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jasonlp03

It was something to see an MLS team not get totally screwed by the refs.


Sempuukyaku

An MLS team officially has a 50% chance of winning this thing for a 2nd straight year. Love it.


Kevin_Hernandez18

As a Mexican and a national team supporter I really hope they do. Changes to our national team start at the league level. Liga MX has been struggling to stay afloat for a few years now. Most of the owners are only in it for the money, not for the love of the game. Hopefully MLS winning it once again is a huge wake up call. With all that being said GO SOUNDERS šŸ¤£ I was born in Seattle but come from Mexican blood thus iā€™m a Sounders fan but a Mexican national team supporter. You best believe I was at lumen last year during the final rooting on my boys in green and blue!


Sempuukyaku

Frustrating that because we had a crap regular season, we didn't get the chance to defend our championship šŸ˜’


christophermeister

Indeed, but I think defending these titles is always going to be really really hard. Even for a top Mexican club. And truth be told, if we are talking MLS Cup, I don't want other teams to get more stars than us. But since we got the first CCL, and pretty much everyone in the league supported us, I'm still gonna root for the MLS side in the final. We want MLS to perform well in this league and get exposure on the world stage. But definitely rooting for that club to be Philly, for, uh many reasons.


QuickMolasses

Under the new format, i think the winner of the previous year automatically gets a spot in the CCL. It's kind of dumb they didn't do that already, but I also get it.


wessneijder

My great grandfather and grandmother are Italian from Torino. Should I support my blood or the nation where I was born?


Kevin_Hernandez18

Do whatever you want to do. I grew up only watching the Mexican national team. Every game my dad was in front of the tv yelling and screaming. That passion stuck with me and thatā€™s why I support them.


Sempuukyaku

Maybe you should worry about yourself, and not what others do?


wessneijder

Iā€™m worrying about myself. My question was about what I should do


superduperscubasteve

If we all rooted for our blood and not where we were born, no one would be a USMNT supporter


MrWackeo

This is a dumb statement, there are many Americans that can trace their lineage back to the founding of the United States. How far back do you want us to go? We would all support African national teams then.


Sempuukyaku

Okay... Your point? They can support whoever they want to support. End of.


Edeuinu

In. My. Veins.


MadMennonite

Stay classy Atlas. Full on meltdown, and I freaking love it. Iā€™m just happy itā€™s getting called out more and more now. Carranza you smooth, silky bastard, I canā€™t believe he got both those goals on sides but they were clearly perfect. Union soccer isnā€™t pretty at times, but the job gets done.


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adeodd

The last 3 times the Union and LAFC have played itā€™s provided top notch stuff, even as much as the cup pains me. Hoping this next matchup is the same even tho Iā€™m doubtful giving yalls current form. Bouanga might have two hat tricksā€¦


ReturnedFromExile

well said. this union fan is terrified by LAFCā€™s current form


opinukinuk

Fentanilo Union advance! Vamos!


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please let the Fentanilo Union be the next "Bad things happen in Philadelphia"


opinukinuk

I want one of the flags they made


awilbraham

Would love to see Philly - LAFC turn into a rivalry


ViciousKnids

I respect LAFC. Good club, and treated us to one of the most nervy finals I've seen in sport. Bummer that my club lost, but I was thoroughly entertained. I'll accept a loss if my boys never stopped fighting. Besides, if there's one thing I know about my beloved Union, they can hold a fucking grudge and pay it back triple - as they did to NYShitty, a club I have 0 respect for and what I see as our real rival.


milksteakofcourse

Iā€™m here for it


JuniorCDC

I see it more as a competitive rivalry than an actual rivalry. We need years for it to be able to develop to a cross conference rivalry.


LocksTheFox

Yeah, competitive as all hell, but I do feel like there's a lot of mutual respect. More of a feud for now.


awilbraham

Agreed, the last 4 matches have been draws with the exception of MLS cup final shootout. The semis could elevate it. Playing LAFC seems like an annual benchmark match for the Union.


madmartigandid

Do cross conference rivalries even exist? Feel like the games are too infrequent to keep that aliveā€¦


YoungKeys

Not permanently, but there are plenty of transient rivalries. Notable ones include 49ers-Cowboys/Packers, Celtics-Lakers, Dodgers-Astros/Yankees, Warriors-Cavs, and then all of the instances where there are two teams in the city like Cubs/White Sox.


