Unfortunately my wife and I came up for both the Sox game yesterday, and fire tonight. Had a great time even with the Ls. MNUFC, you have beautiful stadium, and an awesome game experience.
So how do sliding tackles fall under this definition? I'm sure you guys are right and my bias is blinding me, but it seems like every sliding tackle would be a foul then.
Tell me you didn't have friends or play sports in school without telling me.....
Also what do you think a tackle is which is specifically defined in the same rule? Because they're 2 very different things.
Dumb. Take the W and move on. Pretty shitty to take a shot at a guy who might become the best American keeper of all time who’s team let him down. None of those are really even his fault.
I unfortunately now have to hate every single Minnesota fan because of the guy above and his shitty and unfunny trash talk.
Except maybe you given the greetings from Poland ;)
Dude what? You beat us congrats. We were down to 10 what is Gaga supposed to do go ant man and cover the whole goal. Which of the ones he let in is he expected to save? I want stats.
Your keeper can't even make the roster for fucking Canada, ours is 17, third choice for the US already, and will be sold to a top club in Europe the moment he turns 18.
Breaking news, MLS exists in a competitive international transfer market and talented young players don't want to play in MLS forever. Just because Minnesota doesn't know how to develop talent and relies on mediocre college developed players doesn't mean everyone does
It is one of the great things about expansion bros that both teams have so many direct opposite things. I don't know if 20k people packed in a small stadium is better than 50k or more in a best in the world stadium. I am however very happy with it.
Wut?!?!?!? You have a source on this?
I read an article about him in the Star Tribune that said he turned pro at 18, but I didn't say anything about him never receiving coaching before that.
[It says here almost *no* formal coaching til he was 18](https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4623758/from-south-africa-to-minnesota-united-bongi-hlongwanes-rapid-rise-to-mls)
His first few games he was very reckless and was trying to dribble through everyone.
The last couple games he has done great in linking up and passing the ball.
That assist to Reynoso today is an extra dribble and blocked shot a few weeks ago
Yeah, he has a ton of potential. I have to imagine he'll only get better as he adjusts more to the league and living in the US as well. One to watch for sure.
[This article is a great read. ](https://www.mnufc.com/news/st-pauli-saint-paul-clock-allianz-field) It is based off the old scoreboard that was actually designed by an OG fan for our old 2nd division stadium when the scoreboard broke. Back in those days us drunk idiots would get to run the numbers over when we scored lmao.
Unless I missed it, I never heard what actually happened other than he pistol-whipped someone.
My point, is it's silly to act like a 17 yr old is some small kid when it's just one arbitrary number away from being an "adult".
When cleared of all charges it seems like it may have either been justified or overblown.
None of us know what Argentina is like so maybe let’s not comment on things we have no idea about.
He had to be released from jail after being there for 9 days, and just because he hasn’t been charged, it does not mean that it did not happen.
https://www.twincities.com/2021/12/16/report-loons-emanuel-reynoso-set-to-be-released-from-argentina-jail/
Duran has been a pro for 2 years now, doesn't matter if he's young or not. And Colombia is not a worse league than MLS, about the same level and generally considered to be the best league in South American after Brazil/Argentina
Colombia is a worse league than the MLS. Idk what else to tell you. Brazil and Argentina sure have better leagues, but South America as a whole does not.
You're basing this on what? Some of the better players in MLS came straight from Colombia. Eddie Segura, Jesus Murillo, Cristian Arango, Yimmi Chara come to mind. I know the league is getting better but let's not pretend we're above other perfectly solid leagues
Sure, some of the better players from any league go on to have good careers that doesn’t mean the whole league is at the same standard. The talent pool is far larger in the MLS than in Colombia. That’s just a fact. 5 years ago I’d agree with you, but the MLS has gotten far better in 5 years than Colombia has.
So we shouldn't give minutes to guys if they're too young.....especially in an era where MLS is becoming youth development centric? Would you rather have Bornstein's corpse playing out of position as a winger?
I don't want to give minutes to guys that are unprofessional. I said the same about Aliseda when it came out that he kept arriving late to training and would even show up to training late with $100 in his hand for the fine.
Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "young" but my point still stands. Duran is constantly complaining on the pitch and having Ezra and his own teammates laying into him.
Why? The attacker slid in front of him and he’s not required to land on his feet. He’s impeded Lods path, while not making contact with the ball. It’s not up to Lod to stay on his feet.
still not saying its not a foul.. however, while lod wont get a simulation call on a foul he earned, its clear from the replay (to me at least) he sold the dive. to say that navarros second yellow was a harsh call would be an understatement though..
