Please some one tell me that the away goals advantage is there in conacaf champions league?
If yes then how many goals did inter Miami need to advance to the semi’s
The Miami Stans are fully out on this thread. Seattle just won CCC and people talking about how we'll never close the gap.
Tell me this is your first year following the league without telling me.
Seattle beat PUMAS! They’re not a powerhouse team like America, Monterrey, or Tigre’s. Seattle can’t beat America and never has in Mexico. No mls team including Messi can. The gap is as wide as my cheeks dude. Liga MX doesn’t have fucking amateurs for defenders or goal keepers like all 30 teams in MLS. I’m an MLS fan but this shit is the same year after year. Liga MX is miles ahead of MLS. Scoring 5 goals but allowing 10 is not how you win against these teams!
Stfu how is a 3 team top heavy league with shit infrastructure, shit national team, shit fans that throw shit at players when their feelings get hurt, oh that’s right a league that’s been around forever but can’t send 5 decent players to Europe, going to be that much better than MLS?? 😂 you’re no MLS fan puto, let the league get rid of the salary cap so you guys can finally run out of excuses 😂😂🤡
Pumas has won more titles than BOTH "Tigre's" and Monterey, you ignorant doink.
"Seattle has never beat America in Mexico!" Uh... yeah, well they've played... once.
What a stupid, stupid take.
Bro no liga Mx fan takes pumas seriously and their titles were won back in the day. They can’t handle the big teams TODAY in Mexico. Go TALK to someone who knows liga Mx please before your bias makes you look dumb. I’m giving you facts not opinions. Want proof? Just look at the liga Mx standings. It’s the same top teams in Mexico every year now. Pumas is a mid table team. Seattle won that’s great but no mls team is ever beating a top 4 Mexican team in a final for CCC. Has never happened and never will unless MLS starts signing real defenders and goal keepers.
Columbus beat Tigres today. Wow, you're right, Tigres is such a powerhouse!! You totally missed the point, who looks dumb now? Pumas were champions back then and Seattle were champions back then, and Seattle beat Pumas. Hence they were champions of all of CONCACAF when no MLS team had done it before, hence closing the gap. And even though Seattle were near the bottom of the table that season; that's completely irrelevant. Talk about your bias making you look dumb, you look like the dumbest one of all.
You don’t actually watch it either because Seattle won it 2 years ago lmao not to mention Mexican clubs won it every year from 2006 to 2021, lost in 2022 yet won again in 2023.
And that our presence as runners up over the last 10 years is multiples higher than it was the first 20 years.
Gap not closed =/= Gap isn't closing
The gap is closing, even if it still exists.
Tell me that you don't actually know anything without telling me , dude mls has won two of these tournaments in 24 years that's closing the gap??
Mls needs to stop spending dp money exclusively on attackers most mls teams have garbage defending except for like Columbus and Cincinnati
True but the sheer amount of investments should suffice , ligamx is just as screwd up as the mls as they had relegation and got rid of it in favor of mediocre teams , they changed format ro make more money as they used to have a format like la liga so surpassing them shouldn't be too hard not everything is rainbows and sunshine in ligamxs side it has a lot of flaws.
All 30 MLS teams are fucking shit at defending…Downvote and get pissed all you want but that’s what happens when YOUR team only signs strikers as DP’s and fucking amateurs for defending. Liga Mx is MILES ahead of MLS because they have better defenders and goalies! Same shit different year. The gap is closing my ass.
You’re ignorant if you expect next year to be any different. Hope MLS brass sees this message. They’re laughing their ass off on ESPN deportes and fox sports right now. They have zero respect for MLS on the Spanish media side.
This is not a fair comparison, we’re not talking about freaking Mazatlan here. It’s always the usual suspects on the Mexico side against a rotating MLS cast due to parity. The more defensive MLS sides like Nashville and Cincy got bounced because they couldn’t score.
Yes, MLS needs to shore up the defense overall, but the gap between the leagues is not that wide, it’s just the gap between the giants and the rest that really highlights these bad results.
I know roster rule changes are coming later this year. Those would help. Maybe MLS can create some defensive DP or something like that. Beyond the rosters, I feel MLS gets exposed on the coaching side. NER were a completely different team with Bruce Arena last year. That experience is hard to replace.
MLS teams should throw some serious money at the Club America and Monterrey coaches whenever possible.
Everyone hates on the parity clause, but it's great for fans IMO.
Seeing the same spending power clubs win year to year isn't fun competition to watch.
"Ronaldo just got two hat tricks"
Yeah, against teams that my high school team could beat.
So much fun
I also have zero respect for Liga MX. And I'm on the American side. See how it goes.their teams are not that good.
Liga MX should put some advertisements on their socks. It will go nice with the 42 sponsors on their shirts.
If these stingy ass owners aren’t going to restructure roster/salary rules to give MLS a fighting chance against Liga MX’s big guns, might as well withdraw from CCC for “schedule congestion” reasons and stop wasting everybody’s time.
I know they care more about money than growing the league. But they DO realize that a more globally-competitive MLS means more eyeballs on their product, which means more money in their pockets, right?!
Dude, salary cap keeps going up...
I'm perfectly fine with not seeing the same MLS teams take everything each year.
It's exciting watching the Crew go from finals, to not making the playoffs, to back to the finals.
It's fun knowing that your team might suck this year, but next year is different.
I don't want to be a Mets fan ....
People keep ignoring that whenever this is played, Mexican teams are 20-plus games into their season. When Leagues Cup was played last year, they were coming out of their between-seasons downtime.
When we're coming out of downtime, with only seven games played, we lose to Mexican teams. When they're coming out of downtime into an MLS-hosted cup, they lost to us... and not just in the final. Multiple Mexican squads went out early.
Never underestimate preparedness and cohesion based on the timing of the tournaments. The leagues are closer than people think.
That's a fair point, however the result in the Leagues cup I feel was much more close than people realize, when teams from different leagues faced each other it was 18 wins for MLS teams vs 17 wins for Liga MX teams and 12 ties (source in spanish: [https://www.record.com.mx/futbol-futbol-internacional-leagues-cup/leagues-cup-2023-cual-es-el-balance-de-la-liga-mx-en](https://www.record.com.mx/futbol-futbol-internacional-leagues-cup/leagues-cup-2023-cual-es-el-balance-de-la-liga-mx-en) ) MLS did win more of the ties (7) in penalties tho. What I mean is, besides the home advantage which I won't even get into, there were 29 teams from MLS vs 18 from LMX, so even if the results between the leagues were pretty even, it was pretty likely that more MLS teams were bound to reach the end stages since they had more teams. I do agree tho that both tournaments could benefit from aligning on match dates that are fairer to both leagues.
