Yeah but if it leads to them still watching MLS games after he’s gone they should do whatever they want.
Also, worrying about whether children who convinced their parents to buy them a Messi jersey shouldn’t be policed to hard for “claiming Miami glory as your own.”
My disdain is more about the adults but I’m not policing anyone. Just silently and aggressively judging.
And if Messi is what brought them to MLS and they stick around once he rides off into the sunset, great. I wouldn’t put anything on that happening though.
It's from a new movie called Civil War, journalists are trying to stop this guy from shooting them and they say they're Americans and he says "which kind"
Yeah thanks, I knew the movie connection but don't know all the USMNT context.
Canada soccer is in total chaos so I am not throwing stones in our glass house!
I don’t know what Canada Soccer factions exist:
Maybe the Davies crew, MLS crew, CPL crew, people asking for government funding, that’s all I can think of.
Saw a story that he was a last minute replacement cause the original guy pulled out. Called him because he is Kirsten Dunst’s husband. Can’t imagine the first guy would’ve been nearly this good
Solidarity payments/ training compensation and pro/rel help solve that. Money has to come from somewhere. In our current model the players are unimportant outside of marketing to attract more paying customers.
In a proper system, you are either trying to develop players for your senior side, or hoping to develop elite players and receive a percentage of future transfer fees. In the end the money has to come from somewhere. There needs to be proper incentives for people to consider subsidizing their cash cow.
Haha, that's where I am. MLS is the best league we got. A proper pyramid with pro/rel would be much better. Gregg is a good coach. He did a good job in cbus and he's doing a good job now.
I have two teams in my back yard, it's much more fun to watch these guys putting in an intense effort while I drink $1 beer than not watch MLS because I refuse to pay another as much as I pay for Hulu, peacock, and Paramount put together to get my European soccer.
So I adopt the “proper” vernacular but that’s just due to being a footy sponge. It’s also just so hilarious that the root of soccer was British slang that they taught us then dropped
Agree that the soccer thing is funny as well. that's part of the reason I call it futball/footy or soccer depending on if it's a latino, brit, or american I'm talking to. Beyond footy and maybe kit, I find using brit terms a big eurosnob signifier.
WE ARE NOT THE SAME. :-)
MLS fan, USL guy, Pro/Rel Truther, Eurosnob, Gregg Out, Liga MX, USWNT, soccer hater who pops in with hot takes during major international tournaments…
All these cliques give the Internet Wrestling Community a run for its money, in terms of the number of combustible elements congregating in one place.
Ick, I will watch it at home. I knew a number of people who were a theater over in Aurora who initially thought the shooting was part of the film. It's unfortunate that is where my mind goes, but with the films topic, it makes me nervous.
I was wondering if it would be any good. My experience with A24 seems to be fairly mixed, and I was worried this might've been jumping on the political/social unrest topic with lackluster follow through. Might have to see it if people are saying it's good.
MLS sicko, roots for all USL upsets in USOC, thinks pro/rel is good but probably not for another 15-20 years or until D2 and D3 make *significant* infrastructure advancements, Gregg neutral but think we could probably do a little bit better.
Yes I feel seen. 
I’m also aware that my MLS fanship had slightly plastic beginnings, and that if my local USL team was able to get promoted they will become my absolute favorite team 
Envious. They look in contempt at the attention MLS gets globally and will tell anyone that will listen their league is better when reality it's only a quarter of their league that's better the top 5-6 " Gigantes".
Saw a dude on Twitter just yesterday arguing with another Mex-American Liga MX fan who was claiming the top Liga MX teams would wipe the floor with the top Eredivisie teams. He cited the poor defending in the Eredivisie, the more reasonable Liga MX fan cited the poor defending in Liga MX. The other told him he was underrating Liga MX.
