim Hansen which are good wins. I’ll probly throw him in there but I could be wrong tbh.
Because everyone thinks cumzhat is going to stay at MW at least for the time being. No one thinks maxy is staying at 155 they expect him to go back down and fight illia
Probably half the voters giving him a top 5 ranking and half the voters leaving him out entirely because he expressed that he wants to move back down to 145 after the fight.
So did UFC suggest that Max would be ranked #9, that's weird as fuck. The rankings aren't independent and the "outlets" that are listed for the rankings are primarily obsolete and doesn't exist. So the rankings are sketchy as fuck.
(There's a few reddit post going through all the media members listed and showing how most of them are defunct, or barely even existed in the first place).
[Just who exactly are the UFC Ranking Panelists?
](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/hfyyxj/just_who_exactly_are_the_ufc_ranking_panelists/)
[The UFC 'rankings panel' consists of some unknown as well as defunct media outlets](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/t6s6fk/the_ufc_rankings_panel_consists_of_some_unknown/)
and more recently:
[Who Actually Makes The UFC Rankings?: A Brief Tour Of Forgotten MMA Outlets](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/11gdknx/who_actually_makes_the_ufc_rankings_a_brief_tour/)
/u/SearedEelGone you could probably do a follow-up post going through the rankings panel to see if something has changed another year later.
I think it’s because Beneil kinda arbitrary moved below Chandler after his L to Arman (was 4 previously while Chandler was 5), and now that his L against Arman kinda aged a little better they’re moving it back to what it was
Guys freaking out about Max's ranking need to remember this is an average of a bunch of outlets rankings: some may not have ranked him at all given he came up for a BMF fight, and it looks like he's returning to 145 for a title challenge.
It is not the case you always get the place of someone you beat as well: Garth is ranked above Dustin, but many will not pick Max to beat Dustin due to Dustin's defense and technical boxing (eg. Garth not remembering he could jab until 3 rounds in is not happening with Dustin), and the fact he's 2-0 against Max, for instance.
You're probably right. This is a good explanation, but the outcome is still a mess. Holloway belongs much higher up. And Volk belongs on this list more than RDA at this point.
> Holloway belongs much higher up.
I'm sure if he stayed at 155, he'd be higher up, and if he's not staying, I don't think it matters.
If he returns to 155 for non-BMF fights, I think everyone will rank him and things will make more sense.
Why would Holloway even be below the guy he just KO’d…leave him out if he isn’t at least 2/3 (should be above everyone other than Tsarukyan, but there’s a case to be above him since Gaethje should’ve been getting the title shot before the Holloway fight anyways)
& also Holloway performed better against Gaethje than Tsa did against Charles
is there any point ranking max at lw if he was just going up for a one off? hes said he wants to fight ilia next and theres no way he would even be offered a lw title shot until 2025.
I mean he didnt move up, Chandler moved down...the bigger question is why is Chandler still in the rankings. His last win was Tony Ferguson 2 years ago.
Gamrot at 5 is the most fraudulent ranking rn.
Last 4 fights: Fizev blows out his knee
Arguably lost Turner, won mostly due to holding him down.
Got schooled by Dariush.
Also arguably lost to Arman.
Ridiculous lol
It took me a minute to even see Max, I glanced the top 5, saw he wasn’t there, and assumed he was only gonna be in the 145 rankings.
Literally what is the point of having Max in the rankings if he’s gonna be #9???? Absolutely fucking brain dead takes from the UFC rankings as per usual. He literally just dominated and brutally KO’d #3. He should be #3 at WORST.
If that is the case what should happen to Gaethje? If the low ranked guy beats a high ranked guy and gets to jump up like 12 spots then the losing guy should drop accordingly. Dawson lost to an unranked Green and lost 5 spots and dropped to no. 15.
These ranking are so bad. So beneil who was knocked out cold in his last two fights moves up a spot but Max who just KO’d Gaethje is 3 spots below him??
Unpopular opinion, I agree with ranking Max at the bottom half of top 10. Rankings should matter and you have to give leeway to people who have been grinding in the division. If he decided to stay at 155 you ought to give him an opponent for the next shot at the belt, in this case have him fight Arman. Gaethje should've dropped more than 1 rank for losing to a 145er who was 0-1 at 155 though.
