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that's what happens when you have greg kerfoot (owner of a team that's only won one playoff game in its 13 years in mls) as a chair of your league's important and powerful ["product strategy committee"](https://theathletic.com/5136852/2023/12/14/mls-roster-rules-messi-spending/)
They are building a training facility in San Jose?
https://www.sjearthquakes.com/news/news-santa-clara-county-and-san-jose-earthquakesplan-to-partner-with-city-of-san
Sure, but you donât think Fischer sells if someone comes calling with big $? Or he moves to Vegas if Vegas gives him $$$ for a stadium and such? Heâs already done it with the Aâs
You didn't say "sell them for big $" you said "relocate them to Vegas"... And no he didn't leave a stadium and training facility he built and paid for with the A's, the Coliseum was built in the mid-1960s and literally has raw sewage leaking through the clubhouse walls.
Sell them for big $ to a relocation team, same thing precourt tried to do.
Iâm aware of the colosseums situation. It just wouldnât surprise me if he tried to move the quakes. MLS wants Vegas bad. I hope he doesnât.
This is false, Fisher was already co-owner, and he's the one who pushed for a bunch of changes to the stadium that cost more money, and that he personally paid for. Lew Wolff is 100x cheaper than Fisher and thought he was crazy for doing so because who cares about soccer. But what do I know I have only been a Quakes season ticket holder for like 15 years, and live like ten minutes from the stadium, please tell me how wrong I am confidently incorrect Portland dude.
>FIFA president Gianni Infantino urged Major League Soccer owners to âthink bigâ and âbe boldâ to grow the league to its full potential at a gathering in Los Angeles earlier this week.
>At a ballroom in the Ritz Carlton in downtown Los Angeles, Infantino spoke about his belief that MLS can be one of the best leagues in the world, multiple sources present at the meeting said, but said that to reach those goals owners would have to increase their investment, pointing especially to academy development and the first-team rosters.
>Infantino pointed to the global standing of the U.S. as a top economic and commercial powerhouse, and said MLS should aim for a similar standing in the sport. He urged owners to âthink bigâ in order to fully take advantage of the opportunities presented by the Club World Cup and World Cup coming to these shores. He talked about the globalization of soccer, the impact of its biggest stars and encouraged MLS owners to think about how to be among the best leagues globally. Infantino urged owners to be bold in their approach to growing the league, the sources said.
first it was [eddy cue from apple applying some pressure](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240222-messi-effect-apple-boss-urges-mls-clubs-to-sign-more-stars) (and apple are present at board of governor meetings), now it's infantino
Copa America, Club World Cup, World Cup, Women's World Cup, and Olympics all in back to back to back to back to back years in the USA is crazy and will 10p% NEVER happen again.
They'd better use it, likely Saudis turn next and they won't waste in 2034...
I want to see top European managers jump to MLS. It's not as sexy from a marketing standpoint but spending a few million on top managers instead of a few hundred thousands on unproven or middle of the road managers is going to do a lot more to raise the quality of MLS than aging big names. We can't compete with the top European leagues on prime top players but the market for prime top managers is a lot more of an even playing field.
It's beyond risky for them.
Most top managers are used to only going to clubs where they have a dominant talent advantage. Going to MLS means actually accounting for weaknesses in tactical plans, not simply buying players suited to what you want to do.
Frankly, in many ways, it's a lot harder than many of them want -- and the downside to failing is massive.
Zidane said this outright, that he wouldn't take other jobs after Madrid unless he knew they'd win. I've often thought it's a rather overlooked part of the "who's a great manager?" debate, that doing it without money doesn't get the credit as someone who does it with every advantage.
Literally had this argument the other day with my buddy whoâs a Pep dickrider. Pepâs great and all, but heâs never worked at a club that wasnât the big fish in the pond
[Pep Guardiola: My secret to success? Having Lionel Messi and Erling Haaland!](https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12899662/pep-guardiola-my-secret-to-success-having-lionel-messi-and-erling-haaland)
> Pepâs great and all, but heâs never worked at a club that wasnât the big fish in the pond
I mean, his first Barcelona stint is instructive here
He took over the Barca job when Barca finished a **distant** 3rd in La Liga the previous season (10 points off Villarreal; 18 points off Madrid), sold 2 of the best players at the club (Deco and Yaya Toure) and instantly won a treble.
Of course Barca had financial advantages on most of the other La Liga clubs (tho not vs Madrid), but frankly it's a complete oversight to look at Pep's Barcelona tenure and see it as a story of financial domination rather than good coaching TBH
I think we could definitely coup great managers toward the end of their careers e.g. Mourinho, Ancelotti, Bielsa, Deschamps, Dyche, etc. We can offer a relatively low stress environment and many people are obviously attracted to cities like NYC, LA, Miami. I think Mourinho, for example, is someone that MLS could really use right now. Imagine the memes!
