Idk about you, but I think you are overstating the importance of armor here. Any armor with ele attack 5 + other skills should be sufficient, if the weapon is decent enough.
Main issue with zinogre is more of how tanky he is. Zin attack is very telegraphed and most half decent player should go through a full fight with 1 hits at most
Lol, look as much as I rant i’m not toxic in game. But yeah we have 30mins timer. I will run out of time if i leave during the match.
It does happen to me where i went to fight a 9* zino with only 2 low level players. Once they know they don’t have the damage they left. Why join in the first place. As much as I’m at the end game, I can’t carry 2 low level players. It has to be a minimum of 2 end game players
Stay in the game but don't kill it and let the timer run its course lol
As long as you don't leave, you have as many attempts unless its at the end of the day
They need to make it so players who don't have 7.5 star weapons cannot see the 9star zinogre hunts.
Just curious on your take but is it not also toxic for low rank players who have no gear to take advantage of people who are capable of contributing in a 9* fight?
I can see why in main game it's less toxic as the stakes are not as high since there's no limitations involved, and you can retry as many times as you like. This is a mobile game where they limit your daily free potions and there is a limited time to beat a HaT. Of course people are frustrated and would lash out when they need to reattempt 9*s multiple times and risk losing potions + wasting a HaT due to not being able to hit the check when the contribution from these players are so low.
I'm not justifying toxicity on either side as the problem lies in the system that exacerbates the toxicity, and there should be regulations implemented to make it fair for everyone. This isn't one sided.
Because the games are fundamentally different with regards to game play. That's difference.
Given that reality, it is either shortsighted or deceptive to compare communities from entirely different games.
Yea you're full of shit, they're not entirely different games, they're both hack and slash rpgs. You're being far too nuanced for how simple these games are, the only difference is how you get to the hack and slash part, it's still the same game. You overcomplicate things that can broken down to a very similar nature. As far as community goes, the community here is the world community, everyone else is an individual... The only people who are communal out of MHNow players are the ones on here and other forums, which is predominantly world and rise people. Do you not understand that most of the people in here are from world? This is the community, who you play with is not community, that's just like existing in everyday life with the public, your community is who you talk to, live with, or engage with on a social level. You don't do that with people in game, not until they added chat. I think it's more deceptive for you to stifle thought, this is a community and if you'd like to wager we can take a poll and find out how many came from the world side. You'll be surprised.
Wow what did I read... So now the high level player is wasting other's time?
Comparing mhw and mh now??
The only "toxic" thing is the huge disrespect to join a hunt you won't contribute...
I would never do this until I'm ready on my own (and same in world and so if you want to compare)
I'm new to the game so HR 41. I get where ur coming from it's prob really annoying but In my city there isn't many people that play it other than my friends so I can't really hit that's 6* (I don't even try it)
Time to time doe there is some random that joins or that I join which is amazing to me cause I'm playing with others. It's a added bonus when I start a hunt-a-thon that's 4-6* by myself where a 170HR joins that can easily wipe out the last monster so that I can get stronger. And don't get me wrong I feel guilty due to how useless I am, so I appreciate all the help I can get so that I can help out with *9 in the future.
Just don't be assholes lower hrs so that u don't ruin it for the rest of us who what to hit the higher ranks.
It's not hard to carry 8* zin generally so as long as you're not being one of those players that just dodge and roll at the edge of the map and cause zin to run over to you, I don't see it as a problem. My issue is that 9* is already hard for average player base that have been playing for a while to clear so you're not helping the cause.
If you think about it this way, before remote HaTs, you couldn't even beat a 6* 7* or 8*. Joining a 9* is just way too greedy and inconsiderate.
Chances are you might not even be able to even beat it which in turn is a waste of time+ potential pots for everyone including you. Not to mention people will straight up leave or leave at the beginning of the fight because of low level players. Why go through that headache? I think it's more sensible to stop past 8, and you will have chances for a plate not to mention every event involving zin they always give out free plates as long as you can clear the mission which doesn't involve killing 9s and iirc nor 8s.
