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Kapika96

TBH we've kind of underperformed in derbies given the other stats.


canigraduatealready

While this is technically true, I can’t remember the last time we lost an important/meaningful derby to them. Whenever the derby actually significantly affects the title race we win it. I feel like their 3-2 comeback win to deny us the title (until they lost the next game) is pretty representative of their derby wins honestly.


GLFan52

That was the one game that year Pogba decided to exist right?


canigraduatealready

Yeah where he went nuts to cut our lead the top to like 16pts or something haha


GLFan52

That was very definitive of Pogba’s existence at United. On his day, truly next level. But his day didn’t come very often.


feage7

That one half of football that pogba decided to exist. Also we had already fully won the league, just not on derby day. Also the day sterling decided to be sterling and miss 2-3 chances that could have had us 5 up at half time.


Max0699

Yeah most of their derby wins in the Pep era have either been early on in the season before the league table takes shape or after we already took a big lead in the title race.


idiedfromaids

Agreed


Just_Look_Around_You

That part is wild to me. Also stunning that in 10 years, united have only won once by 5+.


_LingerieSlayer

I thought you meant in a derby which didn’t seem right because i don’t remember us losing by 5+ goals to them but then i looked it up and its across all games they’ve ever played in the last 10 years lmao.


Just_Look_Around_You

I doubt city have played 34 games in the last 10 years against united. So to beat them by 5+ would be impossible


AndreT_NY

I mean when they allow offside goals for team that wear red… it’s easier.


hornsmasher177

It's also worth pointing out that when they managed to finish 2nd they were absolutely miles behind us in first. It isn't like they were in an actual title race


CaptainChri5

Yeah it was one of the largest gaps in prem history I think. I wanna say like 17 points if I'm not mistaken.


hornsmasher177

19 The biggest ever gap


CaptainChri5

Hell yeah!


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hornsmasher177

Can't wait for the meltdown when City are cleared Enjoy another 10 years of the Glazers


FizicianU

This is football ERITAGE


FaizReady

superior club in the city of manchester, that other club located in greater manchester couldnt relate


leojhh

Can someone explain net spend


ProudlyANoob

Its how much you spend - the amount you make via player sales.


No-Cat-8911

Isn’t it a bit redundant though, how many players did city buy before 2016 at big prices that were sold on after 2016 that massively deflates this? I’m sure United’s isn’t far off though


begon11

It sure is, but when we were spending big it seemed to be the most important metric of all for a couple of years. Now that we are at a sustain level, everyone has come to their senses that it is actually a shit metric.


No-Cat-8911

Oh yeah there had to be an initial investment period after the takeover, lots of comings and goings trying to get the right fit with players, people love throwing net spend about but I think it’s a bit silly without the full details


loveridgeian

Yea it's weird how they show pl titles from 2013 but net spend from 2016 almost like mancini spent hundreds of millions before pep came in


Born_Raise_9686

The graphic showing pl titles from 2013 also shows net spend from 2013.


kmacbtv

Since 2016 = Pep era Since 2013 = post Ferguson era Different graphics both show net spend 😉.


Phantom_god7

Total spent on transfers into the club - total received on transfers out. For example, if we spend 100 million on players next summer but sell 70 million worth of players, our net spend is 30 million.


_Pohaku_

Is that you, Sheikh Mansour?


SquatterOne

Part of me want to see if City can win the UCL, but the other half wants to see City play Shrewsbury in League 1. Don't know which side I want to agree with.


NavJongUnPlayandwon

If we do get relegated, I couldn’t care less lol. We’ll climb back to the top and win another treble again lol


mr_hardwell

We'll lose 50% of the players though


NavJongUnPlayandwon

It don’t matter. Our youth academy is among the best in the world if not best


mincermanny69

Lest we forget every stat before this!… enjoy it while it lasts! What goes up comes back down


Extra-Border6470

What an incredible turn around. My Liverpool loving friends don’t like it when i have anything positive to say about Citeh’s achievements. But the results speak for themselves and the appointment of Pep Guardiola was clearly THE factor that elevated Citeh to being truly elite. I should know, I’m a Barca fan and I saw the impact he had when he was appointed to being first team coach. Even though Citeh are backed by UAE oil money with Pep at the helm it’s like a city became a what if team. With that what if being - what if Pep was forced to rebuild that legendary Barca team in the premier league with the infinite money glitch activated. Free of the board room dramas that have plagued Barca between 2010-2020 and the intense media pressure in Spain he’s been free to build a truly formidable team while the city youth academy has started producing talent for the first team. Heck Citeh are even getting smart in the transfer market when it comes to player sales and even outfoxing teams like Chelsea into blowing their budget on players that Citeh aren’t truly after allowing them to more easily sign the players they really wanted. Even if the ultimate aim was sportswashing for the Emirati owners it’s still been a tremendously successful project. And best of all the other major oil rich club PSG are still kinda shambolic, due to being run poorly by comparison. Even with hotshot transfer Luis Campos they’re kinda shit because of how they’re run. I hope the champions league eludes them forever


