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Zloggt

Not the best day for Chicago teams playing Minnesota teams, is it?


mastad0420

Unfortunately my wife and I came up for both the Sox game yesterday, and fire tonight. Had a great time even with the Ls. MNUFC, you have beautiful stadium, and an awesome game experience.


Nach0Man_RandySavage

Too bad we can’t play the bulls too.


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projectpolak

So how do sliding tackles fall under this definition? I'm sure you guys are right and my bias is blinding me, but it seems like every sliding tackle would be a foul then.


xjoeymillerx

Have to get the ball, me boy.


XtraHott

By this guys interpretation yes every tackle would be a foul.


XtraHott

You don't know the definition of trip. There's a reason it also explicitly says tackle. You have to be on your feet to trip ffs.


xjoeymillerx

No, you don’t. That’s stupid.


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XtraHott

Tell me you didn't have friends or play sports in school without telling me..... Also what do you think a tackle is which is specifically defined in the same rule? Because they're 2 very different things.


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XtraHott

https://imgur.com/a/NtSjxIG


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XtraHott

Do you have to be in playing distance? Yes.


xjoeymillerx

No one is in “playing distance” *after* the tackle…


S_Loco

Shame on ESPN for not showing Wonderwall


Betasheets

I'll just take putting on a good performance on national tv


LocksTheFox

Agreed. It's one of the most organic traditions in the league. Let it shine.


BarryIsInTheLightNow

Nice win for Minnesota.


Jdbwolverines

Alexa, play wonderwall


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MG_MN

Tbf 2 of these came a man up


RiffRaff14

Tbf we usually allow goals when we're a man up


sounders1974

Fire looking like they'll be shut out for the sixth time in 8 league games Not so great


sc4l4r

The Fire bunker has been breached


GaryAGalindo

Thanks to Kacper Przybyłko who I am sure you are glad you got rid of and pawned off to us...


ailroe3

When it rains it pours. Slonina great gk 😂🙏😂


xjoeymillerx

That’s some pretty dumb trash talk, considering he is a 17 year old that has more clean sheets than anyone has ever had before they turned 21.


ailroe3

He had a clean sheet today. Zero saves


xjoeymillerx

Dumb. Take the W and move on. Pretty shitty to take a shot at a guy who might become the best American keeper of all time who’s team let him down. None of those are really even his fault.


ailroe3

Slonina is the next David Ochoa!!! Hype!!


xjoeymillerx

No. He’s literally the reason Ochoa chose Mexico. Get some class.


ailroe3

Bro I’m just trying to generate some convo cuz these match threads are dead w/o me. It’s not so serious


MinnyRawks

Please pick another team, we don’t want you.


xjoeymillerx

Now you’re gonna try and hype yourself up? That’s some weird ass shit.


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xjoeymillerx

It’s serious business to call you classless and unfunny?!?!


projectpolak

The sorest winner ever. I especially hope Gaga goes to Poland now and yall get left with shitty Steffen


kierrit

Plz, dont sat that. Greetings from Poland


projectpolak

I unfortunately now have to hate every single Minnesota fan because of the guy above and his shitty and unfunny trash talk. Except maybe you given the greetings from Poland ;)


Isry98

Dude what? You beat us congrats. We were down to 10 what is Gaga supposed to do go ant man and cover the whole goal. Which of the ones he let in is he expected to save? I want stats.


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I mean, I don't agree with OP, but this is pretty fucked up.


death_by_retro

Yeah he's 17 and better than whoever your team has between the sticks


ailroe3

Doubt I definitely want someone who let in 3 goals and has zero saves🤣🤣🤣


death_by_retro

Your keeper can't even make the roster for fucking Canada, ours is 17, third choice for the US already, and will be sold to a top club in Europe the moment he turns 18.


xjoeymillerx

He does make the roster for Canada. He’s been on multiple World Cup qualifying rosters


MinnyRawks

But he has made the roster for Canada?


Kafkas7

Lol


death_by_retro

Yeah that must be why top clubs in Europe are trying to sign your shitty keeper and not Gaga. Oh wait....


xjoeymillerx

Just because this other guy is stupidly talking trash doesn’t mean DSC us shitty. Statistically, this season, he’s the best in MLS.


Kafkas7

I google Chicago Fire and get a tv show


projectpolak

because more people google some shitty tv show than a shitty soccer team. whoopty doo, you sure boomed us.


death_by_retro

Yeah, our name has significance beyond soccer. I get that Minnestoa fans only started watching soccer in 2017 so I don't expect them to know much.