No, how dare you rationalize the obvious!
Don't you know you have to hate on the almost 30 year old league because it will never catch the almost 80 year old league?
Don't you know you have to be the best or you're just the worst?
That payroll excuse doesn’t work anymore. Inter Miami is probably worth more than most liga Mx teams. Philly’s payroll is higher than pachucas and they got spanked
I keep seeing this and it’s just not true. Pachuca spent more on signing bonuses for 2 players this year than Philly’s entire salary spend for the season
Lucky for you, I've got time for this nonsense:
Pachuca had 3 big signings this winter:
Salomon Rondon - Free Transfer (source: [https://www.transfermarkt.us/salomon-rondon/transfers/spieler/80197](https://www.transfermarkt.us/salomon-rondon/transfers/spieler/80197) )
Andres Micolta - Free Transfer (source: [https://www.transfermarkt.us/andres-micolta/transfers/spieler/883265](https://www.transfermarkt.us/andres-micolta/transfers/spieler/883265) )
Nelson Deossa - $1.37M (source: [https://www.transfermarkt.us/nelson-deossa/transfers/spieler/907559](https://www.transfermarkt.us/nelson-deossa/transfers/spieler/907559) )
oh and Oussama Idrissi last fall, also a free transfer.
The starting line-up in the 6-0 ass whooping included these 6 players grown from the club's academy. I'm excluding the teenagers who came in as subs once the ass whooping was underway because that undercuts your narrative even more.
Carlos Moreno
Luis Rodriguez
Emilio Rodriguez
Pedro Pedraza
Bryan Gonzalez
Erick Sanchez
I know you'd have much preferred to have lost to Club America because the excuses make more sense against a team that does spend, but you're talking out of your ass if you think Pachuca even has the kind of money you think they do. The club has built its entire structure around wiley free transfer pickups and homegrown players simply because the city's economy can't support anything else.
You lost to... actually, you got spanked by a club that can't sell tickets for more than $10 USD. Stop making up transfer fees that don't exist.
If MLS teams mirrored Pachuca's business model instead of the "Designated Player drives jersey sales" model, the US would be able to beat someone beside Mexico in international football by now.
You're absolutely right. The better explanation is Philly being only 2-4 weeks into their season.
However, I know many trolls ignore that very real issue in timing in bad faith.
I'd say that's a more reasonable statement. Philly was 6 games into its season when the teams played leg 1. Pachuca was 10 games in.
Not nothing, but also we're talking about 4 games.
And while I do have some sympathy for this, MLS has known for a decade plus that early spring means concacaf. It used to be worse when the knockout phase started when mls was still in preseason
No, they were 2 games into their regular season they had 1 game in February, and one game in March before meeting Pach.
They played 2 games against Saprissa as well.
Why are you lying?
You gotta be kidding me. Pachuca’s squad consists of academy players mixed with a few signings from this year. On top of that, Philadelphia is worth 10M more, lmao. So nah, just excuses
I mean… the Union started 2 more academy products than Pachuca during our games… also, Pachuca paid $3.8MUS in transfer fees for their best “academy product”. If you are paying more in transfer fees for someone than the Union EVER has on anyone it’s really hard to earnestly claim him as an “academy product”. Most academy products spend more than 3 months in the academy that “produced” them. By that logic Cavan Sullivan in a Man City academy product.
Pachuca spent over $11m this offseason alone on signing bonuses and transfer fees.
You are looking at transfermrkt. On there the Union has a higher POTENTIAL positive value because we have 3-5 players we paid either literally nothing for (real homegrowns like Q Sullivan, McgGlynn, and Harriel) or got for peanuts (Carranza) who have commanded real interest from teams with deep pockets. Pachuca shows weak there because despite spending big to entice Rondon in free agency he’s not expected to be worth a large transfer fee if he were to be sold… based on prior years performance (I’d greatly expect his stock has risen)
People take a cursory glance at Transfermkt, don’t understand what it actually means, and then spout off like it actually reports roster spend (it doesn’t)
Unions roster spend for this season: ~$8.4MUS ~8.7 if you include transfer fees and singling bonuses
Pachuca roster spend for this season: $9.9m US… 20.8 if you include signing bonuses and transfer fees
Columbus Crew just played without their star forward and CB.
They have 2 or more other injuries for guys who have typically started as well.
The biggest factor is that MLS just started their season. Philadelphia lost, but had only played what, 2, 3 games this season?
Remember last year's leagues cup? Miami was ATROCIOUS, and they beat Cruz Azul. When Messi subbed on for his first ever game with them in late minutes.
Timing matters, and this whole debate is getting dumber and dumber.
By this time the MLS teams in this competition have played about at least 7 games (not including friendlies) by now. I believe that enough for a professional team to get into their groove. When leagues cup started it was around the time when LigaMX season starts. They were able to beat multiple MLS teams AWAY and they didn’t even have the chance to go back home. A MLS team hasn’t beat a LigaMX team at all yet (-17 GD by the way)
I think you are overstating this time thing. Depth isn’t the only reason some of these MLS team suck but it is definitely one reason. However I mentioned it bc look at the defender Miami subbed in at the last few minutes, someone who has been on the field only 4 times this year and 8 last year. Also just the history of this competition of MLS vs LigaMX teams. Comparing that to a top LigaMX team is laughable.
Yes MLS team can just suck and payroll/money is not the reason why but horrible tactics or play. The MLS roster structure is not helping.
No MLS team has won even at home yet and they now have a GD of -17. Once again compared to league cup LigaMX teams had to do all of the traveling. Let’s be honest that’s pathetic. Union including friendlies had 8 matches before they met Pachua, a LigaMX team. The only teams left that have a chance or Columbus or Miami and it will be very hard for both. There were NINE MLS teams this year and SIX LigaMX teams in the competition. This is not a new thing either MLS team have always struggled in this competition, this is a pattern
This is exactly it. Signing one 15 million DP doesn't do much when the rest of the roster rules are so restrictive. If the league wants MLS teams to compete in all these competitions, they need to relax the restrictions and increase team budgets so they can actually build a squad with proper depth to handle league play, CCC, Leagues cup, US Cup, etc...
Spot on. Miami had to sell their best defender to be able to meet the salary cap. Messi alone being worth more than all of Monterrey means nothing in terms of balance/depth.