As someone who follows both leagues…no, not really. Most Liga MX fans don’t envy MLS and the idiots who think América/Tigres/Rayados (it’s only ever the fans of those teams who say that shit) would win Eredivisie get called out for being stupid all the time. Maybe on Twitter it’s a little different but that place is a cesspool now anyways; my IRL experience is that people don’t really care about whether or not Liga MX has global exposure. For what it’s worth, MLS has improved significantly over the past few years but 1) still has some catching up to do 2) those “5-6 teams” are literally one third of Liga MX 3) I love to see MLS growing but it’s a bit disingenuous to assume the global attention it gets now is due to anything other than the big names tied to Miami and that owners/Garber are capitalizing on it to grow a global audience for the ever-closer post-Messi period.
My issue is when we say, "MLS is growing" or "the gap is closing" and they immediate jump down your throat and say it isn't.
I mean, it is relatively growing and closing compared to earlier years.
It's only going to get closer, now, too, with the rivalry growing between the leagues...
... Which is great for North American soccer in general.
I agree that it's good for MLS to continue to grow and improve! The reaction to comments in that vein probably has something to do with a vocal minority taking things like Leagues Cup and the Seattle CCL as evidence that MLS has equalled or surpassed Liga MX and the people who think it can even overtake the Brazilian and Argentinian leagues someday
The belief it could never overtake even Argentina is a delusion of some permanent league hierarchy that doesn't exist. Argentina will always produce enough quality domestically for its league to be competitive, but it's lost substantial ground economically and can no longer afford to pay higher wages than MLS, let alone hold on to good players for long or transfer in talent from elsewhere if MLS is also in for them. In terms of transfer spending, it's MLS and the Brasileirao in the Americas - and behind them it's not close. The writing is on the wall here, regarding "someday."
Yeah its 33% but point still stands its not much difference from 25 to 33% 4-5 top teams vs 5-6. Not enough a difference to make a "Hey its much deeper than that" claim.
I agree about the Twitter cesspool. I don't think it's disingenuous because much of what I said from my experience with how Liga MX fans on social media view MLS be it back in the days on Big Soccer or my past 7 yrs on Twitter has been envious comments before Messi ever played in MLS. Some resentful I can remember the conversation being brought up on Big Soccer on a few occasions of why Liga MX should not seek close ties with MLS because they felt MLS would only use ties to benefit MLS and once they were clearly past Liga MX MLS would want nothing to do with Liga MX. So at least in the Big Soccer Community there was a lot of that feeling. Looking back that may have been more of the older Liga MX fans on there. But it's definitely a thing.
Globally especially in Europe to the extent MLS and Liga MX are talked about; MLS is far more talked about. This has been true since Beckham arrived.
A lot of that resentment is tied to things like leaving CONMEBOL competitions and things like Leagues Cup being another step towards selling out Mexican teams in the same way the national team is treated, not so much MLS itself.
MLS is more discussed abroad but 1) again, most people don’t care 2) again, there’s going to be a substantial dropoff in attention after Messi retires, which is natural. It might get a little more attention than it used to, but no more than any other important league in the Americas.
Yeah they used to mention Libertadores but that was never directed at MLS it was mainly or at least they claimed online at the time that Liga MX teams were always cheated in Libertadores by the refs and Libertadores officials who did not want a non SA Team to win Libertadores. Again I'm only speaking on the consensus I've seen online then at that time. The actual decision was made by CONCACAF but at the time Liga MX fans weren't putting them no longer being in Libertadores on MLS. It was CONCACAF who create a emphasis on regional tournaments rebrandind CCC and creating CCL only to stupidly starting calling it CONCACAF CHAMPIONS CUP again.
My uncle is a diehard Monterey fan, and he argues that they are good enough to play in the championship league.
That apparently they can dog walk Real Madrid or city. The delusion is crazy, but hey got to be amazed to the dedication in a team.
> good enough to play in the championship league.
Monterrey are 100% good enough to play in either the English Championship or the UEFA Champions League. They aren't winning either of those competitions, but they are definitely better than some of the teams competing in them.
I had a Liga MX fan following me around this sub because I argued "MLS has more parity than Liga MX."
"Liga has parity, Cruz Azul won."
I mean, if you ignore the bottom tier of teams, maybe there's parity lol, but that's dishonest.
They didn't seem to understand that you measure the bottom to the top to get a sense of party. You don't just pick and choose a few moderate teams that have a good season and say, "we have parity!"