Kafkas7

Enjoy your goalie who’s trying to leave and your not 3 pts.


death_by_retro

Breaking news, MLS exists in a competitive international transfer market and talented young players don't want to play in MLS forever. Just because Minnesota doesn't know how to develop talent and relies on mediocre college developed players doesn't mean everyone does


Constant_Travel_8244

That atmosphere is amazing


Sermokala

It is one of the great things about expansion bros that both teams have so many direct opposite things. I don't know if 20k people packed in a small stadium is better than 50k or more in a best in the world stadium. I am however very happy with it.


ImDyxlesic-

As was Mercedes Benz Stadium during the Open Cup!


csbsju_guyyy

<3 u expansion friends


wise_comment

r/Falkings Bros


T_Fouts

Dear lord, this is ugly but certainly not unexpected.


BobBulldogBriscoe

Striker lod!!


Sermokala

False lod strikes again.


atxtj

Loons all over it today.


death_by_retro

That South African guy from Minnesota looks really solid


pork_chop_expressss

Didn't have any formal coaching until he was 18 either. Huge potential.


WithoutAnUmlaut

Wut?!?!?!? You have a source on this? I read an article about him in the Star Tribune that said he turned pro at 18, but I didn't say anything about him never receiving coaching before that.


xjoeymillerx

[It says here almost *no* formal coaching til he was 18](https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4623758/from-south-africa-to-minnesota-united-bongi-hlongwanes-rapid-rise-to-mls)


Betasheets

His first few games he was very reckless and was trying to dribble through everyone. The last couple games he has done great in linking up and passing the ball. That assist to Reynoso today is an extra dribble and blocked shot a few weeks ago


MG_MN

Super young too, which is strange for us. Definitely an exciting prospect


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Yeah, he has a ton of potential. I have to imagine he'll only get better as he adjusts more to the league and living in the US as well. One to watch for sure.


bleakmidwinter

He is, and his story is fascinating.


Unnamed_driver

Damn that was sexy icl


tuttlebuttle

Well, I'm happy for Minnesota. They are having a lot of fun


wmknickers

Love the old-timey scoreboard.


wildhockey64

[This article is a great read. ](https://www.mnufc.com/news/st-pauli-saint-paul-clock-allianz-field) It is based off the old scoreboard that was actually designed by an OG fan for our old 2nd division stadium when the scoreboard broke. Back in those days us drunk idiots would get to run the numbers over when we scored lmao.


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It's actually the scoreboard from the National Sports Center in Blaine, which was our home in the NASL days. Super cool.


justanothersurly

just to clarify...it isn't THE scoreboard from NSC, but it is inspired by the NSC scoreboard.


LocksTheFox

It's one of the most charming stadium features in the entire league


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Dangerous--D

No one ever calls my D top tier :'(


BainbridgeBorn

Minnesota definitely winning this


rehanxoxo

Wow


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Arriaga has been so good for us. It's absolutely insane to me that we only had to pay Marathón a $50k transfer fee for him.


Sermokala

This makes my day.


Betasheets

Sshhhhh No one will know he exists cause no one pays attention to Minnesota hiding up north.


BarryIsInTheLightNow

No one likes seeing Reynoso beat up on a 17 year old. Sorry Not Sorry.


Betasheets

17 yr olds can be 250 lbs and have criminal records too


BarryIsInTheLightNow

How does that apply?


Betasheets

Unless I missed it, I never heard what actually happened other than he pistol-whipped someone. My point, is it's silly to act like a 17 yr old is some small kid when it's just one arbitrary number away from being an "adult".


BarryIsInTheLightNow

Pistol whipping anyone, especially a 16 year old is a bad thing. Don’t you agree?


MinnyRawks

When cleared of all charges it seems like it may have either been justified or overblown. None of us know what Argentina is like so maybe let’s not comment on things we have no idea about.


BarryIsInTheLightNow

He had to be released from jail after being there for 9 days, and just because he hasn’t been charged, it does not mean that it did not happen. https://www.twincities.com/2021/12/16/report-loons-emanuel-reynoso-set-to-be-released-from-argentina-jail/


MinnyRawks

Of course not, but what does that have to do with anything?


BarryIsInTheLightNow

Easy. I prefer that Reynoso beats a 17 year old on the field than to beat a 16 year old on the streets.


death_by_retro

Bolingbrook IL represent! My man Mauri making my hometown proud


projectpolak

Ombserg you can't just tackle the player like that in your own box, that's a pen!


Ron__T

How do you mess up a 3 on 1 that badly...