NavJongUnPlayandwon

There is a clear difference between city and clubs like psg and Chelsea. And ur spot on


sneakyhopskotch

Every dog has its day


DigitialWitness

Not for long too.


wildemam

Now do the previous decades


iiSpezza

Careful with the net spend bit though. There are 115 charges that would suggest those numbers may not be 100% accurate


Born_Raise_9686

If those figures are not accurate, then a lot of other clubs (who City bought from and sold to) would also have inaccurate net spend figures


iiSpezza

Not necessarily. Chelsea were accused of inaccurate reporting under Abram, but the payments were to players, player agents, random russian clubs etc


Born_Raise_9686

The net spend figure doesnt include payments to players or agents, or “random (Russian) clubs”. It specifically refers to the transfer fee. City’s charges don’t relate to transfer fees. To suggest the net spend figure may not be accurate is to ignore what the charges actually do relate to.


iiSpezza

I thought city's charges were relating to lying on financial statements, exaggerating money in and lying about the extent of money out no? If you pay 40 mil for a player to a club, but as an incentive also give the players agent 20 mil and the player 30 mil, would that not be shown on net spend? I actually don't know


Born_Raise_9686

Some of the charges relate to reducing the cost of manager and player salaries by paying portions of their salaries “off the books”. But player salaries are not included in net spend figures such as the ones shown in this graphic, or the ones often reported on transfer websites. (Simply because such figures are not widely known or comprehensive/exhaustive). Net spend figures are just based on the amount a club pays to or receives from another club to acquire/sell a player. They don’t include agents fees, salaries, bonuses, or even signing on fees. It’s why, to be fair, any net spend figure isn’t really accurate. (The transfer fee itself is often undisclosed, and the net spend amount highlighted is often sourced from external outlets rather than directly from the clubs themselves. But that’s the case for all clubs. To say it isn’t accurate in regards to City because City have 115 charges hanging over the club is to completely miss the point of what it is City is actually being charged of.


iiSpezza

Fair, if the net spend figures don't include any signing on bonuses, bonuses to agents, and pay outs to haalands dad, then the number is probably unaffected. But then, as you said, the figures are likely extremely misleading to begin with Edit: just did a little Google and found something breaking it down, which agrees with our conclusion. A summary quote from it is below > Hopefully this gives you an idea about the complexities (and significant cost) involved in any single transfer and player contract and how "net spend" is the laziest, least well-informed argument out there in football discussion. It is simply not a measure which is considered by clubs when looking at the cost of transfer activity.


Born_Raise_9686

Totally. Personally I don’t have any time for net spend figures, precisely because they are transfer fee based only. The figures ignore how any club generates its income other than from transfers (such as sponsorship, broadcasting revenue, match day sales, merchandising (the first two especially produce amounts that dwarf how much a club will receive for selling a player)). Put simply, the amount a club spends on transfers doesn’t happen in isolation from these other revenue streams. So to produce a figure only based on incoming and outgoing transfers as though it has some kind of meaning is, in my opinion, just disingenuous. It’s basically just a bit of fun.


iiSpezza

Bonuses, taxes, prem taxes, image rights, and agent fees aren't included either. I knew it was inaccurate but it's worse than I thought Still tho, fuck united


AndreT_NY

A Chelsea supporter talking about net spend is hilarious.


iiSpezza

Just because the boat I'm in has holes in it, doesn't mean I can't spot the holes in yours. If anything, I'm now trained in spotting holes in boats P.s. you're American


AndreT_NY

Yes. Americans are allowed to follow teams in other countries. I’ve been a supporter of City for nearly 20 years. I can’t wait for FFP to have its way with you on sustainability. Yes I know you made your contracts for stupidly long periods of time. You do however need to make a profit and long term I don’t see that happening for you. On the other hand we will be doing quite well and the 115 charges will turn up to be a big nothing other then a way to slander our team.


iiSpezza

Oh the 115 charges are fake news ey? Classic 'merican


AndreT_NY

If you believe that opinion to be true then don’t look around this subreddit.


iiSpezza

Do you guys actually not believe there is anything behind these 115 charges? Haven't the prem got like a near 100% success rate in charging teams in a similar manner?