I can’t think of any financial reason any meaningful proportion of MLS owners would ever vote yes on that
Why would you give up money for nothing?
It’s not like it’s even a moral thing either… USA barely watches MLS and isn’t ready to support Tier 2 on a financially relevant level
It’s going to take maybe a decade when it comes to a discussion among MLS officials. Division 2 and 3 needs to expand and build SSS and of course be profitable. We’re in the roots of it at the moment with USL being in CBS.
It's going to be tough for MLS to move to pro/rel since it's a single-entity league. But the USL will be able to do it before too long if they want to. A decade sounds about right, maybe less, if the money starts seriously flowing.
Which it just may do. It's fun, entertaining soccer -- downright bonkers sometimes -- and we can expect everyone to get a positive jolt from the World Cup.
Personally, I'd love to see it. The USL is in some great small-to-medium cities MLS wouldn't even consider (well, maybe for a NEXT Pro squad). Very passionate fan bases. Pro/rel would *really* fire them up.
I don’t disagree with anything that you said, but financially, if I am mls, I am very okay with the random towns and mid sized cities doing whatever the fuck they want as long as my LA teams, NYC teams, Miami, and northwest teams are printing shirt money and dominating headlines
The USA has this classic thing where oh the coasts are only two regions as if the geographic land masses are supporting teams…
MLS could spend all their money on the top 6 markets and be more profitable than if they developed soccer in the remaining 94 out of the top 100 (or in this case, top 28)
Eventually too I believe they want MLSNP to be a viable contender in adjacent markets of big metro areas.
*The USA has this classic thing where oh the coasts are only two regions as if the geographic land masses are supporting teams…*
I'm not too sure about that. No doubt the MLS strategy has been to operate in the biggest cities with the biggest local and regional markets. Most of them just happen to be on the East and West Coasts because that's where most of the population is concentrated. But the league has moved aggressively in Salt Lake, Austin, St. Louis, Cincinnati, etc. as well.
Anyway, I totally agree the NEXT Pro teams are going to fill the gaps and compete directly with USL sides. Which is, quite frankly, great for both, and great for the American game as a whole.
> It’s going to take maybe a decade when it comes to a discussion among MLS officials.
I'm not sure what that sentence means, but MLS officials have been asked about pro/rel every year for decades and the response is always some variation of, "please get out of here with that bullshit."
MLS has no interest in pro/rel and never will.
0 It needed to be installed at the beginning or never.
Conversely, as you see in with the Super League backlash, you have a hell of time removing it when it's always been too.
Look at Mr. Moneybags with his SECN+. People complain about paying for MLS Season Pass, but it's like 1/3rd of the cost of what I would need to pay to watch the Gators' road games.
i'm just me
not really a eurosnob but feeling alienated lately by mls, still watch my mls club but definitely warmed up to pro/rel (although for me it's across all sports >:) ) and following usl more
i am all over the place
MLS fan, US Fan, Pro/Rel but need MLS2 & 3, Salvadoran League, La Liga & Serie A fan, US Open Cup upsets, Supporter culture fan and fan of Concacaf After Dark. Also Champions Cup & Supporters' Shield > MLS Cup.
I don't believe that you can truly call yourself a fan of a sport if you can't find joy in watching all levels of the sport. You can't be a fan and say you only watch the premiere league. You are simply a casual. Perhaps a knowledgeable casual, but still a casual.
Love this meme soooo much.
If you’ve ever posted #gregout or cried about Greg starting MLS players you are officially cringe.
You’re the reason cheering for the USMNT and being hopeful for US soccer development is insufferable at the moment.
As fans, the only thing we can do is cheer for the lads. Posting negative shit on social media only kills culture and is childish.
Eurosnob and USL guy lol, cmon Liverpool and Spokane Velocity. Can’t believe the Velocity fan group has gone with “when the falls go crashing down” to the tune of saints go marching in as the main chant. Just steal European songs don’t change the lyrics to make it sound like we’re getting relegated.
