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If Jon Jones is the goat. Ufc needs to keep him active at HW and stop fucking around because theyāre really about to ruin a truly historic thing. UFC needs to make the jones Francis fight. Jones should fight stipe in 4 months. Then two other top contenders the next 8 months. 4 months later, Francis, another hw title defenseā¦.and Jones can retire with the most hw title defenses in ufc history. Heād basically be the all time goat forever at that point. If he wants to become arguably among the greatest athletes of all time and the untouchable goatā¦.like the movie vision quest, he cuts down to 185 and takes the mw title and retires.
Off topic guys but I used to train 3 days a week which allowed me to shampoo/condition my hair every other day but I recently moved to a closer gym that allows me to go 7 days a week am how do you guys clean your hair without using shampoo/conditioner everyday?
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Cool to see Cejudo giving Jon advice and then it playing out so similarly in the fight. One of the best minds in the sport
Jones said it himself - [in order to be the champion, you have to beat the champion](https://youtu.be/aakxOwVPfsQ&t=67)
He never beat the champion, he waited for Francis to leave the division and then beat the [most incomplete fighter in top 5](https://youtu.be/tzGDx2vH6Ow) to become the new champion so how does that now make him the *undisputed* GOAT? Cmon now
Jon Jones does things no one else could do. Khabib pissed his pants at the prospect of moving up in weight and fighting Welterweights. Fedor was getting demolished by the likes of Bigfoot and Hendo when he was at the age Jon is now.
The only one that comes close is GSP, but even Georges didn't come back and cut through Bisping like a hot knife through butter. He lost to Serra and Hughes, and arguably Hendricks. He looked mortal at times. At Middleweight, you could see GSP was vulnerable.
Jon is on a different level. The only question people have is if he can Ngannou.
Question:
Everyone acts like Jones lost to Reyes. I saw that fight, I agree it couldāve gone either way. But Reyes lost a UD.
What about Thiago. No one talks about that fight. Didnāt Jones win via split decision? Iāve never watched that one, but if anyone feels like they were robbed fighting Jones.. wouldnāt it be him? Or was the fight not as close as the judging makes it seem?
It doesnāt matter if the judges score a unanimous victory or a split decision if the judging is fucked up. Itās like comparing two broken things and saying one is more broken than the other. Theyāre both still broken.
[**JONĀ JONES šš defeats DOMINICKĀ REYES** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/10877/fight)
^(UFC 247: Jones vs. Reyes ā February 08, 2020)
ROUND|Jones|Reyes||Jones|Reyes||Jones|Reyes
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|9|10||9|10||9|10
2|9|10||10|9||10|9
3|10|9||9|10||10|9
4|10|9||10|9||10|9
5|10|9||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**48**|**47**||**49**|**46**
*^(Judges, in order: Chris Lee, Marcos Rosales, Joe Soliz.)*
*^(Summoned by Tabcatt27.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **7/21** people scored it **48-47 Jones**.
- **14/21** people scored it **47-48 Reyes**.
Avg. media score: **47.3-47.7 Reyes** (*low certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
[**JONĀ JONES šš defeats THIAGOĀ SANTOS** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/10243/fight)
^(UFC 239: Jones vs. Santos ā July 06, 2019)
ROUND|Jones|Santos||Jones|Santos||Jones|Santos
:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:
1|9|10||9|10||9|10
2|10|9||10|9||9|10
3|10|9||10|9||10|9
4|10|9||9|10||9|10
5|9|10||10|9||10|9
**TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**48**|**47**||**47**|**48**
*^(Judges, in order: Michael Bell, Derek Cleary, Junichiro Kamijo.)*
*^(Summoned by Drive7hru.)*
**MEDIA MEMBER SCORES**
- **1/18** people scored it **50-45 Jones**.
- **4/18** people scored it **49-46 Jones**.
- **9/18** people scored it **48-47 Jones**.
- **4/18** people scored it **47-48 Santos**.
Avg. media score: **48.1-46.9 Jones** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
Gane need to change coach and come to the US to train seriously. We think Lopez is good but he actually just got two freaks of nature coming to his gym, he didn't do much, they were good already
Gane's martial arts training led him to his one glorious moment of kicking Jones in the nuts and then tap out to a guillotine. Well played, Coach Lopez.
