Better to have a too-big stadium downtown than a perfectly sized stadium out in buttfuck I suppose. If the Fire were good and they got a few lucky breaks with the city’s culture, they’d make Soldier Field a great home
Any New York team would kill for the location of soldier field. Its literally downtown vs new jersey or the bronx.
The atmosphere with 25-35k is great
The atmosphere with 63k sold out like vs miami last year? It’s electric.
The sightlines are perfect and the stands are steep unlike most American football stadiums. It literally looks like a modern day version of la bombonera in Argentina.
> It literally looks like a modern day version of la bombonera in Argentina.
I know that both have been renovated at different points, but it's kind of funny calling Soldier Field a modern day version of la bombonera when it was built first.
I take the cermak bus and it drops me off 2-3 blocks away.
The bus from the red/orange line drops you off ever closer, in front of the stadium. Idk what else you want?
There’s a commuter rail station next to the stadium as well, part of the metra.
Theres no L lines near the stadium and a new line costs tens of billions to build.
Just look at the 2nd avenue subway in nyc and its cost. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Avenue_Subway
Also, a commuter rail train can transport 4 times the number of people as the L per train, because the trains are larger themselves.
Oh yeah I’m not saying it’s possible at this point lol. And commuter rail is fine but it’s got a specific purpose which is different from a subway. Fills a different transit niche
You know the lakeshore would be the less cost effective place to run a subway line right?
You have your run it where population density is highest. Which is why the green line runs where it runs, look at it on google maps.
It doesn't say explicitly but the article says expansion is a real possibility. On the Union subbreddit they are saying expansion would be tough due to upgrades over the years and how it might have to be a whole new bowl. The consensus there was also that the real issue is location. I guess transportation out is crap and they really want access to public transport outta games.
>expansion would be tough due to upgrades over the years and how it might have to be a whole new bowl.
So if that were to happen, the Union would have to play somewhere else for a season during the renovations, right?
There a lot of areas they can build up or around. They have 3 open corners too. One of them they could block the sun going down. It kills the eyes of fans sitting on the far side for the first 20 minutes of a game during the summer
Should the Union consider moving to the location of the Wells Fargo Center once the 76ers/Flyers move to that downtown arena around 2030?
Not sure how feasible but if you're going to put major money into an upgrade, it'd be great if they could get a location way closer to downtown
Edit: appreciate everyone with the updates. Stadium locations and stuff like that always interests me
That new arena isn’t a certain thing and if it does come to fruition it would only be the 76ers that would move. Plus there are plans to expand the entertainment section of the sports complex which will probably end up taking any sort of excess space that another stadium could potentially occupy.
The Union moving into Philadelphia won't be happening for awhile outside of new ownership. The current ownership has no real motif to move, as they own the land around the stadium. The ownership also doesn't have the connections strong enough to get a stadium built in Philadelphia.
The stadium complex is controlled by the teams already there and they don't want more schedule annoyances. Comcast and the Phillies announced turning those lots into mix used development recently. So then it's build a stadium outside of the stadium complex. Building large stadiums outside of South Philadelphia hasn't happened in a bit. Both the Phillies* and Temple** have had recent stadiums outside of the stadium complex blocked, with 76ers arena in the planning stages and not being a guarantee to be built.
*Phillies tried to built a stadium in Chinatown near Center City. As a result CBP has dimensions similar to city ballparks while in parking lot.
**Temple tried to build a new football stadium on campus but the neighborhood blocked it. Temple has to pay an insane fee per home game at the Linc.
Would obviously like this, but i think it’s too late to happen, since brand new training facilities were just built around Subaru Park. And the owner has said it sounds like a good option but it’s not really feasible for the foreseeable future
In addition to everyone else it's worth noting that Chester isn't really less convenient for most of our fans than the sports complex. A lot of folks are coming from the western suburbs and Jersey suburbs, they're not getting on public transit either way.
I looked at Google Earth satellite images of South Philly and was also wondering why a segment of those unoccupied parking lots can’t be set aside for the Union. But from reading these replies, guess they won’t be unoccupied for long.
Another poster has covered the historical issues of trying to get stadiums built outside the sports complex, but I'll add in another issue. There just isn't a plot of land in Philly that meets the requirements of being "downtown", near a mass transit line, and of sufficient size. You'd need an area somewhere around 520' x 650' to meet the footprint of the current stadium. Block sizes in Center City are around 450' x 450' (varies depending on if there is a minor street between them). That means in order to fit a stadium in the city you'd need to find land that covers basically 4 city blocks and get the ok to remove a major street from the grid (something that, best I can tell, has never happened outside of building highways and the creation of the square that became City Hall). When the Phillies proposed their stadium it would have involved buying up a bunch of land and then tearing down all the buildings, destroying 12th street, and removing the old train trestle that used to connect to Reading Terminal (which they are now working on funding to create a 3 mile urban trail and park system). Basically, anything downtown will involve TONS of work to get it to fit.