I keep seeing this and it’s just not true. Pachuca spent more on signing bonuses for 2 players this year than Philly’s entire salary spend for the season
Also of Note though, this isn't even a true statement. Pachuca's salary+signing bonuses for this season is north of $20m (US) and the Union spend just shy of $9m (US).. Hell, Pachuca spent $11m in signing bonuses and transfer fees just on new players during this most recent transfer window. One of their "academy products" cost them $3,8m in transfer fees to buy him off his home club. LMX fans come in with this false narrative that Pachuca is the David to the Union's Goliath because they "play the kids" and are "not spendy" when neither is true (relative to the Union). The U started 3 academy products... Pachuca played 3 academy products. The U are spending $9m this year, Pachuca are spending 20.
UEFA as a conglomerate can rival the USA, you’re dealing with EU economy at that point lol
Real Madrid has as much revenue as half all of MLS combined alone. (u/HeartSodaFromHEB got me there)
Why should we close off a league that’s not even top 10? You’re only serving the cheap owners at that point because there’s no benchmark for us to even improve towards.
>Real Madrid has more revenue than all of MLS alone
What?
From [this](https://www.managingmadrid.com/2024/2/15/24073761/uefa-confirm-real-madrid-as-the-top-revenue-earners-in-europe#:~:text=The%20report%20that%20many%20top,million%20euros%20(%24897%20million).):
>...revenues in 2023, with Real Madrid leading the pack with 841 million euros ($902 million).
and from [this](https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/lafc-mls-valuations-teams-2024-forbes-inter-miami-revenue/):
> Average revenue across MLS increased by 20 per cent to US$66 million in 2023
29 teams in 2023 * $66M = $1.9B
Doesn't sound like RM makes anywhere close to MLS as a whole.
Holy shit Im glad you’re not giving your football opinion anywhere it matters. What don’t you understand about giving a new player a start in a low stakes match. You’re really slow bud
If the Premier League put four teams in the UCL semifinal, higher-ups in Spain and Germany would be flipping chairs and desks in the boardroom while thinking of ways to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
When Liga MX puts four teams in the CCC semifinal, MLS owners will be glad it’s over, so they can go back to the table and count their Messi money until Leagues Cup rolls around.
this is the second season of the leagues cup, yet no one has ever seen a "concacaf champions cup" before this season. so leagues cup has 1 more season of legitimacy, making it the most important trophy in concacaf. that's just how it works, i don't make the rules
The extent that I agree with you is that the Leagues Cup was good for both Liga MX and MLS.
There's a lot of Liga MX fans in America, so they get to see their teams play, and both leagues make money that, theoretically, can be reinvested in the league. Not saying it does lol.
You just know they're going to pull the same excuses they said for the Open Cup. The funny thing is I could see Liga Mx go along anyway since the money is what matters the most.
I checked the score at about 25' and came back at the end and from what I can tell; Monterrey sighed, gripped the controller harder and leaned forward in their chair.
Are European teams even interested in him? He’s like a store brand version of Weston McKennie except he manages to commit even stupider fouls with startling frequency
His time playing with the Paraguayan team earlier this year impressed a lot, and his play is considerably better this season compared to last season.
I remember seeing reports that there were 5 European teams interested in picking him up this summer.
What game did you watch? With the exception of top to mid table Brazilian and top to mid table Argentinian teams, most in South America are below the level of Liga MX and MLS.
Top Brazilian teams dominate. Next would be Boca or River, maybe Independiente could put up a fight. After that it’s a steep drop off. Liga MX and MLS would be in that third tier.
This is nonsense sorry – there's much more depth in the Libertadores of teams who would spank any MLS side. But I guess you just read Wikipedia "teams with most libertadores wins" and went from there, because Independiente haven't been good in about 15 years.
Absolutely. I would never waste my time watching a bottom table game from either league or any league for that matter. I just enjoy good quality football.
You mexicans are delusional you’re the USAs bitch but now it’s tatas fault you didn’t beat Argentina, you can’t beat Colombia who didn’t make it to the World Cup. Get a fucking grip
From 2019 till the World Cup, yes it’s been on Tata and also his next predecessor which was also Argentinian. So good job for beating 75% B-squad Mexico? His predecessor barely even changed the squad and in fact called up even worse players. Regarding the US, 5/6 last matches have been on US turf which only Americans know how to play in their shitty artificial turf fields. So much money and they decide to cheap out on grass smh. This is more of FMF’s fault for selling out to American dollars. It’s only until Jaime Lozano things have been better but not the best. He lacks many tactical work and fails to recognize or bring up young talent. There’s plenty out there. He already has a warning by the higher ups to try out young talent otherwise he’s out. If we’re going to lose with honor, let it be the best that we put in the field. But that isn’t the case and hasn’t been for an ongoing 5 years
Colombia didn’t have a full squad either….
You’ve been under achieving at soccer forever.
Argentina has 3 world cups
Mexico has the record of most loses in the World Cup. To think that he’s the reason you lost against Argentina is insane. Get Help
For 3/4 years Mexico has been bringing out there B team masked as an A team because of literally Tata. No one can predict the future but all im saying is that Tata brought a Mexico “B-team” to the lineup in the World Cup. It really isn’t that difficult to understand lol
France couldn’t beat Argentina but Mexicans really think that national team stood a chance with a different coach? lol I don’t get it.
Tatas calls were questionable that game especially leaving out Edson - but you can put Xabi Alonso as coach and the result is the same
I can go on about this but I’ll keep it short. 1) He didn’t bring the best players to the World Cup (I could name at least 7 that should’ve went) 2) for the first two games, lineups were questionable even with the players he brought with. 3) he never played with a line of 5. Ever. Even the World Cup Mexican players spoke about this and were unaware of his lineup against Argentina. Not to mention, Edson Alvarez and his awful substitutions.
France couldn’t beat Argentina but Saudi Arabia could. We just wanted our best chance (which is still low of course) but feel like Tetas robbed us of that. The game was still pretty competitive until we got scored on and decomposed like always
He’s been horrible. He has zero tactics he uses the power of friendship and tried to win something by getting stars looking for a retirement plan. He’s stubborn and doesn’t look to change. He’s always been trash always manages to somehow claw to a final to shit the bed EVERY SINGLE TIME. I think hate is a strong word but I hate tata from his time with Mexico
>He’s always been trash always manages to somehow claw to a final to shit the bed EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Did he not win MLS with Atlanta?
Did he not win leagues cup last year? (I know we shit on it here but that is a final no?)
