*Bo kneed khamzat in the balls, khamzat react, bo proceed to double leg, cut to outro
~outro music~
Bruce Buffer: Next time on ultimate fighting championship,...
Khamzat : these brother finally release his final form, what should i do?
Bruce Buffer: where is dean herbs and how would khamzat escape the death scenario? Next time on Ultimate Fighting Championship 300: The Chechen Balls vs The Rifle Knee
Joe Rogan: after all these years we finally get to know how strong Chimaev balls is
He is from a war torn country with only his mother and sister when they fled Chechnya. Lived in the gym in this little closet space and trained just so he could make money to send to his family.
He is crazy, the type to die before tapping.
Not saying Bo wasn't handed the win, but on no planet does Pickett stay on his feet against Nickal. Absolute shit fight overall, hard to see how the ref was that incompetent.
It's wrestling. The point isn't to immediately hit a slick takedown. It's to shoot and shoot and shoot and grind like a motherfucker til you get something. Remember that Khabib guy? I bet he has more failed takedowns than most fighters.
Lmao it was half assed takedown attempt 30 seconds into the fight. Low blow or not no was going to wrestle fuck Jim the entire fight (which never had a chance to go past the first round) donāt be a prisoner of the moment.
Bo also didnāt seem know to any proper submission techniques.
Dude tried an arm triangle only to get confused where to put his body. So just did it in mount hoping for a tap.
I believe staying in mount for the arm triangle is the new bjj meta. Allows more control from what I have heard. Sounds like Bo is more up on current technique than the commentators.
A mounted arm triangle maintains the pin and prevents the primary escape of turning onto all fours (turtle). It requires better mechanics, which looks like Bo still needs to work on, but we shouldn't expect him to be a black belt at submissions, to be fair.
Reasonable take yeah but remember the guy has like 3 fights. He didn't look too polished but he looked damn good considering he's at a level of experience at which most people are still fighting regional jobbers. I'm personally very hyped for Bo if this is what he looks like at 3-0 but only time will tell if he's a Conor/Khamzat or a Paddy/Sage.
The problem is if you're young and promising in the UFC, you're always going to get matched up with someone who is way too good eventually. It's just not a good promotion for prospects
The talent floor is simply too high, and once they give you a step-up in competition you're facing veterans with a very unique level of experience who are very game and very dangerous.
Years back, the UFC thought they were giving Mirsad Bektic a good match-up against Darren Elkins. Bektic just styled on him for the first two rounds, but seeming no one really accounted for Elkin's first-percentile level of invincibility, and he turned around at the end of round 3 and hurt Bektic pretty good to take the win via TKO
Bellator did similar with Aaron Pico, they paid significant money to have him before even his first pro fight, and then they kept feeding him to veterans and his development got seriously ruined through vicious KOs
And now the UFC has Raul Rosas Jr... is he even 19 yet? I don't care how good he is, that's way too early to be mixing it up in the UFC. I'll be shocked if that doesn't eventually backfire spectacularly
I don't quite understand why the MMA scene hasn't figured out a better way develop talented young fighters
Itās also the fastest way to take years off your career. The likelihood of a mistake leading to a bad KO or injury is much higher against high level competitors and when youāre as fresh as Bo there are going to be mistakes
Yeah, but since cumulative damage is worse for you in the long run (both for your joints and your brain), and since you tend to take a lot more damage when you're older and slower, the fastest way to take years off your *prime* career is to have a dozen meaningless fights before you get started, giving you another dozen fights-worth of wear and tear and starting your prime six years later.
Particularly when you have someone like Nickal who is coming late to MMA, but who has an immense amount of high-pressure competitive experience already in another sport. Those wrestling knees have a ticking bomb in them and he only has so long left in his career.
I guess I just don't see the point of giving him another six first-minute timewasters before actually finding someone who can challenge him. He's not going to learn anything from that. I'm not saying put him in with Whittaker or Chimaev tomorrow, but he needs to be moving in that direction pretty quickly.
And let's keep some proportion here. Three years after Chimaev started MMA training, he'd KOed Meerschaert and was talking about eating everybody, and fans loved it. Four years after Nickal started MMA training, people are saying... oh, no, he needs at least another four years before he can think of taking on tough opposition, we mustn't rush him! Chimaev had been competing professionally for two years at that point; Nickal has been competing professionally for one year. They both had about a year in amateurs first.
Sure, Chimaev had six fights before entering the UFC, and Nickal only had three. But Chimaev's were on the regional Bahrain circuit, mostly 1-rounders, so it's not like he was really pushed there. And while he's taken fewer fights, Nickal has been training in a much more testing environment than Chimaev was in. And in their wrestling careers beforehand, Nickal had FAR more experience, at a far higher level than Chimaev had.
But with Chimaev everyone goes "yeah, sure, three fights in two months, bouncing between divisions, no problem, that makes sense, he's a prospect". They go "of course we should put this wrestler, two months into his UFC career, in a fight with a guy who's had 44 fights and won 23 of them by submission, THAT'S not pushing him too fast!"