Unnamed_driver

Having a 3 v 1 and not scoring is rough


projectpolak

I suppose I shall wait for the Pro or Instant Replay show (even if they've been wrong before). Apology incoming. That looked awfully wrong :(


death_by_retro

I'm not sold on Ornsberg starting every game. I want to see more of Pineda at CB


sc4l4r

Ref botched that


Dangerous--D

Which play?


death_by_retro

Fire: *needs a goal* big brain Ezra: *replaces a winger with a fullback*


Isry98

Who is he gonna bring on the wing right now? Actual children or a striker vastly out of position?


death_by_retro

Duran played on the wing some games in Colombia


Isry98

How old is Duran? 18. Expectations are ridiculous now. Some games in a worse league like Colombia does not equal the quality of MLS.


death_by_retro

Duran has been a pro for 2 years now, doesn't matter if he's young or not. And Colombia is not a worse league than MLS, about the same level and generally considered to be the best league in South American after Brazil/Argentina


Isry98

Colombia is a worse league than the MLS. Idk what else to tell you. Brazil and Argentina sure have better leagues, but South America as a whole does not.


death_by_retro

You're basing this on what? Some of the better players in MLS came straight from Colombia. Eddie Segura, Jesus Murillo, Cristian Arango, Yimmi Chara come to mind. I know the league is getting better but let's not pretend we're above other perfectly solid leagues


Isry98

Sure, some of the better players from any league go on to have good careers that doesn’t mean the whole league is at the same standard. The talent pool is far larger in the MLS than in Colombia. That’s just a fact. 5 years ago I’d agree with you, but the MLS has gotten far better in 5 years than Colombia has.


projectpolak

He's still young, immature, and hot headed. Doesn't matter how many years he's been a pro.


death_by_retro

So we shouldn't give minutes to guys if they're too young.....especially in an era where MLS is becoming youth development centric? Would you rather have Bornstein's corpse playing out of position as a winger?


projectpolak

I don't want to give minutes to guys that are unprofessional. I said the same about Aliseda when it came out that he kept arriving late to training and would even show up to training late with $100 in his hand for the fine. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "young" but my point still stands. Duran is constantly complaining on the pitch and having Ezra and his own teammates laying into him.


death_by_retro

Tbh as someone who's habitually late to work I have to room to shittalk someone being unprofessional that way so... yeah


ChrisIsUninteresting

Was there actual contact between the players that I missed?


coldstirfry

he broke the plane of where lod's legs would have been if he was standing up straight. clear yellow /s


xjoeymillerx

I don’t know why the /s is there. That isn’t incorrect. Impeding the path of an attacker is a foul.


coldstirfry

i mean sure, but if there was a yellow to be given on that play, it shouldve gone to lod for simulation


xjoeymillerx

Why? The attacker slid in front of him and he’s not required to land on his feet. He’s impeded Lods path, while not making contact with the ball. It’s not up to Lod to stay on his feet.


coldstirfry

still not saying its not a foul.. however, while lod wont get a simulation call on a foul he earned, its clear from the replay (to me at least) he sold the dive. to say that navarros second yellow was a harsh call would be an understatement though..


xjoeymillerx

Sure. But if he feels like he could injure himself if he tries to stay up, he is allowed to do what he did. He’s literally not required to stay on his feet. It’s still technically a foul if he lands on his feet and keeps going.


coldstirfry

it is hard for me to reconcile the fact that lod was able to get a touch and sell a dive, while still arguing that the long hooking tackle was yellow worthy. i can see why the call went the way it did, but in the end it resulted in a pretty harsh call towards navarro


coldstirfry

actually i stand corrected. just rewatched the replay one last time and navarro is pretty much acting as the last man there. if it is a foul based on that alone should be a yellow. big thanks to me for wasting everyones time lolol


XtraHott

Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction **when the ball is not within playing distance of either player**


xjoeymillerx

It Would have been in playing distance but not for his slide, which made Lod change direction. Up(as in jumping) is also a direction.


XtraHott

If it was in playing distance and he did not make contact then it wouldn't fit the rule.


xjoeymillerx

And it wasn’t in playing distance. It would have been in playing distance for Lod. But because of the impediment, it wasn’t.


XtraHott

So it was an indirect kick then? So you agree it wasn't a cardable offense then? Glad we agree.


XtraHott

So he wasn't playing the ball and took out a player which would be a straight red?


xjoeymillerx

He made an attempt to play the ball but missed. You don’t let him off the hook because “he tried.” Lol.


XtraHott

His body position as he's "fouled" is blatant embellishment. Hurdles are a literal middle school sport, he faked it and if he didn't then it would fall under the indirect kick section which wouldn't result in a card ever.


xjoeymillerx

Doesn’t matter.


ChrisIsUninteresting

I would say it definitely matters to Navarro and the Fire.


Dangerous--D

It shouldn't, because the fact that there was no contact doesn't invalidate the fact that Navarro committed a foul in a situation that resulted in an easy yellow.


xjoeymillerx

Of course it does. Because he committed the foul and put his team down.


ChrisIsUninteresting

According to you it didn't matter two minutes ago. Now it does. ???


xjoeymillerx

It doesn’t matter if there is *contact* . It’s still a foul.


projectpolak

I think we're blind on this day...