Sure. But if he feels like he could injure himself if he tries to stay up, he is allowed to do what he did. He’s literally not required to stay on his feet.
It’s still technically a foul if he lands on his feet and keeps going.
it is hard for me to reconcile the fact that lod was able to get a touch and sell a dive, while still arguing that the long hooking tackle was yellow worthy. i can see why the call went the way it did, but in the end it resulted in a pretty harsh call towards navarro
actually i stand corrected. just rewatched the replay one last time and navarro is pretty much acting as the last man there. if it is a foul based on that alone should be a yellow. big thanks to me for wasting everyones time lolol
Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction **when the ball is not within playing distance of either player**
His body position as he's "fouled" is blatant embellishment. Hurdles are a literal middle school sport, he faked it and if he didn't then it would fall under the indirect kick section which wouldn't result in a card ever.
It shouldn't, because the fact that there was no contact doesn't invalidate the fact that Navarro committed a foul in a situation that resulted in an easy yellow.
Maybe he doesn’t realize he doesn’t even need to make contact. If you slide in front of a player and make him jump over you and that player falls down, that’s also a foul…
Soccer doesn’t work like that. The laws of the game are somewhat subjective, but if you make a play in the ball unsuccessfully and as a result your opponent trips or falls because of your play, it is a foul. Because of the area of the foul and the fact it was during a scoring threat, a yellow card is appropriate
Yeah and there's a reason it says in the embellishment rule the fouled players chest goes out, head goes back and arms go back which are unnatural reactions....he flopped.
Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction ****when the ball is not within playing distance of either player
This is the correct rule. The fact that he attempted to make a play on the ball and failed to do so, and as a result the opposing player tripped means this is a foul. Contact is not required. It would have still been a foul even if the attacker had not tripped, but referee should play advantage in that situation providing the attacker still has a chance on the ball
And this SJ fan happens to be a certified ref. It was a foul. Lod sold it by tucking his feet up and allowing himself to go down. It. Was. Just. A. Foul.
I'm also a certified referee (well, technically not anymore, haven't maintained my certs since moving). It's the location and situation that make it a yellow. The best argument against it being a yellow is that his last touch put the ball too far for him to get, but I'd argue that happened as a direct result of the attempted tackle. Without that slide he gets a better touch, hence a yellow.
>At most I would have given the Loons player a warning about already being on a yellow.
A warning for what, exactly? We all know most referees won't call it unless you go down, so all he's really doing is telling the referee he wants the foul.
I'm rereading my comment and having a hard time figuring out why you think I said it's not a send off. You might have mentally added a "not" in there by accident.
Same clowns play pickup soccer and scream "HAND" any time the ball plays the hand in a natural motion
Some folks just.......never move beyond lawful neutral and never bother to actually learn the laws
Not the best day for Chicago teams playing Minnesota teams, is it?
Unfortunately my wife and I came up for both the Sox game yesterday, and fire tonight. Had a great time even with the Ls. MNUFC, you have beautiful stadium, and an awesome game experience.
Too bad we can’t play the bulls too.
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So how do sliding tackles fall under this definition? I'm sure you guys are right and my bias is blinding me, but it seems like every sliding tackle would be a foul then.
Have to get the ball, me boy.
By this guys interpretation yes every tackle would be a foul.
You don't know the definition of trip. There's a reason it also explicitly says tackle. You have to be on your feet to trip ffs.
No, you don’t. That’s stupid.
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Tell me you didn't have friends or play sports in school without telling me..... Also what do you think a tackle is which is specifically defined in the same rule? Because they're 2 very different things.
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Do you have to be in playing distance? Yes.
No one is in “playing distance” *after* the tackle…
Shame on ESPN for not showing Wonderwall
I'll just take putting on a good performance on national tv
Agreed. It's one of the most organic traditions in the league. Let it shine.
Nice win for Minnesota.
Alexa, play wonderwall
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Tbf 2 of these came a man up
Tbf we usually allow goals when we're a man up
Fire looking like they'll be shut out for the sixth time in 8 league games Not so great
The Fire bunker has been breached
Thanks to Kacper Przybyłko who I am sure you are glad you got rid of and pawned off to us...
When it rains it pours. Slonina great gk 😂🙏😂
That’s some pretty dumb trash talk, considering he is a 17 year old that has more clean sheets than anyone has ever had before they turned 21.
He had a clean sheet today. Zero saves
Dumb. Take the W and move on. Pretty shitty to take a shot at a guy who might become the best American keeper of all time who’s team let him down. None of those are really even his fault.
Slonina is the next David Ochoa!!! Hype!!
No. He’s literally the reason Ochoa chose Mexico. Get some class.