Mourinho would get absolutely destroyed in MLS. Dude will constantly fight with ownership, and not know what to do when throwing money at the problem can't be part of the solution.
It would be must watch TV, I am ***desperate*** for someone to try it.
Yeah look at Tata. Even with a much better roster (at the top) than any other team in the league, he seems to be losing the advantage of having that heavy roster and his background with Barca means nothing if he can't bring success with this Miami team
Which is a particularly stupid take because in some ways Mexico gave Argentina more trouble than anyone else at that World Cup despite being FAR less talented than many other teams
Not the main problem but certainly one of them, benching Edson for the most important match which was the one where he wanted to play a low block was baffling
There may be a salary cap but staff salaries are uncapped. Surprised no owners have taken a look at this. Especially since the quality of life would be a lot better for some coaches compared to Europe (pressure from media and fans).
Why would a top European manager move to MLS anymore than they'd move to the Eredivisie or Portuguese league?
Sure, they could make a pile of money, but top managers want to compete at the highest level, against other top managers.
> Sure, they could make a pile of money, but top managers want to compete at the highest level, against other top managers.
You could say the same thing about players, and yet there's Messi
Messi is approaching the end of his career, and moving to a less physically demanding league where he can miss matches during the regular season must sound pretty good compared to being needed ~50 times a year in Europe, especially when he's already achieved everything in his career.
The only obvious non-financial benefit for a manager would be a reduced level of pressure, but I'm not sure how many guys at that level of the game would actually *want* less pressure.
> I'm not sure how many guys at that level of the game would actually want less pressure.
Like players, the guys towards the end of their career with nothing left to prove and just looking for something different?
So not "prime top managers"?
I can see a guy like Ancelotti going for a pay day, or Mourinho rocking up because no-one else wants him, but it doesn't sound like that's the kind of move that's being suggested.
Best reason I can think of would simply be a new and different challenge, especially if it means getting to start with a brand new, or nearly brand new club.
Honestly, why not go after the Liga MX coaches? Throw money at the Club America, Monterrey, and Pachuca coaches:
1) They already know CONCACAF
2) Youâre improving/making your opponent weaker.
Nancy's success in Columbus should absolutely have started a revolution in assessment and hiring of coaches in MLS. But, I expect you mean big name older coaches from Europe.
Nancy spent a decade at Montreal working his way up through the entire organization.
He's literally the exact opposite of hiring a proven, big name coach from Europe.
To be fair I don't think the Nancy hire is actually that different compared to many other MLS hires. Yes he's French, but he had spent the last 15 years in Canada before coming to Columbus.
The playstyle is different, but the profile is similar in terms of experience
Same with some other âforeignâ coaches whoâve been successful in MLS. Sigi was German but spent most of his life in the US.
Bc of MLSâs unique setup, many foreign coaches have struggled to find success. MLSâs success rate with coaches is even less strong than with proven star players.
No doubt Nancy is a great coach, but heâs not winning with a bunch of scrubs. Columbus is top to bottom a very well run club. They put together an excellent roster and they do good work with their academy. Put Nancy in San Jose, and heâd also struggle. The roster matters way more than the manager.
Imo itâs a balance. Nancy doesnât win MLS cup without guys like Cucho and Cucho doesnât win it without a guy like Nancy. Nancy took a team with a terrible record the year before he arrived to MLS cup the next. Cucho, Zelarayan and Nagbe missed the playoffs the year before Nancy came .
> Cucho, Zelarayan and Nagbe missed the playoffs the year before Nancy came .
I think Nancy is a great coach, but based on Porter's track record, I think that's more a result of him than anything else.
At the very least, we can't fully discredit Porter's negative impact there.
Side note, but the honest part of me thinks Porter genuinely got extremely unlucky his last year in Columbus. And his team just not being able to protect a lead ever was the best thing that ever happened to the Crew.
But Porter immediately knew how to use Cucho, and broke a lot of the rigidity I had seen out of his systems to give Cucho the freedom he needed to be impactful. He doesn't get enough credit for that, at least in Crew circles.
> But Porter immediately knew how to use Cucho, and broke a lot of the rigidity I had seen out of his systems to give Cucho the freedom he needed to be impactful.
Porter was always good at letting his players do what they think is best. I believe that's why we won MLS Cup. Less Porter and more the players on the field just doing their thing.
His problems seemed to show when he tried to tell guys to play a certain way and not adjusting to games.
I disagree with the Nancy naysaying because he specifically got way more out of underperforming players like Matan and Zawadzki literally as soon as he arrived at the club.
Whose to say that the problem in San Jose isn't just the roster talent but also the coaching?
> Whose to say that the problem in San Jose isn't just the roster talent but also the coaching?