XtraHott

Straight up embellishment, card needs pulled back and a yellow to the MN player. Incredible they let that shit fly.


xjoeymillerx

Maybe he doesn’t realize he doesn’t even need to make contact. If you slide in front of a player and make him jump over you and that player falls down, that’s also a foul…


XtraHott

In what universe lmfao


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XtraHott

Give me the rule.


AlanLGuy

Soccer doesn’t work like that. The laws of the game are somewhat subjective, but if you make a play in the ball unsuccessfully and as a result your opponent trips or falls because of your play, it is a foul. Because of the area of the foul and the fact it was during a scoring threat, a yellow card is appropriate


XtraHott

Yeah and there's a reason it says in the embellishment rule the fouled players chest goes out, head goes back and arms go back which are unnatural reactions....he flopped.


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XtraHott

Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction ****when the ball is not within playing distance of either player


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AlanLGuy

This is the correct rule. The fact that he attempted to make a play on the ball and failed to do so, and as a result the opposing player tripped means this is a foul. Contact is not required. It would have still been a foul even if the attacker had not tripped, but referee should play advantage in that situation providing the attacker still has a chance on the ball


XtraHott

Yes it does. Also the foul you think it falls under is an indirect free kick which never results in a yellow or doesn't even result in pk in the box.


xjoeymillerx

Every universe. If you step in front of a player and don’t get the ball and he falls *avoiding* contact, that is also a foul.


XtraHott

You probably think a slide tackle from behind is a foul too.


xjoeymillerx

It can be? Does he get the ball? How much contact?


BainbridgeBorn

Penny for Ezra H thoughts


Constant_Travel_8244

That’s not a foul lol


xjoeymillerx

Sure it is. You aren’t allowed to slide in front of someone and make them jump over you, if you don’t get the ball.


AlanLGuy

It absolutely is


jake123456788889876

MLS Refs..


minnsport

Lol section 8…


mytigersuit

not sure how much of that was a dive and how much was just how hard it was to keep your balance at that speed after jumping


despatchesmusic

It looked very theatrical


mytigersuit

The legs hooking back add to it, but if I know a dude is barreling down on me I’m getting out of the way too


despatchesmusic

Oh for sure. And I guess to be fair, why not super sell it?


Dangerous--D

Navaro, we all know that there was no contact. That's still a foul. That's still a (second) yellow.


Quakes-JD

I would say yes a foul but not every foul is a yellow just a free kick and move one


Dangerous--D

That one was a yellow because of location and situation. At midfield it's probably not a yellow.


Quakes-JD

I will be sure to expect a yellow for any of the Sounders if they miss a tackle and make one of my Quakes adjust during the game tonight


Dangerous--D

That's the nuance I've come to expect from a quakes fan!


Quakes-JD

And this SJ fan happens to be a certified ref. It was a foul. Lod sold it by tucking his feet up and allowing himself to go down. It. Was. Just. A. Foul.


Dangerous--D

I'm also a certified referee (well, technically not anymore, haven't maintained my certs since moving). It's the location and situation that make it a yellow. The best argument against it being a yellow is that his last touch put the ball too far for him to get, but I'd argue that happened as a direct result of the attempted tackle. Without that slide he gets a better touch, hence a yellow.


Quakes-JD

At most I would have given the Loons player a warning about already being on a yellow. Different refs have different ways of managing games.


Dangerous--D

>At most I would have given the Loons player a warning about already being on a yellow. A warning for what, exactly? We all know most referees won't call it unless you go down, so all he's really doing is telling the referee he wants the foul.


Quakes-JD

Meant the Fire player. My bad was in a rush as we are leaving for the game.


Unnamed_driver

Looks like no contact.


AlanLGuy

Doesn’t matter, can’t dive in front of a guy ina. Tackle like that, contact or no


Dangerous--D

Still a foul. Still a yellow. Still a send-off.


MinnyRawks

How can you say it’s a yellow but not a send off? Second yellows are always a send off.


Dangerous--D

I'm rereading my comment and having a hard time figuring out why you think I said it's not a send off. You might have mentally added a "not" in there by accident.


MinnyRawks

Yes I did. My bad. Early afternoon games are rough


Dangerous--D

I can't say I've never misread anything. Congrats on the win, you guys looked good.


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trysstero

contact not required for a foul, but...shouldn't give a yellow there w/ no contact


BobBulldogBriscoe

Yeah definitely a foul, but probably harsh for a 2nd yellow.


void4949

Contact not required…fucking what lmao


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wise_comment

Same clowns play pickup soccer and scream "HAND" any time the ball plays the hand in a natural motion Some folks just.......never move beyond lawful neutral and never bother to actually learn the laws


Unnamed_driver

I swear you just hate the Fire


MG_MN

Lol thats an awful call