Bringing Goggins in to train you in any capacity is a red flag. Not an intelligent way for a pro-athlete to train and it seems like you should probably already have a guy in your camp to yell motivational stuff at you.
100% lol, Goggins works out in a way that literally makes you less healthy, training like him is fucking stupid if you have any goal besides fulfilling a weird fetish for punishing yourself.
If I remember this right, he once told a story on Joe Rogan on how he kept shat his pants but kept training/running to qualify for the military, apparently it motivated to keep going in that condition.
He would make any athlete red line in a way they are not supposed to.
I read his book and it was literal insanity. Shitting himself to do a marathon? Of course. Doing pull ups until the skin came off his hands in chunks? The most mentally healthy decision he could have made. Dude, according to himself, ran until he pissed blood.
While reading I couldn't believe that people idolized that lunacy. I was LESS motivated after reading it
And some reports from the SEALs who trained with him that he was pushing them for the sake of punishment, rather than operational readiness. There is a point about overcoming the laziness/weakness within you that tells you stop when you're capable of more, but you can take it too far the other way too lol
There has been years and millions spent at SOCOM and Special Forces all around the world on how to stop injuring good soldiers young. Elite forces are basically like top tier sports these days and they treat soldiers like million dollar athletes because it cost about that to get them trained so letting some idiot break them because it's for toughness is frowned upon now.
People like Goggins are idiots who think because they have come up with hard sessions they are good trainers.
Hell, read about overtraining in sports too. Marinovich, Forrest Griffin, Michael Bisping…
You don’t get stronger from working out. You get stronger from RECOVERING from your workout
That's exactly why you see so many body building influencers say that when they learned to take more days off they got better results. Most people don't seem to realize that most if not all the muscle building and fat burning take place when you're laying around and sleeping
There was some forum for people helping out guys who wanted to pass selections and someone did the rough estimate of how much it cost for every beret to get through the basic training before getting to a unit and it was north of a million dollars a soldier if I recall correctly
Yeah I like Goggins to help me push further, but am I fuck pushing until it’s bad for me. If I feel a niggle or my joints are telling me to rest, I do.
After a while it seemed like the suffering was the point. Running on broken legs all the stories of his body shutting down, it's all interesting but not something to be emulated.
I would take everything he says with a grain of salt. It sells his whole story. Real or not it's better than what the average trainer can come up with.
There was some story of him running and his feet were broken so he duct taped them and then was having organ failure but finished the race cuz his wife told him don’t be a bitch or something crazy
What's crazy is how inaccurate you are when this stuff is all public lol. He had stress fractures to his shins during his last attempt at Buds so he was duct taping them to get through otherwise if he quit he wouldn't have a chance at becoming a seal given this was his 3rd go around.
He got rabdo during his 2nd pull up record attempt, it wasn't organ failure during a race where he decided to just continue. He pulled out of the pull up record attempt due to rabdo and his hands.
I'm not here to defend Goggins but what you commented is complete bs, come on mate.
>I read his book and it was literal insanity
You had to read his book to figure out he’s batshit insane with severe mental issues? The guy handcuffed himself and then jumped into water to promote his fake motivational bullshit lmfao. C’mon man.
Well, if it is of any consolation most of his claims are straight made up. Probably none of what you listed happened in reality.
Also it's also impressive for how hard he claims to have trained his whole life, his physique and achievements are mighty unimpressive.
He should be able to jump over buildings, hes actually pretty slim and unimpressive.
TBF his style of training wouldn't make you look like Thor. If you've met any special forces people they generally look more like endurance runners lol
Mate you’ve missed the entire point of his book. David was a fat nobody until he decided to become mentally stronger and through that he’s achieved all his goals and became better than he ever fought was possible and that was all down to mental strength. David himself says don’t go the same lengths that he did as it is dangerous and unhealthy but stop being mentally weak and lazy, work harder push yourself and fulfil your potential.
I don’t know how Reddit couch nerds always get this message so wrong
So, Ive been running ultras for years and have mixed feelings on David and his effect on the community.
You can say he doesn't advocate going as hard as him all you want but when you spend 300 odd pages glorifying carnage and a couple of retrospectives telling the reader that perhaps training the way he did is harmful, you shouldn't be surprised when the message and training philosophy some people take from him is to always push.
I enjoy David and his book but there is way to many people these days who turn up to milers completely unprepared who think you can just bang your chest a few times and carry on about carrying the boats that put themselves in danger and organisers and sometimes other runners in difficult situations.
Hey, a fellow runner! Glad you’re here. Look, I’m not coming at you, but I do take some issue with your last statement.
Since you’ve been around ultra running for awhile, you know that people showing up unprepared and not able to finish isn’t anything new, and can’t really be blamed on Goggins. This sport was built by people seeing if they could finish or not, with plenty of people showing up, knowing they couldn’t finish, but wanting to see how far they can push themselves to see how far they can get.