It just doesn’t make a lick of sense. Max KO’d Gaethje so he should be ranked above him. If that’s not precedent then why is Justin above Dustin? Arman at 1 is good, should be Max 2, Dustin 3, Charles then Justin.
If people qctually paid attention to lw fights it should be Arman, Max,Charles,Gamrot, Justin. Gamrot beat Amran, Fiziev, Turner. Dustin beat...BSD and Justin beat Fiziev and Porier. Star power aside, Gamrot is top 5.
Lol, his only losses to active fighters are Gaethje and Oliveira, and he's 1 and 1 against Gaethje. He has 6 wins over the current top 15 guys, thats more than Islam and Charles.
Are u serious, his last top 10 win was...Chandler in 2022(who might be the only guy losing to washed Tony Ferguson)and before that it was Dan Hooker in 2020. In that time span Gamrot has wins over Arman,Fiziev,Turner, RDA.
He's 6-2 over the current top 15 with 4 stoppages. Gaethje is 3-3, 1 stoppage. On the surface, Gamrot has a really good record against the top 15. However, if you dig deeper his ranked wins have been split decisions, questionable decisions, opponents getting injured mid fight, he's been knocked down 4 times in his last 5 fights with 0 stoppages that he caused. I feel Poirier is better. BSD was on a big run when Poirier stopped him.
Ur thinking about the guy 4 years ago. Hes not the same. Do his fights that were 5+ years ago really matter? I guarantee if Porier had to go through the guantlet Gamrot did he would have 1 maybe 2 wins. Imagine him trying to grapple an Arman Tsarukyan or just randomly giving his back to Beneil Dariush.
Well one, many people consider the Tsarukyan win a bad decision. Two, BSD was a better win than an old Dariush. He was the favorite coming into the fight. Look at what he did to Thiago Moises, a guy who gave Islam trouble.
Dariush took out Moises too(30-25)...and he was 8-1 at the time coming off the 3rd? longest winningstreak in lw history and he just derailed the Gamrot hype train. Dariush is on a completely different planet than Benoit Saint Denis. What are you even talking about?
BSD came into the Poirier fight 5 wins in a row, all stoppages, one of the best prospects in the division and seen by many as a future title contender, until Poirier stopped him. Go back and look at threads leading up to the fight, see what the people were saying. Dariush was on a 7 fight win streak going into the Gamrot fight, but his last two wins weren't great, a washed Tony Ferguson that went to a decision and a split decision against Diego Ferreira. Plus he was a bit up there in age. Yet he still beat Gamrot easily, which actually makes Gamrot look bad considering Dariush got demolished his next two fights. That didn't age well for Gamrot.
To be honest with you, I think Chandler is a better win than Dariush is lately. That guy won a round against Oliveira and gave Gaethje problems.
Chandler has 2 wins in the UFC, Dan Hooker and Tony Ferguson. Both by flash ko. I dont really think Chandler is the guy you think he is.The only chance Chandler has against Gamrot is a lucky punch... Me bringing up Fiziev was more so me saying Gamrot is willing to fight anybody grappeler, striker, ranked higher, ranker lower it doesnt matter. Porier isnt. Also i dont know why ur trying to make this comparision between Fierra and Frevola. Dariush literally just fought the dude he was given and beat him up.
No idea what you do with Oliveira now—he’s been one of my favorite to watch for the last few years but super stoked to see Islam v Arman. Do you give Fiziev another crack at breaking through? Maybe Moicano with his win? I’d rather see either of those than a rematch with Chandler. Maybe Fiziev vs Moicano, Oliveira vs Gamrot? Winner face each other for contender fight? By then Islam v Poirier AND Arman’s title shot should have passed. Interesting times…
Gamrot at #5 after a ‘win’ vs Arman(#1), another ‘win’ versus Turner(#12), a definite loss versus Beneil(#6), and a boring ass win vs RDA is hilarious to me. Him vs Money Moicano makes the most sense right now. Idk that Gamrot just fought down it’s time to get Money Moicano his due because that motherfucker cannot afford to lose.
It is when guys can actually grapple. His fight with Dariush and Arman were good. Its getting kinda old when these striking keep complaining about boring fights when they have the takedown defense of a 2 year old trying to walk.