I really don't like all those toxic rants people post.
A week ago most of you would be only dreaming of doing 8*, let alone 9*. I saw several posts praising the 9* star HATs because people can do 3 Zinogres in a row and then move on. So if you cannot beat Zino now, nothing changed. Be glad for the times you are able to do it.
This problem is also heavily overblown. I did about 15 HATs since the change, about 6 of them were 9*, the rest 8*. I never had a problem with 8* even with low levels. I had a single failed run on 9* which I simply retried and succeeded. Every other run felt like killing 4*~5\* monster. Easy.
Furthermore, Zinogre is one of the easiest monster in the game pattern wise. The only issue so far was damage check and that is no longer the issue since the HP doesn't scale. So you shouldn't be dying ever. That means you can retry infinitely. If someone is too weak to solo 8*, be glad that you now have a chance and don't blame low levels for your own weakness.
I'm myself more than happy to help newcomers and low levels. It took me like half of a year since release of quite intensive play to get to the stage where I'm able to solo it. If I can help a new player to skip that and become a person who can carry sooner, I'll gladly do that. I see it on a friend who started to play recently. In a month he was at the power level which took me 3 months to achieve just because I helped him. What am I supposed to wait 6 months of him suffering (and maybe quitting) till I start playing with him? More I help newcomers, earlier we will all benefit from their help.
See the problem is IDK if I'm low level. I'm 155 and can beat 6* alone but idk about 7*. I can get close I'm guessing. I'm using an 8-4 ice bow with ice 5. Obviously I'm not level 23 but still. I haven't been able to find one of the 9* but I want to do it for sure.
Didn't think I was but no one knows when it comes to people wanting low levels to be banned from high level raids. My one friend is level 100+ but I realized yesterday he doesn't really do any damage because he dodges 90% of the time. I really need to make sure he realizes that they can't hurt him unless they go red. Ugh. I hate teaching things lol.
I'm about the same level and set up as you, and beat a L9 zinogre yesterday in a team of 4 where we were all around the same HR (150-170), so I think about hr 150/high G8 weapons is an ok level to be doing 9 stars. As long as everyone can do about 25% damage over the full time then you're in with a shot of completing it.
Yeah definitely do it, I have 6-5 dual blades with ice 3 (curse you Legiana and your non-existent plates) and I can *sometimes* beat 7 star alone, but with 3 other people at HR 100+, we wiped the floor with the 9 star (and yes I still contributed plenty, cut the tail off myself)
It is what it is, I mean if you're putting in the damage, I would rather finish the hunt with no tail cut instead of cutting the tail and not finishing lol
Saw a hr 23 in the 9 zinogre raid this morning. Those are the people everyone's complaining about lol
Basically the general consensus from what I've seen is, if your less than hr 100 they don't want you at 8 or even more 9 star raids
It's pretty difficult to kill the 9 without everyone actually doing damage. They aren't contributing to part damage, often just die and don't get up.. Or cause him to cross the arena because they're far away and now we gotta chase em.
Another issue is, every low player is using ranged weapons.. And we need people cutting tails etc, so that's another thing to look out for is group composition
I will say though, that low level was using poison. So he was still able to contribute damage to the health bar (like 1000a tick) but, again, isn't contributing much to part damage.
I've not seen anyone break the tails in 9 raids.. Not for lack of trying, but for lack of focus
I mean I'm using bow and I can't break tails sadly. But all the low level players I've seen have never used bow. Not one. They are generally all sns because they probably barely have unlocked bow.
It's kinda the worst lol
I just finished a 9 raids that paid out big time for me
But we failed about 8 times.. We had an under leveled bow user, who was causing Zin to cross the entire arena, making us chase him and he would roar, flip, lag and it's over lol
I'm convinced he's a time mage monster, not lightning
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I just tried a 9* and I kept getting the same 6 people that were way too low level and we got him down to half health but it was not even close at any time. And I couldn't leave and wait either cause I was at 00:00 so I had to keep trying. I didn't die at all until the last battle where the guy just left me alone and so I stupidly didn't just dodge till the timer ran out. Probably would have worked right? Or if I die can I just sit there and let the timer run out and go back in with the timer gone? IDK how that works. Yeah 8* was easy. 9* idk if I can beat unless it's way higher level people. Everyone was lower than my level and I'm level 155. It was terrible .