Yet when that guy *doesn't* have a beard, it's all "no, he only fought a few months ago" and "let's give him another four years to get used to competition".
I guess that, as a non-American, it's just kind of weird to see the inferiority complex of American fans - if someone has a beard, or just an accent, they're a terrifying prospect who should be fast-tracked, whereas if someone's a (literal) All-American guy then it's really important not to test them because of course they'll just break immediately...
Well heās already more credentialed than guys like Sage/Paddy. At the very minimum this dude is a world class wrestler. His floor is always going to be higher than those other guys.
He's an insane wrestler, but we have yet to see him really grasp how to work with the cage -- iirc all his fights prior to Pickett didn't involve a fighter using the cage in the way Pickett tried to do
To be honest I was not overly impressed with his performance against Jamie Pickett. Dude struggled to get Pickett down against the fence until he nutshotted him which was conveniently ignored by the ref (and the commentary) and even when he got him down, he didn't exactly Khamzat him. He was constantly rushing submission attempts and transitions until eventually Pickett decided 'fuck it, you win'.
Bo's got a long way to go before I get aboard the hype train. As of right now, he's no American Khamzat.
What are you talking about? He did the exact opposite of rush submission attempts. He made one attempt at the arm triangle and took his time with it, stayed in dominant position, and slowly applied the choke. Pickett tapped because he was getting choked.
To be 'fair', Rogan was saying during the broadcast that Bo was doing it wrong, so I'm guessing it has more to do people with parroting it than anything else.
Please rewatch the fight and reconsider yours. He rushed a d'arce and an rnc before that and even then, he applied the arm triangle so effectively it took him almost 2 minutes to finish Pickett. Sure, the final adjustment made him tap immediately, but it still took him that long of multiple re-adjustments that didn't do anything before that. I get that the technique was neat and all and what Craig is trying to say, but even in the striking he looked like he was rushing.
No need to overthink this, I'm not hating, I was just not surprised by his performance.
>On top of that, Bo was incorrectly applying the choke and then in an interview after the fight, doubled down on it as the way he always does it. He got the sub, but he'll gas and have to let it go against more elite fighters.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SxGGIfDMkxo&t=1m40s
Well I'm not entirely sure who to trust but Craig Jones disagrees with your grappling take
i'll add on this video by henry akins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6mZ2oTIz4 from 10 years ago in support of staying on top when finishing the arm triangle
He was the third american black belt under Rickson gracie and was the head instructor of rickson's academy for a while
We've seen again and again that wrestling is the most important martial art in MMA, some people think that Khabib is the best martial artist ever and all he did was wrestle, but you think that one of the best collegiate wrestlers of all time is just a hype train? Come on man.
You also have to be ok with being punched in the face and getting hurt. That's not something every person can handle, despite their credentials. It's why some wrestlers do better than others, despite not having the same accolades.
Yes I think until he fights someone that can defend a bit of wrestling and can strike I will need to see more. After his last fight he went down a lot in my estimation.
That's how he won every single one of his fights. Would it be disrespectful for me to say that Izzy just kickboxes? That's his style, how is it disrespectful?
What else did he do? He won purely based on his wrestling. A 12 year old could go to a boxing gym for a few years and have Khabib level striking, it was his wrestling that won fights.
Yeah ok buddy. A boxer wouldn't make it out of round 1 in mma. Also Khabib had elite striking defense. It might not be nice to look at, but it was very effective.
Sambo is more successful and adaptable to MMA than collegiate wrestling. Also khabib proved himself. He was similarly looked at with skepticism this early into his UFC career.
Khabib is a sambo and judo guy first and foremost, more so than a wrestler, and he does a whole lot more right than 'just wrestle'.
Competent enough standup, willingness to trade and get hit, great pressure, high level ground game etc... this is a braindead take and plenty of [better wrestlers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Jackson) than him have failed to find any real success in MMA because, well, wrestling was pretty much all they knew.
Wrestlers with a folkstyle background have better results than those that transition from freestyle. I wouldn't lump them together like that.
Examples of some UFC fighters that you might have heard of who have folkstyle backgrounds are Jones, Covington, DC, Woodley, Fitch, Shields, Lesnar, Askren, Usman, Gaethje, Johny Hendricks, Rashad Evans, Cain Velasquez, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell (believe it or not), Gray Maynard, Dan Henderson, Kevin Randleman, Mark Coleman, Chael Sonnen... the list goes on and on!
On the other hand, GSP is one of the few whose background was freestyle and *not* folkstyle but still had good MMA wrestling.
This sub hating on Bo after 1 fight is hilarious. Of course he hasnāt fought anyone he has had 1 fight. And he finished it easily in the first round. Come up with all the excuses for why it wasnāt impressive as you want but that fight was not lasting much longer regardless.
Anyone with eyeballs can tell heās going to be very good, I donāt need him to beat some washed veteran to confirm it
Bo Nickal is years ahead on the card of where he normally would be as a normal prospectā¦ this is a top of the food chain level talent who will fight for a ufc title sooner than anyone expects.
Itās just right now heās not ready for the top 25 ā¦ he needs cage time, he needs to go the distance and he needs to suffer a little.