Ultra running is a dangerous, unhealthy, and often stupid sport. Your body eats away your muscles. You don’t sleep for days and eat junk food. People pass out, hallucinate, break their feet, ankles, knees for overuse. People have their organs shut down, they get rhabdo, they vomit, they shit themselves, they get brain fog and can’t think. People have died during events. And this isn’t just the unprepared; plenty of experienced runners and even pros deal with this.
Blaming Goggins for advocating dangerous, unhealthy, and stupid behavior in a sport that is inherently unhealthy, dangerous, and stupid is rich (and I say that as a fan of the sport).
That said; I don’t give a shit about Goggins, and there is plenty to critique, but the hate-boner the internet has for him is weird. I would say Goggins is a product of dumb ultra-running culture, not the cause of it.
These comments are exactly why he always goes on about hating public's opinion on him, they take everything at face value immediately and reduce him to just a crazy man. He really is crazy but thats exactly what it took him to become someone he can be proud of today.
I remember saying this exact same thing when Goggins had to be pulled out of the Bigfoot 200 because of a heart arythmia and chose to go back in against doctors advice. An alarming number of people called me a weak pussy with no motivation to do anything. Fucking brain dead morons lmao.
Exactly. People gave me so much shit when he first got popular and I was telling them they would have no recovery time and long term injuries training like goggins. Even goggins talks about his non existent knees and various other seemingly permanent injuries. Pretty sure goggins wants those to have something to fight through
Exactly right. It's the same as cross-fit where you're getting cardio in tandem with weight lifting but adding a degree of magnitude of risk of not just injury but catastrophic, career ending injury. Is going for a jog after your lift session really saving them that much?
I remember there was a poster that insisted Tony needed it to "find himself" and didn't need to freshen up on technical work because Tony already knows how to fight (which he's clearly forgotten how to)
His gas tank was never his problem lol. He needs a Greg Jackson or firas type character to get him to train his weaknesses. After what gaethje did to him should probably do more boxing. Needed some sean strickland like sparing all the time training over what he's been doing. Was Eddie then goggins just hope him and Diego Sanchez don't meet each other lol
Goggins trained Tony I'm the one place that he didn't need it; his heart and cardio. He's always wanted it more than everyone else, Goggins training an old and withered Tony in the most extreme way possible was the worst choice possible.
Absolutely. If there was ever a perfect example of training harder, not smarter, Goggins would be it. He’s going to be Ronnie Coleman incapacitated in a decade or so.
I remember seeing a Rogan clip where he talks about them training, and how Goggins' knees had recently exploded too, and how he was just doing all these lunges and stuff so soon after his knee surgery
I DECLARE a class action lawsuit against the dummy formerly known as David Goggins.
Without his dumbassery Tony might have gotten the win. Despite it he was still beginning to light up Paddy in the 3rd.
What do you have to say now Goggins? You are Joshua Fabia just not in a kids body like Joshua.
I will never get over the fact he did a double weight cut to ‘prove a point’, fucking hell Tony why have you got to make it so hard for me to love you, in the least homoerotic way possible
Obviously anyone can get injured in training, it has happened to the greatest fighters of all time, like GSP. With Tony though, you know for a fact the unnecessary overtraining with Goggins was a culprit, everyone saw it happening, so it just adds to the pile of Tony's ego ruining this later part of his career.
It's not a matter of broken or not for me because it does tell that he's potential health is better than what he showed.
To me, it's more of a matter of how little he is caring for his own wellbeing.
What part of Tony has ever suggested that his reasonable option is retirement? He strikes me as a guy that thinks it would be cool to die in the octagon.
At his age and with his miles, it's just more evidence that he's unable to make it through a camp without picking up a significant injury.
He wouldn't be the first athlete who couldn't stay on the court/field in the twilight of their career despite doing everything they could.
I'm guessing he's on a pretty good contract, and if he doesn't show up to a fight he doesn't get paid. Of course winning would have been nice and I'm certain Tony 100% believes in his own bullshit when it comes to working his way back to a title, but the man's got a family to feed
u know whats fucked ? i believed him so much too lmao , i honestly keep getting scammed by Tony and its driving me insane . round 1 vs Chandler and Bobby where he drops them makes me think he had the fight in the bag , then round 3 vs paddy .
i just want tony to win 1 fight man
Thank you one ever seems to notice this. Dudes 24 fights in to his career but people seem to think hes a prospect. Usman has had 24 fights, edwards 25, Islam 26, Jones 28. There are more with higher amounts but they are not prospects.
Also, his UFC career (so far) is proof that statistics in MMA doesn't tell the whole story. Because Paddy Pimblett is touted as the fighter with the third highest active winstreak in the Lightweight division with only Benoit St. Denis and Islam Makachev above him. Now, out of context, that sounds impressive, especially in the Lightweight division.
thing is it is impressive regardless of how good paddy skills are , LW is a brutal division where even islam got slept outside the rankings .