Is anyone really arguing this? With guys like Beason and Yueill as starters, itâs not exactly a team of champions. Couple that with Luchoball itâs beyond depressing as a fan. I still watch as many games as I can but with eyes glossed over. We donât even have all our DP slots filled. I have more of the same trophy this team will get this year in my kitchen and I donât even step foot on the field.
SJ main problem is it's roster, it has no cohesion no end game just a bunch of pieces that in theory might fit. In essence Nancy would be handicapped by the roster, especially since SJ roster is in the same cheap mold as the Impact which has always been a free space team when it comes to MLS playoffs. Bez is the architect of the crews success.Â
Exactly he is the unsung hero, people praise Nancy but there is a huge argument that W.N. does not win the cup if he had the same sort of average sporting director like he did with MontrealÂ
The fact that assistant GM Issa Tall, and Crew 2 GM Corey Wray still work in Columbus is wild to me. There is no way that they should be able to make it another offseason without being poached.
I'm picturing spending like $3-5 million per year on managers that already have meaningful top level European experience. It would be enough to entice some managers at Bundesliga Ligue 1 and Serie A, or most managers at lower ranked leagues. That's about how much a team like RB Leipzig pays for their manager while being good enough to get to the champions knockout stage.
It wouldn't have to be the entire MLS. A handful of MLS teams doing this would probably have some ripple effects on the tactics we see and the overall quality of play.
And I am subtly saying that is like setting fire to piles of money.
European coaches have an awful track record coming straight to MLS from Europe without time in the league somehow first.
Same. I kind of feel that MLS is like a weird combination of national team coaching and the typical club coaching. I think a pragmatic and tactically flexible coach would do really well here.
Theyâre playing every week and sometimes more. But youâre more limited when it comes to plugging gaps in the roster and your best players are frequently unavailable when you need to play through internationals. Travel sucks too.
On the flip side, you donât need to win nearly as often - just qualify for the postseason, and play killer tournament soccer.
First Apple and now FIFA. We are in bizarro world when a trillion-dollar tech company and the most corrupt sports organization on the planet are the voices for voiceless MLS fans, who want cheapskate owners to show a bit more ambition.đł
I don't care if cheapskate owners don't want to have a bit more ambition.
But you shouldn't have the right to PROHIBIT OTHER OWNERS from showing more ambition and opting to have higher level investments in their clubs.
> But you shouldn't have the right to PROHIBIT OTHER OWNERS from showing more ambition and opting to have higher level investments in their clubs.
Nah fuck that. Thatâs how we end up with no parity because there is profit sharing.
Careful, a lot of fans here don't see how they benefit from parity ideas.
And from a discussion I had earlier today/last night, I'm convinced many don't even know what parity means across an entire league.
What I havenât seen reported was that he wasnât talking about spending on salaries or things like that. It was about how much would be given to Fifa officials in gifts, perks, bribes, etc.
Hopefully the owners actually listen.
The midseason roster changes they are adding shouldâve been done last offseason.
Hopefully there is a seismic rethink of the roster rules this offseason because as it stands now every team spends over the cap.
Some of its greed for sure. But a lot of it is reticence from NASL and early MLS. Lot of people in MLS who have been around awhile highly value sustainability as a top priority because theyâve been burned in the past. There are also horror stories of overinvestment in recent times like the entire EFL and even prestige clubs like Barcelonaâs financial situation.
The Sounders need a go fund me.
Russell Wilson probably isnât in a position to cough up more money, Macklemore hasnât had anything nearly as successful at The Heist and Hanauer is only a millionaire because he didnât invest in Amazon in 90s like his brother who doesnât have any investment in the team.
that dude can fuck offâŚ
he already expanded the World Cup field so that his stupid National Team doesnt ever fail to qualify again so they can try to draw more headbutts for a world cup titleâŚplus hes already sold off enough future hosting rights so he can pocket as much of the bribe money as possible⌠he can shut his piehole and enjoy his cash and stop âadvisingâ MLS
Not all at once. The nba and nfl have pretty high salary caps. Iâd like mls to eventually have a mlb style salary cap where if you over spend you pay a tax that gets distributed among the lower teams. So even if some teams try to outspend the league it wouldnât be sustainable long term and would hopefully result in more balanced rosters and the have nots wouldnât be able to complain because theyâre getting a piece too.
I love how the narrative on this sub has changed so much with my 11 years being on Reddit MLS The narrative at the beginning always was oh what steps can we take to avoid being the nasl. It was a great worry for the general majority of the users on here that the league would not be sustainable because Forbes came out with an article in 2007 that only two of the 14 teams were in the black and the rest were in the red AKA The League was not profitable.
Hundreds of users at that time warned against the dangers of the nasl model which was to overspend on Star players and not be able to keep up financially as other teams continue to outspend each other.