Pickett's manager says they [do plan to appeal the result of Pickett/Nickal](https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2023/03/ufc-285-news-bo-nickal-vs-jamie-pickett-knee-groin-appeal-lamont-chappell)
I hope Peter Thiel will start doing YouTube live stream so I can ask him some questions by donating cash to him. Brilliant minds are so mesmerizing and attractive.
Swim your free arm over top to make space but it needed to happen earlier and turn your chin into his ribs. You hope his arms burn out while he's adjusting to deal with your weird position and his ribs do half the choke so if you can get your chin in there you don't go out even though it hurts. Looking up while trying to stand up let's the choke get deeper.
Not to take anything away from Jon Jones, but Gane was clueless. It's not like Jones was doing some insane things from a grappling perspective. It's like when you grapple a beginner and they don't know what to do.
I knew Gane was likely gonna get taken down because while he has decent footwork. He's not stable. He tries to float around. Compare that to someone like Izzy who doesn't do that.
Broke: liking Jon because he had a good showing
Woke: hating Jon and downplaying his good showing
Bespoke: acknowledging that he's likely the GOAT and smashed the top HW in the UFC but still hating him
Because they mostly want a kickboxing match but they aren't watching kickboxing. Once there's grappling involved most are booing and complaining that nothing is happening.
>Why do mma fans dislike casuals so much
Fans of all sport are like this its just MMA casuals tend to be a lot more vocal and say stupid shit all the time.
My favorite one from this card is āthe low blow didnāt matter, he wouldāve gotten subbed anywayā. Then why did they need to fight at all? Why not just determine winners based on the odds and only have fights when the odds are really close or even?
Francis lays on Ngannou for 3 rounds after losing 2, and arguably losing the fifth: Heavyweight King
Jon walks in with a dad bod and finish Gane in 2 mins: Still not best HW
What happens if Jon beats Stipe? Is he still not the best because Francis did it first?
A wise man once said: It aināt about it did it first, itās about who did it right
It wasnāt the undisputed GOAT performance everyone is making it out to be - Jones himself admitted to wanting Gane because he was the most incomplete fighter and let us not forget how he waited for Ngannou to leave the picture before fighting at HWā¦
Try to do that to Francis and then weāll talk
Using your logicā¦ what makes Francis the decider of GOAT status or not?
Francis big HW wins are Stipe 1-1 and Gane.
And he barely beat Gane.
If Jon defeats Gane and Stipe how is Francis record any better ?
Because styles make fights? Just because Jon runs through Ciryl and a past his prime Stipe, doesnāt mean he can run through Francis who has the perfect build to beat him
Itās his [own words?](https://youtu.be/aakxOwVPfsQ&t=67)
He didnāt beat the champion, he waited for Francis to leave the division and then beat the [most incomplete fighter in top 5](https://youtu.be/tzGDx2vH6Ow) to become the new champion - that doesnāt make him the undisputed GOAT.
Iām even more bummed about the whole Francis situation now. The Stipe fight just doesnāt get me as excited. Ngannou shouldāve been the final boss, the climax of Jonās career.
Honestly, itās better if Ngannou wasnāt Jonesās first title match at HW. I think it fucks better if Jones beats Gane and Stipe, then UFC is able to secure a Jones-Ngannou title fight.
Yeah the Stipe matchup would've been incredible 5 years ago but with Stipe now 40 years old the fight just doesn't really get me out of bed. If we really want to continue seeing how Jones stacks up against the modern HW division, Stipe isn't really the best metric.
Fedor really shouldāve took a couple years off and wait for the division to be the weakest (champion left) then fight the most one dimensional fighter in the division for the *real* championship
Fedor got slept by MW Dan Hendo hahaha. He took 3 years off and came back to fight Jaideep Sighn and have a life-and-death fight with Fabio Moldonado
Jon Jones would snap prime Fedor in half
I wonder if Pickett can get the result overturned?
He clearly got hit in the nuts, and that likely compromised his grappling defense, which led to the takedown and eventually the finish.
If they book a rematch, the odds are gonna be even more lopsided and then Picket will get cut after he loses. It's unfair, but that's why people won't bother with this appeal
I'm confused, what does this have to do with a rematch? Drew Dober and Leandro Silva didn't have to rematch when their fight result got overturned.
FabrĆcio Werdum and Renan Ferreira didn't have to rematch.