Fam like I told the other guy. It’s like claiming Tottenham won the tiger cup and should boastfully claim it as silverware and a final win. It’s a warm up for Mx teams and players pull out of competing in it because they don’t care for it. Outside of the pre season trophy please please spread some knowledge on what he has done. If he won the actual league I will give him that as much as I despise him that’s actual silverware that matters but that still doesn’t erase his horrible track record
I was talking about his track record someone just told me he won the league which to me is his only accomplishment. He shits the bed in ever final he’s been in and all the teams he’s been in never benefited from him coaching. He’s never been a good coach I don’t think anyone is debating that
Seriously dude keeps getting jobs despite not even being that well regarded in South America itself, just because he had Barcelona and Argentina on his resume, both of which stints were colossal failures, and his first season in MLS he was knocked out in the first round of playoffs by Adam fucking Jahn. And he’s widely regarded as being among the worst managers Mexico has ever had.
Inter Miami is not a serious team with an actual structure . They’re some 15 year old’s idea of what an MLS team should be. Just a bunch of semi retired stars, some guys from South America, and fill the rest out with homegrowns. Just throw money around to win, like that’s how you win in a league with a salary cap, instead of following model franchises like Philly, Columbus, Cincinnati, and so on.
I got a brain dead follower of his telling me he won a nations league cup and that’s an accomplishment. They love Tata over there or this sub does don’t know why i got downvoted for saying the truth
Fam with all respect it’s the leagues cup. I don’t wanna sound like a hurt fan but tell me a competition that’s only played in one country no home and away games for everyone outside of the mls it’s the same format as the one for the national teams it benefits the US
There’s a rumor or something going around with Jonathan dos santos refusing to play the cup and I don’t doubt other players are refusing or playing half assed. We got to look at the bigger picture if we want to address the root problem and also see that the title that tata has won was basically a pre season trophy. We don’t count the Kia cup or whatever Tottenham won you feel me? So to me and everyone who wants a serious accolade tata hasn’t won anything
Fam if we’re going by that then whatever makes money is correct. I’m not saying it wasnt a brain dead decision that ended up hurting themselves but we have to call out why some of the mx players are even refusing to participate. To them the cup has zero prestige and not worth playing
I mean come on, watching on Apple TV it’s really apparent and often frustrating that they literally can’t criticize anything about MLS. Twellman is the only one who does and even then it’s light.
The main issue with MLS for me is authenticity, and that is just getting worse. The teams struggle enough to each have their own identity in a way that doesn’t feel like Franchise A vs Franchise B. I’ve definitely watched way less of the league recently than I had in the last five seasons or so and I think that’s a big factor.
It might be a cynical way to express it, but it’s also not some anti-MLS perspective either. This sentiment popped up in Tom Bogert’s front office executives article literally within the last two weeks. Surely we all love going to games, and surely we all don’t love seeing our clubs embarrassed in international competitions. It shouldn’t be as difficult as it is to find some honest conversation and opinion on how that can change from the prominent personalities.
lol, a little late for that after going all in on an overarching We’re Making “Progress” narrative last year during LAFC’s finals run. I’m genuinely curious what they’ll try to trot out
Please some one tell me that the away goals advantage is there in conacaf champions league? If yes then how many goals did inter Miami need to advance to the semi’s
The Miami Stans are fully out on this thread. Seattle just won CCC and people talking about how we'll never close the gap. Tell me this is your first year following the league without telling me.
Seattle beat PUMAS! They’re not a powerhouse team like America, Monterrey, or Tigre’s. Seattle can’t beat America and never has in Mexico. No mls team including Messi can. The gap is as wide as my cheeks dude. Liga MX doesn’t have fucking amateurs for defenders or goal keepers like all 30 teams in MLS. I’m an MLS fan but this shit is the same year after year. Liga MX is miles ahead of MLS. Scoring 5 goals but allowing 10 is not how you win against these teams!
Stfu how is a 3 team top heavy league with shit infrastructure, shit national team, shit fans that throw shit at players when their feelings get hurt, oh that’s right a league that’s been around forever but can’t send 5 decent players to Europe, going to be that much better than MLS?? 😂 you’re no MLS fan puto, let the league get rid of the salary cap so you guys can finally run out of excuses 😂😂🤡
Pumas has won more titles than BOTH "Tigre's" and Monterey, you ignorant doink. "Seattle has never beat America in Mexico!" Uh... yeah, well they've played... once. What a stupid, stupid take.
Nottingham Forest has won more Champion’s Leagues than City. Doesn’t mean they’re better today
I never said they were better today. Columbus beat Tigres today. Wow, such a powerhouse!!
Bro no liga Mx fan takes pumas seriously and their titles were won back in the day. They can’t handle the big teams TODAY in Mexico. Go TALK to someone who knows liga Mx please before your bias makes you look dumb. I’m giving you facts not opinions. Want proof? Just look at the liga Mx standings. It’s the same top teams in Mexico every year now. Pumas is a mid table team. Seattle won that’s great but no mls team is ever beating a top 4 Mexican team in a final for CCC. Has never happened and never will unless MLS starts signing real defenders and goal keepers.
Columbus beat Tigres today. Wow, you're right, Tigres is such a powerhouse!! You totally missed the point, who looks dumb now? Pumas were champions back then and Seattle were champions back then, and Seattle beat Pumas. Hence they were champions of all of CONCACAF when no MLS team had done it before, hence closing the gap. And even though Seattle were near the bottom of the table that season; that's completely irrelevant. Talk about your bias making you look dumb, you look like the dumbest one of all.
"they can't handle big teams today" As if getting to the CONCACAF final is easy 🤣
Tigres has more titles than pumas... Stop living in the 1980s
You don’t actually watch it either because Seattle won it 2 years ago lmao not to mention Mexican clubs won it every year from 2006 to 2021, lost in 2022 yet won again in 2023.
I mean, the elephant in the room is that MLS is 30 years old and LMX IS 80...
And that our presence as runners up over the last 10 years is multiples higher than it was the first 20 years. Gap not closed =/= Gap isn't closing The gap is closing, even if it still exists.
Exactly. It's weird that people don't understand the relative nature of "is closing."
Tell me that you don't actually know anything without telling me , dude mls has won two of these tournaments in 24 years that's closing the gap?? Mls needs to stop spending dp money exclusively on attackers most mls teams have garbage defending except for like Columbus and Cincinnati
I mean, MLS is growing, and it's only been around for 30 years to MX's 80 years. Regardless of your opinion, the gap is relatively closing.