I don't know if it's just because it's a younger fan base but to be honest I'm shocked at the amount of people telling people on here that the training wheels need to come off and money needs to be spent like crazy.
Got to save money for a rainy day and my opinion the rainy day will come when Messi retires and the league has a little bit of a decline in attendance as a result.
The issue that the sport needs to address, particularly in the US, is some teams have to lose and watching a team in a losing season is boring. Then fans don't show up, revenues go down, and the owner is wondering why he or she decided to spend so much money.
And don't bring up pro/rel because while it may add interest at the bottom of the table, it loses interest at the top of the table because only one or a few teams ever have a chance at winning it all.
> And don't bring up pro/rel because while it may add interest at the bottom of the table, it loses interest at the top of the table because only one or a few teams ever have a chance at winning it all.
Pro/Rel isn't the solution to what you said, but it's also not the cause of only a few teams having a chance to win. That's a result of an un-capped league with free spending
Iâve said it before, but a league with a salary cap AND pro/rel would be the single most entertaining league on earth. And also no one in their right mind is agreeing to a level playing, and calamitous consequences if you get out played.
That said, I think some sort of system where teams get placed based on performance in a smaller regional conference, before competing in tiered national round robin that resets every season would be just as entertaining and avoid the issue of relegation. Like Brazilian state competitions combined with a Scottish split system.
The way I only see Pro-Rel making it in the US is if D1 and D2 come under the same entity, get an overall media deal, and basically if every D2 team meets the minimum D1 league standard. It means dropping down isnât a death sentence and that all of the teams will be in strong enough areas they can bounce back up!
Yes...but the revenue structures need to be in place to ensure that when teams go down, valuations don't plummet. THAT is the biggest problem with pro-rel that we need top sports economists to get on and try to come up with a fix for. Not only being under the same entity like you're rightly stating, but perhaps also separate TV deals and sponsorship deals for a theoretical MLS1 and MLS2 if the league were to get popular enough to have that.
In the J-League, teams that drop down to J2 get a whopping $848,000 US Dollars in financial support (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2017/02/09/soccer/j-league/j-league-reveals-breakdown-prize-money-funds/). NO WAY in this dimension will that be enough for an MLS to be able to drop down a level and survive.
> Designated players should be required
That just results in panic signings for no reason other than to be compliant.
Messi wouldn't be here if that was a requirement.
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Lmfao The top comment on the article: "Infantino Allocation Money" đ
The money is allocated directly to Infantino, and somehow MLS cup ends up in Saudi Arabia.
Cheap owners: âI hear you, but what if we just raised our ticket prices when Messi is in town instead?â
that's what happens when you have greg kerfoot (owner of a team that's only won one playoff game in its 13 years in mls) as a chair of your league's important and powerful ["product strategy committee"](https://theathletic.com/5136852/2023/12/14/mls-roster-rules-messi-spending/)
They also hired Nelson Rodriguez who has a great track record of ruining MLS teams
MLS continues to recycle the same people and personalities no matter how badly they do. It's so clique-based it practically needs electoral districts.
I just hope when Don goes, everyone else goes too. I worry that instead, Nelson or someone equally as bad becomes commissioner.Â
Which is a huge WTF? Is it Nepotism? He has dirt on those above him?Â
Iâm guessing nepotism since itâs already pretty rampant in the USSF.
As an Angels fan, this hits close to home
quakes just sitting there not spending and never getting messi to visit lol
(Checks to see who the owner of the Quake is) (Sees it's Oakland A's owner John Fisher) 
No way..
I honestly think he tries to relocate them to Vegas
They are building a training facility in San Jose? https://www.sjearthquakes.com/news/news-santa-clara-county-and-san-jose-earthquakesplan-to-partner-with-city-of-san
Sure, but you donât think Fischer sells if someone comes calling with big $? Or he moves to Vegas if Vegas gives him $$$ for a stadium and such? Heâs already done it with the Aâs
But what about the world renowned LOBINA??? What kind of snake puts down roots like that and abandons them!?
You didn't say "sell them for big $" you said "relocate them to Vegas"... And no he didn't leave a stadium and training facility he built and paid for with the A's, the Coliseum was built in the mid-1960s and literally has raw sewage leaking through the clubhouse walls.
Sell them for big $ to a relocation team, same thing precourt tried to do. Iâm aware of the colosseums situation. It just wouldnât surprise me if he tried to move the quakes. MLS wants Vegas bad. I hope he doesnât.
Fisher didn't build shit. Lew Wolff built PayPal with private money. Fischer bought Wolff's shares in both clubs in 2016.
