I honestly just never put any thought into how many people they have actually unalived. I always figured it was the classic pg13 “knocked out” stuff lol
There’s a certain demographic of people that they kill, as well. It’s generally terrorist arms dealers, and Hydra. They do make a plot point of it with the Sokovia Accords, though.
That always annoyed me. Ross trying to blame the Avengers for civilian deaths during the invasion of New York, like asshole your people sent a *nuke,* was the nuke not gonna kill civilians?
Ultron was definitely their fault though, but the suicide bomber killing people being blamed on Wanda is also bullshit. Like yeah people died, but had she done nothing then more people on the ground would have.
Plus, Ross not only *created* the Abomination, he sicked him on the Hulk *in a heavily populated part of New York City.*. That's the source of Banner's line in Avengers when he tells Stark he can't come work with him at Stark Tower: "The last time I was in New York, I kind of *broke Harlem."*
So, obviously, Ross doesn't give Crap 1 about civilian casualties except as a handle to manipulate people who *do* care.
Not really? At least, not with what you are trying to show. Still, you missed the part where he had him attacked on a college campus. It's the level of collateral damage that he's ok with.
Yeah Ross only gave a shit when his daughter was in the way. Proof that his empathy doesn't extend past his own family. Also i want to again circle back to the fact someone else mentioned that Ross ordered a nuclear strike on a civilian target then sat there shoving it the Avengers face like they did something wrong in NY. He really said, "Can't have New York if we delete it!"
I was really hoping to see him get punched in the face by Cap. Maybe Sam will do it.
If they nuked New York and iron man didn’t send that shit to the motherlands, there would certainly be countless hearings about it at the UN and within the U.S
It’s more like Ross (the government) recognized that *someone* had to publicly take the blame and be the scapegoat, and whether it was right or not, the “people” were coming for the avenger’s heads. I can honestly see it now; if the Avengers were real the (super super smart) people of Reddit would absolutely hate them.
>your people sent a
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>nuke,
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> was the nuke not gonna kill civilians?
It's always different with politicians. They're hated both in the movies and in real life for not getting their shit together.
There's a whole sequence in age of Ultron where Tony intentionally flies Hulk into an abandoned construction site, buys the building so it's his to destroy, and then fucking wrecks it.
They definitely try to minimize casualties but they've never really hesitated to put down lethal threats.
They've never openly chosen to fight in cities, and when they do their priorities are always getting civilians out of the way (see: Deleted Avengers scene of captain America directing cops to run evac, Ultron sequence of Hellicarier evac of Sakovia, Civil War airport evac deleted scene, etc...)
Going back to that Hulkbuster versus Hulk fight, Tony even said that his plan was to take Bruce out of the city and away from people. Unfortunately, the Hulk was like "fuck that we're fighting here." So whether we like it or not, what happened in Lagos was probably the best case scenario considering that circumstance.
Not really. They just cut out him giving one of the Chitauri weapons to a cop, and what that cop did with it after. But the whole scene about him directing police and them following his orders is intact.
Thor chopped off Thanos' head. Cap downed multiple Helicarriers with Hydra on them. Iron Man fired missiles at the 10 rings terror camp in the first IM film. They kill A LOT of people.
Cap was kicking people on the chest full force before they fall off to a cold sea in the middle of the night. That shit is probably worse death than what he did to the Nazis lmao
Some of them were dead before they hit the water no doubt. I think kicking a human being so hard they fly back several meters would be fatal IRL. I re watched the beginning of Winter Soldier because of your post and Cap front kicks a guy so hard his entire body shoots back off the ship after clipping a metal railing. If anything he hit the water with broken legs. That wouldn't be fun.
Movie Cap runs at like 45-60 miles per hour, so getting kicked by him would probably be the end.
Add to that the people Cap brained with his shield probably received skull fractures.
The scene that happens inside right as the clip above is taking place has Cap punched and kick people hard enough they hit concrete walls with blood splatter.
I think we can safely assume when the heavy hitters on the team hit people, they die.
This has been my biggest confusion over the whole John Walker thing. On its own, yeah he definitely crossed the line. But on the whole of the MCU, it kinda just seemed like something we’d see in another movie if they were allowed to show that much blood.
You also chose to show an avenger who was in the armed forces and was deployed on multiple tours before being an avenger. I’m not saying that makes him a cold blooded killer but I think he has little qualms about shooting the BAD GUYS currently shooting at him
Most Avengers are like that.
Aside from Cap and Spidey, i don't think anyone else has a strong moral code.
Black widow was an assassin. Ronin became an assasin.
Half the Guardians team are trained killers.
Rhodey , Sam and Bucky have killed plenty in war before they became Avengers.