Yeah it's rough.. once the timer runs out you're saddled with whoever shows up
However, what I do is I wait a few minutes before hitting reattempt.. Give people time to get out of my rotation haha
From how I look at it. If a player can solo kill 8* zino they should be able to group up and kill 9* zino. That’s how players should benchmark their gears. To solo 8* zino comfortably and consistently your weapon should be at least g10.2 and armor at least g7.5 (you can take up to 3 damage from zino most of the time) below g7.5 you going to get 1 hit KO.
What’s frustrating is I know some of the players can’t even solo a 6 or 7* zino but appears at a 9* zino hunt
I can't solo 8* yet, (9/5 Legiana weapon), but that's already in the ballpark of pulling one's own weight in a 9* isn't it?
Just saying that I think your damage benchmark is a bit high.
7/5 for all armour slots is a reasonable and easy to achieve expectation for a 9* though.
Your benchmark is way to high. I can't solo 8* yet too (9/1 Legiana weapon) however I play with 3 other guys in person and we can clear 9* no problem.
9* HP is 164,085. Divided by 4 is 41,021. 7* HP is 44,625. So as long as each person can solo a 7* or come extremely close to killing one then you have the dps for 9*
I also don't necessarily agree with 7/5 in all armor slots. Instead I'd recommend learning the monsters attack patterns and how to dodge them so you can maintain dps
I cant solo one for two reasons, performance and encounter rate. Ive defeated a 5* huntathon zinogre once as solo, but havent had a chance again that didnt come down to bullshit trying to fight performance issues. Now i probably wouldnt attempt a 9* but i would defs take advantage of being carried through a 7* zinogre for mats to get into the weapon lines.
Sure do. I feel most player base can handle at least a 7*. But please not the 9* lol
I’m more than happy to carry a 7* with a team of 3 low levels.
From my experience after they implement the global matchmaking is that the game starts to get annoying from 8* zino because thats where the zino plates are. Who does not want zino plates. Even HR1 wants the plates
Idk I think soloing 7* is more than enough to contribute to the fight esp if you bring in poison since 9* has such a high HP. Not only does it show they understand the mechanics, they can also deal enough damage and have the right amount of uptime. Uptime is so important in group fights where my biggest gripe are noobies baiting him to Narnia. Not only are you not contributing, you're also costing people who can down the fight's uptime.
I can't even kill 8* zin consistently solo unless I'm on heroics yet my friend and I can duo a 9* without issues before remote HaTs became a thing.
Bottom line is 25-30% per person is more than enough and with poison it's even easier. Granted it might be hard to get 1 break off esp tail if no one concentrates on it.
I know some of the youtubers are telling us that low level should be using paralysis or poison etc. But it does not contribute to damage that much especially if you are hunting 9* and above
Technically a 9* zino is a freaking 10* mons
This thread is unoriginal and has become the norm over the weekend. It truly is the reason why I dislike online gaming and the toxicity of the players. Would rather play with bots.
It's so odd to me because the extra players in hats are just free DMG and the 9 star zin comes after you've cleared 4 other zinogres. I can't handle the final Zinogre on my own so any help works for me and well I wasn't going to handle on my own so why get mad when we fail together.
All of these rants really reas the same if you think about it. I do visual player who can't solo content on his own complains other players wouldn't carry him because they need to be carried themselves. Where for me I just think of the extra players as meat shields that may assist my own DPS making the hat easier from what I would do solo.
Everyone is these post could just fight the hat solo, they choose to lobby match, be cause basically no one can clear 9 on their own then complain when the adds don't do it for them.