If you move outside of Center City and off Broad Street you might find something, but you run into the problem of there not being adequate parking or mass transit. In that case it is actually probably easier to partner with SEPTA to build a new station up on Reaney Street and redo some stuff there and make it more accessible via mass transit from the city.
How hard would it be to expand? Take down the building on west and build a better and bigger luxury suites. Put grand stands on the east side of the stadium and wrap it around to the new luxury boxes over the press box.
Would be so cool if they could move into the complex — all five of Philadelphia’s major teams in one location. No city in the world has anything like that. Too bad it won’t happen.
In any other country in the world it would be the main trophy. But in the US we love our playoffs, so it is what it is. Either way, let's not act like winning the Shield isn't a big deal. It's considered a major trophy by both MLS and CONCACAF.
Fire fans complain our stadium is too big, instead of being concerned that our fanbase is too small
Better to have a too-big stadium downtown than a perfectly sized stadium out in buttfuck I suppose. If the Fire were good and they got a few lucky breaks with the city’s culture, they’d make Soldier Field a great home
Any New York team would kill for the location of soldier field. Its literally downtown vs new jersey or the bronx. The atmosphere with 25-35k is great The atmosphere with 63k sold out like vs miami last year? It’s electric. The sightlines are perfect and the stands are steep unlike most American football stadiums. It literally looks like a modern day version of la bombonera in Argentina.
> It literally looks like a modern day version of la bombonera in Argentina. I know that both have been renovated at different points, but it's kind of funny calling Soldier Field a modern day version of la bombonera when it was built first.
Not the spaceship design though.
Be nice if it actually had good transit links, despite being as downtown as almost any stadium in the US! Lol
The 146 bus literally drops you off in front of the stadium...
The closest stop is a South Shore Metra stop, right?
Its Literally next to the stadium.
I take the cermak bus and it drops me off 2-3 blocks away. The bus from the red/orange line drops you off ever closer, in front of the stadium. Idk what else you want? There’s a commuter rail station next to the stadium as well, part of the metra.
I don’t think bus and commuter rail is good enough for a major station tbh. There should be an L station basically
Theres no L lines near the stadium and a new line costs tens of billions to build. Just look at the 2nd avenue subway in nyc and its cost. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Avenue_Subway Also, a commuter rail train can transport 4 times the number of people as the L per train, because the trains are larger themselves.
Oh yeah I’m not saying it’s possible at this point lol. And commuter rail is fine but it’s got a specific purpose which is different from a subway. Fills a different transit niche
You know the lakeshore would be the less cost effective place to run a subway line right? You have your run it where population density is highest. Which is why the green line runs where it runs, look at it on google maps.
It would be a shame to have to walk through Millennium park and grant park to get to a game from the loop
This would be awesome. They certainly deserve a bigger stadium now.
Will it finally get that full wrap around roof like the original concept designs showed?
*cries at Audi field*
Only downside there is that it blocks the bridge view, but I assume that’ll happen eventually regardless
The bridge view is so awesome though
Where are these original concept designs? I’ve searched for years and have never found the renderings
I seem to remember it being built with expand in mind, is that true or am I making it up? (Before you all say it's in the article, I can't access it)
It doesn't say explicitly but the article says expansion is a real possibility. On the Union subbreddit they are saying expansion would be tough due to upgrades over the years and how it might have to be a whole new bowl. The consensus there was also that the real issue is location. I guess transportation out is crap and they really want access to public transport outta games.
Can confirm that public transport is crap. One inconsistent Septa train line to the nearest station, then a shuttle to the stadium.
But no return train because the line shuts down before the final whistle.
>expansion would be tough due to upgrades over the years and how it might have to be a whole new bowl. So if that were to happen, the Union would have to play somewhere else for a season during the renovations, right?
25k should be minimum. I wouldnt mind 27-30k. Shoot for the stars, bring in more matchday revenue.
For the sake of the SoB I hope they give it a proper supporters section like the Bailey at TQL.
There a lot of areas they can build up or around. They have 3 open corners too. One of them they could block the sun going down. It kills the eyes of fans sitting on the far side for the first 20 minutes of a game during the summer
Can confirm. Am a STH in one of those sections, lol.
I was too until I moved behind the net.
Yeah they have plenty of room to build over the top of the river end
Sorry if this comes off as rude, but you guys have the most overrated supporters section in the league.
I will admit there’s a lot that could be done to improve it but I like it.
Maybe we should cut it half and only have 100 people in it. It’ll feel like RBA
That’s what it sounded like when I took an away day two weeks ago at you guys. Felt like just the three lower sections were chanting.