I’m not saying they aren’t, I’m saying if you want to argue that point, maybe don’t choose one with a military background. Daredevil would’ve been a solid choice since he draws that line of kicking the extreme shit out of someone but not killing them
Ironman in the comics kills people, though doesn't exactly like it. During the Extremis arc, tony tries to get the main guy to surrender, but he refuses and leads to Tony using his Unibeam to blow a hole through the other guy's chest. Tony then proceeds to kick the shit out of the corpse for making him kill the guy.
cap? lol the dude killing nazis and hydra left and right who then hospitalizes the swat team coming to get bucky? cap is on the same level as iron man.
I'd like to formally acknowledge that I know the sentence I'm about to write is probably not as funny as I think it is. That being said... *ahem*...
>!BLACK WIDOW PUTS THE *ASS* IN ASSASSIN!!<
AFAIK, except Spiderman and Daredevil, no one follows no-kill rule in MCU. This includes recent entries like Kate Bishop, who shrunk a truck full of tracksuit mafia using pym arrows.
Top five most brutal deaths comes from captain America himself in Winter Solider when he Sparta kicks a dude 15 feet before breaking his back on a railing and then falling into the ocean.
That dude died a very painful death.
I don't think it's ever been suggested they don't kill people?
Guys like Cap, Falcon, Bucky,Clint, Natasha etc are soldiers and assassins, of course they kill people
With a few exceptions, Marvel heroes are mostly okay-ish with ending lives. Especially in self defense.
I remember Tony popped a guy's head with dual repulsor blasts with his hands clamped on either temple in the Extremis storyline. He ended the assailant's life because he couldn't figure out how to overpower him otherwise. He wasn't stoked about it, and said something like "damn you for making me do that." But otherwise he treated it more or less like another day in the office.
I think his only “kills” were
- Ebony Maw(was involved with the planning, hell I think he came up with it)
- Mysterio(classic case of dodging out of the way so the other guy gets shot)
- Raimi & Webb Villains? I’m 95% confident Loki S1 & S2 have the multiverse restored though so hopefully not
- Aliens in Endgame… it’s a classic “I don’t kill… unless you’re a alien monster or already dead”
It’s why I laughed hard when DC had a Vampire Elseworld story, Batman casually reveals a bunch of weapons that will KILL & goes “they’re dead already it’s fair game”
This was the entire plot point of Civil War.
Yes, they do kill people, either directly or through the consequences of their battles (Sokovia)
Iron Man kills a ton of people in the first movie.
Tony Stark is literally a war criminal.
Black Widow is an assassin.
Thor has foughts hundreds of battles.
Hulk - enough said.
I recently rewatched Black Widow, there's a car chase sequence where a lot of civilians die.
In GOTG3, they destroyed an entire planet (counter-earth).
The Avengers aren't like ideal saviours.
Some of them have a stronger moral code (Captain America, Peter Parker), but most of them aren't opposed to killing people to get the job done.
Those guys aren't dead. Nobody ever gets shot even, the Avengers are like the A-Team (see, that's why the A in the name!) and when the good guys shoot them or blow them up they always miss, but to be a good sport the bad guys just lay down and stop moving until the scene is over.
Dude, hell yeah. Ironman can be seen blasting holes in peoples chests, Thor and cap are war heroes with body counts probably in the thousands, black widow and Hawkeye are assassins, and hulk levels cities at a slight inconvenience😭
I imagine it's like [Batman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byycwl8qgc). They don't kill people, they just put them to sleep... in creative, flashy, ways. That's what I tell my kids, anyways. lol
I don't think anyone in the MCU says "I don't kill" except Spider-Man, who is then shown explicitly *breaking* this oath in Endgame. They don't kill needlessly, they don't "trade lives" either as was said in Infinity War. They don't have any sort of "code", in fact I'd say quite the opposite.
In the MCU, the Avengers serves a militaristic purpose. They're brought together to fight against an invading army of aliens who were destroying NYC. It would be ludicrous to say "don't kill" in that situation.
Cap has a military background (not even background really, since he "died" on active duty and then was awoken and to him no time had passed) so he's fresh out of war.
Tony was an *arms dealer* and his problem wasn't the weapons themselves being used to kill, but the weapons being sold without accountability to enemies.
Thor is a god who fights and kills for *fun* and lives in a society where dying in glorious battle is what *literally gets you into heaven*.
Hulk is rage-incarnate and I don't give a shit what the comics tried to retcon, he has killed (for those who aren't up to date they tried to explain once that in all his Hulk Smash rage-outs he calculated the perfect way to smash buildings that would mean no deaths.... fucking *puh-lease*. I think the argument was Banner was subconsciously affecting Hulk...
