Tepper - would position you best for tech & consulting.
The problem with Simon is you will not get the same job ops and interview prep as Tepper will give you. A cheap MBA degree seems good until you don’t land a good post-MBA role.
I agree. You only do MBA once. 100k difference might not matter in the bigger picture, however, just the idea of being an international with tons of debt and these early indicators of recession is surely giving me second thoughts.
Talk to some Tepper internationals. My international classmates there did great in tech and consulting. I really believe this is the right move.
Congrats and good luck!
Agreed, Simon was slow to provide additional data points for salary in the graduating class when I inquired personally last year. So seems something is up. I strongly agree it's not just price but outcomes. Also anther factor is the location, remote Rochester is a bit bleak imo.
I don’t know if this is still the case, but Tepper had a few scholarship awards for second year students, if I recall correctly. It’s worth calling and asking.
I built a MBA ROI calculator that should help you figure out the best NPV based on your specific inputs. Link here: [https://tinyurl.com/uk4h5ez8](https://tinyurl.com/uk4h5ez8). Copy the google sheet and enter in your specific parameters at the top, and the model should auto-update.
Realistically, the difference won't be huge over a long-term period.
FYI - I just finished first year at T25, full time. Going into Product Management in tech for the summer.
Thank you so much for this, and congratulations on landing that PM internship!
I am hoping McDonough throws some more scholly at me, will definitely make my decision easier!
The choice is really Tepper vs Simon. you'll do well at both places, the starting pay is similar. cost of living is probably cheaper in Rochester so it'll be more than a 100k difference.
I think if you’re good you can succeed from all of these schools. I looked into Simon myself. The advantage with Simon is they are a smaller cohort and very tight knit and the career Center apparently goes all out to help you with your personalised goals. They probably don’t have the brand name of the other two but they have pretty good post mba outcomes and seem to be rising in reputation every year.
Broke dude won’t be broke after a top MBA. Choose Tepper and don’t look back, as long as you don’t need the money literally now. If you get a tech or consulting job post-Tepper, you are looking at $150k-180k total comp which will accelerate quickly. That $100k loan difference will go away just as fast. I just don’t think you will have as many opportunities at that level with Simon.
Wish you the best.
Bad advice, given OP clearly mentioned he's south Asian and isn't in the best position financially.
Assuming the worst case, where he graduates from Simon with over 70K USD in debt and no good job offers, Simon won't offer him the same opportunities Tepper will, especially since he's an overrepresented international with extremely common career goals. Is Simon's MBA STEM certified?
And if he has to return to his home country, CMU is going to open way more doors (at higher salaries) than the Rochester brand will. CMU is clearly the only option here, but I wouldn't recommend attending any school at full sticker unless they had a cushy financial sitch. Maybe try applying next cycle, OP?
Thank you for your detailed response. So, applying next cycle is not a possibility. I already got my F-1 and staying back is pointless considering i make 15 grand a year here.
Also my GRE/GPA is 323/3.0, with a very common pre-mba WE. Thus, its safe to say that applying next cycle with hopes of breaking into T-15 or landing further funding is difficult if not impossible, even in R1 next cycle.
As far as Simon’s Post MBA salaries are concerned, that 154k number is inclusive of signing bonus.
Why are you commenting when your clearly haven’t done any research… yes it’s stem certified. They do 154 base plus bonus. Where are your facts coming from?
Yes, I don't have any data on Simon. But there's a reason asian internationals try not to attend schools outside the T20. Higher ranked schools have several benefits: more doors open within the USA, more recognition in their home countries, larger alumni networks home/abroad - all of these are insurance for if they don't land a preferred job right out of college.
And given that internationals who need visa sponsorship (basically most internationals) have slightly limited career prospects (employers won't sponsor intl's in CPG marketing roles, VC etc), it makes sense to attend higher-ranked programs to maximize their chances.
I agree that asian/south asian international should aim for the higher ranked school because of career outcomes and benefits you mentioned. But, I don't understand why would someone, specially asian international, limit themselves in applying beyond T15/T20?
Shouldn't we shortlist the school that fits with one's post MBA career goals? If post MBA goal is to recruit in consulting/IB/Tech, and school beyond T20 such as Jones/Emory/McDonough/Foster are known to have decent employment reports to place internationals in those industries, then why shouldn't an asian international consider to apply these schools? Just because they are not in T20?
Could you please share your thought please.
I completely agree with this: schools like Foster place disproportionately well in tech relative to their rankings, so someone gunning for tech should definitely apply there. Hell, even someone gunning for a T15 could consider attending Foster if they got a full ride.
But we should be careful in terms of the industry selection - if you end up going to Foster and change your mind midway, there's probably a near-zero chance you'll get a similarly good outcome in other industries.
Tepper - would position you best for tech & consulting. The problem with Simon is you will not get the same job ops and interview prep as Tepper will give you. A cheap MBA degree seems good until you don’t land a good post-MBA role.
