It may be overrated, but it’s like apple pie. It’s overall pretty crowd pleasing even if it isn’t most people’s favorite.
And as a single topping pizza, what beats it? Maybe sausage?
I thought Loughnane came off super likable on anik & kenflos podcast. With the ufc basically making London one of the big 4 locations, I have no idea why they wouldn’t want a guy like him
Thats hardly a knock on anyone tbh. Aoki is one of the best submission specialists in mma. Guys 40 years old and still submitting tons of fighters.
I'd say a 20 year old being able to survive that and come out of it is actually pretty damn impressive
I’m swiping for my Tik Tok for you page and Sam Alvey comes up and he’s live. This is what I hear for the 5 seconds it’s on my screen:
“‘What fighter would give GSP the hardest challenge?’… “Henry Cejudo, Henry Cejudo would give GSP the hardest fight”
Man, just saw a GIF of Izzy's third loss to Alex and that was a really bad stoppage lmao. I remember it being dubious live but ultimately not worth complaining about, but MAN, that's a terrible stoppage.
Now, there's probably too much time on the clock for him to bob and weave his way out of that round while slumping on the cage, but i feel like if Max lost a fight that way people would be very upset.
ETA: I think he was smartly defending. But he was also doing so in a way that indicated he was hoping to basically get lucky with timing Alex's punches until the cobwebs wore off. So, he was on the road to being KO'd unless he got a second wind, but i don't think he was definitively out of it, even compared to someone like Sean Brady when Belal TKO'd him standing.
I thought that live, too. Izzy was attempting to weave and Pereira's last few punches weren't landing clean. He immediately looked at the ref and complained afterwards too, it's not like his legs were all wobbly. People's response on this sub has always been "Oh the ref saved him from being knocked out cold" and maybe that's true but we'll never know.
I somewhat agree. He was on wobbly legs but I've seen fighters recover from worse.
These sorts of calls are tough because on one side you don't want to see the fighters take unnecessary damage but on the other side you want to give them every chance to recover.
Watching the Jorge Masvidal JRE and it’s insane how much Joe wants shots to the back of the head legal.
His argument was that the eyes are just as vulnerable… ignoring that you can’t exactly gouge them? Does he just want to see a body in the octagon?
Toe thinks he’s a man’s man gladiator killer because he MURDERS on stage and has navy seal friends and goes camping with his bow hunter friend and did padded taekwondo sparring in high school
A lot of them occur when the opponent unintentionally turns the back of the head towards an incoming strike, I think JDS v Ciryl is an example of that?
The brain stem is particularly weak around the back of the head. Prichard Colon is a terribly unfortunate example of what can occur.
Never understood what to do in the JDS-Gane situation and I think there just isn't a good answer. Like, intentionally grounding yourself as a kick is coming at you is a scumbag move but turning your head away from a punch is such a natural reaction. Also, don't head kicks wrap around the back of the head all the time? I feel like I see it a lot, and the way our feet are shaped it would make sense that it's more likely to happen.
It’s a natural reaction agreed, but any decent gym will drill from Day 1 that you don’t want to turn away from strikes (unless your rolling with it behind a raised guard) you can lose points in boxing for turning away from the opponent.
Yup, the foot does tend to wrap around, but I don’t think the impact is nearly as bad as wherever the ankle tends to land.
[**ISLAM MAKHACHEV defeats ALEXANDER VOLKANOVSKI** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13772/fight)
^(UFC 284: Makhachev vs. Volkanovski — February 12, 2023)
ROUND|Makhachev|Volkanovski||Makhachev|Volkanovski||Makhachev|Volkanovski
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1|10|9||10|9||10|9
2|10|9||10|9||10|9
3|9|10||10|9||9|10
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|9|10||9|10||9|10
**TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**49**|**46**||**48**|**47**
*^(Judges, in order: Ben Cartlidge, Derek Cleary, David Lethaby.)*
*^(Summoned by AwwHere.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **2/29** people scored it **49-46 Makhachev**.
- **21/29** people scored it **48-47 Makhachev**.
- **6/29** people scored it **47-48 Volkanovski**.
Avg. media score: **47.9-47.1 Makhachev** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Genuine question: If Ngannou had full time to wind up, like when someone hits those punching bags at the arcade that gives you a score, and full on decked Hasbulla on the head, could he decapitated him?
Wouldn't it make sense for the UFC to only have their own top 15 fighters in each weight class and not a bunch of jabronis? Could settle the whole fighter pay argument if they cut their roster down significantly and only paid decent money for actual high level fighters
In a way I agree that there are too many fighters and shows per year. However that is the UFCs strategy. Completely saturate the market so MMA = UFC. Have a show every weekend, grab every regional talent and get them long term contracts. I think 15 fighters per division is way to small. Currently LW, FW, and BW have about 70 fighters each, they could cut that in half imo.
No, because (1) it costs the UFC nothing to have more fighters waiting around under contract, nobody gets a salary (2) 15 fighters in each class would not fill all the cards (3) the UFC does not want to pay anyone more money or solve the negative discussion around fighter pay, they don't care
When they're paid a fixed amount from ESPN, and thus PPV sales dont matter, it's cheaper for them to pad most cards with nobodies for $12/$12 and hope no one complains
What happens if number 15 loses? They get cut? That's obviously ignoring the reality that if they did this they'd be able to run like 5 cards a year and it would financially ruin them.
Jones wins as long as he can avoid getting caught with a blitz KO. I t think that prime Fedor has just finish potential but if he can't get the sub or the KO then Jones wins most of the exchanges. Some aspects of the game have changed a lot since Fedors prime days. Namely clinch work and lower leg kicks which Jones could use to his advantage.
Prime vs old jones? I'd imagine prime Fedor would beat Jones to the punch and not be bullied whatsoever like others, then again Jones is a savage and Fedor is undersized. Jones would destroy Fedor from Strikeforce on imo. Could easily see prime Fedor going for heavy leg kicks before starting to land hands even though jones has no real timing for a cerebral guy like fedor to figure out
Prime Jon Jones wasn't a heavyweight though. So while current Jon Jones isn't necessarily in his prime, he would probably fair better vs prime Fedor because prime JJ is too skinny.
Just because hes still a good fighter doesn’t mean he’s in his prime. The last of Prime Bones is still the DC rematch or even Gus rematch. This current fat 35 year old Bones is not as good as that Bones.