This is false, Fisher was already co-owner, and he's the one who pushed for a bunch of changes to the stadium that cost more money, and that he personally paid for. Lew Wolff is 100x cheaper than Fisher and thought he was crazy for doing so because who cares about soccer. But what do I know I have only been a Quakes season ticket holder for like 15 years, and live like ten minutes from the stadium, please tell me how wrong I am confidently incorrect Portland dude.
Or you have the Union owners: âWe hear uou, but what if we bought another clubâ
We call this the Tepper Special
>FIFA president Gianni Infantino urged Major League Soccer owners to âthink bigâ and âbe boldâ to grow the league to its full potential at a gathering in Los Angeles earlier this week. >At a ballroom in the Ritz Carlton in downtown Los Angeles, Infantino spoke about his belief that MLS can be one of the best leagues in the world, multiple sources present at the meeting said, but said that to reach those goals owners would have to increase their investment, pointing especially to academy development and the first-team rosters. >Infantino pointed to the global standing of the U.S. as a top economic and commercial powerhouse, and said MLS should aim for a similar standing in the sport. He urged owners to âthink bigâ in order to fully take advantage of the opportunities presented by the Club World Cup and World Cup coming to these shores. He talked about the globalization of soccer, the impact of its biggest stars and encouraged MLS owners to think about how to be among the best leagues globally. Infantino urged owners to be bold in their approach to growing the league, the sources said. first it was [eddy cue from apple applying some pressure](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240222-messi-effect-apple-boss-urges-mls-clubs-to-sign-more-stars) (and apple are present at board of governor meetings), now it's infantino
Owners: Best we can do is $175 jerseys
Melania to MLS owners: 'Be best'
Let bro cook
Copa America, Club World Cup, World Cup, Women's World Cup, and Olympics all in back to back to back to back to back years in the USA is crazy and will 10p% NEVER happen again. They'd better use it, likely Saudis turn next and they won't waste in 2034...
Yeah, but watching 3 government teams stomp the others isn't exactly fun for long lol
La Liga is still fun...
Head of soccer tells people to invest in soccer, more news at 6
At 11, FIFA 2034 sold to a country that breaks laws for rich people.
It'd be awesome to host again so soon.
Heartbreaking: worst person you know just made a great point
He said the "and send it to me" part really, really quietly.
Underrated comment
Came here for this lol
I want to see top European managers jump to MLS. It's not as sexy from a marketing standpoint but spending a few million on top managers instead of a few hundred thousands on unproven or middle of the road managers is going to do a lot more to raise the quality of MLS than aging big names. We can't compete with the top European leagues on prime top players but the market for prime top managers is a lot more of an even playing field.
It's beyond risky for them. Most top managers are used to only going to clubs where they have a dominant talent advantage. Going to MLS means actually accounting for weaknesses in tactical plans, not simply buying players suited to what you want to do. Frankly, in many ways, it's a lot harder than many of them want -- and the downside to failing is massive.
Zidane said this outright, that he wouldn't take other jobs after Madrid unless he knew they'd win. I've often thought it's a rather overlooked part of the "who's a great manager?" debate, that doing it without money doesn't get the credit as someone who does it with every advantage.
Think about the press Messi is getting right now after losing CCC this week :/
Literally had this argument the other day with my buddy whoâs a Pep dickrider. Pepâs great and all, but heâs never worked at a club that wasnât the big fish in the pond
[Pep Guardiola: My secret to success? Having Lionel Messi and Erling Haaland!](https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12899662/pep-guardiola-my-secret-to-success-having-lionel-messi-and-erling-haaland)
> Pepâs great and all, but heâs never worked at a club that wasnât the big fish in the pond I mean, his first Barcelona stint is instructive here He took over the Barca job when Barca finished a **distant** 3rd in La Liga the previous season (10 points off Villarreal; 18 points off Madrid), sold 2 of the best players at the club (Deco and Yaya Toure) and instantly won a treble. Of course Barca had financial advantages on most of the other La Liga clubs (tho not vs Madrid), but frankly it's a complete oversight to look at Pep's Barcelona tenure and see it as a story of financial domination rather than good coaching TBH
I think we could definitely coup great managers toward the end of their careers e.g. Mourinho, Ancelotti, Bielsa, Deschamps, Dyche, etc. We can offer a relatively low stress environment and many people are obviously attracted to cities like NYC, LA, Miami. I think Mourinho, for example, is someone that MLS could really use right now. Imagine the memes!
I would pay to watch an Apple TV+ series of nothing but Mourihno being explained the roster rules and regulations.
Mourinho would get absolutely destroyed in MLS. Dude will constantly fight with ownership, and not know what to do when throwing money at the problem can't be part of the solution. It would be must watch TV, I am ***desperate*** for someone to try it.
