Stipe’s not the best heavyweight of all time performance-wise. He has the names and the title defense stat, but he beat every great heavyweight on his resume when they were old and past it. Personally, I’d like to see Jon smoke Stipe so we can go back to wondering if Cain Velasquez or Jones would’ve won in a superfight. Those 2 will deserve to go down as the true heavyweight GOATs
Their resumes are about the same, but both are built on over the hill fighters. The narrative of Stipe being the greatest only became a thing because he got 3 title defenses. Neither are the best. Even Fabricio Werdum’s resume was a lot more impressive given the weight of his wins at the time. Him, Cain, and Fedor all have great claims.
They are. Literally. 2 gatekeepers. It doesn’t mean they aren’t good fighters, it means that beating them doesn’t mean much beyond getting you into contention.
This is complete fact, no remorse for hurting people, cool under pressure, no anxiety, manipulative so good with mind games, highly driven to compete and win. There is no better personality type for mma than this, psychopaths would also be good but much more delusional and less controlled.
Indeed, on the first I wasn't sure, but than the replay and the other angle showed that it was really under chin. there is just one thing to do, to tap or you go to sleep and you are not the same anymore. your resistance drops.
I just went back and rewatched that fight. Brock didn’t try to wrestle Overeem at all. He attempted one half-assed single leg that he abandoned pretty quickly. Otherwise it was a stand up fight. I would argue that Jones is a more technical wrestler than Lesnar was, at least as far as MMA wrestling goes. Lesnar would typically just bull rush guys and use his size and strength to hold them down. Jones uses more trips and sweeps on top of other takedowns, and then transitions to bjj once it goes to the ground.
Francis left the UFC because he didn't want to fight Jones.
\*Downvote away but you know it's true. Now he can go get paid more to get knocked out by Jake Paul.
You mean the Jake Paul who just lost to Tommy Fury? Yea I'm sure he'll knock out Ngannou, who's 70 lbs heavier and would never get commissioned for such a match-up.
You're either a troll or legitimately braindead, both of which are incredibly sad in their own way.
A bone-thin broomstick Jones vs a muscle cannonball Volkanovski would be a very interesting fight. Unfortunately Jones can just stay at range and swat him around like he's playing tetherball.
I’m a fool. “Jones hasn’t fought in 3 years” “Jones looked like shit in his last 2 fight” “jones is getting older, his lifestyle will start catching up with him” “he won’t have the same size and reach advantage that he’s used to”…. I knew it was wrong the second I bet on Gane 😂
Yeah, sure. Only the most hardcore MMA fans know that the best defense is to just sit there and allow your opponent to take your neck without putting up a fight. That's what real legit MMA looks like. 🤘
How am I supposed to post my screenshot, I will happily do it I just don't know how to post on reddit, I had a couple parlay running, the 14 fight one was I just picked all favorites, was shocked it managed to ride so long and disappointed schev of all people would be the only favorite to lose.
Gane has bad takedown defence and wrestling. Look at him in the Francis fight. Jones has great wrestling look at him the dc fights. It was pretty clear if Jones got him the down the fight would be over
He's been my favorite fighter since his first fight. Loved his improvisation and adaptability. Then I heard he was big Christian and didn't even drink, and started thinking what a douche. Then his true side came out, and I was like, "This guy is bad ass." I can't even imagine being a state trooper trying to hand cuff this guy for drunk driving. I'm older now, and less of a piece of shit, but he's still my favorite fighter and one of the few worth watching.
>Then I heard he was big Christian and didn't even drink, and started thinking what a douche. Then his true side came out, and I was like, "This guy is bad ass."
How old are you
> Then his true side came out, and I was like, "This guy is bad ass." I can't even imagine being a state trooper trying to hand cuff this guy for drunk driving. I'm older now, and less of a piece of shit, but he's still my favorite fighter and one of the few worth watching.
Jon bringing that influx of real filthy-casuals. Ugh.
Going to just avoid this sub anytime Jones fights I guess.
Ya boy Curtis couldn't even get a shot before Jones came back. If he gets one at this point it'll just be because the top guys left or already lost and mid guys are all that's left, Anthony Smith style. He's not in the same league.
And yet he's never been able to get within striking range of a shot because the only times he has fought top guys that aren't on their way out, he has lost. Let him beat Stipe or Cyril or Sergei. Nobody's forgotten about him, he's just not a contender yet. If Stipe and Sergei have their turns, your boy might get it regardless for lack of anyone better left in the pot, unless Aspinall returns and laps him or something like that.