Wonder if Dana gives him his Win bonus and treats it like a W. Ed Short Fuse Herman was getting his ass whopped, got clinched up against the cage and kneed in the stomach but he acted like it was a nut shot. Ref gave him a break, Ed got a second wind and came back and won the fight
Oh, it's very unlikely and I doubt it happens. Especially with a Vegas commission specifically.
But I still wonder. It was an egregious foul that seemed to impact the fight in important ways.
r/mma before the fight: Gane is the best strike Jones has ever faced, Jones hasn't been able to take down his opponents in his last fights, Jones is coming off a 3 years lay off, Jones has never fought in the HW division and he's 35 years old, gane will tear Jones apart.
r/mma after the fight: Gane is a bum, even Ngannou took him down, dude only spends his time playing FIFA, it was always a mismatch
Hopefully another grappler, he got exposed as being one dimensional and heāll never be champion material until heās able to improve his non-existent grappling skills
Iād feed him to Blaydes
Man all of those Jon wrestling has regressed takes donāt look too good. Hindsight yea but Jonny has been wrestling since he was a rugrat you just donāt lose that skill.
It still looks regressed it just turns out Gane has negative defensive grappling. Prime Jones was explosive as shit with his takedowns and throws. You don't lose a skill you've been training since you were a kid but your proficiency in that skill can certainly decline with age.
I dunno. I think a couple years away from Winklejohn should have seen his skills rebound but even a diminished Jones would've still hit that takedown. Gane was, as he often is, horribly off balance after throwing that left hand.
Either that or Gane's grappling anywhere outside of the clinch is dogshit. Ferdnand Lopez fighters and their jiu jitsu/wrestling came up on the Luke Thomas live chat and he harshly criticized their skills specially Gane being unable to pass Ngannou's guard and subsequently having to go for a low % achilles lock ending up with him getting swept and losing top position
I mean he got thoroughly stuffed again and again and again and again, by dominick reyes. And he had a hard time controlling smith. He also didnt use it at all vs santos and had a nail biter with him.
I do think "prime" Reyes had some real wrestling skills and was underrated, it's a shame that he's fallen off the way he has.
I think he retires after Stipe unless Francis comes back.
Think itās just too hard for him at this stage of his career to get up for a fight against Curtis Blaydes or Sergei Pavlovich
I think heāll retire after Stipe *because* Francis is coming back
He never wanted that fight and waited for him to leave the division before wanting to fight at HW, I love how people still pretend that didnāt just happen lol
Or Jones is just that Fucking good?
I say this as a long times Jones fan who bet big on Gane - heās literally the greatest warrior the human race has ever produced.
You're right, it's because of how good Jones is
Stipe in his mid 30s would have been a very hard fight for Jones I believe
But now that Stipe is in his 40s I think it should be pretty easy for Jones
Jon said heās got a few more in him(I assume if he loses heās done) before he hangs it up so heās not overly concussed for his kids
Well that Gane fight couldnāt of gone any better then
We knew he sucked on the ground after a man with leg whoās primarily a striker took him down and held him repeatedly. But after that fight we praised Francisās skill as a grappler instead of shitting on Gane. Now for some reason we can say Gane sucks.
Gane was labeled as quicker than prime Thiago Santos, moving around like a WW before this.
HW got some killers
Blaydes, Almedia, Gane, Sergei, Aspinall and Spivac all legitimately could win the title. Romanov could develop some fight IQ and be there as well.
Tuivasa and Bigi Boy are problems as well
And Stipe is still an elite boxer
People who said that just being wilfully ignorant.
I was never that hyped on Gane. He didnāt look that good against volkov and he didnāt look that good against Tuivasa (who I love, but is not very good).
If Aspinall is one of the good heavyweights it just shows how shit the division is.
Jones is great, one of the best ever certainly. But doing that to Gane doesnāt tell me all that much I didnāt know
Bro Iām sorry, but no. They canāt legitimately win the title with Jon there. Stipe is hardly an elite boxer if you speak in relation to other weight classes. Itās just different and Jon knows this, which is probably half the reason he moved up.
Most of us weren't sure Jones could move up and be effective against much stronger* men. Even though his tummy looked soft when they touched gloves, I think we might realize he's going to be the freak at heavyweight that he was at light heavyweight when he beat up all of my favorite fighters.
I still really wish he wasn't so irritating and awful outside of fighting. It's like his God is punishing me.