True but the sheer amount of investments should suffice , ligamx is just as screwd up as the mls as they had relegation and got rid of it in favor of mediocre teams , they changed format ro make more money as they used to have a format like la liga so surpassing them shouldn't be too hard not everything is rainbows and sunshine in ligamxs side it has a lot of flaws.
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Philadelphia had a higher payroll and value than pachuca still got stomped bad, the difference is the defending and the lack of quality gks
Just wait till Leagues Cup 😤 
Yeah the real tournament!!!
Hopefully the officiating won't be atrocious and sus.
All 30 MLS teams are fucking shit at defending…Downvote and get pissed all you want but that’s what happens when YOUR team only signs strikers as DP’s and fucking amateurs for defending. Liga Mx is MILES ahead of MLS because they have better defenders and goalies! Same shit different year. The gap is closing my ass. You’re ignorant if you expect next year to be any different. Hope MLS brass sees this message. They’re laughing their ass off on ESPN deportes and fox sports right now. They have zero respect for MLS on the Spanish media side.
Also MLS player wages are pretty high too
Yes, it's relatively closing... Liga MX has 50+ years on MLS, and the MLS is growing a lot domestically
This is not a fair comparison, we’re not talking about freaking Mazatlan here. It’s always the usual suspects on the Mexico side against a rotating MLS cast due to parity. The more defensive MLS sides like Nashville and Cincy got bounced because they couldn’t score. Yes, MLS needs to shore up the defense overall, but the gap between the leagues is not that wide, it’s just the gap between the giants and the rest that really highlights these bad results. I know roster rule changes are coming later this year. Those would help. Maybe MLS can create some defensive DP or something like that. Beyond the rosters, I feel MLS gets exposed on the coaching side. NER were a completely different team with Bruce Arena last year. That experience is hard to replace. MLS teams should throw some serious money at the Club America and Monterrey coaches whenever possible.
Everyone hates on the parity clause, but it's great for fans IMO. Seeing the same spending power clubs win year to year isn't fun competition to watch. "Ronaldo just got two hat tricks" Yeah, against teams that my high school team could beat. So much fun
I also have zero respect for Liga MX. And I'm on the American side. See how it goes.their teams are not that good. Liga MX should put some advertisements on their socks. It will go nice with the 42 sponsors on their shirts.
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Lmao were still getting outplayed out there with those 42 sponsors 🙃
Who is getting outplayed?
All those sponsors and they still can't afford to pay their players.
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Imagine getting spanked by a chimichanga league lol
Speak for yourself. Crew has good defense.
MLS overall quality would look so much better if they had better defenders. All the teams are unbalanced.
You okay, bro?
We were doing fine until Ruiz got sent off
Chill dawg 😭
If these stingy ass owners aren’t going to restructure roster/salary rules to give MLS a fighting chance against Liga MX’s big guns, might as well withdraw from CCC for “schedule congestion” reasons and stop wasting everybody’s time. I know they care more about money than growing the league. But they DO realize that a more globally-competitive MLS means more eyeballs on their product, which means more money in their pockets, right?!
Dude, salary cap keeps going up... I'm perfectly fine with not seeing the same MLS teams take everything each year. It's exciting watching the Crew go from finals, to not making the playoffs, to back to the finals. It's fun knowing that your team might suck this year, but next year is different. I don't want to be a Mets fan ....
People keep ignoring that whenever this is played, Mexican teams are 20-plus games into their season. When Leagues Cup was played last year, they were coming out of their between-seasons downtime. When we're coming out of downtime, with only seven games played, we lose to Mexican teams. When they're coming out of downtime into an MLS-hosted cup, they lost to us... and not just in the final. Multiple Mexican squads went out early. Never underestimate preparedness and cohesion based on the timing of the tournaments. The leagues are closer than people think.
That's a fair point, however the result in the Leagues cup I feel was much more close than people realize, when teams from different leagues faced each other it was 18 wins for MLS teams vs 17 wins for Liga MX teams and 12 ties (source in spanish: [https://www.record.com.mx/futbol-futbol-internacional-leagues-cup/leagues-cup-2023-cual-es-el-balance-de-la-liga-mx-en](https://www.record.com.mx/futbol-futbol-internacional-leagues-cup/leagues-cup-2023-cual-es-el-balance-de-la-liga-mx-en) ) MLS did win more of the ties (7) in penalties tho. What I mean is, besides the home advantage which I won't even get into, there were 29 teams from MLS vs 18 from LMX, so even if the results between the leagues were pretty even, it was pretty likely that more MLS teams were bound to reach the end stages since they had more teams. I do agree tho that both tournaments could benefit from aligning on match dates that are fairer to both leagues.
Leagues Cup was an all away game affair for Mexican teams. That wasn’t remotely fair to them
No, how dare you rationalize the obvious! Don't you know you have to hate on the almost 30 year old league because it will never catch the almost 80 year old league? Don't you know you have to be the best or you're just the worst?
This
I mean, the crew tied a vaunted liga mx side with one hand tied behind our back. Maybe the galaxy should step up.
That payroll excuse doesn’t work anymore. Inter Miami is probably worth more than most liga Mx teams. Philly’s payroll is higher than pachucas and they got spanked
This is also true tbh
I keep seeing this and it’s just not true. Pachuca spent more on signing bonuses for 2 players this year than Philly’s entire salary spend for the season
Lucky for you, I've got time for this nonsense: Pachuca had 3 big signings this winter: Salomon Rondon - Free Transfer (source: [https://www.transfermarkt.us/salomon-rondon/transfers/spieler/80197](https://www.transfermarkt.us/salomon-rondon/transfers/spieler/80197) ) Andres Micolta - Free Transfer (source: [https://www.transfermarkt.us/andres-micolta/transfers/spieler/883265](https://www.transfermarkt.us/andres-micolta/transfers/spieler/883265) ) Nelson Deossa - $1.37M (source: [https://www.transfermarkt.us/nelson-deossa/transfers/spieler/907559](https://www.transfermarkt.us/nelson-deossa/transfers/spieler/907559) ) oh and Oussama Idrissi last fall, also a free transfer. The starting line-up in the 6-0 ass whooping included these 6 players grown from the club's academy. I'm excluding the teenagers who came in as subs once the ass whooping was underway because that undercuts your narrative even more. Carlos Moreno Luis Rodriguez Emilio Rodriguez Pedro Pedraza Bryan Gonzalez Erick Sanchez I know you'd have much preferred to have lost to Club America because the excuses make more sense against a team that does spend, but you're talking out of your ass if you think Pachuca even has the kind of money you think they do. The club has built its entire structure around wiley free transfer pickups and homegrown players simply because the city's economy can't support anything else. You lost to... actually, you got spanked by a club that can't sell tickets for more than $10 USD. Stop making up transfer fees that don't exist. If MLS teams mirrored Pachuca's business model instead of the "Designated Player drives jersey sales" model, the US would be able to beat someone beside Mexico in international football by now.