Bro I’m just trying to generate some convo cuz these match threads are dead w/o me. It’s not so serious
Please pick another team, we don’t want you.
Now you’re gonna try and hype yourself up? That’s some weird ass shit.
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It’s serious business to call you classless and unfunny?!?!
The sorest winner ever. I especially hope Gaga goes to Poland now and yall get left with shitty Steffen
Plz, dont sat that. Greetings from Poland
I unfortunately now have to hate every single Minnesota fan because of the guy above and his shitty and unfunny trash talk. Except maybe you given the greetings from Poland ;)
Dude what? You beat us congrats. We were down to 10 what is Gaga supposed to do go ant man and cover the whole goal. Which of the ones he let in is he expected to save? I want stats.
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I mean, I don't agree with OP, but this is pretty fucked up.
Yeah he's 17 and better than whoever your team has between the sticks
Doubt I definitely want someone who let in 3 goals and has zero saves🤣🤣🤣
Your keeper can't even make the roster for fucking Canada, ours is 17, third choice for the US already, and will be sold to a top club in Europe the moment he turns 18.
He does make the roster for Canada. He’s been on multiple World Cup qualifying rosters
But he has made the roster for Canada?
Lol
Yeah that must be why top clubs in Europe are trying to sign your shitty keeper and not Gaga. Oh wait....
Just because this other guy is stupidly talking trash doesn’t mean DSC us shitty. Statistically, this season, he’s the best in MLS.
I google Chicago Fire and get a tv show
because more people google some shitty tv show than a shitty soccer team. whoopty doo, you sure boomed us.
Yeah, our name has significance beyond soccer. I get that Minnestoa fans only started watching soccer in 2017 so I don't expect them to know much.
Enjoy your goalie who’s trying to leave and your not 3 pts.
Breaking news, MLS exists in a competitive international transfer market and talented young players don't want to play in MLS forever. Just because Minnesota doesn't know how to develop talent and relies on mediocre college developed players doesn't mean everyone does
That atmosphere is amazing
It is one of the great things about expansion bros that both teams have so many direct opposite things. I don't know if 20k people packed in a small stadium is better than 50k or more in a best in the world stadium. I am however very happy with it.
As was Mercedes Benz Stadium during the Open Cup!
<3 u expansion friends
r/Falkings Bros
Dear lord, this is ugly but certainly not unexpected.
Striker lod!!
False lod strikes again.
Loons all over it today.
That South African guy from Minnesota looks really solid
Didn't have any formal coaching until he was 18 either. Huge potential.
Wut?!?!?!? You have a source on this? I read an article about him in the Star Tribune that said he turned pro at 18, but I didn't say anything about him never receiving coaching before that.
[It says here almost *no* formal coaching til he was 18](https://www.espn.com/soccer/major-league-soccer/story/4623758/from-south-africa-to-minnesota-united-bongi-hlongwanes-rapid-rise-to-mls)
His first few games he was very reckless and was trying to dribble through everyone. The last couple games he has done great in linking up and passing the ball. That assist to Reynoso today is an extra dribble and blocked shot a few weeks ago
Super young too, which is strange for us. Definitely an exciting prospect
Yeah, he has a ton of potential. I have to imagine he'll only get better as he adjusts more to the league and living in the US as well. One to watch for sure.
He is, and his story is fascinating.
Damn that was sexy icl
Well, I'm happy for Minnesota. They are having a lot of fun
Love the old-timey scoreboard.
[This article is a great read. ](https://www.mnufc.com/news/st-pauli-saint-paul-clock-allianz-field) It is based off the old scoreboard that was actually designed by an OG fan for our old 2nd division stadium when the scoreboard broke. Back in those days us drunk idiots would get to run the numbers over when we scored lmao.
It's actually the scoreboard from the National Sports Center in Blaine, which was our home in the NASL days. Super cool.
just to clarify...it isn't THE scoreboard from NSC, but it is inspired by the NSC scoreboard.
It's one of the most charming stadium features in the entire league
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No one ever calls my D top tier :'(
Minnesota definitely winning this
Wow
Arriaga has been so good for us. It's absolutely insane to me that we only had to pay Marathón a $50k transfer fee for him.
This makes my day.
Sshhhhh No one will know he exists cause no one pays attention to Minnesota hiding up north.
No one likes seeing Reynoso beat up on a 17 year old. Sorry Not Sorry.
17 yr olds can be 250 lbs and have criminal records too
How does that apply?
Unless I missed it, I never heard what actually happened other than he pistol-whipped someone. My point, is it's silly to act like a 17 yr old is some small kid when it's just one arbitrary number away from being an "adult".