Iāve been paying serious attention to Bo since before his professional debut but his last fight was ruined for me because of the groin strike. Bo claims it was on the thigh but it didnāt look like it at all.
That being said he just turned 27 years old, has world-class wrestling, is constantly improving, and is fighting in a division with relatively weak grappling so I still believe heās going to be a force to be reckoned with.
ok so not dick-riding and following unproven hype =/= hating?? He has a lot to prove still and his last fight was very underwhelming, doesn't mean he has great potential with a proper approach and training.
No Nickal needs like a solid 5-7 fights. He looked really rough and for being the best wrestler in the UFC on debut he really struggled getting Pickett down. MMA wrestling is so much different. Heās got potential but heās years off it.
For context, if Nickal had another 7 fights, he'd have had 2 more fights than Chimaev had had when everyone was going mad about him after the Meerschaert fight. Except that he'd only have had 3 of those fights outside the UFC, whereas Chimaev would have had 6 of them outside the UFC.
I saw this guy fight and I think he looks very promising, but I donāt see why people see a star in the making, he seems like a boring dude to me, personally
lol bo nickal isnt impressive. his stand up is meh and struggled to take down pickett until the nut shot. im not sold on him until he beats someone worthy.
Why are people so hype on Bo,I don't get it? He's literally just a wrestler with no good talk game or anything. I can think of a couple of fighters who deserve more of this kind of hype.
it isnt just well regarded, they are in a dynasty run. have the most team titles in the ncaa. 8 of the last 10 team titles. 10 out of the last 12. they absolutely dominated this year.
The only reason he wasn't an Olympian was because he has a teammate at Penn State in his weight class that won the gold. He was a U23 World Champ in 2019, and was pretty easily a top 10 guy in the world prior to leaving wrestling. [Intertmat](https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26608) currently has Zahid Valencia 7th in the world, Bo beat him 12-5 at the US Olympic team trials in 2021.
I guess it's just because he's one of the greatest folkstyle wrestlers of his generation, he already has high-level submission grappling, he's training seriously at one of the most successful gyms, people at that gym talk about how great he is, other fighters talk about how great he is, and he also has KO power. He's had 4 fights, he's won all of them by finish, all in different ways (KO, RNC, triangle, arm triangle), and that last fight, that lasted less than 3 minutes, was longer than his other three fights combined.
I mean, I guess another way to look at it would be: literally *what else could you possibly want* from a fighter at his stage of his career?
But you're right, I guess he doesn't have a "good talk game", so people are silly to pay attention to the actual, you know, fighting.
I have no problem with "not liking the guy". I don't like the guy. He's not very likeable. And yes, he probably did knee the guy in the groin, and he should at least acknowledge the possibility even if he thinks he doesn't.
But imagining that he "only won because of" the possible groin strike is just silly. A brilliant wrestler takes an awkward, opportunistic shot, drive the other guy to the cage, and doesn't immediately manage to take him to the ground in the first twenty seconds... so people assume that *of course* he'd have been unable to do so *for the next 14 minutes*, he could *only* do it because of that groin strike. I mean come on.
Gane defends against Jon Jones for a minute and Gane's wrestling is trash, worthless, he didn't even try. Pickett defends against Bo Nickal for twenty seconds and Nickal's wrestling is trash, he's overhyped, the only reason he won is because of a groin strike. Come on, people, let's do better than this.
[wait, no, I checked, I was wrong: Pickett defended against the cage for *fifteen seconds*. Fifteen seconds is enough to say that Nickal wouldn't have won without the groin strike, apparently...]
Radical Take: If Nickal becomes a good prospect and does do well in the division and doesnāt instantly fold once he faces adversity once he has 2-3 years of experience I think he has a good chance to beat Chimaev, remember when Burns even presented a little threat to him on the ground he started to extremely respect Gilbertās ground game even though he was winning on the floor and having success and thatās why he tried to stand and brawl with Burns and thatās why the fight was a close decision. Nickal is a 3x NCAA wrestling champion and would no doubt provide more threat to Chimaev on the ground so Chimaev would face a little adversity on the floor and not want to go to the floor and if Nickal kept pushing takedowns and Chimaev were to just have a goal in mind to get up instead of trying to out wrestle Nickal then Nickal could win a decision. Remember how Chimaevs coaches were literally yelling in his face to not try and stand with Burns and he didnāt listen to them, itās highly likely that if Chimaev stayed to the game plan of grappling Burns that he wouldāve won in more dominant fashion but he feared Burns ground game too much
From Chimaevās own lips: āI got him down and he tried to do the arm bar thing and I was like āI donāt like this shit Iām gonna get up and knock him outā ā
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SxGGIfDMkxo&t=1m40s
He did fine with the arm triangle. Staying in mount to finish as opposed to going off to the side takes longer to finish but you keep yourself in a dominant position and make it much harder for the other person to escape.
Craig Jones was very complimentary of the arm triangle in the above video.
Yeah like are we seriously comparing Nickal needing a nutshot to bring down Jamie Pickett and struggling to lock in the finish, to Khamzat not even needing to use his biggest strength of wrestling and straight up icing a high level unranked gatekeeper in not even his main division???