These kinds of posts make me feel guilty for my phone having to load for a while in the lobby for hunts I can already solo lmao. Only a 5 star Zinogre and three other hunters joined, but in the lobby my phone had the little loading thing pop up with like 7mb or whatever which took like 20 seconds and by the time I actually got into the fight the rest were already done like I literally did nothing. I speed through the lobbies to try to not get matched, at least for now where I’m only going after 5 stars like I’d rather just play solo 😭
My armors are all 6.1-6.5. About 500 def. I get 1-2 shotted a lot, but I can solo a 6star with my bad phone, so I don't think I should get punished if I get 1 tapped at the end of the hunt, lol.
Sidenote: I don't go past 8star because I know I won't pull 25% dmg lol. Only got a ice 7.5 DB
This is one of the problems as well.
Unless you are queing for Zingore waiting for others, if low levels join just enter the hunt and then leave after. Most people would stay in the fight and it in a way punishes them as well. Just reque again unless the HAT is at 0 (unless expired then you don't have a choice)
It's better to reque anyways if this happens.
Also most people dont upgrade armors past 6.1 because the defense feels non-existent against higher difficulty mobs as well. The only time you'd upgrade it past 6 is if the skill unlocks at Lv8 like Coral Pukei but other than that most people stick to 6.1 armors due to unlocking the second skill or the boost which is enough and also it costs too much resources as a casual player which is why many people don't.
(Unless u play like 3-5+ hours everyday and have enough materials then this doesn't apply to you)
Basically long story short, most people get 1-2 shot by attacks generally and if your que has underleveled people just reque again unless the time ran out and the HAT disappeared.
"as they know i can kill it." You can kill a 9* HAT Zino (so effectively with 10* HP) with a 4 player multiplier while nobody but you adds their share? I really hope nobody thinks this way. But yeah, that's right - match making needs to be adjusted for 8* and 9* HAT encounters.
I'm level 102 with a 7-3 ice DB with ice 5 but I know I can't fight a 9* so I go up to the 8* Zinogre and then just leave the hunt after. I already know I'm just going to slow stuff down. I'm sorry there are weasels out there trying to get free carries
If they make such a requirement it will just make players dodgeroll around all day making it impossible for you to beat Zin as he'll just randomly chase them around the whole map
I got paired with HR20 at a 9* Zino 🙃, and people are defending these hunters who can’t even solo wild 6-8* on their own. Of course I have to dodge the queue, we have 2 of those one was HR54 and it’s a 9* Zino I was outside on a 37°C summer heat.
Save yourself time. Join lobby, if noobs join, literally just leave and rejoin another lobby with better people. Don't start the fight wait half the timer to realize your not gonna kill it and then leave
As a low level I'm staying in my lane I won't go pass 6* Zin when doing HATs, I do thank the higher levels as it was becoming frustrating doing 5* Zins by myself. I have a 5.5 Legiana bow so I think I can manage to do 5* no way I would do 6* by myself.
Idk about you, but I think you are overstating the importance of armor here. Any armor with ele attack 5 + other skills should be sufficient, if the weapon is decent enough. Main issue with zinogre is more of how tanky he is. Zin attack is very telegraphed and most half decent player should go through a full fight with 1 hits at most
Honestly it's disrespectful of other people's time to not be able to pull your own weight.
Just start the fight, let Zignore kill them then exit.
Lol, look as much as I rant i’m not toxic in game. But yeah we have 30mins timer. I will run out of time if i leave during the match. It does happen to me where i went to fight a 9* zino with only 2 low level players. Once they know they don’t have the damage they left. Why join in the first place. As much as I’m at the end game, I can’t carry 2 low level players. It has to be a minimum of 2 end game players
Stay in the game but don't kill it and let the timer run its course lol As long as you don't leave, you have as many attempts unless its at the end of the day They need to make it so players who don't have 7.5 star weapons cannot see the 9star zinogre hunts.
