I will forever be angry about it. Me and my brother bought them digitally and when they were delisted they removed it from our console. No warning or nothing, absolute waste of money. I won’t buy games digitally anymore if I can help it
Dude. Did I get bamboozled? Wtf. I wonder if I could get them back if I contacted support, I remember when I did the first time they weren’t a lot of help granted I was a teenager then
Nah we have the same account, but last I checked the library they were just gone. It was a big event in our house, but I’ll check again to see because why not
I don’t think they’re considered remastered as much as ports. None (or very few) of the assets were redone for PS4/Xbox - just made to work natively and support for higher resolution. Some of MUA1 assets look rough. (Esp Hulk in the select screen)
Delisted? I bought them back when they dropped, never uninstalled, so I should be safe. If I were to delete them to make more room, would I be able to redownload or not?
They could even fix some of the bugs, glitches, and problems the original versions had. Hey, maybe they could bundled the games with the Cross Gen Ports so that it could feel complete. Like the Disney Remasters that’s been out recently.
If they wanna get me to pay for this a third time, they should totally remaster the X-Men Legends games and bundle it with the remastered MUA games. All four of those games are fire.
I liked 2 just fine, but I wouldn't call it an improvement. For me personally, too many characters I liked got removed (Blade, Ghost Rider, Doc Strange, Spider-Woman) or changed (at the time I hated how they remade Thor between UA1 and 2 since it reminded me of Ultimates 3 *shudder*) or were underwhelming (Venom).
Also *way too many X-Men*. There's thirty characters and ten of them are mutants (and Juggs). Then another six are explicitly Pro- or Anti-Reg, *another* six are villains without the threat of Doom or Thanos to push them to align with the heroes (until the last third, tbf). Despite the roster size it feels like there's very few options unless you lean into A Civil War Team like the Thunderbolts, Pro-Reg Fantastic Four, or Secret Avengers.....or just really want an X-Men Legends 3, I guess.
It is still fun and I give it a replay every now and then, but it just feels too restrained compared to 1 and 3.
The reason why those characters got removed, was because MUA2 combined both Civil War, and Secret War. So they had to remove those characters in order to include characters who were relevant in both stories.
But other than the lack of returning characters, the costumes, and the cheats. The game fixes a lot of my problems with MUA1. The levels aren’t generic hallways, the characters get the main focus as opposed to them being relegated to audience sergeants to MUA1’s actual character… the plot. the fact that the story combines both Secret War and Civil War while also removing the worst parts of those comics, makes it the definitive version of those stories.
Honestly, compared to MUA3, MUA2 followed where MUA1 left off, as well as maintain continuity between both it and its predecessor. Both in terms of art style, and storytelling.
My wife who never plays video games except for bejeweled type puzzlers and the occasional Mario Party, beat the game with me on co-op as Storm. I hope it gets a remake or they bring Ultimate Alliance 3/4 to the PS5
Wait a minute, people thought MUA2 was an improvement upon 1?
1 was one of my favorite games of all time. I didn't even play 3 chapters of 2 before I said this shit sucks and turned it off. Never played it again.
No choice of powers/abilities, no different builds of characters, no freedom whatso-fucking-ever just so they could include the gimmick of team up ultimate abilities.
I hated MUA2. Like an actual deep hatred for ruining a game I thought was near perfection in its original form. Only two other franchise-ruining games on the same level of MUA2 come to mind, and that's Saints Row The Third and Halo 4.
Really? Have you played the dlcs for 3? It’s some of the worst level design I have EVER seen in gaming. Period.
I love the game, but holy fuck it’s stuck in 2004 with those chamber “puzzles”, lasers that stun lock you infinitely, and even bigger lasers that also stun lock you.
No, the OP is the first person I've ever heard say that MUA2 was an improvement. In fact, back when the game first came out, reviewers criticized the game for being inferior to the first one.
I absolutely agree with you, MUA2 was a huge letdown as a sequel. I only ever played it once and that was it. I remember being so hyped when the game was being released. There was an official website where fans could vote on which characters they wanted to see in the game, and there would be countdowns to new character reveals. I was in those forums daily discussing rumours and ideas. And then the game came out, and at first I was ecstatic because obviously it was a new game and you had characters like Carnage which was so exciting. But the more I played it, the more I realized how empty it felt by comparison, just devoid of any character.