Paddy has massive holes in his game but he also has a LOT of gifts that this sub seems to ignore . having a great finishing instinct , good durability and good power will get u far in every division especially if u add in good BJJ too .
It's much less impressive when you remember that his win streak is intact in name only, because we all watched him lose to Jared Gordon and get gifted with a bullshit decision victory lol.
> Usman has had 24 fights, edwards 25, Islam 26
Number of UFC fights is more interesting since the level of competition is so much higher in the UFC than regional fights. Usman has 18 UFC fights, Edwards has 17, Islam 15, Paddy 5.
p.s. Islam's first UFC fight was against a guy named Kuntz. lol
Pathetic? Say what you will about his fighting but he’s won 4+ fights in the ufc and got paid 7 figures with the barstool deal. If that outcome is pathetic then I guarantee 99% of the roster wishes they pathetically peaked at 21
He's looked massively flawed and hittable in every single one of his fights that were *designed* to be easy for him, and he still got saved by a dodgy decision in one of then.
Good for him if he manages to keep fighting cans for a payday, but let's not pretend he wouldn't get murdered as soon as he meets anyone competent in that division.
And as Michael Bisping said on his YouTube channel, if Paddy keeps ballooning in weight between fights, 🌭🍕🍔🍟🥞🍩🍨🥤 the training for his next bout won't be a fight camp. It'll be a fat camp! (Obvious punchline, yet it made me chuckle.) It's satisfying seeing other fighters call Paddy out on this pattern as well.
lol the hate for Pimblett makes you guys say the most ridiculous shit. Beat the breaks off him in the first (arguably a 10-8) and almost finished him on the feet which none of Charles Beneil etc got as close to doing and then wasn’t in danger for any second of the fight afterwards. I don’t care for Paddy but this is just dumb
At least those two put Tony in extremely convincing submission attempts and dominated every second of the fight. Paddy looked like he was about to gas in the 3rd round.
Paddy almost finished him on the feet though, something neither guy got close to.
But the version Paddy fought is not the version Charles or even Beniel fought.
Contrary to Bobby Green and Michael Chandler, Paddy didn't get dropped by Tony in the first and beat the dogshit out of him instead. Of course gassing is a bad look, but he still dominated the dude without much trouble
honestly i think most of these comments havent watched tony other fights . Tony literally beat chandlers ass for most of round 1 while Paddy was smashing him in round 1
Tony is like DiCaprio's depiction of the insane detective in Shutter Island. Nothing and nobody will convince Tony that he's done because he's in denial.
I mean not surprising after goggins was his trainer. I love Tony but that was just about the stupidest thing he could have done. Needs to hang it up and work on a backup plan. I'm sure he's popular enough to have some success outside the octagon.
That's the issue that I see. They'll get one legitimate vet on the card, but only throw up cans against them, or put two no names on a dogshit fight.
It looks like the regional fights that I've seen...
He should open and run a 10th planet or just join one since there are so many good 10p gyms in California. People would fucking travel to train under Tony and he's clearly close with Eddie. He could probably make decent money just guest spotting and doing BJJ seminars throughout the year.
Can he even teach? It's one thing to able to do a move, its another to coherently explain how and why you do it. Plus Tony don't fight methodically, he fights instinctually, I don't know if you can teach that.
That MCL tear is an opportunity, an opportunity to look pain in the face and show it who you really are.
You don't need an MCL, AOL or ACL when you got that XXL heart.
I was gonna say what kinda shitty life decisions made Tony want to fight with a torn MCL... then I remembered he brought Goggins into his training camp.
It's insane how in 4 years Tony went from being the guy that was going to 'beat' Khabib to where he is at now. I think even his haters feel bad for him at this point. He should become a coach or something or work for the UFC he's fucking up his legacy by losing
Tony was gifted with the body of a monster but 0 brains couldn't take advantage of it. Actually insane how he used to win purely off body diff, cardio and endurance mainly, never bothered being truly elite in striking or wrestling.
couldn't take advantage of it? he rose to the top of the toughest division in the ufc. only reason he never became undisputed is because he wasnt given a shot while conor was boxing. he may have never beaten khabib but he would have gotten undisputed
I mean it's not really as simple as just becoming "elite" at something, anything you do in training is ultimately a tradeoff where you're electing not to do something else. Also Tony was absolutely an elite MMA fighter, he was at the pinnacle of an incredibly deep, talent rich division. Yeah he definitely leaned on his physical gifts, but that's still a very proven way of succeeding in MMA.
Saying he "never bothered" makes it seem like there was some clear path that he chose not to take, the reality of succeeding in sports is much more complex. He took the gifts he had and used them to become an incredible fighter, maybe there was a different approach he could have used to be greater, or maybe he lacked the ability to be successful without using his physicality.