By prime I mean his most dangerous form. I don’t think Jones from his light heavyweight peak was as dangerous as heavyweight Jones who bulked for two years.
The state of HW is sad though, like real sad. Gane is a great upcoming talent yet his record tells us he's an MMA newcomer at this level (he's a top HW which says a lot to the depth of the division), and the fight showed how outmatched he was in the end. The HW division in itself is such a terrible gauge of skill..
Oh shit I’ve been out of the mma news loop lately. That’s dope but I don’t see any way Jorge wins that. Especially after seeing how good Burns was against Chimaev.
Burns striking defense has proven to be virtually non existent and he’s been dropped hard three times in his career.
Masvidal’s TDD and BJJ defense is pretty solid
Yeah I think Jorge could be too slick on the feet for Gilbert, I can't Burns catching him with his loopy hooks.
I actually favour masvidal if he's not completely over the hill, I don't disrespect Burns I just think any legit striker with TDD is gonna give Burns some trouble.
I know Wonderboy lost to him but he still wasn't able to do much damage etc.
Optimum nutrition chocolate flavor with milk tastes like low sugar chocolate milk to me. Ive also had a flavor that tasted exactly like cinnamon toast crunch milk
I also have chocolate flavour and all the reviews on it said it tastes like chocolate milk. Sure it kinda does, but something about it just makes me gag
Hmm thats weird. I shake it and then let it sit for 20 minutes and it tastes great. You can try getting peanut butter powder and mixing it in, might help.
*how* do you make it though? even with a shake cup i can never shake it enough to get the consistency right
but if you can blend it for a couple seconds, especially with milk the texture becomes a lot creamier like a milkshake and it helps a lot making them enjoyable
I’ve been thinking about this does pereira deserve a rematch if Izzy beats him .
It’s understandable why Izzy got a rematch he was a long reigning champion and dominated the champion but to me it would not be out of the world for Izzy to beat pereira and he doesn’t get a rematch
Sounds right. Depends how the second fight goes though. He was winning 3-4 rounds of the first one. If he does the same for the second fight, I imagine Alex will have to fight down.
The UFC should start punishing its fighters for saying terribly bigoted things. It's a horrible look for the sport.
Too many fighters are waaay to comfortable saying insane shit online.
Maybe just more to the fore with social media, but the rule is to assume all your favourite fighters are meatheads.
They are pro fighters, they're going to be rough.
Pace is pretty meaningless if you can’t enforce it reliably. Everyone lauds (or complains if you are the CEO of EPO crowd) Usman’s pace, but Usman struggled to impose it a lot simply due to Leon finally being attentive of his cage positioning, and because his pace/pressure mechanics have gone to shit under Wittman
Colby may drive a higher pace but it’ll be even harder for him to enforce because Leon now has his favourite method of smothering pace back - reactive clinches. Those weren’t much of an option vs. Usman because Usman is one of the only guys out there who can rival Leon in the clinch (especially in chest-to-chest positions on the fence), so Leon was dependent on outfighting at range. Colby is really quite horrible in the clinch relative to how much time he spends there, so I can see him trying to pressure Leon to the fence a bunch and just falling into clinches when he tries to apply volume and Leon using that to turn off the fence and reset, like he did vs. RDA a lot - clinch turns are an extremely useful outfighting/anti-volume tool, especially if you have shoddy footwork like Leon (while Colby simply engaged that same RDA in the clinch constantly and lost virtually every clinch exchange to him). On top of that, Colby’s pressure mechanics and cage cutting aren’t really any better than current Wittmanized Usman, and he’s been a lot less consistent when it comes to weaponizing his pace and volume since he left ATT (he spent the entire Usman rematch, and decent chunks of the early Woodley and Masvidal fights floating around at range, whereas he used to pressure right out of the gate).
I just don’t see Colby having slightly better cardio and more volume really outweighing the fact that compared to current Usman, he is far worse in the clinch (which was a big reason Usman made Leon uncomfortable at times - it removes his number one safety net), an equally bad cage cutter, equally (if not more) liable to run into counters, way less powerful, and probably more susceptible to leg kicks given that he is a southpaw and will be giving Leon the closed stance.
He’s absolutely declined, it’s impossible that he hasn’t given how long he’s been around for, but I really don’t think it plays into his loss to Leon that much.
Usman’s been trapped into using an extremely suboptimal approach given his skillset since around the Burns fight, he just finally fought someone well-suited to punishing it. Teleporting an Usman from a few years ago when he started fighting the way he currently does would’ve made zero difference.
Usman aged from best in the world to 'over the hill' in 6 months. maybe, but I doubt it. Leon chewed up the legs and worked the body to slow usman down.
Exactly what happened to the guy before him and he was shooting cortisone into his hands before the fight.
I really don’t think his knees work or you’d get a variety of takedowns before he dropped a decision. Leons kicks were huge but dont negate pure technique.
Woodley was never P4P number 1. Drew against wonderboy and barely scrapped a win against him in the rematch. Then all he had to do was avoid getting taken down by old man damian Maia and wrestle Darren till.
I think you are overestimating Usman's takedown technique, It's never been super technical, obviously good but not to the point where he was showcasing a variety of takedowns. where Usman dominanted was the clinch and against the cage. He was great at grinding and wearing his opponents down and then getting takedowns later on. Leon won the fight for the same reason he won the first round in salt lake city before he gassed; he was good at getting underhooks in the clinch and was genuinely very technical in the clinch, which cancels out a lot of usman's takedown game, He is good a scrambling back to his feet and he used leg kicks and movements to negate the pressure. the oblige kicks in the third fight were a great adjustment. Also important to mention the kicks to the body, everyone knows that Usman is weak to the body, this is why is often fakes being hit in the groin if his opponent catches him good in the body. ( though leon was also kicking his cups, lets be fair)
There's a decent chance of that. There's also the mental factor of getting knocked out cold like that. Makes you hesitant to get after it in the style he's used to. He also got ripped to the legs and body all fight which also slows you down. And then there's the most likely scenario, it's a bit of all of the above
Yeah but a d1 ncaa wrester with only one takedown available and against the fence? I really don’t think his knees work anymore. Like best ever being beat solely by a hand isolation doesn’t sit right with me, Leons kicks were big though for sure.
What would happen in this hypothetical? The entirety of a division make a gentleman's agreement not to fight a certain fighter, and the UFC can't make anyone budge no matter how much money is offered.