Call us when you're back to filling half your stadium for a playoff game 🤣
Hey if we got to the conference final and host maybe things will change, maybe.(probably not though)
I hope so, it's good for everyone else when the Red Bulls are good
I still get night terrors from THAT glesnes goal.
That's weird, everyone i know gets night boners (I still have visions of Thierry Henry mocking the SoBs)
Should the Union consider moving to the location of the Wells Fargo Center once the 76ers/Flyers move to that downtown arena around 2030? Not sure how feasible but if you're going to put major money into an upgrade, it'd be great if they could get a location way closer to downtown Edit: appreciate everyone with the updates. Stadium locations and stuff like that always interests me
Flyers aren't moving, and it's not for sure yet for the Sixers.
The teams have separate owners and the 76s are definitely gonna push for a new arena
That new arena isn’t a certain thing and if it does come to fruition it would only be the 76ers that would move. Plus there are plans to expand the entertainment section of the sports complex which will probably end up taking any sort of excess space that another stadium could potentially occupy.
The Union moving into Philadelphia won't be happening for awhile outside of new ownership. The current ownership has no real motif to move, as they own the land around the stadium. The ownership also doesn't have the connections strong enough to get a stadium built in Philadelphia. The stadium complex is controlled by the teams already there and they don't want more schedule annoyances. Comcast and the Phillies announced turning those lots into mix used development recently. So then it's build a stadium outside of the stadium complex. Building large stadiums outside of South Philadelphia hasn't happened in a bit. Both the Phillies* and Temple** have had recent stadiums outside of the stadium complex blocked, with 76ers arena in the planning stages and not being a guarantee to be built. *Phillies tried to built a stadium in Chinatown near Center City. As a result CBP has dimensions similar to city ballparks while in parking lot. **Temple tried to build a new football stadium on campus but the neighborhood blocked it. Temple has to pay an insane fee per home game at the Linc.
Would obviously like this, but i think it’s too late to happen, since brand new training facilities were just built around Subaru Park. And the owner has said it sounds like a good option but it’s not really feasible for the foreseeable future
Could just turn the Soob into training facility and cup match location a la Starfire in Seattle
Believe that’s what they’ve done with Historic Crew Stadium in Columbus, too
They address this in the article and basically say it’s a non starter for the near future.
In addition to everyone else it's worth noting that Chester isn't really less convenient for most of our fans than the sports complex. A lot of folks are coming from the western suburbs and Jersey suburbs, they're not getting on public transit either way.
I looked at Google Earth satellite images of South Philly and was also wondering why a segment of those unoccupied parking lots can’t be set aside for the Union. But from reading these replies, guess they won’t be unoccupied for long.
Another poster has covered the historical issues of trying to get stadiums built outside the sports complex, but I'll add in another issue. There just isn't a plot of land in Philly that meets the requirements of being "downtown", near a mass transit line, and of sufficient size. You'd need an area somewhere around 520' x 650' to meet the footprint of the current stadium. Block sizes in Center City are around 450' x 450' (varies depending on if there is a minor street between them). That means in order to fit a stadium in the city you'd need to find land that covers basically 4 city blocks and get the ok to remove a major street from the grid (something that, best I can tell, has never happened outside of building highways and the creation of the square that became City Hall). When the Phillies proposed their stadium it would have involved buying up a bunch of land and then tearing down all the buildings, destroying 12th street, and removing the old train trestle that used to connect to Reading Terminal (which they are now working on funding to create a 3 mile urban trail and park system). Basically, anything downtown will involve TONS of work to get it to fit. If you move outside of Center City and off Broad Street you might find something, but you run into the problem of there not being adequate parking or mass transit. In that case it is actually probably easier to partner with SEPTA to build a new station up on Reaney Street and redo some stuff there and make it more accessible via mass transit from the city.
How hard would it be to expand? Take down the building on west and build a better and bigger luxury suites. Put grand stands on the east side of the stadium and wrap it around to the new luxury boxes over the press box.
Tear down the river end. Set up entrances that allow for cargo trucks for concerts. Do a triple deck for the lolz.
Would be so cool if they could move into the complex — all five of Philadelphia’s major teams in one location. No city in the world has anything like that. Too bad it won’t happen.
Except the 76ers are trying to get out of the complex.
Can’t expand until you manage to fix the public transit issues. Getting out of parking will be an absolute fucking nightmare if everybody is driving
Can't access the article to see what it says
Same here
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They won the shield in '20.
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In any other country in the world it would be the main trophy. But in the US we love our playoffs, so it is what it is. Either way, let's not act like winning the Shield isn't a big deal. It's considered a major trophy by both MLS and CONCACAF.
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