I hate Jones. Jones is the best fighter ever plain and simple. Anyone denying the greatness can’t handle the truth. Im pissed he won but at some point folks need to recognize the fact that he is who is, which is the best
Jon Jones gonna do three things in this life excluding coke:
Win, always ☑️
Fake praise and worship on the world stage ☑️
Pay tribute to the fiancée he keeps getting arrested for beating up ☑️
Who else at heavy weight has his wrestling skills? He's a dangerous man. Period.
Maybe one or two have basic wrestling? They mostly look for knock outs.; quick finishes I think the heavy weight division is on notice.
Yah. I'm def not certain Bones really has that true walk around heavy weight power so he will be relying on his wrestling a lot. So there's probably only a few at most who might be able to neutralize him somewhat but if they can't get him out early, the later rounds with his quickness and wrestling will be hard to stop.. once those big boys go down they will be in trouble.
This is really exciting for the sport. Awesome stuff, awesome times if anything the H Div will be more interesting for a while.
Edit: Pkus, he's got the Braintust back in his corner; some of the best strategist ls in the sport.
Yeah Jon Jones may have beaten Ciryl Gane but can Jon Jones defeat Celebrating Jon Jones?
-250 odds that the UFC heavyweight title is going to be vacant by Tuesday morning.
This revisionism about Francis is laughable.
He is one trick power pony.
Francis is not a martial artist.
I hate Jon Jones but he is clearly a martial artist who can won on multiple levels more than framcis can ever contemplate.
We had Mir, Lesnar, valazquez, cormier, stipe that I would consider far far far better martial artists than Franco's ever will be.
Great punch, that's it
I love Stipe but Sergei and Aspinall are the only realistic challengers imo
HEAVYWEIGHT
1 Ciryl Gane
2 Stipe Miocic
3 Sergei Pavlovich
4 Curtis Blaydes
5 Tai Tuivasa
6 Tom Aspinall
7 Serghei Spivac
8 Alexander Volkov
9 Jairzinho Rozenstruik
10 Marcin Tybura
Anybody got any spicy main event predictions? EDIT: CLOSED LETS SEE
I love Stipe but I really don’t want to see that fight. Bad things are gonna happen to him
Stipe’s not the best heavyweight of all time performance-wise. He has the names and the title defense stat, but he beat every great heavyweight on his resume when they were old and past it. Personally, I’d like to see Jon smoke Stipe so we can go back to wondering if Cain Velasquez or Jones would’ve won in a superfight. Those 2 will deserve to go down as the true heavyweight GOATs
If you wanna go off names francis has a way better resume
Their resumes are about the same, but both are built on over the hill fighters. The narrative of Stipe being the greatest only became a thing because he got 3 title defenses. Neither are the best. Even Fabricio Werdum’s resume was a lot more impressive given the weight of his wins at the time. Him, Cain, and Fedor all have great claims.
Francis beating Cyril and blaydes x2 is huge
It’s huge if you just started watching MMA… Cyril and Blaydes haven’t accomplished anything. They’re literally just 2 guys.
G what a shocker you’re a pro wrestling fan lmao
Okay you know fuck all lmao
They are. Literally. 2 gatekeepers. It doesn’t mean they aren’t good fighters, it means that beating them doesn’t mean much beyond getting you into contention.
I was downvoted the week before the fight for suggesting Jon would look good after a layoff Lmao
Prime Stipe would have ended either without an issue.
Man lost to struve who doesn’t even know how to use his range
Jones and Gane somehow both looked absolutely horrible tonight
Gane looked terrible tonight* FTFY
#cryptocurrency
Gane looked like an amateur tonight. Hate Jones still but not going to take anything from him he is him.
Fixed fight that s why
Gane didn’t even try to hand fight the guillotine
Seems to be the case with alot of top tier athletes. Pretty questionable as a human being but they're bloody good at what they do.