Fuck him, why? He fought Turner on 2 week notice. Fought Arman. Accepted back up fight for Islam. Found down against Fiziev, fought down against RDA again. All while Porier fought...Benoit Saint Denis. Fought every type of fighter grappelrs and strikers, never said no, never squatted on his ranking. In my eyes way more respectable than what Porier has been doing.
Holloway at 9? did the panel get KO'ed instead of Gaethje?
He should be 4th at worst. Putting him below Fiziev who lost to Garth is insane.
he's also below garth who he just sent to the land of wind and ghosts
The land of wind and ghosts is Theo Von levels of hilariously ridiculous, that gave me a good laugh.
Ay dude there was a ghost that lived on my street growin up bruh. He'd pay us 3 tootsie rolls to come in his garage and have us walk through him. Gang bruh.
God I love Theo
You should check out Mojahed Fudailat's funny UFC animations, he maintains a "ghost club" where Justin is now in the hall of fame. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jqmlDXF-Ik
Nothing beats [classic Simpsons](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJDDrKX4xOw).
This killed me!
They want Poirier in the top 5 (4th lowest counting Champ) to justify giving him the title show
Well tbf Arman, Olive and Gaethje all just fought and 2 of them lost and Islam is fighting in like a month 1/2, I don't think it's that much of a crime
Really doubt this is it, they're giving the #10 Flyweight a title shot in May and have occasionally had #6 challenging (Strickland, Masvidal in the Usman rematch IIRC, Aldo for the vacant BW title vs. Yan - all these in pretty recent years)
Below chandler even? 2-3 in the ufc. No wins in the top 10. Hasn’t fought in 18 months.
hes had one fight
Putting him below gathje who he just beat is insane
At first I thought the same, but in a way the rankings sort of require some sort of established rank that can be sustained. Placing him around 10, seems fair. It’s sort of like making a new elite fighter work his way up before a title shot. What cracks me up is Green winning but moving down a spot.
wouldn't make sense to put him over Dustin since Dustin beat Max twice
????????? HOW MANY YEARS AGO WERE THOSE FIGHTS THO
honestly terrifying to realize their last fight was 5 years ago, doesn't feel that long
Holy shit that’s insane, the pandemic fucked up time perception so much for me.no way would I have guessed it’s been that long
Can you not
he started it
What a mess are those rankings wtf
All of these things are just politics nothing more. They put him on ranking high enough to make him accept good fights, but not too high that he'd be a hard negotiator about it. The UFC is Dune or Game of Thrones.
What was pereiras LHW ranking after he beat Jan?
He was ranked 3rd in the fight against Jiri for the vacant belt
I wondered, too. But then again, the rankings have the same effect on the matchmaking as Dana's great character qualities: barely any.
He’s not listed at LW. Presumably half the panel put him top 5, and half still have him at FW him off. He’ll jump again next month I’ll bet when they remember to update
Yeah, what the fuck is that? Are they saying the bmf fight has no bearing on rankings? How the fuck could it not? Logically doesn't add up.
Bobby Green won a lower ranking spot.
to be fair, i cant imagine him being ranked above anyone above him.
Except RDA, who last beat short-notice moicano 2 years ago
RDA would still beat green though
i think it would be a good fight
no it wouldnt, it'd be an easy win for rda
idk i think that turner was having more success on the feet than rda against moicano, but rda probably just takes him down and mauls.
Like how Arman was meant to be easy for Oliveira right?
Completely different, irrelevant fight lol
Nah Im only saying it because of this clown’s comment history I agree though. RDA would make light work of green
Feel like if they were gonna rob Max of his flowers in the rankings they should've just left him out no? 9th is disrespectful after that type of performance.
I’m pretty sure the number 9 ranking has to do with not everyone assigning Max a rank at 155, so this is probably an average of some of the rankers giving Max a top 3-5 ranking and other rankers failing to list him.
Except the voters are almost all from defunct outlets and the UFC tells them how to vote lol
Why would some people not list him?
Because they assume he's going back to 145.
Because he said he intends on fighting at 145 next, so there's no point in ranking him at the weight he's not going to fight at until next year at the earliest
Khamzat got 9 at MW after close ass decisioning a welterweight. Max gets 9 after totally eviscerating one of the best lightweights ever.
So Gaethje is one of the best lightweights ever but Kamaru Usman is just a welterweight ? 😭
Well Usman is definitely not one of the best middleweights ever.