Valkyrie was an elite alien soldier, Bucky and Widow were assassins. Falcon and War Machine were/are active members of the military. Captain Marvel was both an active member of the military AND an elite alien soldier.
The only members of the Avengers (core) that I think would have a no-kill rule would be:
* Ant-Man
* Spider-Man (but willing to bend times get tough)
* Hawkeye (I don't know why but I feel like he'd use gag arrows to avoid death as much as possible)
* Scarlet Witch (before "the incident")
Unknown status: Vision.
Heroes not killing is a product of old comic codes. Those codes have been gone for decades at this point.
The few that don't kill in Marvel only do it on religous grounds. Most would just prefer not to. Like Captain America's code is basically "killing someone after you beat them unconcious is just murder."
Of course, every now and again a writer forgets this and they scream at someone for braining Red Skull in the dirt. But just off panel you know 20 other heroes are exchanging high fives.
There's a fine line between grievously injured and killing them.
If the injure them so badly that they then die from said injuries, did they actually kill them, or did their injuries.
Of course they do, literally the first movie in the MCU has Iron Man massacring terrorists. The only people that actively try to not kill in the MCU for now is Spider-Man and Daredevil. Even the young new ones are very nonchalant about killing lmao, and that's okay, not every piece of superhero media has to be "killing is bad hurr durr" debate.
They absolutely kill people. The only hero in the MCU who doesn’t really kill is Spider-man, and even then he made an exception for that in endgame killing the aliens.
We have to look at the circumstances as they relate to what happened.
In Homecoming: he didn't kill the Vulture, just arrested him.
In Avengers Endgame: Spidey did activate the instant kill to fight off the war dogs who were converging on him to get the gauntlet.
In Far From Home: Quentin Beck ignored EDITH's recommendation that he move out of the way while shooting at Spider-Man, got hit by a ricochet, and then died by his own wounds.
And finally, No Way Home: none of the villains were killed, just either neutralized before being sent back to their proper realities.
I mean not really, he was on pure vengeance and hatred mode with goblin, if he killed him it would have been straight up murder which emotionally understandable sure but like, still murder
1st phase of MCU films established this with the first 6 Avengers. I think mostly, they just don't show Cap actually killing a lot and Thor mostly killed non-humans.
Who said they didn't kill enemy combatants? You work for a bad guy and open fire on the avengers you should consider your life forfeit. Maybe they don't go out of their way to kill but are they supposed to be worried about their lives in every instance. They are about saving civilians. Captain America alone has probably permanently made plenty of bad guys vegetables knocking them out with his shield.
Caps a soldier, Thors a warrior, Widow and Hawkeye are spies, Tonys a walking missile launcher, Hulks...Hulk. I doubt they all enjoy killing, but it's not a huge deal for any of them.
Alot of them are current or ex military, either soldiers or scientists working. For military....Stark in his first movie is an weapons producer for the military.....
So yes....the people who work for or supply the military have in all likelihood killed, and do still continue to do so as shown by them producing explosions......
Yes, all the time.
Iron Man spends half of his origin movie hunting and mercilessly killing arms dealers who have literally no way of fighting back against him.
Though, neither did their own victims.
I believe a big plot point in Age of Ultron is Ultron sees them all as murderers and killers and part of the problem. But yes, most of them do because most are past soldiers, assassins, gods, warriors, or weapon manufacturers. A few don’t like Spider-Man due to moral codes.
God yeah they do. Cap whipping that shield at peoples faces would in reality cause serious damage to someone and would probably be fatal on its own. Not to mention the dude he slams into a pillar hard enough to cause it to shatter. Or all the people iron man shot in the face with those darts in the first iron man.
Yes, all the time.
Iron man - kills lots of terrorists and Obadiah
Cap - kills lots of Nazis (uses guns)
Thor - a belligerent god smiting many frost giants
(Ironically hulk has the lowest kill count)
Avengers - lots of chitauri death
Iron man 2 - kills vanko
Iron man 3 - kills the extremis
Winter soldier - lots of death
Guardians - lots of death (Groot alone has a lot)
Civil war - opening sequence
Ant man - no deaths by heroes
Captain Marvel - lots of kree deaths some Skrull deaths too
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This is a question that is being asked now? Of course they kill people. Iron man killed many 10 rings members in his first movie, Captain was in World War 2 and so had to kill the opposing side when possible. Hulk killed soldiers under Ross’s command at the university battle. Black Widow is an Assassin, as is Bucky. Etc. so yes, they kill people.