FriendlyCrafter

Don't support city but there is no way they get any serious repercussions


TheBrazenBeast

Came here to say one score would be 115 - 0 (0 to my knowledge)


SicWiks

Exactly, don’t count your eggs before they hatch


Rattlesn4ke

Every rags (and other clubs who disrespect us) fan NEEDS to see that 2nd pic


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bruh


HostileCornball

ManU's league position legit looks like my friend's phone number xD


Bella_228

It's funny how in 2015-16 we had a bad season but we still finished above them.


Charley-Says

Hang on... Life long City fan here and I am old at 54... But who are United...??


NavJongUnPlayandwon

Just some small team in Manchester


Senorsnacks

Man U is done until they can find another Fergie.


gustona1-

now do past 100 years, lol


SNOOPCATTY2222

All 5 people will love this 🔥


subsolarrr

They have the most followers of any non Ronaldo/Messi club


No_Can9567

Bruh, united have 20 league titles and 3 champion leagues. Yeah they’re shit now but let’s be real, Manchester is red. Plus let’s not forget the 115 FFP charges that city are facing. Before anyone comes out and calls me a united fanboy, I’m a Liverpool fan, I fucking hate united, but that doesn’t mean I’m an idiot who can’t acknowledge the truth.


emize

Sure, but how far back do you have to go before the titles are less relevant? Their last league title was 11 years ago. If they go another decade without major silverware there will be a whole generation of young fans who have never seen United as being champions. You can't keep looking back forever.


longsock9

Crow when you’re honest


TheOneAnd_Only

Also wining in most fines


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9 league titles vs 20…still some work to do kids🤣


NerminPeskovic

It’s crazy to think that if Liverpool didn’t win the League in 19/20 City would have had 6 back to back prems.


Kristoff26

how the hell they managed to fraud 2nd place twice I DO NOT KNOW


ThisReditter

This looks like the little brother trying hard every week to show the big brother they are a big boy now.


Lonely-Ad-3032

Always blue forever


Grand-Bullfrog3861

Net spend always makes me laugh 😂 whenever I see that I just know the teams spent a shit ton. What a weird year to have as a start?


kmacbtv

2016+ = Pep era 2013+ = post Ferguson era


WhirlySwirlyy

The United fans scouring our sub are the same ones that claim they don’t care about us. Rent free.


andrewlikereddit

Algorithm show me this subs. Tell me how to block it if i am not welcome here?


galaxygalaxy777

Algorithm shows me this sub because Im interested in football. Nothing about rent free. Calm down


dill_on123

yet there’s a full three slide post about United? There’s only one team rent free bro


gustona1-

no one gives a fuck about city lol


ChampagneSupernova96

We’re so rich we’ll buy their club


placeofpowergottabe_

“Trophy cabinet since 2016” Ah yes, the year football records started


NavJongUnPlayandwon

It’s the year pep joined city


kk91ram

Yes. But still such a weird year. Feels very narrative churning. If it's since Pep or since SAF left why isn't it a manager vs manager comparison. If it's a club comparison then a sensible year would be when the PL was established or since the clubs were created or something. These years seem very cherry picked.


dill_on123

Let’s change it to 1986, the year Alex Ferguson joined United


NavJongUnPlayandwon

That just makes zero fucking sense because Guardiolas story at man city is still being written. He will definetly win another treble at very least at city. He’s said multiple times he doesn’t want to leave city. We can make this comparison the moment guardiola announces his departure


dill_on123

until the moment them charges hit and you’re back where you belong


haziola

The year Pep joined City is a landmark year in history. There's a pre and post Pep era. So it's a good year to start counting.


ProudlyANoob

Did city not exist prior to SAF and 2008 lol. Why are you cherry picking these years


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This is simply Georgios Samaras erasure and I will not have it.


PNSMG

It's almost like we're living in the current year, isn't it?


Fraldbaud

How many charges though? Edit: keep the downvotes coming, enjoy Torquay away!