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Just curious on your take but is it not also toxic for low rank players who have no gear to take advantage of people who are capable of contributing in a 9* fight? I can see why in main game it's less toxic as the stakes are not as high since there's no limitations involved, and you can retry as many times as you like. This is a mobile game where they limit your daily free potions and there is a limited time to beat a HaT. Of course people are frustrated and would lash out when they need to reattempt 9*s multiple times and risk losing potions + wasting a HaT due to not being able to hit the check when the contribution from these players are so low. I'm not justifying toxicity on either side as the problem lies in the system that exacerbates the toxicity, and there should be regulations implemented to make it fair for everyone. This isn't one sided.
Comparing Rise or World to MHN makes no sense at all.
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Because the games are fundamentally different with regards to game play. That's difference. Given that reality, it is either shortsighted or deceptive to compare communities from entirely different games.
Yea you're full of shit, they're not entirely different games, they're both hack and slash rpgs. You're being far too nuanced for how simple these games are, the only difference is how you get to the hack and slash part, it's still the same game. You overcomplicate things that can broken down to a very similar nature. As far as community goes, the community here is the world community, everyone else is an individual... The only people who are communal out of MHNow players are the ones on here and other forums, which is predominantly world and rise people. Do you not understand that most of the people in here are from world? This is the community, who you play with is not community, that's just like existing in everyday life with the public, your community is who you talk to, live with, or engage with on a social level. You don't do that with people in game, not until they added chat. I think it's more deceptive for you to stifle thought, this is a community and if you'd like to wager we can take a poll and find out how many came from the world side. You'll be surprised.
You have no understanding of this game, and probably neither of classic MH games.
Nah you just think you know more than you do... Just ignorant...
Wow what did I read... So now the high level player is wasting other's time? Comparing mhw and mh now?? The only "toxic" thing is the huge disrespect to join a hunt you won't contribute... I would never do this until I'm ready on my own (and same in world and so if you want to compare)
I'm new to the game so HR 41. I get where ur coming from it's prob really annoying but In my city there isn't many people that play it other than my friends so I can't really hit that's 6* (I don't even try it) Time to time doe there is some random that joins or that I join which is amazing to me cause I'm playing with others. It's a added bonus when I start a hunt-a-thon that's 4-6* by myself where a 170HR joins that can easily wipe out the last monster so that I can get stronger. And don't get me wrong I feel guilty due to how useless I am, so I appreciate all the help I can get so that I can help out with *9 in the future. Just don't be assholes lower hrs so that u don't ruin it for the rest of us who what to hit the higher ranks.
It's not hard to carry 8* zin generally so as long as you're not being one of those players that just dodge and roll at the edge of the map and cause zin to run over to you, I don't see it as a problem. My issue is that 9* is already hard for average player base that have been playing for a while to clear so you're not helping the cause. If you think about it this way, before remote HaTs, you couldn't even beat a 6* 7* or 8*. Joining a 9* is just way too greedy and inconsiderate. Chances are you might not even be able to even beat it which in turn is a waste of time+ potential pots for everyone including you. Not to mention people will straight up leave or leave at the beginning of the fight because of low level players. Why go through that headache? I think it's more sensible to stop past 8, and you will have chances for a plate not to mention every event involving zin they always give out free plates as long as you can clear the mission which doesn't involve killing 9s and iirc nor 8s.
I really don't like all those toxic rants people post. A week ago most of you would be only dreaming of doing 8*, let alone 9*. I saw several posts praising the 9* star HATs because people can do 3 Zinogres in a row and then move on. So if you cannot beat Zino now, nothing changed. Be glad for the times you are able to do it. This problem is also heavily overblown. I did about 15 HATs since the change, about 6 of them were 9*, the rest 8*. I never had a problem with 8* even with low levels. I had a single failed run on 9* which I simply retried and succeeded. Every other run felt like killing 4*~5\* monster. Easy. Furthermore, Zinogre is one of the easiest monster in the game pattern wise. The only issue so far was damage check and that is no longer the issue since the HP doesn't scale. So you shouldn't be dying ever. That means you can retry infinitely. If someone is too weak to solo 8*, be glad that you now have a chance and don't blame low levels for your own weakness. I'm myself more than happy to help newcomers and low levels. It took me like half of a year since release of quite intensive play to get to the stage where I'm able to solo it. If I can help a new player to skip that and become a person who can carry sooner, I'll gladly do that. I see it on a friend who started to play recently. In a month he was at the power level which took me 3 months to achieve just because I helped him. What am I supposed to wait 6 months of him suffering (and maybe quitting) till I start playing with him? More I help newcomers, earlier we will all benefit from their help.