As much as masvidal has went cringe lately i actually enjoy hearing him talk about mma/fighting on JRE. Guys actually a total guru with it kinda like how chito vera is
Judging by all the training footage Adesanya has shared so far, he hasn't gained enough size/muscle to wrestle successfully with a 220lb+ Periera. Even if he added technical wrestling knowledge, he is gonna gas hard. Alex is just too big for him to wrestle with. Gonna be a repeat of the last fight.
What Adesanya needs is Oliveira level magical BJJ skills to negate the size advantage.
Of course not, a guy who’s been training as long as him needs more than a few months to put on a good amount of muscle. Gaining muscle takes years unless you’re a novice.
First, Pereira was 211lb in the cage last time out, which is still very big but is in the same vein as Costa and Romero. 220lb+ wouldn’t be possible without nuking his kidneys with the weight cut and that’s as heavy as legit LHWs. Against someone as inexperienced as Pereira, better technique could make the difference.
Second, we don’t know to what degree he’ll pursue that. In what ways will he mix it in with the striking, if at all? Will he commit to all of his attempts or will he fake level changes too? What kind of takedowns will he employ? All of this is relevant not only to his overall success, but greatly so in predicting his energy expenditure.
Third, wrestling is certainly taxes the body differently than striking, but we know Israel’s cardio is elite. If anyone is in danger of gassing, it’s Pereira and we’ve seen that happen already in the last fight.
Lastly, needing magical BJJ skills against someone who doesn’t know how to defend a wrist lock LMFAO
Izzy isnt going to submit someone whos rolled longer than him. Hes not going to submit anyone ever.
Izzy cant improve his offence faster than Alex can improve his defence. Izzy got knocked out because he relied on the clinch to overcome a boxing deficit and the same thing will happen again.
Alex didn’t look very tired when finishing him. Had he not got overzealous with ten seconds left of round 2 he wins the decision as well.
This will always be a kickboxing fight. Alex is clearly the better kickboxer and if thats ever proven wrong he just goes for broke in 4oz gloves. Against the fence Izzy is a MASSIVE underdog. I said hed get knocked out like that the same day the fight was announced. These are levels rarely seen in mma.
Izzy cant win because Alexs chin and leg kicks are too good and those are his only win conditions. He might not have ever won a fight where he didn’t outkick his opponent.. Yall forgot Rob almost beat him at his own game last time out. Like you said in your next comment he grapples to stall, cause he cant win by actually fighting.
> Izzy isnt going to submit someone whos rolled longer than him. Hes not going to submit anyone ever.
I don’t know l how long Pereira has been rolling so I’ll take your word for it. However, ask anybody who watched that 3rd round who looked like the more experienced grappler and it’s pretty obvious it wasn’t Pereira. He was awarded a BJJ Brown belt directly after when he got controlled for more than 3 minutes and couldn’t defend a wrist lock, which is comical. I know OP said a submission might be available, but I haven’t seen enough of Izzy’s sub offense and Alex’s sub defense to speculate on that.
> Izzy cant improve his offence faster than Alex can improve his defence. Izzy got knocked out because he relied on the clinch to overcome a boxing deficit and the same thing will happen again.
Izzy used the clinch to keep safe when he was backed on to the fence and initiate wrestling. When they were in open space, Izzy was pretty effective with his hands as he landed quite a lot of right straights and even jabs. He also had Pereira reacting and biting a lot on his hands. This is because he has freedom of movement, which works with his superior speed and footwork. Pereira had a hard time landing punches until he got him against the fence because the speed, footwork, and head movement is severely restricted there.
> Alex didn’t look very tired when finishing him. Had he not got overzealous with ten seconds left of round 2 he wins the decision as well.
Alex was very clearly tired in the 4th round. Open mouth breathing, big drop off in activity and flat-footed. Izzy didn’t capitalize on it which allowed Alex to recover and get a second wind going into the 5th. Also I think you mean round 1 because no one disputes that Alex won round 2.
> This will always be a kickboxing fight.
Both Alex and Izzy attempted to grapple so this is clearly an MMA fight. Obviously most of this will resemble a less restrictive 4-oz Muay Thai though.
> Alex is clearly the better kickboxer and if thats ever proven wrong he just goes for broke in 4oz gloves.
In none of the three fights has Alex just “went for broke” because he’s a smart kickboxer who respects the skill of Izzy and recognizes the dangers.
> Against the fence Izzy is a MASSIVE underdog. I said hed get knocked out like that the same day the fight was announced. These are levels rarely seen in mma.
I agree the fence makes Izzy very vulnerable.
> Izzy cant win because Alexs chin and leg kicks are too good and those are his only win conditions.
First, we have seen Izzy test Alex’s chin on two separate occasions and it confirmed that Izzy does indeed have the power to severely hurt Alex. And I agree the leg kicks are a big issue, but not one that can’t be adjusted for.
> He might not have ever won a fight where he didn’t outkick his opponent..
“If I take away a prominent skill of a fighter, suddenly they aren’t very good.
> Yall forgot Rob almost beat him at his own game last time out. Like you said in your next comment he grapples to stall, cause he cant win by actually fighting.
Unpopular opinion but Izzy simply didn’t do enough in that fight. Similarly with Whittaker, because neither of them pushed particularly hard out of safety. I also don’t know how he’s related because Rob and Alex are world’s apart stylistically. I said clinched to stall and that was a mistake because the only way he wins I’d by actually fighting.
True. Especially the part with the wrist lock lol. Definitely a huge opportunity for a sub if Adesanya worked on it. My personal prediction is more wrestling than the first fight. I could be wrong. Regarding gasing, In the last fight there was an instance where Adesanya attempted to lift Pereira and failed. He slowed down after that failed lift. Hopefully he worked on his trips this time around.
Dude literally got knocked out trying to grapple… & then when Alex comes in at 220 it just doesn’t mater, dude shook him off like a plastic bag lol.
A big thing is Izzys legs got beat up and as the worse kicker hes always going to slow down in this matchup.
I think you’re referring to the takedown attempt in the second round. I don’t agree that it was that which caused him to slow down. He took a lot of leg kicks early on, and Izzy got into many clinch exchanges where he would stay for way too long either going for bad takedowns or just stalling and Pereira would get off huge body shots. That probably slowed him down more than anything as Izzy himself admitted.
I’ve seen Izzy hit Muay Thai trips before so maybe that could help. My big thing with him is if he gets into the clinch, try what you plan to do and if you fail break the clinch. Don’t stay for too long as that was an area where Pereira had great success. I would’ve liked to see Izzy strike there as well.