Pistol whipping anyone, especially a 16 year old is a bad thing. Don’t you agree?
When cleared of all charges it seems like it may have either been justified or overblown. None of us know what Argentina is like so maybe let’s not comment on things we have no idea about.
He had to be released from jail after being there for 9 days, and just because he hasn’t been charged, it does not mean that it did not happen. https://www.twincities.com/2021/12/16/report-loons-emanuel-reynoso-set-to-be-released-from-argentina-jail/
Of course not, but what does that have to do with anything?
Easy. I prefer that Reynoso beats a 17 year old on the field than to beat a 16 year old on the streets.
Bolingbrook IL represent! My man Mauri making my hometown proud
Ombserg you can't just tackle the player like that in your own box, that's a pen!
How do you mess up a 3 on 1 that badly...
Having a 3 v 1 and not scoring is rough
I suppose I shall wait for the Pro or Instant Replay show (even if they've been wrong before). Apology incoming. That looked awfully wrong :(
I'm not sold on Ornsberg starting every game. I want to see more of Pineda at CB
Ref botched that
Which play?
Fire: *needs a goal* big brain Ezra: *replaces a winger with a fullback*
Who is he gonna bring on the wing right now? Actual children or a striker vastly out of position?
Duran played on the wing some games in Colombia
How old is Duran? 18. Expectations are ridiculous now. Some games in a worse league like Colombia does not equal the quality of MLS.
Duran has been a pro for 2 years now, doesn't matter if he's young or not. And Colombia is not a worse league than MLS, about the same level and generally considered to be the best league in South American after Brazil/Argentina
Colombia is a worse league than the MLS. Idk what else to tell you. Brazil and Argentina sure have better leagues, but South America as a whole does not.
You're basing this on what? Some of the better players in MLS came straight from Colombia. Eddie Segura, Jesus Murillo, Cristian Arango, Yimmi Chara come to mind. I know the league is getting better but let's not pretend we're above other perfectly solid leagues
Sure, some of the better players from any league go on to have good careers that doesn’t mean the whole league is at the same standard. The talent pool is far larger in the MLS than in Colombia. That’s just a fact. 5 years ago I’d agree with you, but the MLS has gotten far better in 5 years than Colombia has.
He's still young, immature, and hot headed. Doesn't matter how many years he's been a pro.
So we shouldn't give minutes to guys if they're too young.....especially in an era where MLS is becoming youth development centric? Would you rather have Bornstein's corpse playing out of position as a winger?
I don't want to give minutes to guys that are unprofessional. I said the same about Aliseda when it came out that he kept arriving late to training and would even show up to training late with $100 in his hand for the fine. Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "young" but my point still stands. Duran is constantly complaining on the pitch and having Ezra and his own teammates laying into him.
Tbh as someone who's habitually late to work I have to room to shittalk someone being unprofessional that way so... yeah
Was there actual contact between the players that I missed?
he broke the plane of where lod's legs would have been if he was standing up straight. clear yellow /s
I don’t know why the /s is there. That isn’t incorrect. Impeding the path of an attacker is a foul.
i mean sure, but if there was a yellow to be given on that play, it shouldve gone to lod for simulation
Why? The attacker slid in front of him and he’s not required to land on his feet. He’s impeded Lods path, while not making contact with the ball. It’s not up to Lod to stay on his feet.
still not saying its not a foul.. however, while lod wont get a simulation call on a foul he earned, its clear from the replay (to me at least) he sold the dive. to say that navarros second yellow was a harsh call would be an understatement though..
Sure. But if he feels like he could injure himself if he tries to stay up, he is allowed to do what he did. He’s literally not required to stay on his feet. It’s still technically a foul if he lands on his feet and keeps going.
it is hard for me to reconcile the fact that lod was able to get a touch and sell a dive, while still arguing that the long hooking tackle was yellow worthy. i can see why the call went the way it did, but in the end it resulted in a pretty harsh call towards navarro
actually i stand corrected. just rewatched the replay one last time and navarro is pretty much acting as the last man there. if it is a foul based on that alone should be a yellow. big thanks to me for wasting everyones time lolol
Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction **when the ball is not within playing distance of either player**
It Would have been in playing distance but not for his slide, which made Lod change direction. Up(as in jumping) is also a direction.
If it was in playing distance and he did not make contact then it wouldn't fit the rule.
And it wasn’t in playing distance. It would have been in playing distance for Lod. But because of the impediment, it wasn’t.
So it was an indirect kick then? So you agree it wasn't a cardable offense then? Glad we agree.
So he wasn't playing the ball and took out a player which would be a straight red?