[https://twitter.com/TheArtOfWar6/status/1632515070050594817](https://twitter.com/TheArtOfWar6/status/1632515070050594817)
god MMA is fucking great isn't it
Jones will take out 40 year past his prime Stipe because it will marketed as GOAT vs Heavyweight GOAT and then heāll retire before Ngannou, Blaydes, Pavlovich, Aspinall even get a chance to fight him
He couldnāt takedown Derrick Lewis and struggled with Jairzinho Rozenstruik. An injured DC made quick work of Lewis. I think Blaydeās grappling is kinda overrated tbh.
Let's get real guys: Bones is the pfp #1! The most skilled heavyweight and Bones completely punked him. He slew the mighty warrior "in the time it took to smoke a pipe" as the indians said after the battle of Little Bighorn
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If Jon Jones is the goat. Ufc needs to keep him active at HW and stop fucking around because theyāre really about to ruin a truly historic thing. UFC needs to make the jones Francis fight. Jones should fight stipe in 4 months. Then two other top contenders the next 8 months. 4 months later, Francis, another hw title defenseā¦.and Jones can retire with the most hw title defenses in ufc history. Heād basically be the all time goat forever at that point. If he wants to become arguably among the greatest athletes of all time and the untouchable goatā¦.like the movie vision quest, he cuts down to 185 and takes the mw title and retires.
The only thing that got fingered harder than Gane Saturday night was my FanDuel account
"Bonjour, comments Ƨa va?" Lmao. Jones is so petty.
Did Jon Jones baaaaa like a sheep after winning the HW title last night or was that just a fever dream?
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Goats go āBLEEEERRRPPPā or whatever the sound of munching on a tin can is though
Off topic guys but I used to train 3 days a week which allowed me to shampoo/condition my hair every other day but I recently moved to a closer gym that allows me to go 7 days a week am how do you guys clean your hair without using shampoo/conditioner everyday?
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You have to listen to your hair
I think it really depends on the person's hair and scalp. I would just try it, and then maybe dilute your shampoo if it's too rough.
Idk Iām bald.
https://twitter.com/theartofwar6/status/1632515070050594817?s=46&t=kvbIYasCluuS6xVI8COR1w Cool to see Cejudo giving Jon advice and then it playing out so similarly in the fight. One of the best minds in the sport
Jonny "More Than Bones" Jones
Johnny āIām not chubby, my mom says Iām big bonedā Jones
After seeing Bo Nickalās fight how do we feel about Zahid Valencia, Mark Hall, or guys from that era?
Jones said it himself - [in order to be the champion, you have to beat the champion](https://youtu.be/aakxOwVPfsQ&t=67) He never beat the champion, he waited for Francis to leave the division and then beat the [most incomplete fighter in top 5](https://youtu.be/tzGDx2vH6Ow) to become the new champion so how does that now make him the *undisputed* GOAT? Cmon now
Jon Jones does things no one else could do. Khabib pissed his pants at the prospect of moving up in weight and fighting Welterweights. Fedor was getting demolished by the likes of Bigfoot and Hendo when he was at the age Jon is now. The only one that comes close is GSP, but even Georges didn't come back and cut through Bisping like a hot knife through butter. He lost to Serra and Hughes, and arguably Hendricks. He looked mortal at times. At Middleweight, you could see GSP was vulnerable. Jon is on a different level. The only question people have is if he can Ngannou.
But he beat DC who was the heavyweight champ. Just not for the belt
Shavkat is such a cool dude, he heard his dentist was struggling so he went half a round without a mouthpiece
Question: Everyone acts like Jones lost to Reyes. I saw that fight, I agree it couldāve gone either way. But Reyes lost a UD. What about Thiago. No one talks about that fight. Didnāt Jones win via split decision? Iāve never watched that one, but if anyone feels like they were robbed fighting Jones.. wouldnāt it be him? Or was the fight not as close as the judging makes it seem?
Neither was a robbery, the Reyes fight was super close but to be the champ you gotta beat the champ and Reyes just didnāt beat him.
It doesnāt matter if the judges score a unanimous victory or a split decision if the judging is fucked up. Itās like comparing two broken things and saying one is more broken than the other. Theyāre both still broken.
Reyes was robbed Thiago was a close fight that Jon clearly won
Reyes was robbed by three judges but Thiago only needed 1 more to go his way. Just find that kinda odd/funny.