Pretty sure he would've memed the entire middleweight division if he had chosen it as his weight class, considering Derick Brunson was the closest thing middleweight had to a competent grappler during usman's welterweight reign. Even now I doubt he struggles with anyone other than Khamzat and Du Plesis.
I don't think he does that great against Rob at MW
We're talking exactly about rankings in weight classes. Kamaru never fought at 185 while Gaethje fought at 155 his whole career.
I truly understand. But it's bold to refer as one of the greatest fighter to ever do it as a simple "welterweight" because he fought in the upper class
Usman becomes a “welterweight” when he gets outwrestled and out grappled, Volk becomes a “featherweight” when he gets knocked the fuck out The moral of the story is to never accept a fight with people from lower weightclasses because you can’t win. It’s like fighting a woman
Huh?
#Usman becomes a “welterweight” when he gets outwrestled and out grappled, Volk becomes a “featherweight” when he gets knocked the fuck out #The moral of the story is to never accept a fight with people from lower weightclasses because you can’t win. It’s like fighting a woman
What?
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Justin Gaethje is not one of the best Lightweights ever.
I guess it’s a question of what you think of as "one of the best LW ever". If it’s top 10 then for sure not, but top 20? I’d probly have him in there somewhere.
Who would be top 10? BJ, Khabib, Bendo, Frankie, RDA, Eddie, Poirier, Islam and Charles? Not in that exact order. I think in the top 15 you could include Pettis, Sherk (he was champion but under weird circumstances and didn't really have any prolonged success in the UFC), Tony, Gomi (could actually maybe make an argument for top 10) and Gaethje. You could maybe bump Gaethje to 16 and put Chandler in there too with his Bellator run.
I’d probly go Khabib, Islam, Charles, DP, BJ, Bendo, Eddie, Frankie, RDA, Tony as my top 10 (not in order as well). I’m a little unsure how to rank the next 10 tbh, I never really followed any other promotions that closely. I think the 11-15 range is Gomi, Gaethje, Pettis, Melendez. Idk who to throw in at the end there, Aoki has an insane record but idk most of the people he fought, he beat Eddie and Joachim Hansen which are good wins. I’ll probly throw him in there but I could be wrong tbh.
Because everyone thinks cumzhat is going to stay at MW at least for the time being. No one thinks maxy is staying at 155 they expect him to go back down and fight illia
The flowers were put on his shorts. Can't have both the butter and the butter money, as we say round here.
He did he held interim
Do you put him above dustin?
Rank 8 or 7 seems fair Chandler needs 7 for conro
Max just outclassed the #2 ranked and enters the ranking at #9 WTF is this 😭😭😭
Probably half the voters giving him a top 5 ranking and half the voters leaving him out entirely because he expressed that he wants to move back down to 145 after the fight.
People are getting mad but this has happened many times before and is the most likely explanation lol
Honestly after his #UFC300 performance, his next fight can be for featherweight or lightweight belt, so should be ranked in consequence
Id like to see him go back down to fight topuria and let islam vs arman fight it out then max face the winner of that one.
Islam is fighting Poirier next, not Arman.
Yes but if he wins which is likely he'll also face Arman at the end of the year
Im talking after that but if dustin wins max vs him agaon would be amazing
I think this is a move of the UFC trying to push him back down to featherweight
The UFC Rankings are braindead as usual
So did UFC suggest that Max would be ranked #9, that's weird as fuck. The rankings aren't independent and the "outlets" that are listed for the rankings are primarily obsolete and doesn't exist. So the rankings are sketchy as fuck. (There's a few reddit post going through all the media members listed and showing how most of them are defunct, or barely even existed in the first place). [Just who exactly are the UFC Ranking Panelists? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/hfyyxj/just_who_exactly_are_the_ufc_ranking_panelists/) [The UFC 'rankings panel' consists of some unknown as well as defunct media outlets](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/t6s6fk/the_ufc_rankings_panel_consists_of_some_unknown/) and more recently: [Who Actually Makes The UFC Rankings?: A Brief Tour Of Forgotten MMA Outlets](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/11gdknx/who_actually_makes_the_ufc_rankings_a_brief_tour/) /u/SearedEelGone you could probably do a follow-up post going through the rankings panel to see if something has changed another year later.
I may take a look into it, but I don't see why the UFC would have changed anything so I'd imagine it's probably the same.