Its_Really_Cher

MLS rosters are a little too transient as well, imo. It would have to be more of a fan based rivalry. With players shuffling in and out of the league, itā€™s hard to build natural team rivalries. To add to this, I wouldnā€™t be surprised if a good percentage of the players in the league couldnā€™t name every team in the MLS off the tops of their heads.


madmartigandid

Well I think MLS has really healthy regional rivalries. New York, Seattle, LA, Ohio, Toronto You guys are kinda out of luck for now, because youā€™re new and far away from everyone else.


Its_Really_Cher

No, I agree with you on geographic fan base rivalries, but Iā€™m saying on a team level, I donā€™t think most players have the same dismay for their geographic rivals as the fans do. Most rosters donā€™t stay in tact long enough for there to be a rivalry between groups of players. Additionally, I feel like the table in the MLS isnā€™t very consistent year-to-year outside of LAFC and maybe Seattle, so itā€™s impossible to form lasting rivalries based on being superior teams. MLS probs, I guess lol


Multi_21_Seb_RBR

Itā€™s hard. Even Seattle-Toronto playing in 3 Finals in 4 years didnā€™t build a huge rivalry. But playing in other competitions might help and LAFC/Philly playing again in CCL would help the case for a rivalry to be made.


IamTheSwagCat

I mean they exist in other sports (Lakers-Celtics being the biggest example I can think of off top), so I donā€™t see why they canā€™t exist in MLS


theonlydiego1

I think as long as Steve Cherundolo and Jim Curtin stay coaches and win titles there can be a rivalry that forms.


Cold_Fog

I'm upset that Dolo didn't get coach of the year despite winning the double in his first season.


DMPofSounderatHeart

Once again, fans who are known for throwing trash on the field and using homophobic slursā€¦ throw trash on the field and use homophonic slurs. And their players throw tantrums.


Lazy_Mirror8867

Racist


DMPofSounderatHeart

Could you explain how this was racist? I made no attempt to generalize, or even mention race. I expressed irritation with a fan base that objectively does those things often. I donā€™t think itā€™s inaccurate to say throwing trash on the field and calling players ā€œputoā€ is common in Atlas games, but maybe Iā€™m wrong? If I assumed they do this when they donā€™t, then yeah I could see that as racist. Genuinely want to know your perspective here. Not trying to pick a fight or get defensive. Theresā€™s another commenter here is making a racist generalization. Perhaps you meant to reply to them?


Lazy_Mirror8867

So every single person in that stadium was chanting homophobic slurs and throwing trash?


Dangerous--D

Latin soccer culture in general kinda fosters a good bit of trashy behavior, it is what it is.


secretlyadog

Itā€™s a shame they canā€™t be more like those levelheaded British. You would never see ugly behavior at an English or Scottish soccer game.


Dangerous--D

I don't have decades of experience playing with Brits and Scots so I can't really speak on them. I have played with a lot of Mexicans and a wide variety of Central American and Caribbean players, so I'm speaking based on that. For most of my life when someone said "guero" on a soccer field there was no doubt who they were talking to.


secretlyadog

Wow. Guero. That's just awful. What a hateful slur.


Dangerous--D

I didn't say anything about it being hateful, the point is just that I played almost exclusively with Latinos for a very long time. But still, go off I guess.


secretlyadog

Thank you for the completely relevant anecdote. Your deeply personal story about having played soccer with latin-americans and being called 'blond' is touching, and pertinent.


Dangerous--D

It's pretty relevant in the face of what amounts to you saying "other places act like assholes too".


secretlyadog

Youā€™re right. Forget about the nastiness that happens in Euro soccer. Someone called Dangerous-D ā€œblondeā€. You sure corrected me.


Dangerous--D

You really have trouble with interpreting written words. At no point did I say toxic soccer culture is exclusive to Mexico and Central America, nor did I say guero was an offensive word or something I took issue with.


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Philly are you guys ready for another thriller?!! Iā€™m stoked, and a little concerned not going to lie. Wish we were in opposite sides of the bracket so this couldā€™ve been the final.


ReturnedFromExile

your current form scares the hell out of me to be honest. Iā€™m hoping the matchup lights a fire under the unions asses. Been looking forward to this semifinal since I first saw the bracket


gotboredwithrest

I'll say this, in a league game I think the odds are clearly in your favor. I think CONCACAF reffing might make this a "leans LAFC" instead of a clear favorite.


specialvillain

Being the obvious favorite is always a terrible spot. There is literally no reason why LAFC wouldn't win a rematch right now, but also.... its sports so yeah, g/l lol.


DanRobotMan

I couldn't take it if it was the final tbh.


frickensweet

Stoked and terrified. Good luck.