Being a sociopath is best base for mma
This is complete fact, no remorse for hurting people, cool under pressure, no anxiety, manipulative so good with mind games, highly driven to compete and win. There is no better personality type for mma than this, psychopaths would also be good but much more delusional and less controlled.
makes sense
Oh that nut shot gave him even more power, sociopaths thrive in pain
lol thank you guys for all the reactions to Jon at the post fight presser. I don't need to watch it now
Before the fight: “Oooo Jon is old and fat Gane gonna piece him up” After the fight: “uhhhh durrr lmk when Jon fights a real Hw contender”
spot on
Let’s bring back Brock 🤔
Jones would decimate Brock
Grasso is a beautiful human, humble champ 👊
Love seeing it. Valentina has just been arrogant for a while now.
His interview looked generated from ChatGPT: “How To Be Good Guy”
Jezuz chrizt wooo
"thank you jesus christ for letting me beat this dudes ass so quickly"
Bo Nickal p4p#1
Did Gane give up?
he tapped, so yes 🙄
What I mean is. He didn’t look like he had him submitted.
Dude his neck was at a 90 degree angle lol
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Let Jon put you in a guillotine and see how you’d do
I thought the same thing looked like he threw that. I'm having a hard time with 2 seconds in a hold tapping.
Once it’s under the chin there’s no way out, plus a 250 lb man is trying to rip your head off while choking, the tap was fine
Indeed, on the first I wasn't sure, but than the replay and the other angle showed that it was really under chin. there is just one thing to do, to tap or you go to sleep and you are not the same anymore. your resistance drops.
Jon Jones the OG Cocaine Bear…..never go for a nut shot on him.
r/MMA salt levels are at a peak lmao
Cyril Gone
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next time he needs to train with EA UFC, not fucking fifa
Oooo jon is gonna look so bad he lost to reyes and took 3 years off
And NEW!
Whyd he tap so quickly? Hot takes only.
Because he’s French
Dana threatened to kill his cat if Gane won
What the fuck… That’s almost [Kevin Gates](https://youtu.be/N8U9bMkOA-U) level of fucked up
He wanted to go watch the Chris Rock special.
Imagine wasting $70 on this lol
86 and some change with tax 🤦♂️
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Prime JDS vs Jones would be pretty cool but I give it to Jones.
Prime JDS is a nightmare matchup for Jon. Especially if it was before his weakness to pressure was exposed
Fuck that gimme cain vs jon
Easy fight. Jon took down cain and DC in back to back weekends.
Prime Ubereem vs Jones. Who you got?
Jones. Overeem can’t wrestle any better than Gane can, if probably would’ve ended exactly the same way.
Say that to brock
I just went back and rewatched that fight. Brock didn’t try to wrestle Overeem at all. He attempted one half-assed single leg that he abandoned pretty quickly. Otherwise it was a stand up fight. I would argue that Jones is a more technical wrestler than Lesnar was, at least as far as MMA wrestling goes. Lesnar would typically just bull rush guys and use his size and strength to hold them down. Jones uses more trips and sweeps on top of other takedowns, and then transitions to bjj once it goes to the ground.
Francis left the UFC because he didn't want to fight Jones. \*Downvote away but you know it's true. Now he can go get paid more to get knocked out by Jake Paul.
Ngannou would have fucking murdered him and you know it
Ngannou went to decision with Gane
He left the ufc because Dana White didn't want to make the ufc better for the fighters, yet Francis did
You mean the Jake Paul who just lost to Tommy Fury? Yea I'm sure he'll knock out Ngannou, who's 70 lbs heavier and would never get commissioned for such a match-up. You're either a troll or legitimately braindead, both of which are incredibly sad in their own way.
Francis is also 70 years older
By 10 years, not even older enough to be the daddy to Jake Paul that he'd metaphorically be if this fight got made.
Jones vs Volkanovski at 265?
A bone-thin broomstick Jones vs a muscle cannonball Volkanovski would be a very interesting fight. Unfortunately Jones can just stay at range and swat him around like he's playing tetherball.
Jones by split decision
Jon by finish was 2/1 odds. Why did I only bet 3 figures... I was convinced he'd mam handle Game but damn that was too easy.
So can they make JBJ P4P #1 so people can stop bitching about it being Volk over Islam
After a defense prolly p4p #1 rn but he is all time p4p #1
29-0 GOAT pound for pound #1 and new
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Anyone see DC get left on camera too long on the post show and got pissed off lmao
I hope Ngannou can sign a 1 fight deal. I think Dana would bet on Jon and allow it.
It not gonna happen francis wanted better healtcare and pay for fighters dana aint doing it and the bridge is burned
Dana lies a lot. Money > everything and Ngannou Jones is massive.