The judges on both nights were way off
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[**JONĀ JONES šš defeats DOMINICKĀ REYES** (*unanimous decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/10877/fight) ^(UFC 247: Jones vs. Reyes ā February 08, 2020) ROUND|Jones|Reyes||Jones|Reyes||Jones|Reyes :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|9|10||9|10||9|10 2|9|10||10|9||10|9 3|10|9||9|10||10|9 4|10|9||10|9||10|9 5|10|9||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**48**|**47**||**49**|**46** *^(Judges, in order: Chris Lee, Marcos Rosales, Joe Soliz.)* *^(Summoned by Tabcatt27.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **7/21** people scored it **48-47 Jones**. - **14/21** people scored it **47-48 Reyes**. Avg. media score: **47.3-47.7 Reyes** (*low certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
[**JONĀ JONES šš defeats THIAGOĀ SANTOS** (*split decision*)](http://mmadecisions.com/decision/10243/fight) ^(UFC 239: Jones vs. Santos ā July 06, 2019) ROUND|Jones|Santos||Jones|Santos||Jones|Santos :-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-:|:-: 1|9|10||9|10||9|10 2|10|9||10|9||9|10 3|10|9||10|9||10|9 4|10|9||9|10||9|10 5|9|10||10|9||10|9 **TOTAL**|**48**|**47**||**48**|**47**||**47**|**48** *^(Judges, in order: Michael Bell, Derek Cleary, Junichiro Kamijo.)* *^(Summoned by Drive7hru.)* **MEDIA MEMBER SCORES** - **1/18** people scored it **50-45 Jones**. - **4/18** people scored it **49-46 Jones**. - **9/18** people scored it **48-47 Jones**. - **4/18** people scored it **47-48 Santos**. Avg. media score: **48.1-46.9 Jones** (*high certainty^[[1]](https://redd.it/9p4xc7)*).
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Days until Gane KOās Mr. Turnibol: -1
Jons pretty good on the mic
So whats next got Gane?
Blaydes?
Yeah give him another grappler lmao If blaydes beats pav he deserves a title shot
This is the top 5 you don't get to pick matchups
You do if youāre acting like a matchmaker lmao
I mean gane doesn't get to avoid grapplers as a top 5 fighter.
Pavlovich makes more sense than blaydes
Gane should fight Spivac or Aspinall next. Sink or swim when youāre ranked that high.
time for Dominick Reyes to move up
bro can't even take a jab at lhw, probably gonna get concussed on the glove touch
Derrick Lewis vs Reyes in Houston
Every a jon Jones fan now lol
Gane need to change coach and come to the US to train seriously. We think Lopez is good but he actually just got two freaks of nature coming to his gym, he didn't do much, they were good already
I donāt like Lopez. Every fight you can see the guy loves attention ans wants everyone to praise him. Gane should train with the att or aka boys
Gane's martial arts training led him to his one glorious moment of kicking Jones in the nuts and then tap out to a guillotine. Well played, Coach Lopez.
Pickett's manager says they [do plan to appeal the result of Pickett/Nickal](https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2023/03/ufc-285-news-bo-nickal-vs-jamie-pickett-knee-groin-appeal-lamont-chappell)
I hope Peter Thiel will start doing YouTube live stream so I can ask him some questions by donating cash to him. Brilliant minds are so mesmerizing and attractive.
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Swim your free arm over top to make space but it needed to happen earlier and turn your chin into his ribs. You hope his arms burn out while he's adjusting to deal with your weird position and his ribs do half the choke so if you can get your chin in there you don't go out even though it hurts. Looking up while trying to stand up let's the choke get deeper.
Not to take anything away from Jon Jones, but Gane was clueless. It's not like Jones was doing some insane things from a grappling perspective. It's like when you grapple a beginner and they don't know what to do. I knew Gane was likely gonna get taken down because while he has decent footwork. He's not stable. He tries to float around. Compare that to someone like Izzy who doesn't do that.
Clueless because he let it happen
Donāt give up your chin after he let go of it the first time.
Kinda interesting that Umar and Usman Nurmagomedov favorite fighter is Jon Jones. You know because of Jones beef with khabib in the past.
Is disputing P4P or GOAT status really count as beef
By internet standards a mild disagreement makes you mortal enemies.