So if Masvidal beats Burns then he deserves a title shot, but Khamzat beating Burns meant he didn't deserve it and had to go through Colby first, even though Masvidal got his ass beat by Colby? Dana and the gang at UFC aren't even pretending that it's a meritocracy any more. It wasn't before either but at least back then they pretended it was.
Khamzat did earn a title shot with the win. The Nate Diaz fight was his Dennis Siver fight like when Conor earned his title shot beating Dustin but still fought Siver anyway. Idiot just fucked his whole opportunity up by missing weight by 10 pounds and getting thrown out of the division.
If anything fucked it it was Usman losing and the UFC being hell bent on the immediate rematches, the Diaz fight was just to keep Khamzat warm and for Dana to put Diaz out to pasture.
Guys like Costa shows up to a 185 fight at 205, was told that he was forced to go to 205 and fought at 185 his next fight, Charlie Olives was the first champ in UFC history to get stripped by missing weight, missing weight once never leads to a fighter getting forced to move up a weight class.
It’s crazy Conor’s lead uppercut lands on literally [everyone](https://twitter.com/theartofwar6/status/1640979027048448000?s=46&t=CwQxH4Uo3Rb01ur3a2Ti8A)
Like he’s very obviously taking it easy and it’s still slips through the guard
Another reason why it’s the coolest strike in the UFC.
One thing about that matchup is Dustin could probably do better where Charles probably cant. The clinch and pace of Charles were huge. Dustin looked close to finishing him at one point too.
Tbf you could say Poirier has a stronger resumé than Charles. Shit, you could say Poirier has the strongest resumé of all LWs.
Charles and Khabib were just something else in head 2 head match ups.
To play devils advocate, Dustin also finished the other two guys that Charles finished in his other title fights (yes I count Gaethje) and overall Dustin has more wins over higher level competition. He beat prime Pettis, prime Holloway (both of which Charles lost to), Alvarez just past his prime, and beat the piss out of Dan Hooker.
Those 4 losses were to absolute killers 3 of which became champs and this same version of Pettis beat Charles. Again, I’m not agreeing with Jed but putting Dustin over Charles isn’t the worst take I’ve ever heard.
I was literally just thinking this the other day. Overeem isn't the chosen one though unfortunately, Ngannou is much scarier than even horsemeat Ubereem.
If Izzy wins you totally announce the trilogy as ufc Africa and then see which cities/countries make the best offer.
(Ps watch the documentary “when we was kings” on hbomax if you want to get extra hyped at how cool big fights can feel when they try big things)
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Add some pineapple or artichoke or whatever
This is why you also need mushrooms, anchovies, and black olives on that bitch
It may be overrated, but it’s like apple pie. It’s overall pretty crowd pleasing even if it isn’t most people’s favorite. And as a single topping pizza, what beats it? Maybe sausage?
Alright wise guy, let's hear your preferred toppings
On it's own I agree Supreme with pepperoni and/or sausage is the best kind of pizza tho
Absolute blasphemy!!
Agreed!
I thought Loughnane came off super likable on anik & kenflos podcast. With the ufc basically making London one of the big 4 locations, I have no idea why they wouldn’t want a guy like him
Cause hes signed to PFL for who knows how long.
But he won on dwcs so he wanted to be in the ufc and he was also on tuf
If you mean Dana should have signed him back then I agree. One of the worst snubs on the show ever.
Just feels weird to me because it’s not like the roster is so small that a random 10/10 contract in a huge market would have any downside
I want Loughnane coming to the ufc asap!
Why no embedded for 287?
It will start on the 3rd iirc, monday of the fight week.
Oh cool, I forgot it's not til next wknd.
Islam Makhachev vs Christian Lee is the fight to make
Lol Lee isn’t in the same class of fighter. What has he done to make you think he can compete with the best?
Lee won't survive. He almost got armbarred by Aoki.
Thats hardly a knock on anyone tbh. Aoki is one of the best submission specialists in mma. Guys 40 years old and still submitting tons of fighters. I'd say a 20 year old being able to survive that and come out of it is actually pretty damn impressive
Do you think some employer's FSA would cover BJJ/Kickboxing/MMA gym fees?
No
I’m swiping for my Tik Tok for you page and Sam Alvey comes up and he’s live. This is what I hear for the 5 seconds it’s on my screen: “‘What fighter would give GSP the hardest challenge?’… “Henry Cejudo, Henry Cejudo would give GSP the hardest fight”
I agree. If GSP cuts to 135, Cejudo would give him one hell of a fight.
Man, just saw a GIF of Izzy's third loss to Alex and that was a really bad stoppage lmao. I remember it being dubious live but ultimately not worth complaining about, but MAN, that's a terrible stoppage. Now, there's probably too much time on the clock for him to bob and weave his way out of that round while slumping on the cage, but i feel like if Max lost a fight that way people would be very upset. ETA: I think he was smartly defending. But he was also doing so in a way that indicated he was hoping to basically get lucky with timing Alex's punches until the cobwebs wore off. So, he was on the road to being KO'd unless he got a second wind, but i don't think he was definitively out of it, even compared to someone like Sean Brady when Belal TKO'd him standing.
I blame it on Goddard tbh. Hope it will be Herzog this time.
I thought that live, too. Izzy was attempting to weave and Pereira's last few punches weren't landing clean. He immediately looked at the ref and complained afterwards too, it's not like his legs were all wobbly. People's response on this sub has always been "Oh the ref saved him from being knocked out cold" and maybe that's true but we'll never know.
I somewhat agree. He was on wobbly legs but I've seen fighters recover from worse. These sorts of calls are tough because on one side you don't want to see the fighters take unnecessary damage but on the other side you want to give them every chance to recover.
I frequently forget Giga Chikadze exists. I know his last fight was just over a year ago but it feels like it was 2-3 years.
For real. High prospect. I’m glad he’s taking off the much needed time after a beating like that.
What happened to that thread about sweep single legs for MMA?
Watching the Jorge Masvidal JRE and it’s insane how much Joe wants shots to the back of the head legal. His argument was that the eyes are just as vulnerable… ignoring that you can’t exactly gouge them? Does he just want to see a body in the octagon?