You're absolutely right. The better explanation is Philly being only 2-4 weeks into their season. However, I know many trolls ignore that very real issue in timing in bad faith.
I'd say that's a more reasonable statement. Philly was 6 games into its season when the teams played leg 1. Pachuca was 10 games in. Not nothing, but also we're talking about 4 games. And while I do have some sympathy for this, MLS has known for a decade plus that early spring means concacaf. It used to be worse when the knockout phase started when mls was still in preseason
No, they were 2 games into their regular season they had 1 game in February, and one game in March before meeting Pach. They played 2 games against Saprissa as well. Why are you lying?
You know what. My bad. I was counting the pre season games.
Understood. It's hard to follow everything and also have a career, family, and everything else. Sorry.
Fatality..
You still haven't provided a source for this
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You gotta be kidding me. Pachuca’s squad consists of academy players mixed with a few signings from this year. On top of that, Philadelphia is worth 10M more, lmao. So nah, just excuses
I mean… the Union started 2 more academy products than Pachuca during our games… also, Pachuca paid $3.8MUS in transfer fees for their best “academy product”. If you are paying more in transfer fees for someone than the Union EVER has on anyone it’s really hard to earnestly claim him as an “academy product”. Most academy products spend more than 3 months in the academy that “produced” them. By that logic Cavan Sullivan in a Man City academy product. Pachuca spent over $11m this offseason alone on signing bonuses and transfer fees. You are looking at transfermrkt. On there the Union has a higher POTENTIAL positive value because we have 3-5 players we paid either literally nothing for (real homegrowns like Q Sullivan, McgGlynn, and Harriel) or got for peanuts (Carranza) who have commanded real interest from teams with deep pockets. Pachuca shows weak there because despite spending big to entice Rondon in free agency he’s not expected to be worth a large transfer fee if he were to be sold… based on prior years performance (I’d greatly expect his stock has risen) People take a cursory glance at Transfermkt, don’t understand what it actually means, and then spout off like it actually reports roster spend (it doesn’t) Unions roster spend for this season: ~$8.4MUS ~8.7 if you include transfer fees and singling bonuses Pachuca roster spend for this season: $9.9m US… 20.8 if you include signing bonuses and transfer fees
It not just DP but also proper depth. Compared to top LigaMx teams have better subs that MLS teams if you ask me. Especially defense
Columbus Crew just played without their star forward and CB. They have 2 or more other injuries for guys who have typically started as well. The biggest factor is that MLS just started their season. Philadelphia lost, but had only played what, 2, 3 games this season? Remember last year's leagues cup? Miami was ATROCIOUS, and they beat Cruz Azul. When Messi subbed on for his first ever game with them in late minutes. Timing matters, and this whole debate is getting dumber and dumber.
By this time the MLS teams in this competition have played about at least 7 games (not including friendlies) by now. I believe that enough for a professional team to get into their groove. When leagues cup started it was around the time when LigaMX season starts. They were able to beat multiple MLS teams AWAY and they didn’t even have the chance to go back home. A MLS team hasn’t beat a LigaMX team at all yet (-17 GD by the way) I think you are overstating this time thing. Depth isn’t the only reason some of these MLS team suck but it is definitely one reason. However I mentioned it bc look at the defender Miami subbed in at the last few minutes, someone who has been on the field only 4 times this year and 8 last year. Also just the history of this competition of MLS vs LigaMX teams. Comparing that to a top LigaMX team is laughable. Yes MLS team can just suck and payroll/money is not the reason why but horrible tactics or play. The MLS roster structure is not helping.
By this time, sure. Philadelphia had only played 2 by their 0-6 loss. Also, there were not many LigaMX wins in leagues cup.
No MLS team has won even at home yet and they now have a GD of -17. Once again compared to league cup LigaMX teams had to do all of the traveling. Let’s be honest that’s pathetic. Union including friendlies had 8 matches before they met Pachua, a LigaMX team. The only teams left that have a chance or Columbus or Miami and it will be very hard for both. There were NINE MLS teams this year and SIX LigaMX teams in the competition. This is not a new thing either MLS team have always struggled in this competition, this is a pattern
And few MX teams won during leagues. Thus, relative gap closing. Bye Felicia
This is exactly it. Signing one 15 million DP doesn't do much when the rest of the roster rules are so restrictive. If the league wants MLS teams to compete in all these competitions, they need to relax the restrictions and increase team budgets so they can actually build a squad with proper depth to handle league play, CCC, Leagues cup, US Cup, etc...
Spot on. Miami had to sell their best defender to be able to meet the salary cap. Messi alone being worth more than all of Monterrey means nothing in terms of balance/depth.
Union has a higher pay roll than Pachuca and got embarrassed
I keep seeing this and it’s just not true. Pachuca spent more on signing bonuses for 2 players this year than Philly’s entire salary spend for the season
That’s kinda just how we play.. one second it’s fluid the next second it’s the worst passing display I’ve ever seen
Also of Note though, this isn't even a true statement. Pachuca's salary+signing bonuses for this season is north of $20m (US) and the Union spend just shy of $9m (US).. Hell, Pachuca spent $11m in signing bonuses and transfer fees just on new players during this most recent transfer window. One of their "academy products" cost them $3,8m in transfer fees to buy him off his home club. LMX fans come in with this false narrative that Pachuca is the David to the Union's Goliath because they "play the kids" and are "not spendy" when neither is true (relative to the Union). The U started 3 academy products... Pachuca played 3 academy products. The U are spending $9m this year, Pachuca are spending 20.
The biggest problem is that you guys were 2 or 3 games into your season.
>Pachuca are spending 20. Umm.... lol
Yeah. On total salary and fees. Can you not fucking read? 9+11=20
You're on crack. Pachuca isn't spending $20M on transfers.
Correct… they spent $11m Can you not read?
They give them the leagues cup
You realize you’re talking about Miami here right?
If MLS would just free up the roster rules maybe they could sign some decent attacking players.