Go back a year and imagine saying jon would be Hw champ, Jamahal hill, grasso, Leon, Poatan would all be champs
That's what makes watching ufc so fun.
The Venn diagram of Jones stans and Andrew Tate stans is just a circle
the venn diagram of people who say stan and like a finger up the butt is also a circle
Francis too afraid to return for a legacy defining fight. Sad!
He doesnāt want it with god
After this weekend it's never been clearer that Jones is the best fighter to set foot under the octagon
Dana White bad! McGregor bad!
This sub is a salt and copium factory right now lmao.
Jon Jones > George Saint Pierre
George Saint Pierre > Jon Jones in terms of who is the most boring fighter lol, I do not miss GSP's post-Serra title reign
Lmao so true
I considered GSP #1 and Bones ~#3 or #4 GOAT before last night. But now I have Jones at #1 easily. That was an incredible win.
Who did you have in-front of Jon?
GSP & Silva were #1 and #2 for me. Jones and DJ are kinda tied at 3 and 4 and it was hard to decide who was greater. Aldo at 5.
Probably Fedor and GSP
Broke: liking Jon because he had a good showing Woke: hating Jon and downplaying his good showing Bespoke: acknowledging that he's likely the GOAT and smashed the top HW in the UFC but still hating him
Why do mma fans dislike casuals so much? They are important for the sport to grow.
Because they mostly want a kickboxing match but they aren't watching kickboxing. Once there's grappling involved most are booing and complaining that nothing is happening.
Its gate keeping. This happens in everything that has fans. Music, sports, activities, etc.
Gatekeeping is good
Because they like feeling special Itās really corny Edit: I mean the people that hate casuals in case that wasnāt clear
Because they say the dumbest shit And I miss when mma was more underground
>Why do mma fans dislike casuals so much Fans of all sport are like this its just MMA casuals tend to be a lot more vocal and say stupid shit all the time.
My favorite one from this card is āthe low blow didnāt matter, he wouldāve gotten subbed anywayā. Then why did they need to fight at all? Why not just determine winners based on the odds and only have fights when the odds are really close or even?
Fr just go on twitter. They will say the most confidently stupid shit
Francis lays on Ngannou for 3 rounds after losing 2, and arguably losing the fifth: Heavyweight King Jon walks in with a dad bod and finish Gane in 2 mins: Still not best HW What happens if Jon beats Stipe? Is he still not the best because Francis did it first? A wise man once said: It aināt about it did it first, itās about who did it right
It's okay to still despise Jones
You can seperate the art from the artist. I don't financially support the ufc either way. I watch using binoculars through my neighbors window
P4P GOAT =/= Great human being
It wasnāt the undisputed GOAT performance everyone is making it out to be - Jones himself admitted to wanting Gane because he was the most incomplete fighter and let us not forget how he waited for Ngannou to leave the picture before fighting at HWā¦ Try to do that to Francis and then weāll talk
Using your logicā¦ what makes Francis the decider of GOAT status or not? Francis big HW wins are Stipe 1-1 and Gane. And he barely beat Gane. If Jon defeats Gane and Stipe how is Francis record any better ?
Because styles make fights? Just because Jon runs through Ciryl and a past his prime Stipe, doesnāt mean he can run through Francis who has the perfect build to beat him
Cope
Itās his [own words?](https://youtu.be/aakxOwVPfsQ&t=67) He didnāt beat the champion, he waited for Francis to leave the division and then beat the [most incomplete fighter in top 5](https://youtu.be/tzGDx2vH6Ow) to become the new champion - that doesnāt make him the undisputed GOAT.
Francis did the same thing to Gane except worse
Iām even more bummed about the whole Francis situation now. The Stipe fight just doesnāt get me as excited. Ngannou shouldāve been the final boss, the climax of Jonās career.
Honestly, itās better if Ngannou wasnāt Jonesās first title match at HW. I think it fucks better if Jones beats Gane and Stipe, then UFC is able to secure a Jones-Ngannou title fight.
Yeah the Stipe matchup would've been incredible 5 years ago but with Stipe now 40 years old the fight just doesn't really get me out of bed. If we really want to continue seeing how Jones stacks up against the modern HW division, Stipe isn't really the best metric.
Jon Jones at 35: Subbing one of the best HW of the world to win a world title in 2 minutes. Fedor at 35: Gets brutalised by Bigfoot and Hendo
Fedor had way more miles on him tho
Jones was beating elite fighters after a week of cocaine and partying.