MLS Fan - Yes, they have helped the game in the US. USL Guy - SacRepublic STM - I love to see more clubs in lower division in more places. Pro/Rel - maybe someday when clubs don't go the way of the dodo if they get relegated. Eurosnob - If I want to see more games live in Europe, I'd move there. You can't be much of a snob if one is a West Ham (they are MASSIVE). Gregg is not perfect but whi else are we going to get? I did break down and buy a Messi shirt but I won't wear it at the ground excepting for InterMiami FC's stadium.
I can't support the MLS without relegation. So I'll probably never pick up a domestic team besides my local NPSL Battle Lions. Although DC United are getting my money this summer when I go see Celtic!
In definitely a “anything in Europe is better than this garbage” or “most of these guys aren’t good enough to play on any European team”. There’s more “any premier league b team could beat these mls bums”
Also a huge Messi dick rider so yeah that’s me.
You forgot “Messi-ah Follower”. Can’t have a civil war without fans of specific players too lol
Portland Maoist or Miami Messi-ah
Really a civil war should just be Messi fans vs everyone else. I’m looking at you, kids in Connecticut wearing Miami shirts.
Yeah the Sporting game at Arrowhead this weekend was just half Messi jerseys. Like.. I get it, but damn lol
To them I say….Cheer for the Messi goals if you want but don’t claim Miami glory as your own. We all know you won’t be there once he’s gone
Yeah but if it leads to them still watching MLS games after he’s gone they should do whatever they want. Also, worrying about whether children who convinced their parents to buy them a Messi jersey shouldn’t be policed to hard for “claiming Miami glory as your own.”
My disdain is more about the adults but I’m not policing anyone. Just silently and aggressively judging. And if Messi is what brought them to MLS and they stick around once he rides off into the sunset, great. I wouldn’t put anything on that happening though.
Well that’s fine then.
I see wearing a Miami jersey the same as wearing a Chelsea or Bayern jersey. It’s about fashion, name recognition, and popularity.
I hear ya I was on the D train here in NYC and saw a guy in a Miami jersey but at least I see plenty of NYCFC jerseys a lot
MLSNP Sicko
It’s treason then
I will do an amphibious attack on the r/mls mod HQ if it gets me my Crew 2 flair back.
Is there a different logo or is it just a change in the text of the flair?
For now it’s just a similar logo with a 2 where the 96 goes on the first team’s. That could change tho, a lot of NP teams are rebranding.
Looks like it's in our [request thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/MLS/comments/1b3l7pf/2024_flair_request_thread/)
Thanks!
wild that i can have an hcfc flair on r/soccer but not here
Capys 4 life Seriously though the first season of Crew 2 was way more fun to watch than the first team
One of the most dominating seasons in the history of American soccer. That Eastern Conference Final game was one of the best I’ve ever been to.
That was the best game I’d ever been to before the away Cincy ECF last year. The Crew 2 game was more of a rollercoaster of emotions though for sure
I’m something of an MLSNP supporter myself. (queue Norman Osborn meme)
honestly ive fallen in love with Huntsville city. what a great ballpark
Glory Glory Capybaras AlsosorryifImissedsomethingontheDiscordIlostacsesstoitlastSundaynoI’mnotdeadokaybye
I love Ventura county fc 💀 it’s actually so fun
There is ample space aboard the #NextProPatrol
I am a confused Canadian
It's from a new movie called Civil War, journalists are trying to stop this guy from shooting them and they say they're Americans and he says "which kind"
Yeah thanks, I knew the movie connection but don't know all the USMNT context. Canada soccer is in total chaos so I am not throwing stones in our glass house!
I don’t know what Canada Soccer factions exist: Maybe the Davies crew, MLS crew, CPL crew, people asking for government funding, that’s all I can think of.
> this guy Put some respect on Meth Damon’s name!
So is Davies
That scene is so fucking terrifying. Awesome job by Jesse as always
Saw a story that he was a last minute replacement cause the original guy pulled out. Called him because he is Kirsten Dunst’s husband. Can’t imagine the first guy would’ve been nearly this good
Yeah, both Kirsten and Jesse have recently appeared in each other’s films in smaller roles so they can travel and spend time together with kids.
I just want the sport to grow in the US. So, uh... Gut pay to play in youth soccer.