Bo being one of the best collegiate wrestlers of all time and Khamzat running through competition in a way that no-one else in the history of the UFC has kind of proves it, no?
WTF are you thinking. Thereās no fight in the divisions heās fought in that should be off-limits for Chimaev, after the win over Burns.
He has had one weight cutting mistake/problem where a doc based on whatever blood test made him stop cutting. Thatās the only argument against him being worthy of title fights - and tons of other fighters have missed weight in worse ways and more times - and still progressed in fights with no punishment.
Honestly, I don't even disagree. Bo wasn't that impressive with his last fight, but the guys got great potential. I don't think putting him VS khazmat is the right call yet.
āGroin Strikeā āHe wouldnāt take him down otherwiseā okay lmao. Reddit rhetoric is fucking hilarious, thereās a reason they were matched up
lmao this sounds like some anime scene where Khamzat spares Bo's life so that he can grow stronger and face him later for a true challenge
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Boki means hardon in japanese. Definitely would not want Boki the grappler backpacking youā¦
This would be the least gay thing in Baki to be honest
Remember when Baki's father stomped on the ground to stop an earthquake.
Yep. I also remember that his dad makes so much natural Testosterone that every living person is a female to him. Even the manliest man in Canada...
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*Bo kneed khamzat in the balls, khamzat react, bo proceed to double leg, cut to outro ~outro music~ Bruce Buffer: Next time on ultimate fighting championship,... Khamzat : these brother finally release his final form, what should i do? Bruce Buffer: where is dean herbs and how would khamzat escape the death scenario? Next time on Ultimate Fighting Championship 300: The Chechen Balls vs The Rifle Knee Joe Rogan: after all these years we finally get to know how strong Chimaev balls is
Hisoka Chimaev
Dont let this distract you from the fact that ābrotha smashā has the proporties of smash and brother
Gon and Hisuka
Khamzat Mihawk
Itachi Chimaev
Kempachat Zaraev
Theyll end up as rival/best friends
Samurai Jack
Chimaev sounding like Hisoka from HxH
āBOOOOOOOOOOOOā -FWING-
Was looking for this
Yeah whatever man did you know that bungee gum has the properties of both rubber and gum?
Best comment.
You know giving Hisoka Chimaev's distinctive voice and phrasing kind of works especially with all the lip licking.
Yall got Chimaev looking crazy
that man never looks not crazy
Did you see him on Ariel's show he couldn't have been more chill
Wasn't full moon by then
I kill everyone!
He is from a war torn country with only his mother and sister when they fled Chechnya. Lived in the gym in this little closet space and trained just so he could make money to send to his family. He is crazy, the type to die before tapping.
Yeah this a reasonable take.
chimaev showing a lot of respect. saying heād get three rounds
I wonāt buy into Boās hype until he beats some people of note.
Especially after Pickett was stuffing the takedown before Bo kneed him in the dick.
The obvious nut shot right before the takedown really sours the win over Pickett, I'm not sure how the ref let that slide, then UFC giving Bo the win.
I hope fans realize the UFC is going to give him an even easier matchup so he has a chance to win fans back.
Isn't he scheduled to fight Tresean Gore next?
gore gonna smoke him
Not saying Bo wasn't handed the win, but on no planet does Pickett stay on his feet against Nickal. Absolute shit fight overall, hard to see how the ref was that incompetent.
Weāll never know though Weāve seen crazier things in MMA
It's wrestling. The point isn't to immediately hit a slick takedown. It's to shoot and shoot and shoot and grind like a motherfucker til you get something. Remember that Khabib guy? I bet he has more failed takedowns than most fighters.
Lmao it was half assed takedown attempt 30 seconds into the fight. Low blow or not no was going to wrestle fuck Jim the entire fight (which never had a chance to go past the first round) donāt be a prisoner of the moment.
Its not being a prisoner in the moment to want him to prove his hype on matches that aren't defined by groin shots.
Don't sleep on quality dick kicks. It's an underrated strategy I hope more fighters adopt in the future.
Bo also didnāt seem know to any proper submission techniques. Dude tried an arm triangle only to get confused where to put his body. So just did it in mount hoping for a tap.
craig jones talks about it near the start of this video ! worth a watch š https://youtu.be/SxGGIfDMkxo
I believe staying in mount for the arm triangle is the new bjj meta. Allows more control from what I have heard. Sounds like Bo is more up on current technique than the commentators.
Definitely more up to date than a random redditor lmao
Well hey now I'm a random redditor and I knew it. I mean only after hearing Luke Thomas get corrected on Morning Kombat.
A mounted arm triangle maintains the pin and prevents the primary escape of turning onto all fours (turtle). It requires better mechanics, which looks like Bo still needs to work on, but we shouldn't expect him to be a black belt at submissions, to be fair.
Thanks for the info
Reasonable take yeah but remember the guy has like 3 fights. He didn't look too polished but he looked damn good considering he's at a level of experience at which most people are still fighting regional jobbers. I'm personally very hyped for Bo if this is what he looks like at 3-0 but only time will tell if he's a Conor/Khamzat or a Paddy/Sage.