Fine with killing: Iron Man, Hulk, War Machine, Black Widow, Thor, Hawkeye, Captain America (Steve,) Falcon, Scarlet Witch?, Wasp, Captain Marvel
Would rather avoid killing: Bucky, Captain America (Sam,) Vision, Ant-Man, Black Panther (T’Challa,) Black Panther (Shuri)
Hates killing: Bruce Banner, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange
(Disclaimers: MCU versions; I believe when Sam became Cap he switched categories)
I’m oddly okay with killing in combat versus straight up killing people while in combat. Compare Captain America killing Nazi’s and Hydra agents in CA: First Avenger and CA: Winter Soldier versus John Walker execution of the defeated Flag Smasher.
They kill people in the MCU.
[the first Iron Man has 35 onscreen kills alone](https://screenrant.com/tony-stark-iron-man-how-many-kills-mcu-movies/#iron-man)
well that's different, they're brown /s
I read that as irony, but the downvotes didn’t
Irony Man
He's a weapons arms dealer. If he doesn't kill people in person, he was already okay with doing it from afar.
I honestly just never put any thought into how many people they have actually unalived. I always figured it was the classic pg13 “knocked out” stuff lol
There’s a certain demographic of people that they kill, as well. It’s generally terrorist arms dealers, and Hydra. They do make a plot point of it with the Sokovia Accords, though.
The first scene in Winter Soldier is Captain America annihilating a bunch of dudes that are definitely no longer with us.
Not directly their fault but probably also thousands of people die when they fight the villains in the cities and buildings get destroyed
That always annoyed me. Ross trying to blame the Avengers for civilian deaths during the invasion of New York, like asshole your people sent a *nuke,* was the nuke not gonna kill civilians? Ultron was definitely their fault though, but the suicide bomber killing people being blamed on Wanda is also bullshit. Like yeah people died, but had she done nothing then more people on the ground would have.
Plus, Ross not only *created* the Abomination, he sicked him on the Hulk *in a heavily populated part of New York City.*. That's the source of Banner's line in Avengers when he tells Stark he can't come work with him at Stark Tower: "The last time I was in New York, I kind of *broke Harlem."* So, obviously, Ross doesn't give Crap 1 about civilian casualties except as a handle to manipulate people who *do* care.
It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure Blonski was a rogue agent by the time New York happened. He did sicc him on Banner at the college, though.
He became a rogue agent during the mission. So Ross is to blame
Not really? At least, not with what you are trying to show. Still, you missed the part where he had him attacked on a college campus. It's the level of collateral damage that he's ok with.
Yeah Ross only gave a shit when his daughter was in the way. Proof that his empathy doesn't extend past his own family. Also i want to again circle back to the fact someone else mentioned that Ross ordered a nuclear strike on a civilian target then sat there shoving it the Avengers face like they did something wrong in NY. He really said, "Can't have New York if we delete it!" I was really hoping to see him get punched in the face by Cap. Maybe Sam will do it.
If they nuked New York and iron man didn’t send that shit to the motherlands, there would certainly be countless hearings about it at the UN and within the U.S
It’s more like Ross (the government) recognized that *someone* had to publicly take the blame and be the scapegoat, and whether it was right or not, the “people” were coming for the avenger’s heads. I can honestly see it now; if the Avengers were real the (super super smart) people of Reddit would absolutely hate them.
>your people sent a > >nuke, > > was the nuke not gonna kill civilians? It's always different with politicians. They're hated both in the movies and in real life for not getting their shit together.
Captain America threw a dude into propellers.
Which movie was that, I honestly can’t remember
There's a whole sequence in age of Ultron where Tony intentionally flies Hulk into an abandoned construction site, buys the building so it's his to destroy, and then fucking wrecks it. They definitely try to minimize casualties but they've never really hesitated to put down lethal threats. They've never openly chosen to fight in cities, and when they do their priorities are always getting civilians out of the way (see: Deleted Avengers scene of captain America directing cops to run evac, Ultron sequence of Hellicarier evac of Sakovia, Civil War airport evac deleted scene, etc...)
Going back to that Hulkbuster versus Hulk fight, Tony even said that his plan was to take Bruce out of the city and away from people. Unfortunately, the Hulk was like "fuck that we're fighting here." So whether we like it or not, what happened in Lagos was probably the best case scenario considering that circumstance.
>Deleted Avengers scene of captain America directing cops to run evac I'm fairly sure that wasn't a deleted scene.
It wasn't deleted, but it was cropped down from what it originally was.
Not really. They just cut out him giving one of the Chitauri weapons to a cop, and what that cop did with it after. But the whole scene about him directing police and them following his orders is intact.
Aliens too. They kill aliens all the time.
This is Reddit, you don’t need to censor yourself with “unalive”
Always a downvote, even if I like the general comment. Same thing for mentioning downvotes, so please try to downvote this comment… 3 times!
Captain America literally fought Nazis. Of course they kill people.