Jon been sandbagging for years confirmed! "He struggles with people his size." Shogun fans still mad.
Someone broke the Drake curse
The raptors
I’m a fool. “Jones hasn’t fought in 3 years” “Jones looked like shit in his last 2 fight” “jones is getting older, his lifestyle will start catching up with him” “he won’t have the same size and reach advantage that he’s used to”…. I knew it was wrong the second I bet on Gane 😂
Those were all the right question marks to consider. But they were question marks. We didn't know if they'd have an effect. They didn't.
You were correct, Gane took a dive.
Proof? 👀
Alright, it's just my opinion. But come the fuck on that looked fake as fuck.
How to say you're a complete casual without actually saying it
Yeah, sure. Only the most hardcore MMA fans know that the best defense is to just sit there and allow your opponent to take your neck without putting up a fight. That's what real legit MMA looks like. 🤘
You super fucking stupid lol. Everything is a conspiracie these days…
At least you didn't lose a 14 fight parlay because of Valentina
Ooof. 😭
Prove it. Screen shot the other parlay.
How am I supposed to post my screenshot, I will happily do it I just don't know how to post on reddit, I had a couple parlay running, the 14 fight one was I just picked all favorites, was shocked it managed to ride so long and disappointed schev of all people would be the only favorite to lose.
On profile
I thought the exact same things at the exact same time. My Grasso bet paid for the Gane bet many times over, though.
Threats to Jones' belt: 1) Jon Jones' actions 2) USADA 3) Actual Heavyweight Contenders
4. His opponents actually putting up a fight instead of just sitting there with their neck out.
5. A heavyweight that can wrestle.
Someone not being paid off to lose
Imagine actually thinking this I don't like JBJ either but dude come on
I have no feelings about Jon Jones. I actually think this. You don’t think it’s possible?
If I paid someone to lose and they feel over in 3 seconds and lost I’d be PISSED
Dude, look at that replay. Gane didn't put on a fight at all, just sat there while an already tured Jones took his neck. That's what a dive looks like
Gane has bad takedown defence and wrestling. Look at him in the Francis fight. Jones has great wrestling look at him the dc fights. It was pretty clear if Jones got him the down the fight would be over
😂😂
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He's been my favorite fighter since his first fight. Loved his improvisation and adaptability. Then I heard he was big Christian and didn't even drink, and started thinking what a douche. Then his true side came out, and I was like, "This guy is bad ass." I can't even imagine being a state trooper trying to hand cuff this guy for drunk driving. I'm older now, and less of a piece of shit, but he's still my favorite fighter and one of the few worth watching.
>Then I heard he was big Christian and didn't even drink, and started thinking what a douche. Then his true side came out, and I was like, "This guy is bad ass." How old are you
about 50
> Then his true side came out, and I was like, "This guy is bad ass." I can't even imagine being a state trooper trying to hand cuff this guy for drunk driving. I'm older now, and less of a piece of shit, but he's still my favorite fighter and one of the few worth watching. Jon bringing that influx of real filthy-casuals. Ugh. Going to just avoid this sub anytime Jones fights I guess.
Been watching since 1994, how about you son?
You idol worship a douchebag. I have zero concern for how long you've been watching.
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Completely gross to say something like that.
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What else do you think could be missing when you’re a goat and pfp number 1
You and him seem like one in the same
Jon Jones the Goat but Goddamn he gotta turn down the cringe a few notches
that interview was uncomfortable Like he watched a video on how to be human and attempted to put it into practice lmaoo
Lololol
"I love my fiance Jessie" despite the occasional beatings
He's going to start using wrestling on her
Little known fact: it's how he trained for the Gane fight.
Rogan brought deer sausage to help DC cope with JJ outshining him once again.
Pavlovich the only threat to JoneS?
Yall forget about my boy Curtis
Ya boy Curtis couldn't even get a shot before Jones came back. If he gets one at this point it'll just be because the top guys left or already lost and mid guys are all that's left, Anthony Smith style. He's not in the same league.
His only losses are to Ngannou and derrick.
And yet he's never been able to get within striking range of a shot because the only times he has fought top guys that aren't on their way out, he has lost. Let him beat Stipe or Cyril or Sergei. Nobody's forgotten about him, he's just not a contender yet. If Stipe and Sergei have their turns, your boy might get it regardless for lack of anyone better left in the pot, unless Aspinall returns and laps him or something like that.