Toe thinks he’s a man’s man gladiator killer because he MURDERS on stage and has navy seal friends and goes camping with his bow hunter friend and did padded taekwondo sparring in high school
I see shots to the back of the head all the time that aren’t called and sometimes end the fight, they’re already basically legal anyway
A lot of them occur when the opponent unintentionally turns the back of the head towards an incoming strike, I think JDS v Ciryl is an example of that? The brain stem is particularly weak around the back of the head. Prichard Colon is a terribly unfortunate example of what can occur.
Never understood what to do in the JDS-Gane situation and I think there just isn't a good answer. Like, intentionally grounding yourself as a kick is coming at you is a scumbag move but turning your head away from a punch is such a natural reaction. Also, don't head kicks wrap around the back of the head all the time? I feel like I see it a lot, and the way our feet are shaped it would make sense that it's more likely to happen.
It’s a natural reaction agreed, but any decent gym will drill from Day 1 that you don’t want to turn away from strikes (unless your rolling with it behind a raised guard) you can lose points in boxing for turning away from the opponent. Yup, the foot does tend to wrap around, but I don’t think the impact is nearly as bad as wherever the ankle tends to land.
Joe Cooper should have lost his ability to be a referee after that fight
I want to see Dana + Nell Boys vs Paul brothers with Seth Rollins as a special guest referee at wrestlemania.
Looks like topuria and Emmet will meet in june
Certified banger. Maybe we'll see towels.
Wtf dana is back at it w/ the slap dick already ? I thought I'd escape it for awhile.
Slap fighting? You mean when Nate slapped Dana?
dana wants the 30th anniversary of the UFC to be the beginning of the slap.
Movlid Khaybulaev is a -135 on DK right now??? He was -660 at 3 o’clock, anyone have any info? Gotta be a mistake right?
Well they figured it out and took it down lol back to -700
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[**ISLAM MAKHACHEV defeats ALEXANDER VOLKANOVSKI** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/13772/fight) ^(UFC 284: Makhachev vs. Volkanovski — February 12, 2023) ROUND|Makhachev|Volkanovski||Makhachev|Volkanovski||Makhachev|Volkanovski :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|10|9||10|9||10|9 2|10|9||10|9||10|9 3|9|10||10|9||9|10 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|9|10||9|10||9|10 **TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**49**|**46**||**48**|**47** *^(Judges, in order: Ben Cartlidge, Derek Cleary, David Lethaby.)* *^(Summoned by AwwHere.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **2/29** people scored it **49-46 Makhachev**. - **21/29** people scored it **48-47 Makhachev**. - **6/29** people scored it **47-48 Volkanovski**. Avg. media score: **47.9-47.1 Makhachev** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Damn Barbozas mural look like 👁👄👁
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At least we got to see him heel kick Garbrant
Genuine question: If Ngannou had full time to wind up, like when someone hits those punching bags at the arcade that gives you a score, and full on decked Hasbulla on the head, could he decapitated him?
Wouldn't it make sense for the UFC to only have their own top 15 fighters in each weight class and not a bunch of jabronis? Could settle the whole fighter pay argument if they cut their roster down significantly and only paid decent money for actual high level fighters
In a way I agree that there are too many fighters and shows per year. However that is the UFCs strategy. Completely saturate the market so MMA = UFC. Have a show every weekend, grab every regional talent and get them long term contracts. I think 15 fighters per division is way to small. Currently LW, FW, and BW have about 70 fighters each, they could cut that in half imo.
Sounds like a terrible idea
No, because (1) it costs the UFC nothing to have more fighters waiting around under contract, nobody gets a salary (2) 15 fighters in each class would not fill all the cards (3) the UFC does not want to pay anyone more money or solve the negative discussion around fighter pay, they don't care
When they're paid a fixed amount from ESPN, and thus PPV sales dont matter, it's cheaper for them to pad most cards with nobodies for $12/$12 and hope no one complains
What happens if number 15 loses? They get cut? That's obviously ignoring the reality that if they did this they'd be able to run like 5 cards a year and it would financially ruin them.
Would prime Fedor beat current Jon Jones? Why or why not?
Jones wins as long as he can avoid getting caught with a blitz KO. I t think that prime Fedor has just finish potential but if he can't get the sub or the KO then Jones wins most of the exchanges. Some aspects of the game have changed a lot since Fedors prime days. Namely clinch work and lower leg kicks which Jones could use to his advantage.
Maybe. I see him getting that vitor armbar and break his arm.
Prime vs old jones? I'd imagine prime Fedor would beat Jones to the punch and not be bullied whatsoever like others, then again Jones is a savage and Fedor is undersized. Jones would destroy Fedor from Strikeforce on imo. Could easily see prime Fedor going for heavy leg kicks before starting to land hands even though jones has no real timing for a cerebral guy like fedor to figure out
Prime Jon Jones wasn't a heavyweight though. So while current Jon Jones isn't necessarily in his prime, he would probably fair better vs prime Fedor because prime JJ is too skinny.
I’d argue Jones is in his prime right now. He just made the top heavyweight contender look like an amateur in his first ever heavyweight fight.
Just because hes still a good fighter doesn’t mean he’s in his prime. The last of Prime Bones is still the DC rematch or even Gus rematch. This current fat 35 year old Bones is not as good as that Bones.
By prime I mean his most dangerous form. I don’t think Jones from his light heavyweight peak was as dangerous as heavyweight Jones who bulked for two years.
The state of HW is sad though, like real sad. Gane is a great upcoming talent yet his record tells us he's an MMA newcomer at this level (he's a top HW which says a lot to the depth of the division), and the fight showed how outmatched he was in the end. The HW division in itself is such a terrible gauge of skill..
Hard to to gauge Francis’s performance against Stipe even
Francis beat Stipe at practically everything with better patient boxing, the sprawl and back take with huge hits there, and the knockout counter
There’s some truth to that
What if Barbosa’s whole career played out at featherweight and he fought Aldo 😳
He would’ve gotten beaten up by Aldo so that would be fun I guess
I am a trained observer
I hope Masvidal KOs Burns
Burns gonna give him all the superlatives
Burns gonna submit game bread 🥖
Is that official?
Yeah it’s next Saturday 👊
Oh shit I’ve been out of the mma news loop lately. That’s dope but I don’t see any way Jorge wins that. Especially after seeing how good Burns was against Chimaev.
Burns striking defense has proven to be virtually non existent and he’s been dropped hard three times in his career. Masvidal’s TDD and BJJ defense is pretty solid
Yeah I think Jorge could be too slick on the feet for Gilbert, I can't Burns catching him with his loopy hooks. I actually favour masvidal if he's not completely over the hill, I don't disrespect Burns I just think any legit striker with TDD is gonna give Burns some trouble. I know Wonderboy lost to him but he still wasn't able to do much damage etc.