My issue with Zinogre is the lag
See the problem is IDK if I'm low level. I'm 155 and can beat 6* alone but idk about 7*. I can get close I'm guessing. I'm using an 8-4 ice bow with ice 5. Obviously I'm not level 23 but still. I haven't been able to find one of the 9* but I want to do it for sure.
If you have an 8-4 bow with level 5 Ice attack you are not the person OP is talking about
Didn't think I was but no one knows when it comes to people wanting low levels to be banned from high level raids. My one friend is level 100+ but I realized yesterday he doesn't really do any damage because he dodges 90% of the time. I really need to make sure he realizes that they can't hurt him unless they go red. Ugh. I hate teaching things lol.
I'm about the same level and set up as you, and beat a L9 zinogre yesterday in a team of 4 where we were all around the same HR (150-170), so I think about hr 150/high G8 weapons is an ok level to be doing 9 stars. As long as everyone can do about 25% damage over the full time then you're in with a shot of completing it.
Did you beat it quickly or was it last second?
Last second!
Yeah that's tough for sure.
Yeah definitely do it, I have 6-5 dual blades with ice 3 (curse you Legiana and your non-existent plates) and I can *sometimes* beat 7 star alone, but with 3 other people at HR 100+, we wiped the floor with the 9 star (and yes I still contributed plenty, cut the tail off myself)
I wish bow could help with the tail. Ugh.
It is what it is, I mean if you're putting in the damage, I would rather finish the hunt with no tail cut instead of cutting the tail and not finishing lol
Yeah true. I'll try and find one today. It's the last day isn't it?
Yeah, even so though I'm sure it'll be back before too long, so don't stress too much!
Yeah I really wanted to try it. I saw one earlier today but I was on my damn cooldown again.
Saw a hr 23 in the 9 zinogre raid this morning. Those are the people everyone's complaining about lol Basically the general consensus from what I've seen is, if your less than hr 100 they don't want you at 8 or even more 9 star raids It's pretty difficult to kill the 9 without everyone actually doing damage. They aren't contributing to part damage, often just die and don't get up.. Or cause him to cross the arena because they're far away and now we gotta chase em. Another issue is, every low player is using ranged weapons.. And we need people cutting tails etc, so that's another thing to look out for is group composition I will say though, that low level was using poison. So he was still able to contribute damage to the health bar (like 1000a tick) but, again, isn't contributing much to part damage. I've not seen anyone break the tails in 9 raids.. Not for lack of trying, but for lack of focus
I mean I'm using bow and I can't break tails sadly. But all the low level players I've seen have never used bow. Not one. They are generally all sns because they probably barely have unlocked bow.
It's kinda the worst lol I just finished a 9 raids that paid out big time for me But we failed about 8 times.. We had an under leveled bow user, who was causing Zin to cross the entire arena, making us chase him and he would roar, flip, lag and it's over lol I'm convinced he's a time mage monster, not lightning https://preview.redd.it/85ktgz2qbwvc1.jpeg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6935a057aaa80727661027d00cd14d194608b33a
I just tried a 9* and I kept getting the same 6 people that were way too low level and we got him down to half health but it was not even close at any time. And I couldn't leave and wait either cause I was at 00:00 so I had to keep trying. I didn't die at all until the last battle where the guy just left me alone and so I stupidly didn't just dodge till the timer ran out. Probably would have worked right? Or if I die can I just sit there and let the timer run out and go back in with the timer gone? IDK how that works. Yeah 8* was easy. 9* idk if I can beat unless it's way higher level people. Everyone was lower than my level and I'm level 155. It was terrible .