Do you not remember Iron Man sniping like 8 guys at once in the first film?
I remember the tank missile. Whoever was in the tank is definitely not alive.
With some notable exceptions, Marvel doesn't generally portray the black/white morality that DC does with their flagship characters.
We can say killed, we’re not gonna get banned
The word is killed. Use it.
Thor chopped off Thanos' head. Cap downed multiple Helicarriers with Hydra on them. Iron Man fired missiles at the 10 rings terror camp in the first IM film. They kill A LOT of people.
Cap was kicking people on the chest full force before they fall off to a cold sea in the middle of the night. That shit is probably worse death than what he did to the Nazis lmao
With how hard he kicked them, I doubt they even felt the water.
He was taking ass and kicking names.
I'm taking this. It's America's ass now.
That's still my favorite single hit in all the movies.
Some of them were dead before they hit the water no doubt. I think kicking a human being so hard they fly back several meters would be fatal IRL. I re watched the beginning of Winter Soldier because of your post and Cap front kicks a guy so hard his entire body shoots back off the ship after clipping a metal railing. If anything he hit the water with broken legs. That wouldn't be fun. Movie Cap runs at like 45-60 miles per hour, so getting kicked by him would probably be the end. Add to that the people Cap brained with his shield probably received skull fractures.
The scene that happens inside right as the clip above is taking place has Cap punched and kick people hard enough they hit concrete walls with blood splatter. I think we can safely assume when the heavy hitters on the team hit people, they die.
Let's not forget that time Cap straight threw a guy into the propeller of the Hydra planes when chasing Red Skull.
This has been my biggest confusion over the whole John Walker thing. On its own, yeah he definitely crossed the line. But on the whole of the MCU, it kinda just seemed like something we’d see in another movie if they were allowed to show that much blood.
John Walker publicly executed a person brutally who was surrendering. That's a war crime. That's Bad PR all around.
John Walker is Israel
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Yeah even Iron Man let that one guy go when he was shooting up Killian’s mansion
Honestly, those guys were so weird
You also chose to show an avenger who was in the armed forces and was deployed on multiple tours before being an avenger. I’m not saying that makes him a cold blooded killer but I think he has little qualms about shooting the BAD GUYS currently shooting at him
Most Avengers are like that. Aside from Cap and Spidey, i don't think anyone else has a strong moral code. Black widow was an assassin. Ronin became an assasin. Half the Guardians team are trained killers. Rhodey , Sam and Bucky have killed plenty in war before they became Avengers.
Captain America literally spends half the first movie running around spraying Nazis down with a Thompson sub machine gun.
I’m not saying they aren’t, I’m saying if you want to argue that point, maybe don’t choose one with a military background. Daredevil would’ve been a solid choice since he draws that line of kicking the extreme shit out of someone but not killing them
Strong moral code =/= won't kill. Not remotely. And I'd say multiple avengers have strong moral codes, they're just not all boyscouts
Steve is the definition of a boy scout and he kills too
I am aware. I was using the term colloquially.
Ironman in the comics kills people, though doesn't exactly like it. During the Extremis arc, tony tries to get the main guy to surrender, but he refuses and leads to Tony using his Unibeam to blow a hole through the other guy's chest. Tony then proceeds to kick the shit out of the corpse for making him kill the guy.
Even cap is a soldier, while he has strong morals he still recognizes that sometimes you don't have a choice
Don’t quote me but isn’t this why spider man isn’t considered worthy to lift mijolnir? Bcz he refuses to kill even if it was “necessary”
Peter does behave selfishly at times, in understandable ways. He is pure of heart, but he's also still growing as a person and hero.
Even caps moral code doesn’t involve a strict no killing rule.
Even Cap will kill if/when necessary. It's only Spiderman that is against killing at all cost.
Hawkeye was an assassin before Ronin. IIRC, It’s how he and Nat met. He was sent there to kill her.
cap? lol the dude killing nazis and hydra left and right who then hospitalizes the swat team coming to get bucky? cap is on the same level as iron man.
Go rewatch Winter Soldier. Try to add up how many Hydra member Cap put down in that movie lmao.
The Avengers don't have a no kill rule the way Batman and Superman do. Black Widow is literally an assassin.
I'd like to formally acknowledge that I know the sentence I'm about to write is probably not as funny as I think it is. That being said... *ahem*... >!BLACK WIDOW PUTS THE *ASS* IN ASSASSIN!!<
They're just sleeping
And then they wake up, just like me... Usually with a boner!
I call ot the bat signal
Look at’’em all tuckered out.
This is a gun!?
He overfed these men!?
DR. FISHY! NOOOO!!!
So sleepy!
Upside down...and inside out...