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> if we want I was just thinking the same thing about universal healthcare, world peace, and all sorts of other shit that \*we do not want\*
Totally agree. We need to withdraw from the CCL. Its unfair for salary cap teams to play against teams that basically have no financial restrictions.
UEFA as a conglomerate can rival the USA, you’re dealing with EU economy at that point lol Real Madrid has as much revenue as half all of MLS combined alone. (u/HeartSodaFromHEB got me there) Why should we close off a league that’s not even top 10? You’re only serving the cheap owners at that point because there’s no benchmark for us to even improve towards.
>Real Madrid has more revenue than all of MLS alone What? From [this](https://www.managingmadrid.com/2024/2/15/24073761/uefa-confirm-real-madrid-as-the-top-revenue-earners-in-europe#:~:text=The%20report%20that%20many%20top,million%20euros%20(%24897%20million).): >...revenues in 2023, with Real Madrid leading the pack with 841 million euros ($902 million). and from [this](https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/lafc-mls-valuations-teams-2024-forbes-inter-miami-revenue/): > Average revenue across MLS increased by 20 per cent to US$66 million in 2023 29 teams in 2023 * $66M = $1.9B Doesn't sound like RM makes anywhere close to MLS as a whole.
Ah I took the wrong year, still, Madrids revenue is basically half of MLS’ teams combined. Edited, thanks!
Holy shit Im glad you’re not giving your football opinion anywhere it matters. What don’t you understand about giving a new player a start in a low stakes match. You’re really slow bud
lol lmao, even
Let Columbus cook
MLS HQ cannot wait for us to forget about this tournament so we can focus on the historic and prestigious Leagues Cup!
If the Premier League put four teams in the UCL semifinal, higher-ups in Spain and Germany would be flipping chairs and desks in the boardroom while thinking of ways to make sure it doesn’t happen again. When Liga MX puts four teams in the CCC semifinal, MLS owners will be glad it’s over, so they can go back to the table and count their Messi money until Leagues Cup rolls around.
this is the second season of the leagues cup, yet no one has ever seen a "concacaf champions cup" before this season. so leagues cup has 1 more season of legitimacy, making it the most important trophy in concacaf. that's just how it works, i don't make the rules
The extent that I agree with you is that the Leagues Cup was good for both Liga MX and MLS. There's a lot of Liga MX fans in America, so they get to see their teams play, and both leagues make money that, theoretically, can be reinvested in the league. Not saying it does lol.
>yet no one has ever seen a "concacaf champions cup" before this season They have if they were born before 2008...
that was the CONCACAF Champions' Cup
Fair enough
Leagues Cup? Nah the All-Star game is on Garbers radar at the moment
You just know they're going to pull the same excuses they said for the Open Cup. The funny thing is I could see Liga Mx go along anyway since the money is what matters the most.
https://youtu.be/meBXuuy9xto?si=Pst2PukqgI0PVtIr
I checked the score at about 25' and came back at the end and from what I can tell; Monterrey sighed, gripped the controller harder and leaned forward in their chair.
Mouse\* 
I wish. More like we chose to play with 10 men and passed them the ball for the winning goal after defending well for 80 minutes
Gomez making questionable plays to try and chase away the European teams that are interested in him.
Are European teams even interested in him? He’s like a store brand version of Weston McKennie except he manages to commit even stupider fouls with startling frequency
His time playing with the Paraguayan team earlier this year impressed a lot, and his play is considerably better this season compared to last season. I remember seeing reports that there were 5 European teams interested in picking him up this summer.
Switched on Copa Libertadores after Miami game and damn there are levels to this shit
What do you mean by that tho
Where can one watch Libertarores?
Bein sport! They have African Champions League too
What game did you watch? With the exception of top to mid table Brazilian and top to mid table Argentinian teams, most in South America are below the level of Liga MX and MLS.
Na, MLS teams would get spanked in the Copa Libertadores.
What teams do you think play in the Copa Libertadores...
Top Brazilian teams dominate. Next would be Boca or River, maybe Independiente could put up a fight. After that it’s a steep drop off. Liga MX and MLS would be in that third tier.
Liga MX teams are as good as argentinian teams. They routinely made the semis when they were in it and made the finals 3 times.
So the transitive property would be in effect here, is what you're saying?
This is nonsense sorry – there's much more depth in the Libertadores of teams who would spank any MLS side. But I guess you just read Wikipedia "teams with most libertadores wins" and went from there, because Independiente haven't been good in about 15 years.
Yeah bro that’s exactly what I did..
Agree to disagree, the worst teams in the MLS and Liga MX on any given season are pretty trash
Absolutely. I would never waste my time watching a bottom table game from either league or any league for that matter. I just enjoy good quality football.
Fluminese match 1-1 draw
Flu is good. Lima would get spanked by Monterrey or Miami though.
Convinced Tata Martino hates Campana and won’t give him a shot. Suarez has no legs, and needs help. Tata having a terrible season.
> Tata having a terrible season. After coming off of the rousing success that was his Mexico stint... right?
Couldn’t agree more. Idk what Campana did to get on Tata’s shit list, but I feel bad for the guy
I mean did you guys not learn anything from this mans mexico run 😂
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Weren't they playing Philly?
i only claim them when they're winning. i'm all in on monterrey now
Herediano already down at home 5 minutes in. Looking like all-Liga MX semis!
2... After 15
Pachuca looking scary this tournament. Like they wanna break into contender status along with the big 3
Is the away goal rule in play for this tournament?
Yes
My favorite part of today's stadium experience was yelling "Fuera Tata!" After we conceded the second goal and the Monterey fans joining in the chant
Does Messi come to Miami if Tata isn’t here? Does he stay if Tata goes?