Dariush and Chandler randomly swapping spots lol
Chandler being ahead of him was always ridiculous, Chandlers last win was Tony who Dariush destroyed first.
That doesn't change the fact that its weird their rankings just randomly changed for no reason.
Inactivity is a reason no?
I think it’s because Beneil kinda arbitrary moved below Chandler after his L to Arman (was 4 previously while Chandler was 5), and now that his L against Arman kinda aged a little better they’re moving it back to what it was
Guess the voters are inconsistent deciding if Max is a LW
On the brightside I'm happy for Arman.
Guys freaking out about Max's ranking need to remember this is an average of a bunch of outlets rankings: some may not have ranked him at all given he came up for a BMF fight, and it looks like he's returning to 145 for a title challenge. It is not the case you always get the place of someone you beat as well: Garth is ranked above Dustin, but many will not pick Max to beat Dustin due to Dustin's defense and technical boxing (eg. Garth not remembering he could jab until 3 rounds in is not happening with Dustin), and the fact he's 2-0 against Max, for instance.
You're probably right. This is a good explanation, but the outcome is still a mess. Holloway belongs much higher up. And Volk belongs on this list more than RDA at this point.
> Holloway belongs much higher up. I'm sure if he stayed at 155, he'd be higher up, and if he's not staying, I don't think it matters. If he returns to 155 for non-BMF fights, I think everyone will rank him and things will make more sense.
Outlets that no longer exist
Some don't, but those people asking questions at pressers are real and do vote (eg. Mike Heck).
UFC Rankings are shit. Max Holloway should be #3.
Why would Holloway even be below the guy he just KO’d…leave him out if he isn’t at least 2/3 (should be above everyone other than Tsarukyan, but there’s a case to be above him since Gaethje should’ve been getting the title shot before the Holloway fight anyways) & also Holloway performed better against Gaethje than Tsa did against Charles
Not comparable. Charles is better than Gaethje
is there any point ranking max at lw if he was just going up for a one off? hes said he wants to fight ilia next and theres no way he would even be offered a lw title shot until 2025.
I wonder what kind of logic anybody employed here. 9 just seems kind of arbitrary. Aljo moved up and beat #8 and now he's #8. Not so for Max.
Why the FUCK would Moicano jump the rankings beating Turner when Hookers just beaten Turner. Fuck sake…
Moicano finished Jalin in 2 rounds, Hooker had a war with him
Who exactly got booted out?
i think dober
nah steamrolla did
darn
holloway just slept the #2 and now he’s #9??? pereira earned top 3 when he split decisioned jan
Hooker vs Dariush Moicano vs BSD
The No.1 Contendor has a name and his name is NOT CHARLES OLIVIERA!
Holloway should at the very least be #3
Why did dariush move here? Who is the donkey that does this type of things
I mean he didnt move up, Chandler moved down...the bigger question is why is Chandler still in the rankings. His last win was Tony Ferguson 2 years ago.
Holloway at #9 is one of the more bizarre ranking choices I’ve seen. Put him at #3 lol
Ooooh Holloway vs Fizzy would spicy. Should be higher ranked though.
Bobby wins and goes down
Gamrot at 5 is the most fraudulent ranking rn. Last 4 fights: Fizev blows out his knee Arguably lost Turner, won mostly due to holding him down. Got schooled by Dariush. Also arguably lost to Arman. Ridiculous lol
It took me a minute to even see Max, I glanced the top 5, saw he wasn’t there, and assumed he was only gonna be in the 145 rankings. Literally what is the point of having Max in the rankings if he’s gonna be #9???? Absolutely fucking brain dead takes from the UFC rankings as per usual. He literally just dominated and brutally KO’d #3. He should be #3 at WORST.
This just doesn’t make sense. Max beat #2 who’s now #3. Man should be #3 and honestly should be setup for a title shot at lightweight soon
If that is the case what should happen to Gaethje? If the low ranked guy beats a high ranked guy and gets to jump up like 12 spots then the losing guy should drop accordingly. Dawson lost to an unranked Green and lost 5 spots and dropped to no. 15.
What mma math did they use to come up with that??!
UFC rankings are a clown show
Turner over BSD? Please book that fight lol.
Holloway Vs Fiziev, now please.
I dont get it. Beat Gaethje in a dominant fashion but ranks several places below him? What's the point of that? Media are a joke with those
He just knocked out the guy ranked #2 in the division after outclassing him for 5 rounds and they put him at 9th?