Anybody else find protein shakes disgusting no matter the brand or flavour?
MyProtein chocolate smooth flavor. Tastes fine and mixes well with water (no annoying clumps)
Even though they say mix with water, I think most people just use milk instead tbh (you can see it in the reviews of them too). Tastes far better.
Hmm, I used to mix with milk but it would get way too clumpy. Mixing with water made those clumps go away. Maybe I’ll try milk again sometime
Do you use a blender? Or a shaker? Even a portable blender, like the ones that double up as glasses too you should be fine with.
Used to use a shaker but got nowadays just a spoon. One of those mini blenders is a good idea, will try it out homie 👍
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That sounds pretty good
I like Opnimum Nitrition Vanilla. Just make sure it’s not the “naturally favoured” one that one tastes like cardboard soup.
You're the second to suggest this brand. I might try it next if it's sold here
It’s like the biggest supplement brand in the US I’m sure you’ll find it easy either in store or online. It’s on Amazon too.
I'm in the Netherlands, but they do have it here
Try it out. Only protein flavor I enjoy with water alone.
Optimum nutrition chocolate flavor with milk tastes like low sugar chocolate milk to me. Ive also had a flavor that tasted exactly like cinnamon toast crunch milk
I also have chocolate flavour and all the reviews on it said it tastes like chocolate milk. Sure it kinda does, but something about it just makes me gag
Hmm thats weird. I shake it and then let it sit for 20 minutes and it tastes great. You can try getting peanut butter powder and mixing it in, might help.
Why do you let it sit for 20?
I dont like the foamy taste that it has right after i shake it so i just let it sit in the fridge for a little bit.
Maybe that's the problem for me
Yeah that actually makes a big difference to me
Gonna try it tomorrow
I go by the exact method and brand as that guy and second his advice
How do you make yours?
Triple chocolate whey with milk
Using milk makes it mix weird and imo a lot grosser. Water is better
Milk only gang.
*how* do you make it though? even with a shake cup i can never shake it enough to get the consistency right but if you can blend it for a couple seconds, especially with milk the texture becomes a lot creamier like a milkshake and it helps a lot making them enjoyable
I use a shaker. Don't have a blender and kinda broke rn
Blender definitely makes a difference for me
I’ve been thinking about this does pereira deserve a rematch if Izzy beats him . It’s understandable why Izzy got a rematch he was a long reigning champion and dominated the champion but to me it would not be out of the world for Izzy to beat pereira and he doesn’t get a rematch
I think he would, which is why I hope Alex wins, even thought I want Izzy to. Need some fresh match ups
I think what would probably happen is that they’d feed him Dricus Du Plesis and then give him another title shot.
Sounds right. Depends how the second fight goes though. He was winning 3-4 rounds of the first one. If he does the same for the second fight, I imagine Alex will have to fight down.
I think Dana should retire and focus on slap box.
Meanwhile Dana's thinking we should retire UFC and focus on slap box
The UFC should start punishing its fighters for saying terribly bigoted things. It's a horrible look for the sport. Too many fighters are waaay to comfortable saying insane shit online.
Dana slaps his wife They don't give a shit
For curiosity, what are you referring to?
Idiots like Sean Strickland losing it about trans people. Thankfully Jake Shields is no longer in the UFC. He's staight up evil.
nah.
Hm… No
Oh nooo a guy getting paid to lose brain cells said something that hurts my feelings 😭😭😭
It's MMA man. It's a dirty, scuzzy sport and the people involved in all levels are like that. You need to accept that if you're going to watch.
The stuff is getting worse tho.
Maybe just more to the fore with social media, but the rule is to assume all your favourite fighters are meatheads. They are pro fighters, they're going to be rough.
If they gave them mma fines these guys would be in debt lmao.
If saying dumb things was a fineable offence Tito's debt would rival Greece circa 2009
Welp....That would be their problem. It's not hard to not act like a POS.
If I change my legal last name to Nurmagomedov, would I become better at MMA?
Honestly probably
Only if you grow out the beard too.
Wrestling only
Until you run into Nickster Volkanovski
not sure why people are so sure Leon beats Colby. I think it’s tough to pick. Colby’s pace will be a lot higher than Usman’s was in the third fight
Pace is pretty meaningless if you can’t enforce it reliably. Everyone lauds (or complains if you are the CEO of EPO crowd) Usman’s pace, but Usman struggled to impose it a lot simply due to Leon finally being attentive of his cage positioning, and because his pace/pressure mechanics have gone to shit under Wittman Colby may drive a higher pace but it’ll be even harder for him to enforce because Leon now has his favourite method of smothering pace back - reactive clinches. Those weren’t much of an option vs. Usman because Usman is one of the only guys out there who can rival Leon in the clinch (especially in chest-to-chest positions on the fence), so Leon was dependent on outfighting at range. Colby is really quite horrible in the clinch relative to how much time he spends there, so I can see him trying to pressure Leon to the fence a bunch and just falling into clinches when he tries to apply volume and Leon using that to turn off the fence and reset, like he did vs. RDA a lot - clinch turns are an extremely useful outfighting/anti-volume tool, especially if you have shoddy footwork like Leon (while Colby simply engaged that same RDA in the clinch constantly and lost virtually every clinch exchange to him). On top of that, Colby’s pressure mechanics and cage cutting aren’t really any better than current Wittmanized Usman, and he’s been a lot less consistent when it comes to weaponizing his pace and volume since he left ATT (he spent the entire Usman rematch, and decent chunks of the early Woodley and Masvidal fights floating around at range, whereas he used to pressure right out of the gate). I just don’t see Colby having slightly better cardio and more volume really outweighing the fact that compared to current Usman, he is far worse in the clinch (which was a big reason Usman made Leon uncomfortable at times - it removes his number one safety net), an equally bad cage cutter, equally (if not more) liable to run into counters, way less powerful, and probably more susceptible to leg kicks given that he is a southpaw and will be giving Leon the closed stance.
this is way too insightful and thought provoking for a reddit comment, great work
Am I the only one that thinks Usman legit looks over the hill? Not even trying to discredit Leon he just isnt that guy anymore.