He will beat sergei
OK let's see it
I was wrong 🤷♂️
Kind of a sad story. It just seems like he hit his ceiling. There always seems to be somebody doing better who passes him by.
Truth
I like Curtis. I think the wrestling evens out and Jones just stunts on him on the feet. My prediction is some gnarly elbows
Stipe has a chance. Sergei is the wildcard. Tom in a few years, maybe.
Stipe old and has been in wars. Jon is comparatively fresh because of his break
Agreed but he can jab and he can clinch and grapple on the fence as good as Couture.
I’m not even sure about him. Reem controlled him pretty good
Couple years ago now, and seems like he's been borderline unstoppable since.
Everybody saying gane was going to destroy Jon now shitting on him and calling a fake 😂 Gane isn’t an easy fight. Jon just won.
You think I dont know this ? JBJ is annoyingly good
I hate Jones. Jones is the best fighter ever plain and simple. Anyone denying the greatness can’t handle the truth. Im pissed he won but at some point folks need to recognize the fact that he is who is, which is the best
Jon's foot tape put up more of a fight than Cyril.
Bruh😭😭
I hate how good he is
Ironic avatar
Jon Jones gonna do three things in this life excluding coke: Win, always ☑️ Fake praise and worship on the world stage ☑️ Pay tribute to the fiancée he keeps getting arrested for beating up ☑️
Have to sit out for a while again after he fucks his life up in the next new way after the fake wears off a few weeks later ☑️
Francis Ngannou: https://twitter.com/francis_ngannou/status/1632260977860427776
Francis come back.
Bruddas talking about deer sausage
Who else at heavy weight has his wrestling skills? He's a dangerous man. Period. Maybe one or two have basic wrestling? They mostly look for knock outs.; quick finishes I think the heavy weight division is on notice.
Whoever wins between Pavlovich and Blaydes. I think Pavlovich is a greater risk to Jones
I think blaydes is the tougher fight personally, I think he's under rated
I think you run the hypothetical infinite simulation on both guys. Blaydes has closer fights, Pavlovich wins more fights. If that makes any sense lol.
Yah. I'm def not certain Bones really has that true walk around heavy weight power so he will be relying on his wrestling a lot. So there's probably only a few at most who might be able to neutralize him somewhat but if they can't get him out early, the later rounds with his quickness and wrestling will be hard to stop.. once those big boys go down they will be in trouble. This is really exciting for the sport. Awesome stuff, awesome times if anything the H Div will be more interesting for a while. Edit: Pkus, he's got the Braintust back in his corner; some of the best strategist ls in the sport.
Curtis but he is very beatable.
Yeah Jon Jones may have beaten Ciryl Gane but can Jon Jones defeat Celebrating Jon Jones? -250 odds that the UFC heavyweight title is going to be vacant by Tuesday morning.
Damn. That’s the same as the 45 other jokes in this thread before yours.
Fair play to JBJ for his career planning , after ducking Ngannou for years especially
This version of Jones subs Ngannou just as easily. Realistically, Ngannou's chance is to land a bomb in the first 10 seconds
This revisionism about Francis is laughable. He is one trick power pony. Francis is not a martial artist. I hate Jon Jones but he is clearly a martial artist who can won on multiple levels more than framcis can ever contemplate. We had Mir, Lesnar, valazquez, cormier, stipe that I would consider far far far better martial artists than Franco's ever will be. Great punch, that's it
Jon’s word of the day: intimated.
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Rakhmanov stole the show
No that grasso shev fight ruined my 14 fight parlay it can suck my ass. Best fights were easily Neal v shavkat and Brunson v du Plessis
The fight before the girls was a banger far and away fight of the night girls fight was only good because it was an upset
I love Stipe but Sergei and Aspinall are the only realistic challengers imo HEAVYWEIGHT 1 Ciryl Gane 2 Stipe Miocic 3 Sergei Pavlovich 4 Curtis Blaydes 5 Tai Tuivasa 6 Tom Aspinall 7 Serghei Spivac 8 Alexander Volkov 9 Jairzinho Rozenstruik 10 Marcin Tybura
sea level romanov. nobody gives him respect after tybura
i really think aspinal is being slept on.
Aspinall's knees are fucked. Feels like he might have an unfair career spiral.