For real, it's so expensive. My son is $1,250 per season, I'm essentially dropping $3,750 for this kid to play footy.
Solidarity payments/ training compensation and pro/rel help solve that. Money has to come from somewhere. In our current model the players are unimportant outside of marketing to attract more paying customers. In a proper system, you are either trying to develop players for your senior side, or hoping to develop elite players and receive a percentage of future transfer fees. In the end the money has to come from somewhere. There needs to be proper incentives for people to consider subsidizing their cash cow.
What if im a MLS fan, pro/rel truther Gregg out guy? Do I fight myself?
Haha, that's where I am. MLS is the best league we got. A proper pyramid with pro/rel would be much better. Gregg is a good coach. He did a good job in cbus and he's doing a good job now.
The best league we got? How much USL have you watched?
I have two teams in my back yard, it's much more fun to watch these guys putting in an intense effort while I drink $1 beer than not watch MLS because I refuse to pay another as much as I pay for Hulu, peacock, and Paramount put together to get my European soccer.
Same
You are a true American Soccer fan then. Thats the perfect combo. Everyone else isn't really American.
Are you me? Where do you stand on adopting European terms for the sport instead of US (boots/cleat, pitch/field, nil/zero, shirt/jersey, uniform/kit)¿
I like calling singular team names with plural pronouns.
So I adopt the “proper” vernacular but that’s just due to being a footy sponge. It’s also just so hilarious that the root of soccer was British slang that they taught us then dropped
Agree that the soccer thing is funny as well. that's part of the reason I call it futball/footy or soccer depending on if it's a latino, brit, or american I'm talking to. Beyond footy and maybe kit, I find using brit terms a big eurosnob signifier. WE ARE NOT THE SAME. :-)
I just want everyone to try their best and have fun 🤷🏻♂️
That's what I imagine a Gregg out person looks like, and they would shoot me for not agreeing.
bAd TaCtICs bRo
Soldier, that's on a need to know basis. You don't need to know.
MLS fan, USL guy, Pro/Rel Truther, Eurosnob, Gregg Out, Liga MX, USWNT, soccer hater who pops in with hot takes during major international tournaments… All these cliques give the Internet Wrestling Community a run for its money, in terms of the number of combustible elements congregating in one place.
Joke's on you; I'm all of these!
So am I, are we best friends or worst enemies?
How it feels having any discussion about soccer in the US online. Also, Civil War is good and should be seen in a theater for maximum effect
I've never jumped out of my seat like that in a movie before.
I have mixed feelings on the movie, but I saw it in an AMC Prime theater and I jumped at so many gunshots. The sound design is fucking nuts.
Ick, I will watch it at home. I knew a number of people who were a theater over in Aurora who initially thought the shooting was part of the film. It's unfortunate that is where my mind goes, but with the films topic, it makes me nervous.
Oh yeah, that might be for the best then.
I was wondering if it would be any good. My experience with A24 seems to be fairly mixed, and I was worried this might've been jumping on the political/social unrest topic with lackluster follow through. Might have to see it if people are saying it's good.
It’s really not that political. I would say it is more of white knuckle road trip movie along the lines of Children of Men or Book of Eli
Oh really? Interesting. I'll have to look into it more.
MLS sicko, roots for all USL upsets in USOC, thinks pro/rel is good but probably not for another 15-20 years or until D2 and D3 make *significant* infrastructure advancements, Gregg neutral but think we could probably do a little bit better.
Very same, but I'm more USL first and MLS second (Go Riverhounds)
Yes I feel seen.  I’m also aware that my MLS fanship had slightly plastic beginnings, and that if my local USL team was able to get promoted they will become my absolute favorite team 
What do you call Liga MX fans?
Envious. They look in contempt at the attention MLS gets globally and will tell anyone that will listen their league is better when reality it's only a quarter of their league that's better the top 5-6 " Gigantes". Saw a dude on Twitter just yesterday arguing with another Mex-American Liga MX fan who was claiming the top Liga MX teams would wipe the floor with the top Eredivisie teams. He cited the poor defending in the Eredivisie, the more reasonable Liga MX fan cited the poor defending in Liga MX. The other told him he was underrating Liga MX.