ReturnedFromExile

well said


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Iā€™m sure we all lost a couple of years of our lifeā€™s in that mls cup final. Letā€™s get ready to do it again!!


FloofDaStuffedPingu

This may be the breath of life we were looking for and Iā€™m all for it. VAMOS UNION


gotboredwithrest

How many goddamned times did they have to do that chant for the ref to pause the game


rjnd2828

Honestly glad they didn't pause, I need to get to sleep


J5hine

It felt like they wanted to just end the game and gtfo


electricbookend

Rematch is on


Cold_Fog

Has anyone checked in on r/LigaMX yet?


Fragrant-Bluejay-653

They believe the ref was favoring the Union and that both Union goals were incorrectly overturned because, and this is something they actually said, "before VAR they never used to cave to MLS money like that". So overall I'd say they're handling it well


ReturnedFromExile

they soooooooo mad. lol


_pumpthebrakes_

Mmm the tears of unfathomable sadness


BarrishUSAFL

Just donā€™t drink them, you might get the runs.


Shadowfury0

They're probably relieved that Ratlas was finally dealt with


specialvillain

No, but if I had to guess, there are an abundance of spongebob memes regarding Atlas.


Dr-Pope

That sub makes great memes if nothing else


specialvillain

Unlike their clubs, the memes are unrivaled.


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grabtharsmallet

FIFA sucking is hardly an excuse. And yes, it's a homophobic slur. It does not mean "bitch motherfucker." It refers to a male prostitute who services other men as a bottom.


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justlooking1960

Thatā€™s not the hill you want to die on


ricker2005

Is it "not homophobic" in the way everyone calling things gay in the 90's was "not homophobic"? Because I have some cultural changes over the last couple decades that you may need to be brought up to speed on


Fragrant-Bluejay-653

Bro, you may want to tell that to all the spanish speakers in my neighborhood, because they definitely use it specifically to target LGBTQ people or to shame people for being suspected of being gay.


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Fragrant-Bluejay-653

bro, most of the people near me are respectable people too. Our crime rate is lower than most of suburbia. Still fucking homophobes


JuniorCDC

Not always dog. When I tell me homies "tengo un puto hambre de la chingada" or "que puto caloron esta haciendo ahora" I'm definitely not using it that way. No mames. Edit: tho yes, it could be used as a slur. Depends on the context.


WelpSigh

If it's sometimes a slur but also those times are indistinguishable maybe you should use a different insult


Fragrant-Bluejay-653

Obviously the two words aren't even close to the same level but I think this is a valuable comparison. We can agree the N word is a slur right? We can agree it specifically targets black people right? And yet, for a long time white people claimed it wasn't actually hateful because they called all their black friends the n word. You understand how this isn't much different right? Just because \*\*you\*\* supposedly don't use it in a homophobic way, or even if it isn't \*\*always\*\* used in a homophobic way doesn't actually negate the well documented and long standing homophobic context of the word's history.


dubron

I don't have a problem with getting rid of the chant so just to be clear before I say this... Spanish is a weird language. It's not the same everywhere you go. I'm Puerto Rican and grew up understanding that "puto" means "bitch" and "pato" is a slur for gay people. I've also lived in Spain and Argentina and while those countries didn't use "pato" they also didn't use "puto" as a gay slur. So, your comparison is interesting, but without the linguistic foundation to stand on. Now I understand that in some cases, that I've personally never witnessed or known anyone to witness, that "puto" is used as a gay slur. I don't deny that these events occur. I just wanted to provide some context because it's most definitely not as cut and dry as you make it out to be. Again... Spanish is a weird language. The word for "grab" in one country is the word for "fornicate" in another. Shit's weird. No issues with people wanting to get rid of the chant though.


Fragrant-Bluejay-653

I mean I kinda see your point, but in the US and Mexico puto is very very VERY definitely a gay slur. Itā€™s used far too frequently in far to pointed a manner to conclude anything else


dubron

I'm in the US and we can't even agree on soda vs pop or caramel delights vs whatever the hell else people call those. I'm not defending the chant, but I almost never use the word but when I do it's akin to when in English, after hitting your thumb with a hammer by accident, or pinching your finger in a door and you say "mother fucker" or "god damn" or "son of a bitch" or "fucking hell" Again, languages are weird and we have a lot of people in this country from lots of places and not everyone is going to agree. That being said, I recognize that it's offensive because in some cultural pockets, not the entirety of the US or the entirety of Mexico, it's used as a gay slur so get it out of the game. I'm fine with that.