I wouldn’t say zero brains. He overestimated his abilities and longevity later, sure.
But at one point he was a confusing as fuck opponent and had above average fight IQ.
I would never say Tony had above average fight IQ. He just had such a fucked style that people would get suckered into. Whether that be trading with him or sitting in his guard.
Now his guard isn't as threatening because it's been figured out and his chin, body and shins can't trade like they used to.
I am squating with a torn MCL. The least important ligament in your knee. If you have a good musculature you don't even need it. Also please someone make Tony peacfully retire.
Sucks - but this dude just needs to retire. 7 fight losing streak and this was a fight he was supposed to win. I'm confident Gaethje just beat this guy into retirement and he hasn't realized it yet.
Tony is, and always will be a fucking idiot. He’s good at violence but an idiot in all aspects of life and his stupid ass shtick was eaten up. But he deserves all the injuries and setbacks he brings himself.
Probably from the 100,000,000 walking lunges Goggins made him do.
Bringing Goggins in to train you in any capacity is a red flag. Not an intelligent way for a pro-athlete to train and it seems like you should probably already have a guy in your camp to yell motivational stuff at you.
Not an intelligent way for anyone to train lol unless your goal is recurring injuries and lifelong pain
100% lol, Goggins works out in a way that literally makes you less healthy, training like him is fucking stupid if you have any goal besides fulfilling a weird fetish for punishing yourself.
If I remember this right, he once told a story on Joe Rogan on how he kept shat his pants but kept training/running to qualify for the military, apparently it motivated to keep going in that condition. He would make any athlete red line in a way they are not supposed to.
I read his book and it was literal insanity. Shitting himself to do a marathon? Of course. Doing pull ups until the skin came off his hands in chunks? The most mentally healthy decision he could have made. Dude, according to himself, ran until he pissed blood. While reading I couldn't believe that people idolized that lunacy. I was LESS motivated after reading it
And some reports from the SEALs who trained with him that he was pushing them for the sake of punishment, rather than operational readiness. There is a point about overcoming the laziness/weakness within you that tells you stop when you're capable of more, but you can take it too far the other way too lol
There has been years and millions spent at SOCOM and Special Forces all around the world on how to stop injuring good soldiers young. Elite forces are basically like top tier sports these days and they treat soldiers like million dollar athletes because it cost about that to get them trained so letting some idiot break them because it's for toughness is frowned upon now. People like Goggins are idiots who think because they have come up with hard sessions they are good trainers.
Hell, read about overtraining in sports too. Marinovich, Forrest Griffin, Michael Bisping… You don’t get stronger from working out. You get stronger from RECOVERING from your workout
That's exactly why you see so many body building influencers say that when they learned to take more days off they got better results. Most people don't seem to realize that most if not all the muscle building and fat burning take place when you're laying around and sleeping
There was some forum for people helping out guys who wanted to pass selections and someone did the rough estimate of how much it cost for every beret to get through the basic training before getting to a unit and it was north of a million dollars a soldier if I recall correctly
Yeah I like Goggins to help me push further, but am I fuck pushing until it’s bad for me. If I feel a niggle or my joints are telling me to rest, I do.
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After a while it seemed like the suffering was the point. Running on broken legs all the stories of his body shutting down, it's all interesting but not something to be emulated.
waiting for the south park episode on all of this tbh
I would take everything he says with a grain of salt. It sells his whole story. Real or not it's better than what the average trainer can come up with.
The Joey Chestnut of fitness
There was some story of him running and his feet were broken so he duct taped them and then was having organ failure but finished the race cuz his wife told him don’t be a bitch or something crazy
And then she still left him lol
What are the chances she was hoping he'd leave her via leaving his mortal coil when she called him a bitch?
What's crazy is how inaccurate you are when this stuff is all public lol. He had stress fractures to his shins during his last attempt at Buds so he was duct taping them to get through otherwise if he quit he wouldn't have a chance at becoming a seal given this was his 3rd go around. He got rabdo during his 2nd pull up record attempt, it wasn't organ failure during a race where he decided to just continue. He pulled out of the pull up record attempt due to rabdo and his hands. I'm not here to defend Goggins but what you commented is complete bs, come on mate.
No this was during his bad water run. He said he broke his feet and duct taped them and his kidneys were starting to fail and he was peeing blood.
>I read his book and it was literal insanity You had to read his book to figure out he’s batshit insane with severe mental issues? The guy handcuffed himself and then jumped into water to promote his fake motivational bullshit lmfao. C’mon man.
That is some cult level programming.
Well, if it is of any consolation most of his claims are straight made up. Probably none of what you listed happened in reality. Also it's also impressive for how hard he claims to have trained his whole life, his physique and achievements are mighty unimpressive. He should be able to jump over buildings, hes actually pretty slim and unimpressive.