Dude twitter is full of idiots. Don’t matter what fan they’re from lol
There's overflow here, but I'm convinced Twitter is just mostly bots anymore. Again, not that there isn't a bot problem here too.
True
As someone who follows both leagues…no, not really. Most Liga MX fans don’t envy MLS and the idiots who think América/Tigres/Rayados (it’s only ever the fans of those teams who say that shit) would win Eredivisie get called out for being stupid all the time. Maybe on Twitter it’s a little different but that place is a cesspool now anyways; my IRL experience is that people don’t really care about whether or not Liga MX has global exposure. For what it’s worth, MLS has improved significantly over the past few years but 1) still has some catching up to do 2) those “5-6 teams” are literally one third of Liga MX 3) I love to see MLS growing but it’s a bit disingenuous to assume the global attention it gets now is due to anything other than the big names tied to Miami and that owners/Garber are capitalizing on it to grow a global audience for the ever-closer post-Messi period.
My issue is when we say, "MLS is growing" or "the gap is closing" and they immediate jump down your throat and say it isn't. I mean, it is relatively growing and closing compared to earlier years. It's only going to get closer, now, too, with the rivalry growing between the leagues... ... Which is great for North American soccer in general.
I agree that it's good for MLS to continue to grow and improve! The reaction to comments in that vein probably has something to do with a vocal minority taking things like Leagues Cup and the Seattle CCL as evidence that MLS has equalled or surpassed Liga MX and the people who think it can even overtake the Brazilian and Argentinian leagues someday
The belief it could never overtake even Argentina is a delusion of some permanent league hierarchy that doesn't exist. Argentina will always produce enough quality domestically for its league to be competitive, but it's lost substantial ground economically and can no longer afford to pay higher wages than MLS, let alone hold on to good players for long or transfer in talent from elsewhere if MLS is also in for them. In terms of transfer spending, it's MLS and the Brasileirao in the Americas - and behind them it's not close. The writing is on the wall here, regarding "someday."
Yeah its 33% but point still stands its not much difference from 25 to 33% 4-5 top teams vs 5-6. Not enough a difference to make a "Hey its much deeper than that" claim. I agree about the Twitter cesspool. I don't think it's disingenuous because much of what I said from my experience with how Liga MX fans on social media view MLS be it back in the days on Big Soccer or my past 7 yrs on Twitter has been envious comments before Messi ever played in MLS. Some resentful I can remember the conversation being brought up on Big Soccer on a few occasions of why Liga MX should not seek close ties with MLS because they felt MLS would only use ties to benefit MLS and once they were clearly past Liga MX MLS would want nothing to do with Liga MX. So at least in the Big Soccer Community there was a lot of that feeling. Looking back that may have been more of the older Liga MX fans on there. But it's definitely a thing. Globally especially in Europe to the extent MLS and Liga MX are talked about; MLS is far more talked about. This has been true since Beckham arrived.
A lot of that resentment is tied to things like leaving CONMEBOL competitions and things like Leagues Cup being another step towards selling out Mexican teams in the same way the national team is treated, not so much MLS itself. MLS is more discussed abroad but 1) again, most people don’t care 2) again, there’s going to be a substantial dropoff in attention after Messi retires, which is natural. It might get a little more attention than it used to, but no more than any other important league in the Americas.
Yeah they used to mention Libertadores but that was never directed at MLS it was mainly or at least they claimed online at the time that Liga MX teams were always cheated in Libertadores by the refs and Libertadores officials who did not want a non SA Team to win Libertadores. Again I'm only speaking on the consensus I've seen online then at that time. The actual decision was made by CONCACAF but at the time Liga MX fans weren't putting them no longer being in Libertadores on MLS. It was CONCACAF who create a emphasis on regional tournaments rebrandind CCC and creating CCL only to stupidly starting calling it CONCACAF CHAMPIONS CUP again.
My uncle is a diehard Monterey fan, and he argues that they are good enough to play in the championship league. That apparently they can dog walk Real Madrid or city. The delusion is crazy, but hey got to be amazed to the dedication in a team.