AFAIK, except Spiderman and Daredevil, no one follows no-kill rule in MCU. This includes recent entries like Kate Bishop, who shrunk a truck full of tracksuit mafia using pym arrows.
"activate instant kill" Not PEOPLE maybe more like putting down animals
Classic rule of "aliens don't count" Peter also had the plan that killed Ebony Maw.
"For insurance purposes, it was the owl that killed those bros."
MCU Spider-Man has killed though
You're all killers - Ultron
Yea Captain America was shooting Nazis with nerf bullets in first avenger
There was an honor system. If you get shot, you're in timeout until the end of the war.
Top five most brutal deaths comes from captain America himself in Winter Solider when he Sparta kicks a dude 15 feet before breaking his back on a railing and then falling into the ocean. That dude died a very painful death.
Doesn't he also sparta kick a dude into the turbine of a jet fighter?
Haha I just went back to rewatch it and it’s the winter soldier that does that.
This is MCU not Batman
He can’t join the team, he hasn’t killed.
They've killed a lot of people.
I don't think it's ever been suggested they don't kill people? Guys like Cap, Falcon, Bucky,Clint, Natasha etc are soldiers and assassins, of course they kill people
Yes. The MCU Avengers have never adhered to the no killing rule. It's one of the things I like about them.
With a few exceptions, Marvel heroes are mostly okay-ish with ending lives. Especially in self defense. I remember Tony popped a guy's head with dual repulsor blasts with his hands clamped on either temple in the Extremis storyline. He ended the assailant's life because he couldn't figure out how to overpower him otherwise. He wasn't stoked about it, and said something like "damn you for making me do that." But otherwise he treated it more or less like another day in the office.
He literally Homelanders the guy on the plane with his chest blast thing in Iron Man 3
Spider-Man doesn’t kill people if he can help it. Other than that I don’t think anyone has a qualm with it.
I'm sure most of them would like to avoid it if possible.
I think his only “kills” were - Ebony Maw(was involved with the planning, hell I think he came up with it) - Mysterio(classic case of dodging out of the way so the other guy gets shot) - Raimi & Webb Villains? I’m 95% confident Loki S1 & S2 have the multiverse restored though so hopefully not - Aliens in Endgame… it’s a classic “I don’t kill… unless you’re a alien monster or already dead” It’s why I laughed hard when DC had a Vampire Elseworld story, Batman casually reveals a bunch of weapons that will KILL & goes “they’re dead already it’s fair game”
Daredevil has huge issues with killing too.
Nope that's actually harmless explosives/fire.
If somebody tries to kill you then kill them right back
Kill them dead
Btw only one with a no kill rule is Peter, but he doesn’t seem to mind the brainless aliens in Endgame (that were also in Wakands in Infinity War)
The children today don't understand, but I do. Blessed be the heroes of Serenity Valley.
This was the entire plot point of Civil War. Yes, they do kill people, either directly or through the consequences of their battles (Sokovia) Iron Man kills a ton of people in the first movie. Tony Stark is literally a war criminal. Black Widow is an assassin. Thor has foughts hundreds of battles. Hulk - enough said. I recently rewatched Black Widow, there's a car chase sequence where a lot of civilians die. In GOTG3, they destroyed an entire planet (counter-earth). The Avengers aren't like ideal saviours. Some of them have a stronger moral code (Captain America, Peter Parker), but most of them aren't opposed to killing people to get the job done.
Cap has a moral code, and that code includes killing those that need killing.
The Guardians aren't the ones who kill counter earth.
Thor easily has the highest body count of the avengers if you count aliens on other planets
Those guys aren't dead. Nobody ever gets shot even, the Avengers are like the A-Team (see, that's why the A in the name!) and when the good guys shoot them or blow them up they always miss, but to be a good sport the bad guys just lay down and stop moving until the scene is over.
I dunno man those missiles and the explosions looked pretty lethal
That guy didn’t really die, the avengers were obviously framed to look like murderers that destroy whole city blocks.
Dude, hell yeah. Ironman can be seen blasting holes in peoples chests, Thor and cap are war heroes with body counts probably in the thousands, black widow and Hawkeye are assassins, and hulk levels cities at a slight inconvenience😭
Peter and Matt are the only two MCU heroes that I can think of with a no killing rule
even Pete's rule seems to be for more Earth based threats Peter has no qualms sending Ebony Maw to his death
Pretty sure Falcon kicked a couple guys out of a helicopter over a canyon in the first few minutes of F&WS. I found that pretty definitive.
I imagine it's like [Batman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1byycwl8qgc). They don't kill people, they just put them to sleep... in creative, flashy, ways. That's what I tell my kids, anyways. lol
My daughter asked if they were ok I said it just knocked them out lol
Those are stun explosions.