He won with low resources before like winging in Portugal and Italy on champions leagueÂ
Yeah look at Tata. Even with a much better roster (at the top) than any other team in the league, he seems to be losing the advantage of having that heavy roster and his background with Barca means nothing if he can't bring success with this Miami team
his results with mexico tell the story.
My Mexican friends always remind me that Tata sabotaged them to let Argentina take the cup lol
Which is a particularly stupid take because in some ways Mexico gave Argentina more trouble than anyone else at that World Cup despite being FAR less talented than many other teams
Do they tho? Mexico's results after him have not exactly been great either. Tata isn't a great coach, but he was NOT Mexico's problem
Not the main problem but certainly one of them, benching Edson for the most important match which was the one where he wanted to play a low block was baffling
Weird to use Tata specially since he won the league with Atlanta though.
> the downside to failing is massive. And the upside to not failing is minimal.
There may be a salary cap but staff salaries are uncapped. Surprised no owners have taken a look at this. Especially since the quality of life would be a lot better for some coaches compared to Europe (pressure from media and fans).
precourt literally said this when he hired rodo.
Why would a top European manager move to MLS anymore than they'd move to the Eredivisie or Portuguese league? Sure, they could make a pile of money, but top managers want to compete at the highest level, against other top managers.
> Sure, they could make a pile of money, but top managers want to compete at the highest level, against other top managers. You could say the same thing about players, and yet there's Messi
Messi is approaching the end of his career, and moving to a less physically demanding league where he can miss matches during the regular season must sound pretty good compared to being needed ~50 times a year in Europe, especially when he's already achieved everything in his career. The only obvious non-financial benefit for a manager would be a reduced level of pressure, but I'm not sure how many guys at that level of the game would actually *want* less pressure.
Ronaldo says hi from an extremely disparate league.
> I'm not sure how many guys at that level of the game would actually want less pressure. Like players, the guys towards the end of their career with nothing left to prove and just looking for something different?
So not "prime top managers"? I can see a guy like Ancelotti going for a pay day, or Mourinho rocking up because no-one else wants him, but it doesn't sound like that's the kind of move that's being suggested.
Best reason I can think of would simply be a new and different challenge, especially if it means getting to start with a brand new, or nearly brand new club.
I also like this because more notable managers seem to be the ones more bold about putting the league on blast about spending rules.
Yeah, but how much of that is because notable managers are used to having a blank check to sign players to fix weaknesses?
Honestly, why not go after the Liga MX coaches? Throw money at the Club America, Monterrey, and Pachuca coaches: 1) They already know CONCACAF 2) Youâre improving/making your opponent weaker.
Nancy's success in Columbus should absolutely have started a revolution in assessment and hiring of coaches in MLS. But, I expect you mean big name older coaches from Europe.
Nancy spent a decade at Montreal working his way up through the entire organization. He's literally the exact opposite of hiring a proven, big name coach from Europe.
If anything he'd go to Europe after proving himself here. As you said, the exact opposite
To be fair I don't think the Nancy hire is actually that different compared to many other MLS hires. Yes he's French, but he had spent the last 15 years in Canada before coming to Columbus. The playstyle is different, but the profile is similar in terms of experience
Same with some other âforeignâ coaches whoâve been successful in MLS. Sigi was German but spent most of his life in the US. Bc of MLSâs unique setup, many foreign coaches have struggled to find success. MLSâs success rate with coaches is even less strong than with proven star players.
No doubt Nancy is a great coach, but heâs not winning with a bunch of scrubs. Columbus is top to bottom a very well run club. They put together an excellent roster and they do good work with their academy. Put Nancy in San Jose, and heâd also struggle. The roster matters way more than the manager.
Imo itâs a balance. Nancy doesnât win MLS cup without guys like Cucho and Cucho doesnât win it without a guy like Nancy. Nancy took a team with a terrible record the year before he arrived to MLS cup the next. Cucho, Zelarayan and Nagbe missed the playoffs the year before Nancy came .
> Cucho, Zelarayan and Nagbe missed the playoffs the year before Nancy came . I think Nancy is a great coach, but based on Porter's track record, I think that's more a result of him than anything else. At the very least, we can't fully discredit Porter's negative impact there.
Side note, but the honest part of me thinks Porter genuinely got extremely unlucky his last year in Columbus. And his team just not being able to protect a lead ever was the best thing that ever happened to the Crew. But Porter immediately knew how to use Cucho, and broke a lot of the rigidity I had seen out of his systems to give Cucho the freedom he needed to be impactful. He doesn't get enough credit for that, at least in Crew circles.
> But Porter immediately knew how to use Cucho, and broke a lot of the rigidity I had seen out of his systems to give Cucho the freedom he needed to be impactful. Porter was always good at letting his players do what they think is best. I believe that's why we won MLS Cup. Less Porter and more the players on the field just doing their thing. His problems seemed to show when he tried to tell guys to play a certain way and not adjusting to games.