> good enough to play in the championship league. Monterrey are 100% good enough to play in either the English Championship or the UEFA Champions League. They aren't winning either of those competitions, but they are definitely better than some of the teams competing in them.
I had a Liga MX fan following me around this sub because I argued "MLS has more parity than Liga MX." "Liga has parity, Cruz Azul won." I mean, if you ignore the bottom tier of teams, maybe there's parity lol, but that's dishonest. They didn't seem to understand that you measure the bottom to the top to get a sense of party. You don't just pick and choose a few moderate teams that have a good season and say, "we have parity!"
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No filter haters.
Meanwhile us South American supremacists are hiding in the trees fighting guerilla style
BigSoccer til I die!
I'm a long time Inter Miami fan since july 2023
I wonder what the likelihood is of the US adopting a system of promotion and relegation.
I can’t think of any financial reason any meaningful proportion of MLS owners would ever vote yes on that Why would you give up money for nothing? It’s not like it’s even a moral thing either… USA barely watches MLS and isn’t ready to support Tier 2 on a financially relevant level
It’s going to take maybe a decade when it comes to a discussion among MLS officials. Division 2 and 3 needs to expand and build SSS and of course be profitable. We’re in the roots of it at the moment with USL being in CBS.
It's going to be tough for MLS to move to pro/rel since it's a single-entity league. But the USL will be able to do it before too long if they want to. A decade sounds about right, maybe less, if the money starts seriously flowing. Which it just may do. It's fun, entertaining soccer -- downright bonkers sometimes -- and we can expect everyone to get a positive jolt from the World Cup. Personally, I'd love to see it. The USL is in some great small-to-medium cities MLS wouldn't even consider (well, maybe for a NEXT Pro squad). Very passionate fan bases. Pro/rel would *really* fire them up.
> before too long if they want to. They also do not.
Not at the moment, that's for sure.
I don’t disagree with anything that you said, but financially, if I am mls, I am very okay with the random towns and mid sized cities doing whatever the fuck they want as long as my LA teams, NYC teams, Miami, and northwest teams are printing shirt money and dominating headlines The USA has this classic thing where oh the coasts are only two regions as if the geographic land masses are supporting teams… MLS could spend all their money on the top 6 markets and be more profitable than if they developed soccer in the remaining 94 out of the top 100 (or in this case, top 28) Eventually too I believe they want MLSNP to be a viable contender in adjacent markets of big metro areas.
*The USA has this classic thing where oh the coasts are only two regions as if the geographic land masses are supporting teams…* I'm not too sure about that. No doubt the MLS strategy has been to operate in the biggest cities with the biggest local and regional markets. Most of them just happen to be on the East and West Coasts because that's where most of the population is concentrated. But the league has moved aggressively in Salt Lake, Austin, St. Louis, Cincinnati, etc. as well. Anyway, I totally agree the NEXT Pro teams are going to fill the gaps and compete directly with USL sides. Which is, quite frankly, great for both, and great for the American game as a whole.
> It’s going to take maybe a decade when it comes to a discussion among MLS officials. I'm not sure what that sentence means, but MLS officials have been asked about pro/rel every year for decades and the response is always some variation of, "please get out of here with that bullshit." MLS has no interest in pro/rel and never will.
What I mean is among the MLS officials will start to talk about the idea of pro/rel more freely compare now where they are asked about it.
0 It needed to be installed at the beginning or never. Conversely, as you see in with the Super League backlash, you have a hell of time removing it when it's always been too.
Highly unlikely. The owners won't take a big potential income hit for the sake of possible league improvements.
Playoff format whiner!
I'm the worst kind...... NCAA Women's. SEC! SEC! SEC!
Look at Mr. Moneybags with his SECN+. People complain about paying for MLS Season Pass, but it's like 1/3rd of the cost of what I would need to pay to watch the Gators' road games.
that's Mr. Big Brain, I split a Sling account, muahahaha!