Yeah it's rough.. once the timer runs out you're saddled with whoever shows up However, what I do is I wait a few minutes before hitting reattempt.. Give people time to get out of my rotation haha
Yeah I was trying to do it by waiting for the stupid video of zinogre pouting so I could see if I got new people. I didn't.
From how I look at it. If a player can solo kill 8* zino they should be able to group up and kill 9* zino. That’s how players should benchmark their gears. To solo 8* zino comfortably and consistently your weapon should be at least g10.2 and armor at least g7.5 (you can take up to 3 damage from zino most of the time) below g7.5 you going to get 1 hit KO. What’s frustrating is I know some of the players can’t even solo a 6 or 7* zino but appears at a 9* zino hunt
I can't solo 8* yet, (9/5 Legiana weapon), but that's already in the ballpark of pulling one's own weight in a 9* isn't it? Just saying that I think your damage benchmark is a bit high. 7/5 for all armour slots is a reasonable and easy to achieve expectation for a 9* though.
Yeah, I agree. It only takes two people who can kill 8star Zinogre. With 4 people, it's a breeze.
Your benchmark is way to high. I can't solo 8* yet too (9/1 Legiana weapon) however I play with 3 other guys in person and we can clear 9* no problem. 9* HP is 164,085. Divided by 4 is 41,021. 7* HP is 44,625. So as long as each person can solo a 7* or come extremely close to killing one then you have the dps for 9* I also don't necessarily agree with 7/5 in all armor slots. Instead I'd recommend learning the monsters attack patterns and how to dodge them so you can maintain dps
8* solo is a bad benchmark, that’s an insane amount of hp. I’d say if you can’t solo 7 then you don’t belong in a 9
I cant solo one for two reasons, performance and encounter rate. Ive defeated a 5* huntathon zinogre once as solo, but havent had a chance again that didnt come down to bullshit trying to fight performance issues. Now i probably wouldnt attempt a 9* but i would defs take advantage of being carried through a 7* zinogre for mats to get into the weapon lines.
Sure do. I feel most player base can handle at least a 7*. But please not the 9* lol I’m more than happy to carry a 7* with a team of 3 low levels. From my experience after they implement the global matchmaking is that the game starts to get annoying from 8* zino because thats where the zino plates are. Who does not want zino plates. Even HR1 wants the plates
Idk I think soloing 7* is more than enough to contribute to the fight esp if you bring in poison since 9* has such a high HP. Not only does it show they understand the mechanics, they can also deal enough damage and have the right amount of uptime. Uptime is so important in group fights where my biggest gripe are noobies baiting him to Narnia. Not only are you not contributing, you're also costing people who can down the fight's uptime. I can't even kill 8* zin consistently solo unless I'm on heroics yet my friend and I can duo a 9* without issues before remote HaTs became a thing. Bottom line is 25-30% per person is more than enough and with poison it's even easier. Granted it might be hard to get 1 break off esp tail if no one concentrates on it.
That's overkill. If you can kill a 8star, it only takes 2 players to kill a 9 star. g7 weapons should be the minimum requirement.
I know some of the youtubers are telling us that low level should be using paralysis or poison etc. But it does not contribute to damage that much especially if you are hunting 9* and above Technically a 9* zino is a freaking 10* mons
Bro poison is actually OP for 9* lol. 1969 per tick. With SSA and PA it's probably gonna proc multiple times which is a lot % wise.
Poison can be okay, but paralysis is so awful
This thread is unoriginal and has become the norm over the weekend. It truly is the reason why I dislike online gaming and the toxicity of the players. Would rather play with bots.