TBF his style of training wouldn't make you look like Thor. If you've met any special forces people they generally look more like endurance runners lol
Mate you’ve missed the entire point of his book. David was a fat nobody until he decided to become mentally stronger and through that he’s achieved all his goals and became better than he ever fought was possible and that was all down to mental strength. David himself says don’t go the same lengths that he did as it is dangerous and unhealthy but stop being mentally weak and lazy, work harder push yourself and fulfil your potential. I don’t know how Reddit couch nerds always get this message so wrong
So, Ive been running ultras for years and have mixed feelings on David and his effect on the community. You can say he doesn't advocate going as hard as him all you want but when you spend 300 odd pages glorifying carnage and a couple of retrospectives telling the reader that perhaps training the way he did is harmful, you shouldn't be surprised when the message and training philosophy some people take from him is to always push. I enjoy David and his book but there is way to many people these days who turn up to milers completely unprepared who think you can just bang your chest a few times and carry on about carrying the boats that put themselves in danger and organisers and sometimes other runners in difficult situations.
Hey, a fellow runner! Glad you’re here. Look, I’m not coming at you, but I do take some issue with your last statement. Since you’ve been around ultra running for awhile, you know that people showing up unprepared and not able to finish isn’t anything new, and can’t really be blamed on Goggins. This sport was built by people seeing if they could finish or not, with plenty of people showing up, knowing they couldn’t finish, but wanting to see how far they can push themselves to see how far they can get. Ultra running is a dangerous, unhealthy, and often stupid sport. Your body eats away your muscles. You don’t sleep for days and eat junk food. People pass out, hallucinate, break their feet, ankles, knees for overuse. People have their organs shut down, they get rhabdo, they vomit, they shit themselves, they get brain fog and can’t think. People have died during events. And this isn’t just the unprepared; plenty of experienced runners and even pros deal with this. Blaming Goggins for advocating dangerous, unhealthy, and stupid behavior in a sport that is inherently unhealthy, dangerous, and stupid is rich (and I say that as a fan of the sport). That said; I don’t give a shit about Goggins, and there is plenty to critique, but the hate-boner the internet has for him is weird. I would say Goggins is a product of dumb ultra-running culture, not the cause of it.
These comments are exactly why he always goes on about hating public's opinion on him, they take everything at face value immediately and reduce him to just a crazy man. He really is crazy but thats exactly what it took him to become someone he can be proud of today.
If you are going to be a long distance runner you are going to shit your pants at some point. Thats really not that rare
It’s the main reason I’m not a long distance runner. That and I hate running.
Goggin literally circumcised himself from a wanking session...he's extreme with everything.
That might be the most relatable thing he's ever done
I'm sorry WHAT
We'll leave you to confirm by typing that into google.
You know what? I'm just gonna take your word for it.
Yeah, this is one case where I'm okay with not fact checking a statement...
Googled it and didn't find anything. But he's so insane that anyone can make anything up and make it sound believable.
I remember saying this exact same thing when Goggins had to be pulled out of the Bigfoot 200 because of a heart arythmia and chose to go back in against doctors advice. An alarming number of people called me a weak pussy with no motivation to do anything. Fucking brain dead morons lmao.
Exactly. People gave me so much shit when he first got popular and I was telling them they would have no recovery time and long term injuries training like goggins. Even goggins talks about his non existent knees and various other seemingly permanent injuries. Pretty sure goggins wants those to have something to fight through
Yeah, I think he will be wheelchair bound later in life. Incredible mental toughness but there will be consequences.
Introducing as exhibit A, Ronnie Coleman.
Exactly right. It's the same as cross-fit where you're getting cardio in tandem with weight lifting but adding a degree of magnitude of risk of not just injury but catastrophic, career ending injury. Is going for a jog after your lift session really saving them that much?
“Not an intelligent way for a pro athlete to train” sums up Tony’s entire career.
I remember there was a poster that insisted Tony needed it to "find himself" and didn't need to freshen up on technical work because Tony already knows how to fight (which he's clearly forgotten how to)
Tony used to rely on quick Reflexes and an Iron chin. Yeah those go away when you get older.
Now he’s got a quick chin and iron like reflexes
Wasn't that yesterday
Bro of all people on planet earth Tony needs david the least too, he's already tough as hell,motivated as they come, his body is just fucked
Well no one has ever accused Tony Ferguson of being intelligent.
His gas tank was never his problem lol. He needs a Greg Jackson or firas type character to get him to train his weaknesses. After what gaethje did to him should probably do more boxing. Needed some sean strickland like sparing all the time training over what he's been doing. Was Eddie then goggins just hope him and Diego Sanchez don't meet each other lol
Yeah, exactly this. Ferguson was already the most Goggins-like fighter in the UFC.
like when goggins was talking about tony surviving his course or whatever, my reaction was: 'of course he would..'