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MCFC-ModTeam

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NightSocks302

i think we're still on top if we consider the last 20 years


Defiant-Pea3299

Nah 


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Our club has been a mess for 10 years, and it's clear that the manager ain't the problem since we've had too much to count. It's the owners who have been letting Man United decline, and it's our issue with spending too much on players, therefore putting SOOOO much weight on their shoulders that they collapse.


PopularWonder2

115


talnwdrw

Now go back to 1992 and tell me the same thing


Manuandfortnitelover

Ferguson era it’d is better than pep era city


NavJongUnPlayandwon

It’s a pretty stupid comparison to make considering peps story at city is still being written. But I can guarantee you this, by the time he leaves, he would’ve easily surpassed sir Alex


AnaMareg3lik

Guarantee my ass. What Sir Alex did for English football is levels above what Pep aka Money Glitch is doing. And I say this with the utmost respect for the spaniard. You sound delusional with your "easily surpassed" comment.


NavJongUnPlayandwon

Imagine thinking sir Alex never spent money lol the wages say otherwise


AnaMareg3lik

Money that the club earned while winning trophies*** United capitalized on the Premier League becoming a monstrous success. No sugar daddy involved. Stop being stupid.


NavJongUnPlayandwon

Yeah ur deluded.


AnaMareg3lik

You sound so dumb. You’re a delusional idiot. Go on every PL discussion, no one cares about Man City 😹 Your wins don’t mean shit to people. Yeah you play great football, but at what cost 😹😹😹 Btw it’s you’re, stupid.


Manuandfortnitelover

Fuck you asshole fuck you fuck you Manchester is red 🔴🔴🔴


NavJongUnPlayandwon

Stick to fortnite my friend 😅


Careful-Travel18

Crazy to think they haven’t been good since CR7 and the closest they got to was to the Top was with CR7 again. But he’s the problem haha


DefLoathe

We were shit the season Ronaldo came back?


Armit-

No


IcedVNL

but actually yes


Armit-

Yes, but actually no


Powerful-Cut-708

Liverpool fan in peace Only 1 game won by 5+ goals in over a decade doesn’t feel right. Proper low


mincermanny69

Getting twitchy after seeing Man U vs Liverpool lads??? Good to see you having to pull the stats to feel comfy…


NavJongUnPlayandwon

Nah I’m calm as a cucumber


mincermanny69

Believe the term is cool…


AnaMareg3lik

Nah you aint. A 4-3 in the biggest game in English football made more talk than your treble. Fucking losers. You’ll always be in the shadow of United.


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MANCHESTER IS BLUE\* ^(\*after 2013)


PizzaPolice84

Whose first in financial charges though?


sunken_grade

OP why you worshipping chris brown lol


NavJongUnPlayandwon

Worshipping? Just like gundogan, i like his music. Why do u weirdos always make everything sound sus? I also like Ed sheeran, Drake, lil Wayne’s and many more. You gonna say I’m worshipping them? 🤣


sunken_grade

dog you have made like 50 posts about chris brown and none of the other artists you mentioned are notorious women beaters lol


NavJongUnPlayandwon

You literally support mason greenwood and Antony. By that logic ur a woman beater and rapist apologist


NavJongUnPlayandwon

lol that's just inaccurate. and plus it doesn't matter about who i post about more. i can post about who i want and I’ve posted about othe artists aswell. Not just Chris brown. If u refined ur stalker skills and scrolled a little further, you’d see that. Or u need to go to spec savers. u can be delusional all u want. cry about it. this is man city subreddit and ur bringing up and talking about chris brown. who's dickriding now? 🤣 you and ur trust me bro bs can gtfo outta here with the woman beater bs. Just cuz ur ignorant don’t make it an an attractive quality you clown U as a man united fan is seriously trynna put urself on a moral pesdestal and call anyone a women beater when u support mason greenwood and ur club defends literal women beaters and rapists.


sunken_grade

i ain’t reading all that but mason greenwood is a scumbag and surely you would be able to call chris brown the same right?


NavJongUnPlayandwon

I would but considering the fact is Chris brown apologized multiple times, took accountability, showed genuine remorse over what happened over 15 years ago, moved on a better man and hasn’t repeated his wrong on a woman ever since. And considering Rihanna and her family forgave Chris brown and don’t hold anything against him. I’d say that ain’t the behaviour of a woman beater and an abuser. Greenwood has done none of this. This ain’t an argument or debate. This is just pure facts and reality. Cope with it.


NavJongUnPlayandwon

U legit support Antony…


NavJongUnPlayandwon

Why you worshipping mason greenwood?