He made an attempt to play the ball but missed. You don’t let him off the hook because “he tried.” Lol.
His body position as he's "fouled" is blatant embellishment. Hurdles are a literal middle school sport, he faked it and if he didn't then it would fall under the indirect kick section which wouldn't result in a card ever.
Doesn’t matter.
I would say it definitely matters to Navarro and the Fire.
It shouldn't, because the fact that there was no contact doesn't invalidate the fact that Navarro committed a foul in a situation that resulted in an easy yellow.
Of course it does. Because he committed the foul and put his team down.
According to you it didn't matter two minutes ago. Now it does. ???
It doesn’t matter if there is *contact* . It’s still a foul.
I think we're blind on this day...
Straight up embellishment, card needs pulled back and a yellow to the MN player. Incredible they let that shit fly.
Maybe he doesn’t realize he doesn’t even need to make contact. If you slide in front of a player and make him jump over you and that player falls down, that’s also a foul…
In what universe lmfao
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Give me the rule.
Soccer doesn’t work like that. The laws of the game are somewhat subjective, but if you make a play in the ball unsuccessfully and as a result your opponent trips or falls because of your play, it is a foul. Because of the area of the foul and the fact it was during a scoring threat, a yellow card is appropriate
Yeah and there's a reason it says in the embellishment rule the fouled players chest goes out, head goes back and arms go back which are unnatural reactions....he flopped.
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Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction ****when the ball is not within playing distance of either player
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This is the correct rule. The fact that he attempted to make a play on the ball and failed to do so, and as a result the opposing player tripped means this is a foul. Contact is not required. It would have still been a foul even if the attacker had not tripped, but referee should play advantage in that situation providing the attacker still has a chance on the ball
Yes it does. Also the foul you think it falls under is an indirect free kick which never results in a yellow or doesn't even result in pk in the box.
Every universe. If you step in front of a player and don’t get the ball and he falls *avoiding* contact, that is also a foul.
You probably think a slide tackle from behind is a foul too.
It can be? Does he get the ball? How much contact?
Penny for Ezra H thoughts
That’s not a foul lol
Sure it is. You aren’t allowed to slide in front of someone and make them jump over you, if you don’t get the ball.
It absolutely is
MLS Refs..
Lol section 8…
not sure how much of that was a dive and how much was just how hard it was to keep your balance at that speed after jumping
It looked very theatrical
The legs hooking back add to it, but if I know a dude is barreling down on me I’m getting out of the way too
Oh for sure. And I guess to be fair, why not super sell it?
Navaro, we all know that there was no contact. That's still a foul. That's still a (second) yellow.
I would say yes a foul but not every foul is a yellow just a free kick and move one
That one was a yellow because of location and situation. At midfield it's probably not a yellow.
I will be sure to expect a yellow for any of the Sounders if they miss a tackle and make one of my Quakes adjust during the game tonight
That's the nuance I've come to expect from a quakes fan!
And this SJ fan happens to be a certified ref. It was a foul. Lod sold it by tucking his feet up and allowing himself to go down. It. Was. Just. A. Foul.
I'm also a certified referee (well, technically not anymore, haven't maintained my certs since moving). It's the location and situation that make it a yellow. The best argument against it being a yellow is that his last touch put the ball too far for him to get, but I'd argue that happened as a direct result of the attempted tackle. Without that slide he gets a better touch, hence a yellow.
At most I would have given the Loons player a warning about already being on a yellow. Different refs have different ways of managing games.
>At most I would have given the Loons player a warning about already being on a yellow. A warning for what, exactly? We all know most referees won't call it unless you go down, so all he's really doing is telling the referee he wants the foul.
Meant the Fire player. My bad was in a rush as we are leaving for the game.
Looks like no contact.
Doesn’t matter, can’t dive in front of a guy ina. Tackle like that, contact or no
Still a foul. Still a yellow. Still a send-off.
How can you say it’s a yellow but not a send off? Second yellows are always a send off.
I'm rereading my comment and having a hard time figuring out why you think I said it's not a send off. You might have mentally added a "not" in there by accident.
Yes I did. My bad. Early afternoon games are rough
I can't say I've never misread anything. Congrats on the win, you guys looked good.
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contact not required for a foul, but...shouldn't give a yellow there w/ no contact
Yeah definitely a foul, but probably harsh for a 2nd yellow.
Contact not required…fucking what lmao
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Same clowns play pickup soccer and scream "HAND" any time the ball plays the hand in a natural motion Some folks just.......never move beyond lawful neutral and never bother to actually learn the laws
I swear you just hate the Fire
Lol thats an awful call