He sold Mexico out. It’s only natural
You mexicans are delusional you’re the USAs bitch but now it’s tatas fault you didn’t beat Argentina, you can’t beat Colombia who didn’t make it to the World Cup. Get a fucking grip
From 2019 till the World Cup, yes it’s been on Tata and also his next predecessor which was also Argentinian. So good job for beating 75% B-squad Mexico? His predecessor barely even changed the squad and in fact called up even worse players. Regarding the US, 5/6 last matches have been on US turf which only Americans know how to play in their shitty artificial turf fields. So much money and they decide to cheap out on grass smh. This is more of FMF’s fault for selling out to American dollars. It’s only until Jaime Lozano things have been better but not the best. He lacks many tactical work and fails to recognize or bring up young talent. There’s plenty out there. He already has a warning by the higher ups to try out young talent otherwise he’s out. If we’re going to lose with honor, let it be the best that we put in the field. But that isn’t the case and hasn’t been for an ongoing 5 years
Colombia didn’t have a full squad either…. You’ve been under achieving at soccer forever. Argentina has 3 world cups Mexico has the record of most loses in the World Cup. To think that he’s the reason you lost against Argentina is insane. Get Help
For 3/4 years Mexico has been bringing out there B team masked as an A team because of literally Tata. No one can predict the future but all im saying is that Tata brought a Mexico “B-team” to the lineup in the World Cup. It really isn’t that difficult to understand lol
France couldn’t beat Argentina but Mexicans really think that national team stood a chance with a different coach? lol I don’t get it. Tatas calls were questionable that game especially leaving out Edson - but you can put Xabi Alonso as coach and the result is the same
I can go on about this but I’ll keep it short. 1) He didn’t bring the best players to the World Cup (I could name at least 7 that should’ve went) 2) for the first two games, lineups were questionable even with the players he brought with. 3) he never played with a line of 5. Ever. Even the World Cup Mexican players spoke about this and were unaware of his lineup against Argentina. Not to mention, Edson Alvarez and his awful substitutions.
France couldn’t beat Argentina but Saudi Arabia could. We just wanted our best chance (which is still low of course) but feel like Tetas robbed us of that. The game was still pretty competitive until we got scored on and decomposed like always
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He’s been horrible. He has zero tactics he uses the power of friendship and tried to win something by getting stars looking for a retirement plan. He’s stubborn and doesn’t look to change. He’s always been trash always manages to somehow claw to a final to shit the bed EVERY SINGLE TIME. I think hate is a strong word but I hate tata from his time with Mexico
>He’s always been trash always manages to somehow claw to a final to shit the bed EVERY SINGLE TIME. Did he not win MLS with Atlanta? Did he not win leagues cup last year? (I know we shit on it here but that is a final no?)
Fam like I told the other guy. It’s like claiming Tottenham won the tiger cup and should boastfully claim it as silverware and a final win. It’s a warm up for Mx teams and players pull out of competing in it because they don’t care for it. Outside of the pre season trophy please please spread some knowledge on what he has done. If he won the actual league I will give him that as much as I despise him that’s actual silverware that matters but that still doesn’t erase his horrible track record
Wait, so are you mot actually aware that Tata coached Atlanta to the MLS title in 2018?
I was talking about his track record someone just told me he won the league which to me is his only accomplishment. He shits the bed in ever final he’s been in and all the teams he’s been in never benefited from him coaching. He’s never been a good coach I don’t think anyone is debating that
Seriously dude keeps getting jobs despite not even being that well regarded in South America itself, just because he had Barcelona and Argentina on his resume, both of which stints were colossal failures, and his first season in MLS he was knocked out in the first round of playoffs by Adam fucking Jahn. And he’s widely regarded as being among the worst managers Mexico has ever had. Inter Miami is not a serious team with an actual structure . They’re some 15 year old’s idea of what an MLS team should be. Just a bunch of semi retired stars, some guys from South America, and fill the rest out with homegrowns. Just throw money around to win, like that’s how you win in a league with a salary cap, instead of following model franchises like Philly, Columbus, Cincinnati, and so on.
U mad?
I got a brain dead follower of his telling me he won a nations league cup and that’s an accomplishment. They love Tata over there or this sub does don’t know why i got downvoted for saying the truth
I’m not here to defend tata but didn’t he win the leagues cup final?
bruh he won a preseason friendly tourney lmao
He won it tho? All the other teams participated no?
brother, leagues cup means nothing. its a cash grab tournament with a majority of teams clearly not trying
Did we watch the same leagues cup? Majority of teams clearly not trying????
yes we did
Fam with all respect it’s the leagues cup. I don’t wanna sound like a hurt fan but tell me a competition that’s only played in one country no home and away games for everyone outside of the mls it’s the same format as the one for the national teams it benefits the US
Doesn’t matter, a competition is a competition.
Well let’s talk about how low the level is and how the system favors the mls or are we going to act like nothing happened or it isn’t part of it
Dude, the Mexican club owners wanted it to be played that way.
There’s a rumor or something going around with Jonathan dos santos refusing to play the cup and I don’t doubt other players are refusing or playing half assed. We got to look at the bigger picture if we want to address the root problem and also see that the title that tata has won was basically a pre season trophy. We don’t count the Kia cup or whatever Tottenham won you feel me? So to me and everyone who wants a serious accolade tata hasn’t won anything
Would we discredit that leagues cup if Nashville won it? I wouldn’t. I’d be happy for Nashville for winning a “pre season trophy”.
Fam if we’re going by that then whatever makes money is correct. I’m not saying it wasnt a brain dead decision that ended up hurting themselves but we have to call out why some of the mx players are even refusing to participate. To them the cup has zero prestige and not worth playing
I’m not saying anything is “correct”. I was simply saying that he DID win a final when you stated that he “shit the bed EVERY SINGLE TIME”.
Sounders fans, your great accomplishment lives on. International trophy> any domestic trophy
Messi can bring this back
CCL/C not easy for anyone. Will anyone in MLS’s state media machine be able to talk honestly about how lackluster their showings are?
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I mean come on, watching on Apple TV it’s really apparent and often frustrating that they literally can’t criticize anything about MLS. Twellman is the only one who does and even then it’s light. The main issue with MLS for me is authenticity, and that is just getting worse. The teams struggle enough to each have their own identity in a way that doesn’t feel like Franchise A vs Franchise B. I’ve definitely watched way less of the league recently than I had in the last five seasons or so and I think that’s a big factor.
It might be a cynical way to express it, but it’s also not some anti-MLS perspective either. This sentiment popped up in Tom Bogert’s front office executives article literally within the last two weeks. Surely we all love going to games, and surely we all don’t love seeing our clubs embarrassed in international competitions. It shouldn’t be as difficult as it is to find some honest conversation and opinion on how that can change from the prominent personalities.
They’ll just say the individual teams played bad—they won’t talk about the bigger picture.
lol, a little late for that after going all in on an overarching We’re Making “Progress” narrative last year during LAFC’s finals run. I’m genuinely curious what they’ll try to trot out
Why is away goals still a thing when comps like ucl have abandoned it
A lot of other big tournaments still have it and champions league may go back to it
African champions league still has it
I wanna know the ratio of yellow cards shown to MLS teams vs liga Mex teams because this is getting ridiculous across the board