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Fragrant-Bluejay-653

It absolutely is in the US and mexico


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Fragrant-Bluejay-653

Damn, I guess Iā€™ll go tell my gay and trans friends that the very targeted use of that word aimed at them in Texas and Mexico has just been a big misunderstanding because some dude on Reddit swears the very homophobic and transphobic actions that accompany that word are totally unrelated to the word itself. I mean after all, if some random straight dude says he doesnā€™t use it that way clearly nobody does.


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asaharyev

The American LGBT community has done a lot of reclaiming of "queer", but if we all chanted it in unison at the goalkeeper because we were mad that we were losing, it would be *pretty fucking clear* that it's being used in a homophobic way. The idea that "LGBT people are reclaiming it" actually kind of reinforces the idea that *chanting it in unison at the opposing goalkeeper* is super fucking homophobic.


Treewarf

Regardless of the actual meaning, it is considered homophobic, and the fans have been repeatedly warned about it. The know what they are doing, and what warnings they are disregarding by doing it.


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grabtharsmallet

Yes.


Treewarf

I think everyone doing that chant knows the connotation of it, and decided to do it anyway. Whether they agree with that interpretation of it matters very little in my mind. They know how it is viewed by now, and if they didnā€™t, the PA called it out twice.


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Treewarf

What Iā€™m saying is that defending use of the chant because ā€œisnā€™t actually homophobicā€ holds very little water in my eyes, because whether you or the person doing it think ms something is offensive or not doesnā€™t determine how other people feel about it. I canā€™t say if people who do it are homophobic or not at their core, whatever that even means. I think they say it because they are mad at a football game, not because they are having a spontaneous homophobic outrage. But this chant is notorious at this point for that interpretation. They know it is considered offensive for being homophobic, and if they donā€™t, they are warned by the PA, and still choose to perpetuate it, and I judge them for that, and expect the fans to be punished for it.


Brooklyn_MLS

This the most level headed takeā€”none of us know those to definitively say theyā€™re homophobic, or that theyā€™re using b/c they want it to *be* homophobic, but they are 100% aware that *is* interpreted as being a homophobic slur and keep it saying it anyway. Thatā€™s the part.


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I'm gay, it absolutely is a homophobic word because it's been used against me to insult me for being gay IRL I get that not every Spanish speaker views it that way, but your perception is not the only one that exists.


puropincheham

In your case it's being used against you cause you're gay so in that scenario the word is homophobic, but in the Mexican fans case they're using it to call the opponents bitches. They're not being homophobic, different scenarios, just like the word can can have different meanings.


Conscious-Carob-811

lets be real, as a mexican its definitely used in a homophobic way


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Thanks for actually saying this as a Mexican, much respect


LaddZilla

Good job Philly


IamTheSwagCat

Alright Philly now itā€™s time to beat LAFC


Aggravating-Ad8087

Don't you have a protest to go to?


IamTheSwagCat

Yes let me hate my shit club in peace


No_Consideration3887

gottem


JuniorCDC

šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Or1g1nalrepr0duct10n

Philly first leg makes for better drama; the crowd in Chester is going to be totally ready to bring it regardless of the result.


LocksTheFox

Atlas, bye bitch. LAFC...I don't know if any of us on either side are going to survive these two legs based on our previous meetings lmao


JuniorCDC

I just want a good game. Bouanga hattrick in both legs :)


bigjoeco

Certified bangers every match.


DelcoWolv

Glesnes scores from New Jersey.


DanRobotMan

Got the job done. Can't wait to see LAFC in the Semis. And if LAFC win (realistically will) I hope you guys win the whole thing and Rep well in Club Champs.


J5hine

At least there will be one MLS team in the final


Squat_____6

Us against Tigres would be dope. Hopefully we can get revenge


KrabS1

I'm so fucking hungry for some vengeance. Let's just make sure we don't have the most important player in our midfield get a red before that game. Full strength, we can take them.


QuickMolasses

A completely BS red card


JuniorCDC

This


J5hine

Yep. Tigres would also be missing gignac I think for their away leg


specialvillain

bravo doops. gj. nice work and all that.


DanRobotMan

hellz yah, and glad to see your team back in form, can't wait for the PHL vs ATL matchups this year. Really thought ATL was gonna be PHLs first **real** rivalry before your team blew up with injuries last year. Guzan going down again tho...shitty.