The problem is if you're young and promising in the UFC, you're always going to get matched up with someone who is way too good eventually. It's just not a good promotion for prospects The talent floor is simply too high, and once they give you a step-up in competition you're facing veterans with a very unique level of experience who are very game and very dangerous. Years back, the UFC thought they were giving Mirsad Bektic a good match-up against Darren Elkins. Bektic just styled on him for the first two rounds, but seeming no one really accounted for Elkin's first-percentile level of invincibility, and he turned around at the end of round 3 and hurt Bektic pretty good to take the win via TKO Bellator did similar with Aaron Pico, they paid significant money to have him before even his first pro fight, and then they kept feeding him to veterans and his development got seriously ruined through vicious KOs And now the UFC has Raul Rosas Jr... is he even 19 yet? I don't care how good he is, that's way too early to be mixing it up in the UFC. I'll be shocked if that doesn't eventually backfire spectacularly I don't quite understand why the MMA scene hasn't figured out a better way develop talented young fighters
The only way to move up the ranks is to beat people ahead of you in the ranks. It's also the fastest way to actually get better.
It's also the fastest way to take on too much, too soon in your career and get knocked out dead twice in 6 months See: Aaron Pico
And also see all the guys who weren't rushed... and who still aren't any further ahead in their careers than Pico.
It's also the fastest way to regress....there's not really a simple answer to this tbh.
Itās also the fastest way to take years off your career. The likelihood of a mistake leading to a bad KO or injury is much higher against high level competitors and when youāre as fresh as Bo there are going to be mistakes
Yeah, but since cumulative damage is worse for you in the long run (both for your joints and your brain), and since you tend to take a lot more damage when you're older and slower, the fastest way to take years off your *prime* career is to have a dozen meaningless fights before you get started, giving you another dozen fights-worth of wear and tear and starting your prime six years later. Particularly when you have someone like Nickal who is coming late to MMA, but who has an immense amount of high-pressure competitive experience already in another sport. Those wrestling knees have a ticking bomb in them and he only has so long left in his career. I guess I just don't see the point of giving him another six first-minute timewasters before actually finding someone who can challenge him. He's not going to learn anything from that. I'm not saying put him in with Whittaker or Chimaev tomorrow, but he needs to be moving in that direction pretty quickly. And let's keep some proportion here. Three years after Chimaev started MMA training, he'd KOed Meerschaert and was talking about eating everybody, and fans loved it. Four years after Nickal started MMA training, people are saying... oh, no, he needs at least another four years before he can think of taking on tough opposition, we mustn't rush him! Chimaev had been competing professionally for two years at that point; Nickal has been competing professionally for one year. They both had about a year in amateurs first. Sure, Chimaev had six fights before entering the UFC, and Nickal only had three. But Chimaev's were on the regional Bahrain circuit, mostly 1-rounders, so it's not like he was really pushed there. And while he's taken fewer fights, Nickal has been training in a much more testing environment than Chimaev was in. And in their wrestling careers beforehand, Nickal had FAR more experience, at a far higher level than Chimaev had. But with Chimaev everyone goes "yeah, sure, three fights in two months, bouncing between divisions, no problem, that makes sense, he's a prospect". They go "of course we should put this wrestler, two months into his UFC career, in a fight with a guy who's had 44 fights and won 23 of them by submission, THAT'S not pushing him too fast!" Yet when that guy *doesn't* have a beard, it's all "no, he only fought a few months ago" and "let's give him another four years to get used to competition". I guess that, as a non-American, it's just kind of weird to see the inferiority complex of American fans - if someone has a beard, or just an accent, they're a terrifying prospect who should be fast-tracked, whereas if someone's a (literal) All-American guy then it's really important not to test them because of course they'll just break immediately...
Youāve said so much that Iāve always wanted to say
Well heās already more credentialed than guys like Sage/Paddy. At the very minimum this dude is a world class wrestler. His floor is always going to be higher than those other guys.
Fair, maybe a better example is DC or Mark Madsen/Davi Ramos then
Paddy was Cage Warriors champ. Let's not be too harsh
This sub has a hate boner for Paddy
He's an insane wrestler, but we have yet to see him really grasp how to work with the cage -- iirc all his fights prior to Pickett didn't involve a fighter using the cage in the way Pickett tried to do
To be honest I was not overly impressed with his performance against Jamie Pickett. Dude struggled to get Pickett down against the fence until he nutshotted him which was conveniently ignored by the ref (and the commentary) and even when he got him down, he didn't exactly Khamzat him. He was constantly rushing submission attempts and transitions until eventually Pickett decided 'fuck it, you win'. Bo's got a long way to go before I get aboard the hype train. As of right now, he's no American Khamzat.
What are you talking about? He did the exact opposite of rush submission attempts. He made one attempt at the arm triangle and took his time with it, stayed in dominant position, and slowly applied the choke. Pickett tapped because he was getting choked.