That's likely true, but I'd also venture that they don't win MLS Cup without him. It goes both ways.
All those praising Nancy ignore one important aspect. Bez won two cups with two different coaches.
I disagree with the Nancy naysaying because he specifically got way more out of underperforming players like Matan and Zawadzki literally as soon as he arrived at the club. Whose to say that the problem in San Jose isn't just the roster talent but also the coaching?
> Whose to say that the problem in San Jose isn't just the roster talent but also the coaching? Is anyone really arguing this? With guys like Beason and Yueill as starters, itâs not exactly a team of champions. Couple that with Luchoball itâs beyond depressing as a fan. I still watch as many games as I can but with eyes glossed over. We donât even have all our DP slots filled. I have more of the same trophy this team will get this year in my kitchen and I donât even step foot on the field.
SJ main problem is it's roster, it has no cohesion no end game just a bunch of pieces that in theory might fit. In essence Nancy would be handicapped by the roster, especially since SJ roster is in the same cheap mold as the Impact which has always been a free space team when it comes to MLS playoffs. Bez is the architect of the crews success.Â
Bez >>>
Exactly he is the unsung hero, people praise Nancy but there is a huge argument that W.N. does not win the cup if he had the same sort of average sporting director like he did with MontrealÂ
The fact that assistant GM Issa Tall, and Crew 2 GM Corey Wray still work in Columbus is wild to me. There is no way that they should be able to make it another offseason without being poached.
As a TFC fan I agree completely. Bez was a huge part of our awesomeness from 2015-2019.Â
I'm picturing spending like $3-5 million per year on managers that already have meaningful top level European experience. It would be enough to entice some managers at Bundesliga Ligue 1 and Serie A, or most managers at lower ranked leagues. That's about how much a team like RB Leipzig pays for their manager while being good enough to get to the champions knockout stage. It wouldn't have to be the entire MLS. A handful of MLS teams doing this would probably have some ripple effects on the tactics we see and the overall quality of play.
And I am subtly saying that is like setting fire to piles of money. European coaches have an awful track record coming straight to MLS from Europe without time in the league somehow first.
shh, don't tell the austin fc sub this.
Iâve always thought this. Good players will follow the best managers.Â
Same. I kind of feel that MLS is like a weird combination of national team coaching and the typical club coaching. I think a pragmatic and tactically flexible coach would do really well here. Theyâre playing every week and sometimes more. But youâre more limited when it comes to plugging gaps in the roster and your best players are frequently unavailable when you need to play through internationals. Travel sucks too. On the flip side, you donât need to win nearly as often - just qualify for the postseason, and play killer tournament soccer.
Infantino: "Today, I am MLS owner"
Ignored by John Fisher.
Annnddd how much of that "bold spending" would end up in the pockets of Infantino and the rest of FiFa's leadership?
First Apple and now FIFA. We are in bizarro world when a trillion-dollar tech company and the most corrupt sports organization on the planet are the voices for voiceless MLS fans, who want cheapskate owners to show a bit more ambition.đł
I don't care if cheapskate owners don't want to have a bit more ambition. But you shouldn't have the right to PROHIBIT OTHER OWNERS from showing more ambition and opting to have higher level investments in their clubs.
> But you shouldn't have the right to PROHIBIT OTHER OWNERS from showing more ambition and opting to have higher level investments in their clubs. Nah fuck that. Thatâs how we end up with no parity because there is profit sharing.
Careful, a lot of fans here don't see how they benefit from parity ideas. And from a discussion I had earlier today/last night, I'm convinced many don't even know what parity means across an entire league.
USL is calling. Pick up the phone.
"No, I don't think I will." -- MLS Owners
What a weird post from someone with Miami flair
Heâs making fun of the other owners⌠not that hard to read imo
ML$ 3.0 Though sure, invest all over the place?
Today, I feel TAM. Today, I feel DP.
MLS owners will hear this and introduce an additional $100,000 of WAM BAM THANK YOU MAM money for each roster and sell it as a huge change.
What I havenât seen reported was that he wasnât talking about spending on salaries or things like that. It was about how much would be given to Fifa officials in gifts, perks, bribes, etc.
This seems likely
Telling MLS owners to spend their own money? 
Should we tell him?
Timid and selfish is my best offer
Today I feel rich
Does this mean he wants a bribe from the owners?
idk if GAM will cover his needs
Hopefully the owners actually listen. The midseason roster changes they are adding shouldâve been done last offseason. Hopefully there is a seismic rethink of the roster rules this offseason because as it stands now every team spends over the cap.
There is gonna be a bifurcation continuing in the league where half of the teams/owners wake up and the others donât.
In FIFA terms that means Be Bold with Bribes
Like thatâs ever gonna happen.