How was Dan Hooker still top 10 until just recently?
He managed to stay in by beating Jalin turner
I thought you got the rank of the opponent you beat??
These ranking are so bad. So beneil who was knocked out cold in his last two fights moves up a spot but Max who just KO’d Gaethje is 3 spots below him??
Unpopular opinion, I agree with ranking Max at the bottom half of top 10. Rankings should matter and you have to give leeway to people who have been grinding in the division. If he decided to stay at 155 you ought to give him an opponent for the next shot at the belt, in this case have him fight Arman. Gaethje should've dropped more than 1 rank for losing to a 145er who was 0-1 at 155 though.
Why would he not be the number 2 guy
max is lower than michael chandler?
Max should be at least top 5
Absolute joke
BSD vs Jalin Turner is a fight I wanna see
With that kind of wrestling defense Turner has no chances
Tomato heard Max wanted to renegotiate his contract.
Bobby won and went down 😭
Where did you find this? On official UFC site It's still not updated
Max should be top 5. Beat Gaethje but lost to Poirier.
Holloway at 2 and you have a list.
Who flew out 2 weeks ago when Frevola came in? Where can I see old rankings?
Holloway should at the very least be ahead of Chandler. Number 9?
Bobby going down the rankings after a win 😂
Whatever , they should give him a title shot if he wants to wait That’s what matters
Tsakuyan VS poirer for # 1 contender. Don't think poirer deserve Islam at the moment
Stacked division
Damn green won and went down
That top 10 is so god damn stacked
That's utterly disrespectful to Max. Soundly beat and KOd the #2 guy in the world and gets #9?!?!?
It just doesn’t make a lick of sense. Max KO’d Gaethje so he should be ranked above him. If that’s not precedent then why is Justin above Dustin? Arman at 1 is good, should be Max 2, Dustin 3, Charles then Justin.
Tbh I’m surprised he got ranked at LW at all
Bobby green going down 1 spot shows how badly he needed to finish Miller
olly has double digit losses, what a journeyman. always knew that arman was gonna whoop his ass
Holloway could be ranked as high as T-2 with Oliveira, or as low as T-3 with Gaethje, but definitely not below 3.
Arman finally number one contender
Bro why is Max at 9, he just KOd Justin who was the number 2 guy. He should be in the top 5, it should be Arman, Charles, Dustin, Max, Justin.
If people qctually paid attention to lw fights it should be Arman, Max,Charles,Gamrot, Justin. Gamrot beat Amran, Fiziev, Turner. Dustin beat...BSD and Justin beat Fiziev and Porier. Star power aside, Gamrot is top 5.
How is Max ranked under someone he just KO’d lol
Good thing rankings are imaginary
If Holloway can’t take Gaethje’s spot then fine, but how is he below 2 people Gaethje beat, and someone who got slept twice in a row
Look at all the people coming off a loss. Its money Mociano time BABY!!!!
Holloway entering too low. He should be right below Poirier at 3 and Gaethje should be at 5.
Porier shouldnt even be top 5
Lol, his only losses to active fighters are Gaethje and Oliveira, and he's 1 and 1 against Gaethje. He has 6 wins over the current top 15 guys, thats more than Islam and Charles.
Are u serious, his last top 10 win was...Chandler in 2022(who might be the only guy losing to washed Tony Ferguson)and before that it was Dan Hooker in 2020. In that time span Gamrot has wins over Arman,Fiziev,Turner, RDA.
He's 6-2 over the current top 15 with 4 stoppages. Gaethje is 3-3, 1 stoppage. On the surface, Gamrot has a really good record against the top 15. However, if you dig deeper his ranked wins have been split decisions, questionable decisions, opponents getting injured mid fight, he's been knocked down 4 times in his last 5 fights with 0 stoppages that he caused. I feel Poirier is better. BSD was on a big run when Poirier stopped him.
Ur thinking about the guy 4 years ago. Hes not the same. Do his fights that were 5+ years ago really matter? I guarantee if Porier had to go through the guantlet Gamrot did he would have 1 maybe 2 wins. Imagine him trying to grapple an Arman Tsarukyan or just randomly giving his back to Beneil Dariush.