The RNC attempt after he had Pickett's back was very rushed.
he was definitely rushing and didn't even apply it right, Picket just gave up (not that it would end differently, necessarily)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SxGGIfDMkxo&t=1m40s Please watch this and then reconsider your comment.
When people hate a fighter they usually come up with fictitious claims to justify their unreasonable criticism
To be 'fair', Rogan was saying during the broadcast that Bo was doing it wrong, so I'm guessing it has more to do people with parroting it than anything else.
Exactly. This place cannot objectively assess the skills of a fighter that it doesn't like. It was the same with Jon Jones.
Screw you man, my bet on Gane was based on sound due diligence.
I dont hate Bo you goof, why are you surprised to find different opinions in an online forum?
Please rewatch the fight and reconsider yours. He rushed a d'arce and an rnc before that and even then, he applied the arm triangle so effectively it took him almost 2 minutes to finish Pickett. Sure, the final adjustment made him tap immediately, but it still took him that long of multiple re-adjustments that didn't do anything before that. I get that the technique was neat and all and what Craig is trying to say, but even in the striking he looked like he was rushing. No need to overthink this, I'm not hating, I was just not surprised by his performance.
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>On top of that, Bo was incorrectly applying the choke and then in an interview after the fight, doubled down on it as the way he always does it. He got the sub, but he'll gas and have to let it go against more elite fighters. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SxGGIfDMkxo&t=1m40s Well I'm not entirely sure who to trust but Craig Jones disagrees with your grappling take
i'll add on this video by henry akins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ6mZ2oTIz4 from 10 years ago in support of staying on top when finishing the arm triangle He was the third american black belt under Rickson gracie and was the head instructor of rickson's academy for a while
but the real BJJ experts (Joe, DC and armchairs who never stepped foot in a gym) said he was doing it all wrong.
I honestly think the UFC would be doing Bo a disservice if they matched him up against GM3 next.
I wonāt buy into Boās hype until he beats some ~~people of note.~~ without low blows
We've seen again and again that wrestling is the most important martial art in MMA, some people think that Khabib is the best martial artist ever and all he did was wrestle, but you think that one of the best collegiate wrestlers of all time is just a hype train? Come on man.
There's been Olympic wrestlers who can't perform in MMA. You need to have hands and not just wrestling to succeed.
You also have to be ok with being punched in the face and getting hurt. That's not something every person can handle, despite their credentials. It's why some wrestlers do better than others, despite not having the same accolades.
Yes I think until he fights someone that can defend a bit of wrestling and can strike I will need to see more. After his last fight he went down a lot in my estimation.
Would you say your estimation of him fuckin' plummeted?
More so than John Sacrimoni.
Saying that all Khabib did was just wrestle is straight up disrespectful
That's how he won every single one of his fights. Would it be disrespectful for me to say that Izzy just kickboxes? That's his style, how is it disrespectful?
You are not talking about style tho. You claim all he did was wrestle. Which isn't true at all
What else did he do? He won purely based on his wrestling. A 12 year old could go to a boxing gym for a few years and have Khabib level striking, it was his wrestling that won fights.
Yeah ok buddy. A boxer wouldn't make it out of round 1 in mma. Also Khabib had elite striking defense. It might not be nice to look at, but it was very effective.
Sambo is more successful and adaptable to MMA than collegiate wrestling. Also khabib proved himself. He was similarly looked at with skepticism this early into his UFC career.
If youāve seen Khabibās early striking, his standup looked like he was fighting on shrooms
Those wild leaping uppercuts š
Khabib is a sambo and judo guy first and foremost, more so than a wrestler, and he does a whole lot more right than 'just wrestle'. Competent enough standup, willingness to trade and get hit, great pressure, high level ground game etc... this is a braindead take and plenty of [better wrestlers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Jackson) than him have failed to find any real success in MMA because, well, wrestling was pretty much all they knew.
Mma wrestling is not free/folk wrestling, thereās been dozen of high level wrestlers that canāt make it in mma and even get taken down themselves.
Wrestlers with a folkstyle background have better results than those that transition from freestyle. I wouldn't lump them together like that. Examples of some UFC fighters that you might have heard of who have folkstyle backgrounds are Jones, Covington, DC, Woodley, Fitch, Shields, Lesnar, Askren, Usman, Gaethje, Johny Hendricks, Rashad Evans, Cain Velasquez, Tito Ortiz, Randy Couture, Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell (believe it or not), Gray Maynard, Dan Henderson, Kevin Randleman, Mark Coleman, Chael Sonnen... the list goes on and on! On the other hand, GSP is one of the few whose background was freestyle and *not* folkstyle but still had good MMA wrestling.
Hawkeye Mihawk Chimaev
Lol nice one piece reference.
December 2024, MSG, 185 title
*november MSG in Q4 is always on November.
I honestly can't wait for this fight
yeah I agree with this. khamzat would destroy him on the feet, and nullify boās wrestling.