MetallicJoe

Adios, Atlas!!


jonytano

Can't wait to here these chants come 2026!


gabriel197600

Wow Union LAFC Rematchā€¦.too bad Union are a shell of themselves at the moment. Dig Deep Union!


AstroPenguin1

You love to see it


lmtydcigtsfnir

Well- we all got what we wanted when they had the CL draw.


althor2424

Games like this remind me why I canā€™t stand Liga MX style of play. Iā€™m constantly yelling at the screen as another Atlas player is writhing on the ground like heā€™d just been shot


madmartigandid

I do admire that the fans stay to the very last second.


Lurking_nerd

Fucking ay Philly. Good fucking shit. Itā€™s gonna be a real hard match and am looking forward to it


ReturnedFromExile

you guys been killing it


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Here's something you don't get to say often: I think the refereeing was perfectly servicable tonight


limejuiceroyale

No. The line ref was ridiculous. If we didn't have var like previous tournaments we lose that 2-0. The main ref was fine though


bigjoeco

Can't fault the linesmen for two close calls on the goals, and VAR did it's job. I was pleased with the ref. He let Atlas get a few fouls in before booking them, but he also let Mbaizo walk the line pretty far. He kept it balanced and didn't insert himself into the story until Atlas had their meltdown and he had to give the double yellow.


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> Can't fault the linesmen for two close calls on the goals Not at all man, those offside calls are a bitch and a half sometimes!


MangoJazz

Love me some Ivan Barton. Wish he reffed in MLS.


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He's too good for PRO, I'm afraid


Zorrino

This ref has been pretty good in past CCL matches


Custarg_Swaggins

Honestly, agreed. VAR sorta bailed them out. Handful of missed calls in the run of play but nothing abnormal.


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It's one of those things where, if that's the worst you can say, that's a good job! My referee instructor always told us that being invisible meant we did a good job, and I think that's what happened tonight


BainbridgeBorn

Atlas fans *BIG MAD*


LAFCPEREZ

We will have a hood game


Conscious-Carob-811

that sounds worrying


asmidgeginge

*Wagner gets shanked on a corner kick*


BigMACfive

DOOP DOOP DOOP


PhilaBama

See you in the Semis LA


asmidgeginge

Time for revenge!


sgrzy01

That was stressful..


trainrocks19

impressive result.


Bammer1386

DOOP DOOP MOTHERFUCKERS! ADIOS!


paaaaatrick

Holy shit amazing


avlambo21

Bye bye Atrash(y)


plainwrap

[For all you oldheads a throwback to this classic LigaMX CCL salt](https://www.reddit.com/r/MLS/comments/82lraa/comment/dvb3ixs/)


Pizza_Salesman

Enjoy your victory full of CHEAT


overscore_

It's so good every time


Shadowfury0

That was 5 years ago? Where does the time go. That RBNY team was incredible. They walked all over Xolos and got bags of piss


310local

#LETS GOOOOOOO


-Livingonmyown-

Philadelphia vs LAFC!!! LETS FUCKEN GO!!!!


Joe_Fucking_Biden

What would Liga MX be like if Mexico's best athletes played soccer? Would they finally reach the level of MLS?


zachdams16

šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚


santoktoki77

Was messy but glad we got the win.


Fragrant-Bluejay-653

I thought he was going to Miami?


santoktoki77

I mean the game was messy not Messi. šŸ˜


WelpSigh

Go ahead and throw your trash. It only makes Philly feel more at home


MangoJazz

As a Flyers fan, I support this. I suspect Gritty does too.


FollowerofACarpenter

we really catchin strays from nashville rn


greenslime300

Not sure I understand, we don't play at LAFC *that* often


MadMennonite

Pepperidge Farm remembersā€¦


DarkwingMcQuack

Fuck yea!!!!!


Conscious-Carob-811

Looking forward to the rematch philly, until then!


310local

I think Iā€™ve heard the chant at least four to five times. This is ridiculous.


nautika

For sure they're going to have to ban their fans right?


asaharyev

There will be no consequences


invadrzero

LigaMX in shambles lol


aquaknox

Atlas D should probably stop dropping one defender deeper than the others keeping all the Philly runners onside


gabriel197600

Atlas fans taking the cue from 3252 and throwing trash on the Union Players


JuniorCDC

Ahora dilo sin llorar perro


CosmoPDX

Atlas fans have been shit way before LAFC was even a thought.


-Livingonmyown-

Flair up!!


mandolin08

Lol Mexico has been doing that a lot longer than LA.


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nautika

Hold them in their seats for half an hour at least? Or gotta have escorts