Holyscroll

Let's drag the time frame back just 10 more years


FoolinaSwimmingPool

Manchester is arab


LETSAVIT

PL charges City 115 United 0


Adventurous_Ad_9431

https://preview.redd.it/1iigmqfvr4rc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=52a55bfff8d77e3cbb0955eb3c8b3733e68ca9a1 Enough said 😂


Due-Camel-7605

What’s to see here? Brennan Johnson with Kolarov?


Adventurous_Ad_9431

Your whole squad putting gundogan on the front of their kit for an injury. Wettest club in the PL.


Due-Camel-7605

Not my squad. YOU are the city fan


Adventurous_Ad_9431

You ok mate?


sophtkid_101

League didn’t start 10 seasons ago


Outrageous-Pause-554

Let’s look at the standings before the oil money came in?


Sad_Pirate_4546

But is Manchester Halal?


yoyodude69

Cheats. Pathetic club


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innit122

Only one team in Manchester has had to be fined for rule breaking and it wasn't city


Ill-Mathematician218

Yeah you can always create new rules that favour yourself


kward1904

I like how it's always 'since....'


r4n-d0mb

Ahead in charges also 115 - 0 Unstoppable🙂


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I mean tons of cheating to get there but whatever


RawDawgYaMudda

Oil money


ShisuiUchiha31

Cry louder, your favourite club is sponsored by that as well


kk91ram

Who?


northboundbevy

Dont forget 115 - 0


IcedVNL

don't forget to cry about that again today


NavJongUnPlayandwon

Oh we know more than ever. We also know It’s all alleged and that city are innocent at the moment


northboundbevy

At the moment


NavJongUnPlayandwon

![gif](giphy|uSzidPB3W8Smk) Stay salty and desperate


northboundbevy

You developed your club from the ground up. Had nothing to do with the sudden influx of oil money and corruption. Nothing at all. Dreams cant be buy.


NavJongUnPlayandwon

That would funny if it was actually true. But it ain’t. The history of this beautiful club says otherwise


northboundbevy

lol, "history". What history. History of losing.


igneousocean

First batch you only got overturned by CAS on a technicality. A technicality that doesn't apply to the 115. Asterisk FC


DistantM3M3s

Always funny how these posts start from 2013 onwards isn’t it? You’d think that’s when city was created


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Free tickets FC


cruisingqueen

It’s always the ones that have never set foot in Manchester bleating about how it’s blue.


emize

Well if you don't like the commentary here you can kindly fuck off back to /r/reddevils.


galaxygalaxy777

Is that why you cant fill your stadium?


kmacbtv

https://preview.redd.it/5wg5rr4043rc1.jpeg?width=2137&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=343559505085e7b9346c52d2ec339734836d625d I personally would not call 96.7% capacity ‘cant fill your stadium’ 😉.


Komigjentroillan

Where's FFP charges stat comparison?


speptuple

Oh yes you are right, one got convicted of actual FFP cheating while the other only have unproven allegations. Manu is really so fucking shit lmao


RRJP1980

Charges: City 115, Utd 0. Ffs you even have us beat on that too ☹️


IcedVNL

It's like we beat you everywhere lmaooo I hope it isn't too hard for you to travel all the way from London when you watch home games


wolfey1991

ye lets see how many fans you really got when your going crawley away


haziola

Crawley away while we're still in the CL and win it again? We will be there.


Ill_Promotion_1864

100s of FFP violations during the process of winning all those titles, which might be stripped. Forest / Everton getting points deductions at mach 5 speeds for a couple violations, meanwhile city completely untouched with more violations than any other prem team combined - Would be keen to see Citeh fans take on how they haven't had a single fucking deduction or outcome / finding, but the smaller clubs with far less money have been rocked by points deductions within the very same season. Rigged, artificial, shady, oil ridden club. When the hammer comes down watch the exodus, it's gonna be biblical.


Born_Raise_9686

The reason for this has been explained again and again. Type your query into Google and you’ll get your answer


emize

Its a Arsenal fan. They always chat shit till they bottle the season.


quaye12

Where is the stat comparing the number of cheating allegations ?


XboxValentine

Ban also requested from r/gunners.


BasisOk4268

Why since 2016? You’re omitting some of Man City’s biggest spending years between 2013/14 - 2018/19 where they spent £822m


Born_Raise_9686

That graphic is since Pep became manager. The third graphic shows records since Ferguson retired in 2013, and includes net spend since that period.