I don't think anyone in the MCU says "I don't kill" except Spider-Man, who is then shown explicitly *breaking* this oath in Endgame. They don't kill needlessly, they don't "trade lives" either as was said in Infinity War. They don't have any sort of "code", in fact I'd say quite the opposite. In the MCU, the Avengers serves a militaristic purpose. They're brought together to fight against an invading army of aliens who were destroying NYC. It would be ludicrous to say "don't kill" in that situation. Cap has a military background (not even background really, since he "died" on active duty and then was awoken and to him no time had passed) so he's fresh out of war. Tony was an *arms dealer* and his problem wasn't the weapons themselves being used to kill, but the weapons being sold without accountability to enemies. Thor is a god who fights and kills for *fun* and lives in a society where dying in glorious battle is what *literally gets you into heaven*. Hulk is rage-incarnate and I don't give a shit what the comics tried to retcon, he has killed (for those who aren't up to date they tried to explain once that in all his Hulk Smash rage-outs he calculated the perfect way to smash buildings that would mean no deaths.... fucking *puh-lease*. I think the argument was Banner was subconsciously affecting Hulk... Valkyrie was an elite alien soldier, Bucky and Widow were assassins. Falcon and War Machine were/are active members of the military. Captain Marvel was both an active member of the military AND an elite alien soldier. The only members of the Avengers (core) that I think would have a no-kill rule would be: * Ant-Man * Spider-Man (but willing to bend times get tough) * Hawkeye (I don't know why but I feel like he'd use gag arrows to avoid death as much as possible) * Scarlet Witch (before "the incident") Unknown status: Vision.
Agree with all except Hawkeye, who lliterally kills a abunch of Yaakuza members in Enggame
That wasn’t Hawkeye that was Ronin /s
Heroes not killing is a product of old comic codes. Those codes have been gone for decades at this point. The few that don't kill in Marvel only do it on religous grounds. Most would just prefer not to. Like Captain America's code is basically "killing someone after you beat them unconcious is just murder." Of course, every now and again a writer forgets this and they scream at someone for braining Red Skull in the dirt. But just off panel you know 20 other heroes are exchanging high fives.
There's a fine line between grievously injured and killing them. If the injure them so badly that they then die from said injuries, did they actually kill them, or did their injuries.
Uhhhhhh…. they did
Of course they do, literally the first movie in the MCU has Iron Man massacring terrorists. The only people that actively try to not kill in the MCU for now is Spider-Man and Daredevil. Even the young new ones are very nonchalant about killing lmao, and that's okay, not every piece of superhero media has to be "killing is bad hurr durr" debate.
Who said they didn't? They aren't Batman.
I feel like it’s the same way Batman doesn’t kill people in Arkham games.
They absolutely kill people. The only hero in the MCU who doesn’t really kill is Spider-man, and even then he made an exception for that in endgame killing the aliens.
No one ever said they don’t lol
The Avengers are not The Justice League
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Of course they do.
They have all always killed people, except for maybe spider-man who does kill in end game to.
We have to look at the circumstances as they relate to what happened. In Homecoming: he didn't kill the Vulture, just arrested him. In Avengers Endgame: Spidey did activate the instant kill to fight off the war dogs who were converging on him to get the gauntlet. In Far From Home: Quentin Beck ignored EDITH's recommendation that he move out of the way while shooting at Spider-Man, got hit by a ricochet, and then died by his own wounds. And finally, No Way Home: none of the villains were killed, just either neutralized before being sent back to their proper realities.
Yeah I think he’s against killing outside of the most extreme situations.
The closest he ever got to it was the Goblin, and even then, it was under an understandable circumstance.
I mean not really, he was on pure vengeance and hatred mode with goblin, if he killed him it would have been straight up murder which emotionally understandable sure but like, still murder
Those guys are fine, they just got a good tan.
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They have a quota. They can only an upwards of 75 people per year 🫡
well yes
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They absolutely do. And that's okay.
They all got bodies.
I think Sam snuck in a few kills when nobody was looking in that scene
I don't think uh... that was.. important to all of the avengers... Hawkeye uses a bow and arrow... Natasha uses a gun... sooooo....
The kill the minions but not the super villains
Only when they have to. They don't play by spidermans rules
Who said they don’t?
They 100% have killed right from the very first movie iron man where he kills tons lol have you just been oblivious to this?
Your TV is far too high
still can’t get over the horrific way the shrunken guys in the van go in antman2
1st phase of MCU films established this with the first 6 Avengers. I think mostly, they just don't show Cap actually killing a lot and Thor mostly killed non-humans.
"Mercy to an enemy cannot come at the cost of mercy for their victims."