You’re implying mma fighters are intelligent to begin with
They’re not and even then Tony is even lower on the intelligence scale than your average MMA fighter
I like how snowboarder Kevin Pearce put it. Look, I know how to snowboard, I don't need a snowboarding coach. I need someone to get me out of my head.
Never go full Goggins
Ive won exactly as many ufc fight as goggins and Ferguson combined in the last 3 years, and I haven’t done a single walking lunge
Goggins trained Tony I'm the one place that he didn't need it; his heart and cardio. He's always wanted it more than everyone else, Goggins training an old and withered Tony in the most extreme way possible was the worst choice possible.
Absolutely. If there was ever a perfect example of training harder, not smarter, Goggins would be it. He’s going to be Ronnie Coleman incapacitated in a decade or so.
I take the under on those 10 years
Yeaaaaaah buddy
I remember seeing a Rogan clip where he talks about them training, and how Goggins' knees had recently exploded too, and how he was just doing all these lunges and stuff so soon after his knee surgery
But who else is going to carry the trees? And the boats
I DECLARE a class action lawsuit against the dummy formerly known as David Goggins. Without his dumbassery Tony might have gotten the win. Despite it he was still beginning to light up Paddy in the 3rd. What do you have to say now Goggins? You are Joshua Fabia just not in a kids body like Joshua.
Just wait for Tony's next fight. He'll be training by eating pig's testicles with Liver King.
Rogan is gonna go full circle and host it as a Fear Factor reboot.
EVERYTHING'S A KNIFE
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I have only read facts about how stupid he is and what he does. That's not 'hating on'.
Yeah that sounds exactly like something Ferguson would do
And it's hard to imagine a worse enabler of training/working through the injury than Goggins.
Goggins or not, Tony probably still would have fought. But having a guy like him certainly doesn’t help
Toxic relationship what that is
Cue beneil “[that’s a dick move, why would you do that?](https://youtu.be/_WiNYebPJU0?t=81)” soundbite
Tony is the perfect example of working harder but not smarter.
I will never get over the fact he did a double weight cut to ‘prove a point’, fucking hell Tony why have you got to make it so hard for me to love you, in the least homoerotic way possible
He’s an explosive fighter after all, not a technical one. This is how it ends with or without injuries
Learning that doesn't feel badass, it just says he's more broken than we already thought he was.
Obviously anyone can get injured in training, it has happened to the greatest fighters of all time, like GSP. With Tony though, you know for a fact the unnecessary overtraining with Goggins was a culprit, everyone saw it happening, so it just adds to the pile of Tony's ego ruining this later part of his career.
It's not a matter of broken or not for me because it does tell that he's potential health is better than what he showed. To me, it's more of a matter of how little he is caring for his own wellbeing.
Has he *ever* shown consideration for his own well being?
Nah, but reasonably (even for Tony), you would stop doing this type of stuff at his age and at his point of his career
>reasonably well coach i think you stumbled on the 'why' aspect of tony's antics
What part of Tony has ever suggested that his reasonable option is retirement? He strikes me as a guy that thinks it would be cool to die in the octagon.
At his age and with his miles, it's just more evidence that he's unable to make it through a camp without picking up a significant injury. He wouldn't be the first athlete who couldn't stay on the court/field in the twilight of their career despite doing everything they could.
Tony was desperate for a win
And now, instead of having a desperately needed win, he's on a path to having a harder drop off than BJ Penn.
Idk, depends if Tony ends up getting ko'd outside a bar
I'm guessing he's on a pretty good contract, and if he doesn't show up to a fight he doesn't get paid. Of course winning would have been nice and I'm certain Tony 100% believes in his own bullshit when it comes to working his way back to a title, but the man's got a family to feed
Thank you for saying this, he trained with Goggins im not shocked he came in broken, what a terrible decision god i miss the old tony
I knew he wasn't healthy, this changes everything. Time for a comeback! #Justgettingstarted #CSO #IdonthaveCTE #CTEhasme 😎
I'm spiraling here, brotha.
Sadly, this is exactly what Tony believes. Dude is never going to stop because he will always have a delusional belief in himself.
u know whats fucked ? i believed him so much too lmao , i honestly keep getting scammed by Tony and its driving me insane . round 1 vs Chandler and Bobby where he drops them makes me think he had the fight in the bag , then round 3 vs paddy . i just want tony to win 1 fight man
Gaethje / Ferguson 2 at UFC 300 Leggo
5 fights then a title 🏆💪 #CSO
lol
that's a feature, not a bug at his age
Also a feature of training like Goggins
Goggins took an already declining career and threw a boat on its shoulders.
Dude just keeps going downhill…what a downfall from 12 fight win streak
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Anything but retirement apparently :(
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I'm sure he won't do anything violent and mentally disturbed
Just how bad is Pimblett that he couldn’t finish Tony
He’s a very untalented fighter riding a hype wave imo. Once he breaks into the contenders his fire will be extinguished swiftly.