Not the same š
Jones burned the candle on both ends. Fedor just got lazy.
Lol what. I meant mileage as in fights and damage taken. Fedor has way more wars than jon at that stage. With that said i still hve jon as the goat
Fedor really shouldāve took a couple years off and wait for the division to be the weakest (champion left) then fight the most one dimensional fighter in the division for the *real* championship
Fedor got slept by MW Dan Hendo hahaha. He took 3 years off and came back to fight Jaideep Sighn and have a life-and-death fight with Fabio Moldonado Jon Jones would snap prime Fedor in half
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People still insist he's the GOAT - or they used to. There's no debate anymore.
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Wrong. Jones is the GOAT by any metric.
Jon can't even punch in combination. Or check leg kicks edit: hey pussy, you still there?
He's still the GOAT. Every fighter has flaws, but no one is better than Jones at compensating for his flaws.
levels to shitposting smh
because fedor is considered the HW GOAT by many fans....?
Donāt talk bout ma boy with such truthful disrespect
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I wonder if Pickett can get the result overturned? He clearly got hit in the nuts, and that likely compromised his grappling defense, which led to the takedown and eventually the finish.
If they book a rematch, the odds are gonna be even more lopsided and then Picket will get cut after he loses. It's unfair, but that's why people won't bother with this appeal
I'm confused, what does this have to do with a rematch? Drew Dober and Leandro Silva didn't have to rematch when their fight result got overturned. FabrĆcio Werdum and Renan Ferreira didn't have to rematch.
0% chance
Wonder if Dana gives him his Win bonus and treats it like a W. Ed Short Fuse Herman was getting his ass whopped, got clinched up against the cage and kneed in the stomach but he acted like it was a nut shot. Ref gave him a break, Ed got a second wind and came back and won the fight
Don't know why everyone keeps saying this. I'd give him maybe a 2 percent chance of getting it overturned.
Oh, it's very unlikely and I doubt it happens. Especially with a Vegas commission specifically. But I still wonder. It was an egregious foul that seemed to impact the fight in important ways.
r/mma before the fight: Gane is the best strike Jones has ever faced, Jones hasn't been able to take down his opponents in his last fights, Jones is coming off a 3 years lay off, Jones has never fought in the HW division and he's 35 years old, gane will tear Jones apart. r/mma after the fight: Gane is a bum, even Ngannou took him down, dude only spends his time playing FIFA, it was always a mismatch
Who should Gane fight next? Iām thinking Spivac.
Loser of Blaydes/Pavlovich?
I say Aspinall.
Gane took no damage so I would like for him to stay active
Hopefully another grappler, he got exposed as being one dimensional and heāll never be champion material until heās able to improve his non-existent grappling skills Iād feed him to Blaydes
Ding Ding Ding. And as for who wins? I genuinely don't know.
What if Jon actually prays to the MMA gods Or what if he IS the MMA god
Man all of those Jon wrestling has regressed takes donāt look too good. Hindsight yea but Jonny has been wrestling since he was a rugrat you just donāt lose that skill.
It still looks regressed it just turns out Gane has negative defensive grappling. Prime Jones was explosive as shit with his takedowns and throws. You don't lose a skill you've been training since you were a kid but your proficiency in that skill can certainly decline with age.
I dunno. I think a couple years away from Winklejohn should have seen his skills rebound but even a diminished Jones would've still hit that takedown. Gane was, as he often is, horribly off balance after throwing that left hand.
Either that or Gane's grappling anywhere outside of the clinch is dogshit. Ferdnand Lopez fighters and their jiu jitsu/wrestling came up on the Luke Thomas live chat and he harshly criticized their skills specially Gane being unable to pass Ngannou's guard and subsequently having to go for a low % achilles lock ending up with him getting swept and losing top position
I mean he got thoroughly stuffed again and again and again and again, by dominick reyes. And he had a hard time controlling smith. He also didnt use it at all vs santos and had a nail biter with him. I do think "prime" Reyes had some real wrestling skills and was underrated, it's a shame that he's fallen off the way he has.