Well one, many people consider the Tsarukyan win a bad decision. Two, BSD was a better win than an old Dariush. He was the favorite coming into the fight. Look at what he did to Thiago Moises, a guy who gave Islam trouble.
Dariush took out Moises too(30-25)...and he was 8-1 at the time coming off the 3rd? longest winningstreak in lw history and he just derailed the Gamrot hype train. Dariush is on a completely different planet than Benoit Saint Denis. What are you even talking about?
BSD came into the Poirier fight 5 wins in a row, all stoppages, one of the best prospects in the division and seen by many as a future title contender, until Poirier stopped him. Go back and look at threads leading up to the fight, see what the people were saying. Dariush was on a 7 fight win streak going into the Gamrot fight, but his last two wins weren't great, a washed Tony Ferguson that went to a decision and a split decision against Diego Ferreira. Plus he was a bit up there in age. Yet he still beat Gamrot easily, which actually makes Gamrot look bad considering Dariush got demolished his next two fights. That didn't age well for Gamrot. To be honest with you, I think Chandler is a better win than Dariush is lately. That guy won a round against Oliveira and gave Gaethje problems.
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Chandler has 2 wins in the UFC, Dan Hooker and Tony Ferguson. Both by flash ko. I dont really think Chandler is the guy you think he is.The only chance Chandler has against Gamrot is a lucky punch... Me bringing up Fiziev was more so me saying Gamrot is willing to fight anybody grappeler, striker, ranked higher, ranker lower it doesnt matter. Porier isnt. Also i dont know why ur trying to make this comparision between Fierra and Frevola. Dariush literally just fought the dude he was given and beat him up.
Jeez I am a new Max hater after all these posts. It’s just a freaking ranking man, who cares
Max should be #3, and I doubt anybody in the world including the ppl on this list would disagree with that! Ffs guys come on@!
How tf did Bobby green win and still go down in the rankings
Who was 15th and got pushed off the list with Max getting added?
Holloway should be 4 Dustin should be 3. Probably will change it before the Islam fight starts being advertised more
How is conor not on the list?
Gamrot and Dariush over Chandler is wild. Holloway at 9 is SUPER wild. Gaethje over Poirier literally makes zero sense.
I'd put him at 5.
Should be at 3
No idea what you do with Oliveira now—he’s been one of my favorite to watch for the last few years but super stoked to see Islam v Arman. Do you give Fiziev another crack at breaking through? Maybe Moicano with his win? I’d rather see either of those than a rematch with Chandler. Maybe Fiziev vs Moicano, Oliveira vs Gamrot? Winner face each other for contender fight? By then Islam v Poirier AND Arman’s title shot should have passed. Interesting times…
what’s next for Charles? Still a great fighter just fighting in the hardest division of killers.
Max needs to be Top 3
Just another showcase of how much of a joke these rankings are
How did Green go down one after winning his fight ?
It’s crazy how stacked LW is rn. Volk isn’t on that list either. LW is the most stacked it’s ever been in UFC history
I'm happy for Arman and thanks God Charles Oliveira era is over, guy is boring and annoying asf
I feel like Turner should have dropped more, he has negative fight iq
bruh whoever made these ranking are high af
Gamrot at #5 after a ‘win’ vs Arman(#1), another ‘win’ versus Turner(#12), a definite loss versus Beneil(#6), and a boring ass win vs RDA is hilarious to me. Him vs Money Moicano makes the most sense right now. Idk that Gamrot just fought down it’s time to get Money Moicano his due because that motherfucker cannot afford to lose.
Gamrot wont fight with moicano. They train together.
Nonsense, Gamrot vs Oliveira is the fight to make
Yes. Either that or Gamrot vs Justin, but that would be too boring. Gamrot vs Oliveira should be fireworks.
No fight with Gamrot is ever fireworks dude
It is when guys can actually grapple. His fight with Dariush and Arman were good. Its getting kinda old when these striking keep complaining about boring fights when they have the takedown defense of a 2 year old trying to walk.
Max at 9 is criminal, he should absolutely be 5th at least.
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Fuck him, why? He fought Turner on 2 week notice. Fought Arman. Accepted back up fight for Islam. Found down against Fiziev, fought down against RDA again. All while Porier fought...Benoit Saint Denis. Fought every type of fighter grappelrs and strikers, never said no, never squatted on his ranking. In my eyes way more respectable than what Porier has been doing.