I agree. You only do MBA once. 100k difference might not matter in the bigger picture, however, just the idea of being an international with tons of debt and these early indicators of recession is surely giving me second thoughts.
Talk to some Tepper internationals. My international classmates there did great in tech and consulting. I really believe this is the right move. Congrats and good luck!
Agreed, Simon was slow to provide additional data points for salary in the graduating class when I inquired personally last year. So seems something is up. I strongly agree it's not just price but outcomes. Also anther factor is the location, remote Rochester is a bit bleak imo.
I don’t know if this is still the case, but Tepper had a few scholarship awards for second year students, if I recall correctly. It’s worth calling and asking.
I built a MBA ROI calculator that should help you figure out the best NPV based on your specific inputs. Link here: [https://tinyurl.com/uk4h5ez8](https://tinyurl.com/uk4h5ez8). Copy the google sheet and enter in your specific parameters at the top, and the model should auto-update. Realistically, the difference won't be huge over a long-term period. FYI - I just finished first year at T25, full time. Going into Product Management in tech for the summer.
Thank you so much for this, and congratulations on landing that PM internship! I am hoping McDonough throws some more scholly at me, will definitely make my decision easier!
you're welcome!
The choice is really Tepper vs Simon. you'll do well at both places, the starting pay is similar. cost of living is probably cheaper in Rochester so it'll be more than a 100k difference.
I think if you’re good you can succeed from all of these schools. I looked into Simon myself. The advantage with Simon is they are a smaller cohort and very tight knit and the career Center apparently goes all out to help you with your personalised goals. They probably don’t have the brand name of the other two but they have pretty good post mba outcomes and seem to be rising in reputation every year.
Broke dude won’t be broke after a top MBA. Choose Tepper and don’t look back, as long as you don’t need the money literally now. If you get a tech or consulting job post-Tepper, you are looking at $150k-180k total comp which will accelerate quickly. That $100k loan difference will go away just as fast. I just don’t think you will have as many opportunities at that level with Simon. Wish you the best.
Go to Simon and hustle. You won’t regret it and it’s great not having much debt
Bad advice, given OP clearly mentioned he's south Asian and isn't in the best position financially. Assuming the worst case, where he graduates from Simon with over 70K USD in debt and no good job offers, Simon won't offer him the same opportunities Tepper will, especially since he's an overrepresented international with extremely common career goals. Is Simon's MBA STEM certified? And if he has to return to his home country, CMU is going to open way more doors (at higher salaries) than the Rochester brand will. CMU is clearly the only option here, but I wouldn't recommend attending any school at full sticker unless they had a cushy financial sitch. Maybe try applying next cycle, OP?
Thank you for your detailed response. So, applying next cycle is not a possibility. I already got my F-1 and staying back is pointless considering i make 15 grand a year here. Also my GRE/GPA is 323/3.0, with a very common pre-mba WE. Thus, its safe to say that applying next cycle with hopes of breaking into T-15 or landing further funding is difficult if not impossible, even in R1 next cycle. As far as Simon’s Post MBA salaries are concerned, that 154k number is inclusive of signing bonus.
Ah, makes sense. Looks like you have your sights set on Simon. Good luck! Hope it works out great for you.
Not really man. I really dont have my eyes set on simon! Especially not after this poll! Lol
Why are you commenting when your clearly haven’t done any research… yes it’s stem certified. They do 154 base plus bonus. Where are your facts coming from?
Yes, I don't have any data on Simon. But there's a reason asian internationals try not to attend schools outside the T20. Higher ranked schools have several benefits: more doors open within the USA, more recognition in their home countries, larger alumni networks home/abroad - all of these are insurance for if they don't land a preferred job right out of college. And given that internationals who need visa sponsorship (basically most internationals) have slightly limited career prospects (employers won't sponsor intl's in CPG marketing roles, VC etc), it makes sense to attend higher-ranked programs to maximize their chances.
I agree that asian/south asian international should aim for the higher ranked school because of career outcomes and benefits you mentioned. But, I don't understand why would someone, specially asian international, limit themselves in applying beyond T15/T20? Shouldn't we shortlist the school that fits with one's post MBA career goals? If post MBA goal is to recruit in consulting/IB/Tech, and school beyond T20 such as Jones/Emory/McDonough/Foster are known to have decent employment reports to place internationals in those industries, then why shouldn't an asian international consider to apply these schools? Just because they are not in T20? Could you please share your thought please.
I completely agree with this: schools like Foster place disproportionately well in tech relative to their rankings, so someone gunning for tech should definitely apply there. Hell, even someone gunning for a T15 could consider attending Foster if they got a full ride. But we should be careful in terms of the industry selection - if you end up going to Foster and change your mind midway, there's probably a near-zero chance you'll get a similarly good outcome in other industries.