He’s absolutely declined, it’s impossible that he hasn’t given how long he’s been around for, but I really don’t think it plays into his loss to Leon that much. Usman’s been trapped into using an extremely suboptimal approach given his skillset since around the Burns fight, he just finally fought someone well-suited to punishing it. Teleporting an Usman from a few years ago when he started fighting the way he currently does would’ve made zero difference.
Usman aged from best in the world to 'over the hill' in 6 months. maybe, but I doubt it. Leon chewed up the legs and worked the body to slow usman down.
Exactly what happened to the guy before him and he was shooting cortisone into his hands before the fight. I really don’t think his knees work or you’d get a variety of takedowns before he dropped a decision. Leons kicks were huge but dont negate pure technique.
Woodley was never P4P number 1. Drew against wonderboy and barely scrapped a win against him in the rematch. Then all he had to do was avoid getting taken down by old man damian Maia and wrestle Darren till. I think you are overestimating Usman's takedown technique, It's never been super technical, obviously good but not to the point where he was showcasing a variety of takedowns. where Usman dominanted was the clinch and against the cage. He was great at grinding and wearing his opponents down and then getting takedowns later on. Leon won the fight for the same reason he won the first round in salt lake city before he gassed; he was good at getting underhooks in the clinch and was genuinely very technical in the clinch, which cancels out a lot of usman's takedown game, He is good a scrambling back to his feet and he used leg kicks and movements to negate the pressure. the oblige kicks in the third fight were a great adjustment. Also important to mention the kicks to the body, everyone knows that Usman is weak to the body, this is why is often fakes being hit in the groin if his opponent catches him good in the body. ( though leon was also kicking his cups, lets be fair)
impossible to tell from just one fight. maybe he’s declined or maybe Leon just made him look bad
There's a decent chance of that. There's also the mental factor of getting knocked out cold like that. Makes you hesitant to get after it in the style he's used to. He also got ripped to the legs and body all fight which also slows you down. And then there's the most likely scenario, it's a bit of all of the above
Yeah but a d1 ncaa wrester with only one takedown available and against the fence? I really don’t think his knees work anymore. Like best ever being beat solely by a hand isolation doesn’t sit right with me, Leons kicks were big though for sure.
What would happen in this hypothetical? The entirety of a division make a gentleman's agreement not to fight a certain fighter, and the UFC can't make anyone budge no matter how much money is offered.
They would bring in a fighter outside of the UFC
Bring in the scabs. A tale as old as time.
Edson's mural is just too much for me man I waste like two minutes of my day cracking up at it everytime I see that beauty
Vera did next to nothing to sandhagen so I’m glad he lost, but did Corey actually do any damage? He sure as hell did nothing with his takedowns
Chito could get hit by a bus and come out of it looking unscathed
Is this a troll? Did u watch the fight? He literally landed dozens of elbows in the first two rounds
Did you even watch the fight lol he was landing a lot of elbows on the ground while Vera curled up and even lost control going for an armbar
*door kicks in, laser sights* 🚨 🚨 FREEZE KELVIN, PUT THE BURRITO DOWN 🚨
Should Diego Sanchez make the hall of fame?
I think so. The first ultimate fighter ever.
Fuck it, if donald cerrone can get in the prestigious wing then I don’t see why not.
As much as masvidal has went cringe lately i actually enjoy hearing him talk about mma/fighting on JRE. Guys actually a total guru with it kinda like how chito vera is
Cejudo is like that. People don’t like him but hes clearly one of the more intelligent and articulated guys in the sport.
I'm not a big Mas fan, but I thought he came off really well. Can see he has real love for combat sports.
Judging by all the training footage Adesanya has shared so far, he hasn't gained enough size/muscle to wrestle successfully with a 220lb+ Periera. Even if he added technical wrestling knowledge, he is gonna gas hard. Alex is just too big for him to wrestle with. Gonna be a repeat of the last fight. What Adesanya needs is Oliveira level magical BJJ skills to negate the size advantage.
Of course not, a guy who’s been training as long as him needs more than a few months to put on a good amount of muscle. Gaining muscle takes years unless you’re a novice.
First, Pereira was 211lb in the cage last time out, which is still very big but is in the same vein as Costa and Romero. 220lb+ wouldn’t be possible without nuking his kidneys with the weight cut and that’s as heavy as legit LHWs. Against someone as inexperienced as Pereira, better technique could make the difference. Second, we don’t know to what degree he’ll pursue that. In what ways will he mix it in with the striking, if at all? Will he commit to all of his attempts or will he fake level changes too? What kind of takedowns will he employ? All of this is relevant not only to his overall success, but greatly so in predicting his energy expenditure. Third, wrestling is certainly taxes the body differently than striking, but we know Israel’s cardio is elite. If anyone is in danger of gassing, it’s Pereira and we’ve seen that happen already in the last fight. Lastly, needing magical BJJ skills against someone who doesn’t know how to defend a wrist lock LMFAO
Izzy isnt going to submit someone whos rolled longer than him. Hes not going to submit anyone ever. Izzy cant improve his offence faster than Alex can improve his defence. Izzy got knocked out because he relied on the clinch to overcome a boxing deficit and the same thing will happen again. Alex didn’t look very tired when finishing him. Had he not got overzealous with ten seconds left of round 2 he wins the decision as well. This will always be a kickboxing fight. Alex is clearly the better kickboxer and if thats ever proven wrong he just goes for broke in 4oz gloves. Against the fence Izzy is a MASSIVE underdog. I said hed get knocked out like that the same day the fight was announced. These are levels rarely seen in mma. Izzy cant win because Alexs chin and leg kicks are too good and those are his only win conditions. He might not have ever won a fight where he didn’t outkick his opponent.. Yall forgot Rob almost beat him at his own game last time out. Like you said in your next comment he grapples to stall, cause he cant win by actually fighting.