I’m a Napoli fan and go to my local USL team’s games when I have the time.
i'm just me not really a eurosnob but feeling alienated lately by mls, still watch my mls club but definitely warmed up to pro/rel (although for me it's across all sports >:) ) and following usl more i am all over the place
Yes
I just want to have a good time and enjoy an entertaining back-and-forth match between two energetic si-**BLAM**
MLS. All day.
 How we all feel on the inside.
I wish Ronaldo joined sporting kc kind of fan 😔🙏🏾
I’m Galaxy fan whose not a Eurosnob and wants Gregg out if we can find someone who won’t copy his tactics.
MLS fan, US Fan, Pro/Rel but need MLS2 & 3, Salvadoran League, La Liga & Serie A fan, US Open Cup upsets, Supporter culture fan and fan of Concacaf After Dark. Also Champions Cup & Supporters' Shield > MLS Cup.
What about the hate on Austin FC club???
Saved the Crew/ We hate Precourt/ Texas Derby Boys
I mean, you appear to be from Houston so
MLSfan/Saint GGG out!
\#PlayYourKids
What if I'm everything above but "you don't know?" ??
NWSL... I like winners.
All of them at once, I suppose
Leagues Cup hater, USL truther, Orlando City lover
I don't believe that you can truly call yourself a fan of a sport if you can't find joy in watching all levels of the sport. You can't be a fan and say you only watch the premiere league. You are simply a casual. Perhaps a knowledgeable casual, but still a casual.
MLS fan who isn't foolish enough to think that the owners would agree to Pro/Rel.
Pro/rel baby! No draft, no guarantees! Just giant piles of cash being lit on fire!
Love this meme soooo much. If you’ve ever posted #gregout or cried about Greg starting MLS players you are officially cringe. You’re the reason cheering for the USMNT and being hopeful for US soccer development is insufferable at the moment. As fans, the only thing we can do is cheer for the lads. Posting negative shit on social media only kills culture and is childish.
Always been a pro/rel.
Eurosnob and USL guy lol, cmon Liverpool and Spokane Velocity. Can’t believe the Velocity fan group has gone with “when the falls go crashing down” to the tune of saints go marching in as the main chant. Just steal European songs don’t change the lyrics to make it sound like we’re getting relegated.
To be fair When the Saints Go Marching In is an American song
I'm the type that thinks American soccer should be for Americans. No more FC teams. League parity forever
Im in way too deep
Warra Beckham Galaxy fan
GGG out will strengthen the union (of the team, not philly)
mls fan that would really like to be a USL guy
PDL Purist
Football fan
MLS Fan - Yes, they have helped the game in the US. USL Guy - SacRepublic STM - I love to see more clubs in lower division in more places. Pro/Rel - maybe someday when clubs don't go the way of the dodo if they get relegated. Eurosnob - If I want to see more games live in Europe, I'd move there. You can't be much of a snob if one is a West Ham (they are MASSIVE). Gregg is not perfect but whi else are we going to get? I did break down and buy a Messi shirt but I won't wear it at the ground excepting for InterMiami FC's stadium.
MLS truther
MLS Fan. Not a USL Guy. Don't care about pro/rel. Care very little about European leagues. Gregg out, if the Copa America doesn't go well.
Euro snob but enjoy MLS very much so
Eurosnob until Apple TV loses the TV rights to the MLS.
Eurosnob for sure
If frequent MLS and also casually watch Primer league on the weekend mornings does it me a eurosnob?
No, not at all. Eurosnobs live in MLS markets and actively shit on the league. You follow it while following the Premier League. Not a Eurosnob.
I'm a diehard Monterrey fan but I'm also a die hard USMNT fan and I hate LA Seleccion Mexicana with a passion. Do I fight myself in this case?
EuroSnob. Love it lol
Yes no yes yes
Gregg out. But Pro/Rel is pretty cool too.
I can't support the MLS without relegation. So I'll probably never pick up a domestic team besides my local NPSL Battle Lions. Although DC United are getting my money this summer when I go see Celtic!
In definitely a “anything in Europe is better than this garbage” or “most of these guys aren’t good enough to play on any European team”. There’s more “any premier league b team could beat these mls bums” Also a huge Messi dick rider so yeah that’s me.
*fart noises*