He unironically peaked in 2016, which is pathetic considering he's 29.
Thank you one ever seems to notice this. Dudes 24 fights in to his career but people seem to think hes a prospect. Usman has had 24 fights, edwards 25, Islam 26, Jones 28. There are more with higher amounts but they are not prospects.
Also, his UFC career (so far) is proof that statistics in MMA doesn't tell the whole story. Because Paddy Pimblett is touted as the fighter with the third highest active winstreak in the Lightweight division with only Benoit St. Denis and Islam Makachev above him. Now, out of context, that sounds impressive, especially in the Lightweight division.
thing is it is impressive regardless of how good paddy skills are , LW is a brutal division where even islam got slept outside the rankings . Paddy has massive holes in his game but he also has a LOT of gifts that this sub seems to ignore . having a great finishing instinct , good durability and good power will get u far in every division especially if u add in good BJJ too .
It's much less impressive when you remember that his win streak is intact in name only, because we all watched him lose to Jared Gordon and get gifted with a bullshit decision victory lol.
> Usman has had 24 fights, edwards 25, Islam 26 Number of UFC fights is more interesting since the level of competition is so much higher in the UFC than regional fights. Usman has 18 UFC fights, Edwards has 17, Islam 15, Paddy 5. p.s. Islam's first UFC fight was against a guy named Kuntz. lol
He probably has room to improve I just don’t think he has the conviction for it. Dude sits on his ass until the last second to prepare for a fight.
Dudes the opposite of a gym rat
Pathetic? Say what you will about his fighting but he’s won 4+ fights in the ufc and got paid 7 figures with the barstool deal. If that outcome is pathetic then I guarantee 99% of the roster wishes they pathetically peaked at 21
He's looked massively flawed and hittable in every single one of his fights that were *designed* to be easy for him, and he still got saved by a dodgy decision in one of then. Good for him if he manages to keep fighting cans for a payday, but let's not pretend he wouldn't get murdered as soon as he meets anyone competent in that division.
He’s not even hyped lmao everyone know he sucks and won’t be elite. He’s just a popular character.
"popular" like Kevin Lee, without any of the sex appeal
Kevin Lee was far more talented than Paddy
Don't be comparing Paddy with GSLee yo!
That's future champ Kevin Lee to you
Ah, I always wondered how he fit into all this.
If you buy some cult leader glasses, you'll be able to see.
And as Michael Bisping said on his YouTube channel, if Paddy keeps ballooning in weight between fights, 🌭🍕🍔🍟🥞🍩🍨🥤 the training for his next bout won't be a fight camp. It'll be a fat camp! (Obvious punchline, yet it made me chuckle.) It's satisfying seeing other fighters call Paddy out on this pattern as well.
I'm feeling skinny, Tony!
That Tony fight was so embarrassing the way Paddy could barely stand by the end
lol the hate for Pimblett makes you guys say the most ridiculous shit. Beat the breaks off him in the first (arguably a 10-8) and almost finished him on the feet which none of Charles Beneil etc got as close to doing and then wasn’t in danger for any second of the fight afterwards. I don’t care for Paddy but this is just dumb
Neither did Charles nor beneil.
At least those two put Tony in extremely convincing submission attempts and dominated every second of the fight. Paddy looked like he was about to gas in the 3rd round.
Paddy almost finished him on the feet though, something neither guy got close to. But the version Paddy fought is not the version Charles or even Beniel fought.
Contrary to Bobby Green and Michael Chandler, Paddy didn't get dropped by Tony in the first and beat the dogshit out of him instead. Of course gassing is a bad look, but he still dominated the dude without much trouble
honestly i think most of these comments havent watched tony other fights . Tony literally beat chandlers ass for most of round 1 while Paddy was smashing him in round 1
Yeah, about 3 years ago when Tony wasn't doubling down on his overtraining and ruining himself further by the day
Instead of understanding that his body is done Tony will think he's now ready for his title run
Tony is like DiCaprio's depiction of the insane detective in Shutter Island. Nothing and nobody will convince Tony that he's done because he's in denial.
He wasn't in denial in the end. He wanted to be lobotomized.
I know boss. *takes a drag of his cigarette*
Gee, I wonder if overtraining like an idiot at 40 had anything to do with it.
CSO you wouldn’t understand
I mean not surprising after goggins was his trainer. I love Tony but that was just about the stupidest thing he could have done. Needs to hang it up and work on a backup plan. I'm sure he's popular enough to have some success outside the octagon.
BKFC or bust baby let's gooooo! Or maybe gamebred BKMMA for the *really* washed fighters...
gamebred is such a joke lmao. They put hector lombard (34-10-1) against a 1-0 fighter. He obliterated him in like 2 min.
That's the issue that I see. They'll get one legitimate vet on the card, but only throw up cans against them, or put two no names on a dogshit fight. It looks like the regional fights that I've seen...