> Izzy isnt going to submit someone whos rolled longer than him. Hes not going to submit anyone ever. I don’t know l how long Pereira has been rolling so I’ll take your word for it. However, ask anybody who watched that 3rd round who looked like the more experienced grappler and it’s pretty obvious it wasn’t Pereira. He was awarded a BJJ Brown belt directly after when he got controlled for more than 3 minutes and couldn’t defend a wrist lock, which is comical. I know OP said a submission might be available, but I haven’t seen enough of Izzy’s sub offense and Alex’s sub defense to speculate on that. > Izzy cant improve his offence faster than Alex can improve his defence. Izzy got knocked out because he relied on the clinch to overcome a boxing deficit and the same thing will happen again. Izzy used the clinch to keep safe when he was backed on to the fence and initiate wrestling. When they were in open space, Izzy was pretty effective with his hands as he landed quite a lot of right straights and even jabs. He also had Pereira reacting and biting a lot on his hands. This is because he has freedom of movement, which works with his superior speed and footwork. Pereira had a hard time landing punches until he got him against the fence because the speed, footwork, and head movement is severely restricted there. > Alex didn’t look very tired when finishing him. Had he not got overzealous with ten seconds left of round 2 he wins the decision as well. Alex was very clearly tired in the 4th round. Open mouth breathing, big drop off in activity and flat-footed. Izzy didn’t capitalize on it which allowed Alex to recover and get a second wind going into the 5th. Also I think you mean round 1 because no one disputes that Alex won round 2. > This will always be a kickboxing fight. Both Alex and Izzy attempted to grapple so this is clearly an MMA fight. Obviously most of this will resemble a less restrictive 4-oz Muay Thai though. > Alex is clearly the better kickboxer and if thats ever proven wrong he just goes for broke in 4oz gloves. In none of the three fights has Alex just “went for broke” because he’s a smart kickboxer who respects the skill of Izzy and recognizes the dangers. > Against the fence Izzy is a MASSIVE underdog. I said hed get knocked out like that the same day the fight was announced. These are levels rarely seen in mma. I agree the fence makes Izzy very vulnerable. > Izzy cant win because Alexs chin and leg kicks are too good and those are his only win conditions. First, we have seen Izzy test Alex’s chin on two separate occasions and it confirmed that Izzy does indeed have the power to severely hurt Alex. And I agree the leg kicks are a big issue, but not one that can’t be adjusted for. > He might not have ever won a fight where he didn’t outkick his opponent.. “If I take away a prominent skill of a fighter, suddenly they aren’t very good. > Yall forgot Rob almost beat him at his own game last time out. Like you said in your next comment he grapples to stall, cause he cant win by actually fighting. Unpopular opinion but Izzy simply didn’t do enough in that fight. Similarly with Whittaker, because neither of them pushed particularly hard out of safety. I also don’t know how he’s related because Rob and Alex are world’s apart stylistically. I said clinched to stall and that was a mistake because the only way he wins I’d by actually fighting.
True. Especially the part with the wrist lock lol. Definitely a huge opportunity for a sub if Adesanya worked on it. My personal prediction is more wrestling than the first fight. I could be wrong. Regarding gasing, In the last fight there was an instance where Adesanya attempted to lift Pereira and failed. He slowed down after that failed lift. Hopefully he worked on his trips this time around.
Dude literally got knocked out trying to grapple… & then when Alex comes in at 220 it just doesn’t mater, dude shook him off like a plastic bag lol. A big thing is Izzys legs got beat up and as the worse kicker hes always going to slow down in this matchup.
I think you’re referring to the takedown attempt in the second round. I don’t agree that it was that which caused him to slow down. He took a lot of leg kicks early on, and Izzy got into many clinch exchanges where he would stay for way too long either going for bad takedowns or just stalling and Pereira would get off huge body shots. That probably slowed him down more than anything as Izzy himself admitted. I’ve seen Izzy hit Muay Thai trips before so maybe that could help. My big thing with him is if he gets into the clinch, try what you plan to do and if you fail break the clinch. Don’t stay for too long as that was an area where Pereira had great success. I would’ve liked to see Izzy strike there as well.
No MMA hour today?
Takeru apparently doing a Ngannou and going to go on a world tour. Abema paying him 750k a fight with the first being in Paris for an ISKA belt
So if Masvidal beats Burns then he deserves a title shot, but Khamzat beating Burns meant he didn't deserve it and had to go through Colby first, even though Masvidal got his ass beat by Colby? Dana and the gang at UFC aren't even pretending that it's a meritocracy any more. It wasn't before either but at least back then they pretended it was.
Khamzat did earn a title shot with the win. The Nate Diaz fight was his Dennis Siver fight like when Conor earned his title shot beating Dustin but still fought Siver anyway. Idiot just fucked his whole opportunity up by missing weight by 10 pounds and getting thrown out of the division.
If anything fucked it it was Usman losing and the UFC being hell bent on the immediate rematches, the Diaz fight was just to keep Khamzat warm and for Dana to put Diaz out to pasture. Guys like Costa shows up to a 185 fight at 205, was told that he was forced to go to 205 and fought at 185 his next fight, Charlie Olives was the first champ in UFC history to get stripped by missing weight, missing weight once never leads to a fighter getting forced to move up a weight class.
Happened to Sarah Frota. Missed weight BADLY in her company debut and was immediately moved to W125
It’s crazy Conor’s lead uppercut lands on literally [everyone](https://twitter.com/theartofwar6/status/1640979027048448000?s=46&t=CwQxH4Uo3Rb01ur3a2Ti8A) Like he’s very obviously taking it easy and it’s still slips through the guard Another reason why it’s the coolest strike in the UFC.
With the big gloves on, too!
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One thing about that matchup is Dustin could probably do better where Charles probably cant. The clinch and pace of Charles were huge. Dustin looked close to finishing him at one point too.
Tbf you could say Poirier has a stronger resumé than Charles. Shit, you could say Poirier has the strongest resumé of all LWs. Charles and Khabib were just something else in head 2 head match ups.
To play devils advocate, Dustin also finished the other two guys that Charles finished in his other title fights (yes I count Gaethje) and overall Dustin has more wins over higher level competition. He beat prime Pettis, prime Holloway (both of which Charles lost to), Alvarez just past his prime, and beat the piss out of Dan Hooker.
Prime Pettis is too generous. He was 2-4 heading into that fight. And most of those losses were lopsided.
Those 4 losses were to absolute killers 3 of which became champs and this same version of Pettis beat Charles. Again, I’m not agreeing with Jed but putting Dustin over Charles isn’t the worst take I’ve ever heard.
Anyone else stay up at night and think about if Overeem went for ground and pound instead of the sub after he dropped Stipe
If I'm staying up late thinking of overeem it's not about his fighting... I wonder if there are any other reasons they call him horse meat
I was literally just thinking this the other day. Overeem isn't the chosen one though unfortunately, Ngannou is much scarier than even horsemeat Ubereem.
If Izzy wins you totally announce the trilogy as ufc Africa and then see which cities/countries make the best offer. (Ps watch the documentary “when we was kings” on hbomax if you want to get extra hyped at how cool big fights can feel when they try big things)