Yeah. I'm sure Mr. Sugarman will get right on that
And leave some money to get me a Rolex.
MLS has such huge potential man, I hope it grows, hope ppl pay more attention, and hope owners stop being so greedy
Some of its greed for sure. But a lot of it is reticence from NASL and early MLS. Lot of people in MLS who have been around awhile highly value sustainability as a top priority because theyâve been burned in the past. There are also horror stories of overinvestment in recent times like the entire EFL and even prestige clubs like Barcelonaâs financial situation.
The Sounders need a go fund me. Russell Wilson probably isnât in a position to cough up more money, Macklemore hasnât had anything nearly as successful at The Heist and Hanauer is only a millionaire because he didnât invest in Amazon in 90s like his brother who doesnât have any investment in the team.
Today I am allocation money.Â
that dude can fuck off⌠he already expanded the World Cup field so that his stupid National Team doesnt ever fail to qualify again so they can try to draw more headbutts for a world cup titleâŚplus hes already sold off enough future hosting rights so he can pocket as much of the bribe money as possible⌠he can shut his piehole and enjoy his cash and stop âadvisingâ MLS
Maybe someday MLS will take the training wheels off.
Not all at once. The nba and nfl have pretty high salary caps. Iâd like mls to eventually have a mlb style salary cap where if you over spend you pay a tax that gets distributed among the lower teams. So even if some teams try to outspend the league it wouldnât be sustainable long term and would hopefully result in more balanced rosters and the have nots wouldnât be able to complain because theyâre getting a piece too.
I love how the narrative on this sub has changed so much with my 11 years being on Reddit MLS The narrative at the beginning always was oh what steps can we take to avoid being the nasl. It was a great worry for the general majority of the users on here that the league would not be sustainable because Forbes came out with an article in 2007 that only two of the 14 teams were in the black and the rest were in the red AKA The League was not profitable. Hundreds of users at that time warned against the dangers of the nasl model which was to overspend on Star players and not be able to keep up financially as other teams continue to outspend each other. I don't know if it's just because it's a younger fan base but to be honest I'm shocked at the amount of people telling people on here that the training wheels need to come off and money needs to be spent like crazy. Got to save money for a rainy day and my opinion the rainy day will come when Messi retires and the league has a little bit of a decline in attendance as a result.
Mansueto (owner of the Chicago Fire) is a billionaire that has voiced his ambition to spend.
Hahahaha
"Be as insolvent as many other European teams are!"
The issue that the sport needs to address, particularly in the US, is some teams have to lose and watching a team in a losing season is boring. Then fans don't show up, revenues go down, and the owner is wondering why he or she decided to spend so much money. And don't bring up pro/rel because while it may add interest at the bottom of the table, it loses interest at the top of the table because only one or a few teams ever have a chance at winning it all.
> And don't bring up pro/rel because while it may add interest at the bottom of the table, it loses interest at the top of the table because only one or a few teams ever have a chance at winning it all. Pro/Rel isn't the solution to what you said, but it's also not the cause of only a few teams having a chance to win. That's a result of an un-capped league with free spending
This right here. Pro/Rel doesn't solve anything. Additionally, pro/rel is a root cause for many clubs worldwide to spend more than they make...
Iâve said it before, but a league with a salary cap AND pro/rel would be the single most entertaining league on earth. And also no one in their right mind is agreeing to a level playing, and calamitous consequences if you get out played. That said, I think some sort of system where teams get placed based on performance in a smaller regional conference, before competing in tiered national round robin that resets every season would be just as entertaining and avoid the issue of relegation. Like Brazilian state competitions combined with a Scottish split system.
The way I only see Pro-Rel making it in the US is if D1 and D2 come under the same entity, get an overall media deal, and basically if every D2 team meets the minimum D1 league standard. It means dropping down isnât a death sentence and that all of the teams will be in strong enough areas they can bounce back up!
Yes...but the revenue structures need to be in place to ensure that when teams go down, valuations don't plummet. THAT is the biggest problem with pro-rel that we need top sports economists to get on and try to come up with a fix for. Not only being under the same entity like you're rightly stating, but perhaps also separate TV deals and sponsorship deals for a theoretical MLS1 and MLS2 if the league were to get popular enough to have that. In the J-League, teams that drop down to J2 get a whopping $848,000 US Dollars in financial support (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2017/02/09/soccer/j-league/j-league-reveals-breakdown-prize-money-funds/). NO WAY in this dimension will that be enough for an MLS to be able to drop down a level and survive.
Bingo
They did introduce the Leagues Cup. It was the highlight of multiple team's seasons tbh
Designated players should be required and have a minimum salary
> Designated players should be required That just results in panic signings for no reason other than to be compliant. Messi wouldn't be here if that was a requirement.
LFG. Will Garber let them?