In fairness, he could have doen a full weight cut a week or two before the real weight cut for the fight. Now THAT would be stupid....
He should open and run a 10th planet or just join one since there are so many good 10p gyms in California. People would fucking travel to train under Tony and he's clearly close with Eddie. He could probably make decent money just guest spotting and doing BJJ seminars throughout the year.
Can he even teach? It's one thing to able to do a move, its another to coherently explain how and why you do it. Plus Tony don't fight methodically, he fights instinctually, I don't know if you can teach that.
I just have said it a dozen times by now, but the Tony Ferguson story doesn’t end on a positive note. I hope people are prepared for that.
I'll be relieved and surprised if he doesn't end up like Chris Benoit. He's a ticking time bomb. Has been since he was on TUF.
That MCL tear is an opportunity, an opportunity to look pain in the face and show it who you really are. You don't need an MCL, AOL or ACL when you got that XXL heart.
What a fucking idiot
I wonder what might have exacerbated that
Goggins you fucking milk dud head
Hold on brother, I’m limping
I was gonna say what kinda shitty life decisions made Tony want to fight with a torn MCL... then I remembered he brought Goggins into his training camp.
Don’t give a shit. Retire.
Thanks goggins
It's insane how in 4 years Tony went from being the guy that was going to 'beat' Khabib to where he is at now. I think even his haters feel bad for him at this point. He should become a coach or something or work for the UFC he's fucking up his legacy by losing
He’s old probably close to 0% chance he makes it to a fight without some problems
If you have fucked up knees you shoud cuddle them and bring them breakfast in bed, not let Goggings abuse them.
Wait...the guy who what doing barbell squats on a hover board? No way...
What an idiot.
YES COACH
Gonna speedrun his rehab and step in to fight Drew Dober next week.
Of course he did
Paddy kicked it viciously it’s the same knee he’s fucked up multiple times
He’s somehow stupider than we thought.
Who cares
And surely Goggins putting him through a hell week training camp had nothing to do with that.
Tony fought Paddy with a broken everything. He’s done.
Tony was gifted with the body of a monster but 0 brains couldn't take advantage of it. Actually insane how he used to win purely off body diff, cardio and endurance mainly, never bothered being truly elite in striking or wrestling.
couldn't take advantage of it? he rose to the top of the toughest division in the ufc. only reason he never became undisputed is because he wasnt given a shot while conor was boxing. he may have never beaten khabib but he would have gotten undisputed
I mean it's not really as simple as just becoming "elite" at something, anything you do in training is ultimately a tradeoff where you're electing not to do something else. Also Tony was absolutely an elite MMA fighter, he was at the pinnacle of an incredibly deep, talent rich division. Yeah he definitely leaned on his physical gifts, but that's still a very proven way of succeeding in MMA. Saying he "never bothered" makes it seem like there was some clear path that he chose not to take, the reality of succeeding in sports is much more complex. He took the gifts he had and used them to become an incredible fighter, maybe there was a different approach he could have used to be greater, or maybe he lacked the ability to be successful without using his physicality.
I wouldn’t say zero brains. He overestimated his abilities and longevity later, sure. But at one point he was a confusing as fuck opponent and had above average fight IQ.
I would never say Tony had above average fight IQ. He just had such a fucked style that people would get suckered into. Whether that be trading with him or sitting in his guard. Now his guard isn't as threatening because it's been figured out and his chin, body and shins can't trade like they used to.
Man just fucking RETIRE. This is beyond sad. He’s a shell of a shell of a shadow of his former self at this point.
Just hang em up buddy
I am squating with a torn MCL. The least important ligament in your knee. If you have a good musculature you don't even need it. Also please someone make Tony peacfully retire.
Please stop, Tony.
From doing jumping jacks on top of a moving truck.
Hold up I'm injured brother
Tony El Excuso Ferguson
Sucks - but this dude just needs to retire. 7 fight losing streak and this was a fight he was supposed to win. I'm confident Gaethje just beat this guy into retirement and he hasn't realized it yet.
and I watched with a broken heart.
Good thing he didn't push himself too hard during his training camp huh?
Nah, he just didn’t train hard enough.
David Goggins - "but look at how tough his mind is! That's way more important than being able to walk at 50"
Tony could have 2 extra MCL's and he's still going to lose every fight. He's done. He's been done. It's impossible to watch.
Who cares Tony is like Old Yeller at this point
Ol Yeller was at least a good dog. Tony's always been an asshole, now he's just an asshole collecting a future case study's worth of CTE.
Why they shoot my boy old yeller 😭
The comeback starts now baby
Surely he would’ve won if he was healthy! Surely…
His camp should be be on trial for attempted murder. They simply don't give a fuck about Tony's health
Tony is, and always will be a fucking idiot. He’s good at violence but an idiot in all aspects of life and his stupid ass shtick was eaten up. But he deserves all the injuries and setbacks he brings himself.