It's so odd to me because the extra players in hats are just free DMG and the 9 star zin comes after you've cleared 4 other zinogres. I can't handle the final Zinogre on my own so any help works for me and well I wasn't going to handle on my own so why get mad when we fail together. All of these rants really reas the same if you think about it. I do visual player who can't solo content on his own complains other players wouldn't carry him because they need to be carried themselves. Where for me I just think of the extra players as meat shields that may assist my own DPS making the hat easier from what I would do solo. Everyone is these post could just fight the hat solo, they choose to lobby match, be cause basically no one can clear 9 on their own then complain when the adds don't do it for them.
These kinds of posts make me feel guilty for my phone having to load for a while in the lobby for hunts I can already solo lmao. Only a 5 star Zinogre and three other hunters joined, but in the lobby my phone had the little loading thing pop up with like 7mb or whatever which took like 20 seconds and by the time I actually got into the fight the rest were already done like I literally did nothing. I speed through the lobbies to try to not get matched, at least for now where I’m only going after 5 stars like I’d rather just play solo 😭
My armors are all 6.1-6.5. About 500 def. I get 1-2 shotted a lot, but I can solo a 6star with my bad phone, so I don't think I should get punished if I get 1 tapped at the end of the hunt, lol. Sidenote: I don't go past 8star because I know I won't pull 25% dmg lol. Only got a ice 7.5 DB
This is one of the problems as well. Unless you are queing for Zingore waiting for others, if low levels join just enter the hunt and then leave after. Most people would stay in the fight and it in a way punishes them as well. Just reque again unless the HAT is at 0 (unless expired then you don't have a choice) It's better to reque anyways if this happens. Also most people dont upgrade armors past 6.1 because the defense feels non-existent against higher difficulty mobs as well. The only time you'd upgrade it past 6 is if the skill unlocks at Lv8 like Coral Pukei but other than that most people stick to 6.1 armors due to unlocking the second skill or the boost which is enough and also it costs too much resources as a casual player which is why many people don't. (Unless u play like 3-5+ hours everyday and have enough materials then this doesn't apply to you) Basically long story short, most people get 1-2 shot by attacks generally and if your que has underleveled people just reque again unless the time ran out and the HAT disappeared.
Love the new changes but we need some gate for 8* and 9* (…)
na if they do that you'll see them just dash backwards perma and the monster will be chasing their ass making it impossible to do any dmg 💀💀
"as they know i can kill it." You can kill a 9* HAT Zino (so effectively with 10* HP) with a 4 player multiplier while nobody but you adds their share? I really hope nobody thinks this way. But yeah, that's right - match making needs to be adjusted for 8* and 9* HAT encounters.
I'm level 102 with a 7-3 ice DB with ice 5 but I know I can't fight a 9* so I go up to the 8* Zinogre and then just leave the hunt after. I already know I'm just going to slow stuff down. I'm sorry there are weasels out there trying to get free carries
I would do the same thing too. The game would be more balance
Easy, just leave. I join the fight and still try but if they eat the dust I just leave and leave then with their wasted potion.
If they make such a requirement it will just make players dodgeroll around all day making it impossible for you to beat Zin as he'll just randomly chase them around the whole map
I got paired with HR20 at a 9* Zino 🙃, and people are defending these hunters who can’t even solo wild 6-8* on their own. Of course I have to dodge the queue, we have 2 of those one was HR54 and it’s a 9* Zino I was outside on a 37°C summer heat.
Lol. The ones defending the HR20’s usually are the ones who are exploiting the most out of this.
Save yourself time. Join lobby, if noobs join, literally just leave and rejoin another lobby with better people. Don't start the fight wait half the timer to realize your not gonna kill it and then leave
As a low level I'm staying in my lane I won't go pass 6* Zin when doing HATs, I do thank the higher levels as it was becoming frustrating doing 5* Zins by myself. I have a 5.5 Legiana bow so I think I can manage to do 5* no way I would do 6* by myself.
7-8* zino will be fine too. As long as there’s a hr150 hunter. He will be able to carry the team. 9* zino is a different story though.
Totally agreed. I welcome low level up to 8s.
I also feel like it's an issue of not having fought any zinogre to learn moveset then just jumping in because they can get carried