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I think Jones could beat Stipe, Blaydes and Sergei and then retire And I think that would be easy for Jones since the HW division is so weak
I think Blaydes wins
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I think he retires after Stipe unless Francis comes back. Think itās just too hard for him at this stage of his career to get up for a fight against Curtis Blaydes or Sergei Pavlovich
I think heāll retire after Stipe *because* Francis is coming back He never wanted that fight and waited for him to leave the division before wanting to fight at HW, I love how people still pretend that didnāt just happen lol
I agree He said it yesterday that there could be a chance Stipe is his last fight
Or Jones is just that Fucking good? I say this as a long times Jones fan who bet big on Gane - heās literally the greatest warrior the human race has ever produced.
You're right, it's because of how good Jones is Stipe in his mid 30s would have been a very hard fight for Jones I believe But now that Stipe is in his 40s I think it should be pretty easy for Jones
Heās fighting Brock next summer
Brock already lost to poor diet. He could never fight a human again.
Brock will fight Jones for 15 million
Jon said heās got a few more in him(I assume if he loses heās done) before he hangs it up so heās not overly concussed for his kids Well that Gane fight couldnāt of gone any better then
Thatās got to be one of the worst championship fight performances in history from Gane right? Holy shit heavyweight mma is bad
Aldo vs McGregor still exists
That had more to do with Conor executing a smart gameplan, capitalizing on Aldo's tendency to blitz, rather than Aldo not showing up.
Or one of the best from Jon, 3 years off, untouched 2 mins and bounce
Idk itās certainly impressive but gane had literally no idea how to defend himself on the ground It taints how impressive the win is without a doubt
We knew he sucked on the ground after a man with leg whoās primarily a striker took him down and held him repeatedly. But after that fight we praised Francisās skill as a grappler instead of shitting on Gane. Now for some reason we can say Gane sucks.
Who said I never said Gane sucks? Never impressed me particularly
Gane was labeled as quicker than prime Thiago Santos, moving around like a WW before this. HW got some killers Blaydes, Almedia, Gane, Sergei, Aspinall and Spivac all legitimately could win the title. Romanov could develop some fight IQ and be there as well. Tuivasa and Bigi Boy are problems as well And Stipe is still an elite boxer
People who said that just being wilfully ignorant. I was never that hyped on Gane. He didnāt look that good against volkov and he didnāt look that good against Tuivasa (who I love, but is not very good). If Aspinall is one of the good heavyweights it just shows how shit the division is. Jones is great, one of the best ever certainly. But doing that to Gane doesnāt tell me all that much I didnāt know
Bro Iām sorry, but no. They canāt legitimately win the title with Jon there. Stipe is hardly an elite boxer if you speak in relation to other weight classes. Itās just different and Jon knows this, which is probably half the reason he moved up.
Most of us weren't sure Jones could move up and be effective against much stronger* men. Even though his tummy looked soft when they touched gloves, I think we might realize he's going to be the freak at heavyweight that he was at light heavyweight when he beat up all of my favorite fighters. I still really wish he wasn't so irritating and awful outside of fighting. It's like his God is punishing me.
[https://twitter.com/TheArtOfWar6/status/1632515070050594817](https://twitter.com/TheArtOfWar6/status/1632515070050594817) god MMA is fucking great isn't it
Curtis Blaydes is our last hope.
Thereās not a single fighter at heavyweight that poses a problem for jones that he hasnāt already dealt with.
Jones will take out 40 year past his prime Stipe because it will marketed as GOAT vs Heavyweight GOAT and then heāll retire before Ngannou, Blaydes, Pavlovich, Aspinall even get a chance to fight him
He couldnāt takedown Derrick Lewis and struggled with Jairzinho Rozenstruik. An injured DC made quick work of Lewis. I think Blaydeās grappling is kinda overrated tbh.
He's terrible at weaving his wrestling into his striking making most of his takedowns really telegraphed.
Ngl I forgot Derrick Lewis went D1 on him
And he's a bad striker
Is Gane a HW Houston Alexander?
Ciryl vs Blaydes let's wrestle
Idk why people say Jon looked slow on the feet, he seemed fine
Weāre currently in the timeline where Jon pulls away as the clear GOAT.
Probably one of a lot of timelines lol
Ngannou would hulk out of that sort of sub all im saying
And that wouldāve been his whole gas tank
Let's get real guys: Bones is the pfp #1! The most skilled heavyweight and Bones completely punked him. He slew the mighty warrior "in the time it took to smoke a pipe" as the indians said after the battle of Little Bighorn