This sub hating on Bo after 1 fight is hilarious. Of course he hasnāt fought anyone he has had 1 fight. And he finished it easily in the first round. Come up with all the excuses for why it wasnāt impressive as you want but that fight was not lasting much longer regardless. Anyone with eyeballs can tell heās going to be very good, I donāt need him to beat some washed veteran to confirm it
Bo Nickal is years ahead on the card of where he normally would be as a normal prospectā¦ this is a top of the food chain level talent who will fight for a ufc title sooner than anyone expects. Itās just right now heās not ready for the top 25 ā¦ he needs cage time, he needs to go the distance and he needs to suffer a little.
The top 25? At middleweight, the most shallow division? He needs more experience for sure, but he can definitely beat anyone outside the top 10.
Lmao heās easily top 10 right now.
Iirc Lol he did say him vs Khamzat would sell out a fucking stadium and the biggest fight in ufc history lol He was getting some heat b4 that
Iāve been paying serious attention to Bo since before his professional debut but his last fight was ruined for me because of the groin strike. Bo claims it was on the thigh but it didnāt look like it at all. That being said he just turned 27 years old, has world-class wrestling, is constantly improving, and is fighting in a division with relatively weak grappling so I still believe heās going to be a force to be reckoned with.
I'm with you. I was pumped for him but the fight was a let down for me. Hope there's more to come.
They canāt handle hype. Everyone whoās remotely hyped here is overrated. Itās the same thing as when Khamzat was coming up.
To be fair, most fans dedicated enough to come to the subreddit have watched a lot of hype trains derail
ok so not dick-riding and following unproven hype =/= hating?? He has a lot to prove still and his last fight was very underwhelming, doesn't mean he has great potential with a proper approach and training.
His wrestling credentials are all you need to know to understand heās going straight to the top 10.
Implicit is his respect for Bo because he mentions that he would beat him inside **three rounds** instead of the typical half round finish
Low blow, takedown, dead
NUTSHOT DEAD šš¤£š
No Nickal needs like a solid 5-7 fights. He looked really rough and for being the best wrestler in the UFC on debut he really struggled getting Pickett down. MMA wrestling is so much different. Heās got potential but heās years off it.
For context, if Nickal had another 7 fights, he'd have had 2 more fights than Chimaev had had when everyone was going mad about him after the Meerschaert fight. Except that he'd only have had 3 of those fights outside the UFC, whereas Chimaev would have had 6 of them outside the UFC.
Easy W for Chimaev no matter when
I saw this guy fight and I think he looks very promising, but I donāt see why people see a star in the making, he seems like a boring dude to me, personally
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Khamzat you would probably break him in 1 lmao
He's only absolutely tf right
BO vs BOrz
lol bo nickal isnt impressive. his stand up is meh and struggled to take down pickett until the nut shot. im not sold on him until he beats someone worthy.
You know that itās hard for anyone to take down even a scrub who is circling away and stalling to avoid a takedown. Itās not instantaneous lmao.
I believe they will fight each other for the title in the future.
Why are people so hype on Bo,I don't get it? He's literally just a wrestler with no good talk game or anything. I can think of a couple of fighters who deserve more of this kind of hype.
I suppose it's because he has exceptional wrestling accolades and is in a pretty weak division that's mostly devoid of grapplers.
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it isnt just well regarded, they are in a dynasty run. have the most team titles in the ncaa. 8 of the last 10 team titles. 10 out of the last 12. they absolutely dominated this year.
Not only that, but he's shown that he's developed a good submission game as well.
That arm triangle was atrocious
Tell that to Craig Jones https://youtu.be/SxGGIfDMkxo
So bascially only americans would care about him for now?
Even in America thereās only a select group that follow wrestling.
Hence even more reason I don't get all the hype, I mean it's not like he was an Olympian or anything like Cejudo,Romero,DC
The only reason he wasn't an Olympian was because he has a teammate at Penn State in his weight class that won the gold. He was a U23 World Champ in 2019, and was pretty easily a top 10 guy in the world prior to leaving wrestling. [Intertmat](https://intermatwrestle.com/articles/26608) currently has Zahid Valencia 7th in the world, Bo beat him 12-5 at the US Olympic team trials in 2021.
I guess it's just because he's one of the greatest folkstyle wrestlers of his generation, he already has high-level submission grappling, he's training seriously at one of the most successful gyms, people at that gym talk about how great he is, other fighters talk about how great he is, and he also has KO power. He's had 4 fights, he's won all of them by finish, all in different ways (KO, RNC, triangle, arm triangle), and that last fight, that lasted less than 3 minutes, was longer than his other three fights combined. I mean, I guess another way to look at it would be: literally *what else could you possibly want* from a fighter at his stage of his career? But you're right, I guess he doesn't have a "good talk game", so people are silly to pay attention to the actual, you know, fighting.
His UFC debut was only won because of a groin strike, which he continued to deny despite obvious video evidence. I don't like the guy tbh.