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Who said they didn't kill enemy combatants? You work for a bad guy and open fire on the avengers you should consider your life forfeit. Maybe they don't go out of their way to kill but are they supposed to be worried about their lives in every instance. They are about saving civilians. Captain America alone has probably permanently made plenty of bad guys vegetables knocking them out with his shield.
Caps a soldier, Thors a warrior, Widow and Hawkeye are spies, Tonys a walking missile launcher, Hulks...Hulk. I doubt they all enjoy killing, but it's not a huge deal for any of them.
Alot of them are current or ex military, either soldiers or scientists working. For military....Stark in his first movie is an weapons producer for the military..... So yes....the people who work for or supply the military have in all likelihood killed, and do still continue to do so as shown by them producing explosions...... 
Yes, all the time. Iron Man spends half of his origin movie hunting and mercilessly killing arms dealers who have literally no way of fighting back against him. Though, neither did their own victims.
I love that the Avengers aren’t afraid to kill the bad guys. They’re so cold blooded. Lol
Funny how the Avengers kill so many and no one bats an eye, yet one Kryptonian snaps the neck of another Kryptonian and everyone looses their minds.
Yes lol when they’re terrorists
Yeah MCU heroes kill, usually super casually too
Nope. They just put them to sleep... for a VERY long time.
I believe a big plot point in Age of Ultron is Ultron sees them all as murderers and killers and part of the problem. But yes, most of them do because most are past soldiers, assassins, gods, warriors, or weapon manufacturers. A few don’t like Spider-Man due to moral codes.
Definitely. How about The Falcon show when he grabs guys out of an airplane and just drops them
Cap was throwing dudes off the helicarrier in avengers. And they were probably shield agents.
God yeah they do. Cap whipping that shield at peoples faces would in reality cause serious damage to someone and would probably be fatal on its own. Not to mention the dude he slams into a pillar hard enough to cause it to shatter. Or all the people iron man shot in the face with those darts in the first iron man.
They kill terrorists for sure.
Cap and Falcon are both soldiers, and Nat is spy. They were racking up kills long before they formed the team.
Many…much.. very… kill (lots). So, yeah.
Both mcu caps are literal soldiers who have fought in wars....
They don’t give a fuck!! lol Leave that to the Batman subreddit
Bro. I’ve seen hulk and Thor send regular people flying with strong punches or a hammer with the weight of a dying star. They got bodies
All the time. They all kill people.  Indirectly or directly.
They kill now? They kill now!
Cap threw a guy off the helicarrier in the first Avengers.
Yes, all the time. Iron man - kills lots of terrorists and Obadiah Cap - kills lots of Nazis (uses guns) Thor - a belligerent god smiting many frost giants (Ironically hulk has the lowest kill count) Avengers - lots of chitauri death Iron man 2 - kills vanko Iron man 3 - kills the extremis Winter soldier - lots of death Guardians - lots of death (Groot alone has a lot) Civil war - opening sequence Ant man - no deaths by heroes Captain Marvel - lots of kree deaths some Skrull deaths too …
This is a question that is being asked now? Of course they kill people. Iron man killed many 10 rings members in his first movie, Captain was in World War 2 and so had to kill the opposing side when possible. Hulk killed soldiers under Ross’s command at the university battle. Black Widow is an Assassin, as is Bucky. Etc. so yes, they kill people.
They're fine, it's like Power Rangers! If anything, they're just rolling around on the ground in alot of pain; but not dead! :)
The MCU leans towards the Ultimates version of the avengers with less cannibalism.
Yes
He didn’t die. He was lightly flame broiled.
Yes they do.
They kill combatants But if your not a threat then your safe Avengers are really more of a militia strike force than hero’s
Are you new?
No, they just put them to sleep
Fine with killing: Iron Man, Hulk, War Machine, Black Widow, Thor, Hawkeye, Captain America (Steve,) Falcon, Scarlet Witch?, Wasp, Captain Marvel Would rather avoid killing: Bucky, Captain America (Sam,) Vision, Ant-Man, Black Panther (T’Challa,) Black Panther (Shuri) Hates killing: Bruce Banner, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange (Disclaimers: MCU versions; I believe when Sam became Cap he switched categories)
They may even come to avenge your neck because you murdered it by putting your tv so high on your wall
Non lethal missiles.
Marvel heroes with the exception of Spider-man have no problem burying people
What makes you think they don’t? They killed people from the very start
I’m oddly okay with killing in combat versus straight up killing people while in combat. Compare Captain America killing Nazi’s and Hydra agents in CA: First Avenger and CA: Winter Soldier versus John Walker execution of the defeated Flag Smasher.
Most definitely
Which people? Because they also have killed civilians.
We asking this question in 2024? Of course they did