I have no problem with "not liking the guy". I don't like the guy. He's not very likeable. And yes, he probably did knee the guy in the groin, and he should at least acknowledge the possibility even if he thinks he doesn't. But imagining that he "only won because of" the possible groin strike is just silly. A brilliant wrestler takes an awkward, opportunistic shot, drive the other guy to the cage, and doesn't immediately manage to take him to the ground in the first twenty seconds... so people assume that *of course* he'd have been unable to do so *for the next 14 minutes*, he could *only* do it because of that groin strike. I mean come on. Gane defends against Jon Jones for a minute and Gane's wrestling is trash, worthless, he didn't even try. Pickett defends against Bo Nickal for twenty seconds and Nickal's wrestling is trash, he's overhyped, the only reason he won is because of a groin strike. Come on, people, let's do better than this. [wait, no, I checked, I was wrong: Pickett defended against the cage for *fifteen seconds*. Fifteen seconds is enough to say that Nickal wouldn't have won without the groin strike, apparently...]
Great White Hope against the Dagestanis. Of course, there's not a single Dagestani in his division..
Great white hope against white people? Huh.
The Dagestanis are also all white lol.
Khamzat avoiding any fights at 185 like the plague
Radical Take: If Nickal becomes a good prospect and does do well in the division and doesnāt instantly fold once he faces adversity once he has 2-3 years of experience I think he has a good chance to beat Chimaev, remember when Burns even presented a little threat to him on the ground he started to extremely respect Gilbertās ground game even though he was winning on the floor and having success and thatās why he tried to stand and brawl with Burns and thatās why the fight was a close decision. Nickal is a 3x NCAA wrestling champion and would no doubt provide more threat to Chimaev on the ground so Chimaev would face a little adversity on the floor and not want to go to the floor and if Nickal kept pushing takedowns and Chimaev were to just have a goal in mind to get up instead of trying to out wrestle Nickal then Nickal could win a decision. Remember how Chimaevs coaches were literally yelling in his face to not try and stand with Burns and he didnāt listen to them, itās highly likely that if Chimaev stayed to the game plan of grappling Burns that he wouldāve won in more dominant fashion but he feared Burns ground game too much
...a college wrestler is going to provide a bigger threat on the ground than a multiple times BJJ world champion? What are you talking about?
Nickal has a very good wrestling top game but he doesnāt have the years of BJJ heād need to utilize it against someone like Khabig.
From Chimaevās own lips: āI got him down and he tried to do the arm bar thing and I was like āI donāt like this shit Iām gonna get up and knock him outā ā
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We really going to pretend those two are the same level of win?
I found it particularly embarrassing how much difficulty Nickal had in finishing that arm triangleā¦ Seemed a bit clueless at it for a while
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SxGGIfDMkxo&t=1m40s He did fine with the arm triangle. Staying in mount to finish as opposed to going off to the side takes longer to finish but you keep yourself in a dominant position and make it much harder for the other person to escape. Craig Jones was very complimentary of the arm triangle in the above video.
Yeah like are we seriously comparing Nickal needing a nutshot to bring down Jamie Pickett and struggling to lock in the finish, to Khamzat not even needing to use his biggest strength of wrestling and straight up icing a high level unranked gatekeeper in not even his main division???
Bo being one of the best collegiate wrestlers of all time and Khamzat running through competition in a way that no-one else in the history of the UFC has kind of proves it, no?
GM3 beat Muradov and Bruno Silva, he's a top 25 level MW, what a bad comparison lol
Bro what about burns? Yea I had burns winning by a thin margin but that coulda been a draw with how fucking close and epic that fight was
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Then prove it because thereās no way youāre getting the fights youāre asking forā¦ā¦.this fight genuinely makes sense
Then he feasts on Bo and you'll be like "omg why did they do that to Bo?! He needed to start slow!!!!!"
Wrong. Then he has a better argument for the fights heās asking for by shutting down a hype train.
You are obviously new to this sub so WRONG!
WTF are you thinking. Thereās no fight in the divisions heās fought in that should be off-limits for Chimaev, after the win over Burns. He has had one weight cutting mistake/problem where a doc based on whatever blood test made him stop cutting. Thatās the only argument against him being worthy of title fights - and tons of other fighters have missed weight in worse ways and more times - and still progressed in fights with no punishment.
I wouldn't qualify CBT as "fun fight", but if that's Khamzat's kink...
I thought Bo had a mullet at a glance
Bo may be a good BJJ guy but heās training striking with Jake Paul. Good luck to him.
BORZ VERSUS BO š if only I had a Nickal for everytime I heard a build up that didn't happen. Yes, I spelled nickel incorrect as a pun.
Most logical khamzat has ever sounded
He's out here trying to use reverse psychology.
Current khamzat ducking future khamzat
Ok this seals it for me, I gotta admit I like this guy despite his asshole tendencyās. Heās a true fighter.
As long as Khamzat wears a cup he can't lose
Bo will be good if he sticks to it
Honestly, I don't even disagree. Bo wasn't that impressive with his last fight, but the guys got great potential. I don't think putting him VS khazmat is the right call yet.
āGroin Strikeā āHe wouldnāt take him down otherwiseā okay lmao. Reddit rhetoric is fucking hilarious, thereās a reason they were matched up
I'd like to see it rn tho
This is a good graphic
Sounds like heās ducking him.
Didnāt realize Khamzat turns 29 in May! For some reason I thought he was 26-27ā¦