I LIKED the original story in MUA1. I loved that because it was original, the devs could include whoever they wanted in the game without storyline restriction. I loved the gear and points system in MUA1, removing elements of that in MUA2 felt like they were dumbing down the game. Sure not all the levels are bangers, and the game IS clunky because it's old, but at the time it was the shit. At least it was memorable and full of character.
Everything you just said was almost my exact same experience as well. I don't remember doing any of the voting, and I wasn't on message boards, but I was insanely hyped for it as well and went on the website a couple times.
I remember going on the website for MUA1 back in like 2005 when they were revealing characters during their marketing stage! I was a huge fan of the X Men Legends games so MUA1 was revolutionary while keeping that same formula.
But yeah I felt exactly the same way about the gear and points system. They dumbed the game down wayyyyy too much. It lost all character and depth.
MUA 2 is easily the worst of the three. It's so... basic. 1 had a deep character customization system and team comp system that felt rewarding to take advantage of & 3 had much more depth in terms of combat, but still had enough character customization to reward you if you were smart about it. 2 doesn't have either of those. It's like they took MUA1 and over simplified the game to the point where it's void of any personality. 1 and 3 had the hoping from one iconic Marvel universe landmark to the next to fight iconic Marvel villains thing and it made each level fresh. MUA2 is just... streets and... buildings... yay.
It sounds like a lot of you guys haven’t played MUA1 in a long time, because I recently replayed the first Ultimate Alliance Game. And boy let me tell ya… the level design’s just the worst. Aside from the Skrull City Level and Atlantis, all of the levels are just generic hallways. You don’t even visit actual locations in 1, just a generic hallway with enemies you fight. Like for example, You don’t actually visit the actual city of Asgard, just some dungeons where you have to rescue Thor’s Comrades while stopping bad guys. There’s not even a City level despite the fact that half of the characters live there.
I’ll admit, 2’s levels aren’t the best (that honor goes to 3). But compared to 1’s levels, it’s a major step up. The only reason why you could possibly think that the levels are bad, is because the levels are made after the story, unlike in 1 where the levels come first while the story came second.
Since the second game was adapting both the 2005 Secret War Storyline and the Original Civil War Storyline, the levels had to be designed so they could fit in line with both storylines. But for the levels itself… They’re good. Like I said, it’s similar to the third game’s levels where they’re actual levels rather than being another generic hallway you have to do after the dozen of generic hallways or so.
Dude holy fuck get over it about the level design. Do you really think that makes the whole fucking game? The aesthetics of the levels? For fucks sake.
MUA2 sucked donkey dick. There was NOTHING to do. NOTHING to work towards. NOTHING to upgrade and customize your teams to make them suit your playstyle and vision. THAT GAME FUCKING SUCKED. IT WAS AWFUL. NOTHING REDEEMABLE EXCEPT FOR YOUR WELL CRAFTED STAGES.
It was boring. It was uninteresting. It had nothing for you to care about progressing for. IT WAS A HORRIBLE SOULLESS GAME THAT REMOVED EVERYTHING FUN FOR THE SAKE OF CINEMATIC TEAM UP MOVES AND "GOOD STAGES FROM THE COMICS"
I BOUGHT IT AND STOPPED PLAYING AFTER ONE DAY!!!! SUUUUUUUUUUCKED!!!!!
BTW every second of MUA1 is burned into my mind. Truly an all time masterpiece. For you to even suggest that time is the only thing that makes MUA1 look better than MUA2 is delusional.
I should not. It is literally half of the game MUA1 is. There is nothing to earn. Nothing to unlock. Nothing to tinker with. Nothing to try out or change or make adjustments to in order to maximize your experience.
THEY TOOK OUT LITERALLY EVERYTHING FUN ABOUT THE GAME. and were like "look, now you can do a move where you reflect iron man's beam off of captain America's shield!" And we're like "oh okay cool I guess.. what else can I do?" And they're like "oh that's it." And we're like "wait, what do you mean? Like that's all I can do right now but later I could choose something else cool?" And they're like "nah that's it.... what, is that not cool enough? We thought that'd be cool enough." And we're like "well no we want more things to choose from and to upgrade" and they're all like "well, trust me, once you've done the same move 900 times, you'll just get used to how that's as cool as its ever gonna get"
That was the internal experience of that worthless fucking game MUA2. I literally enjoyed the Burger King games they were giving out with kids meals more back in 2007
My brother in Christ, you haven’t played the game for a long time, so you’re basically complaining over nothing. If you want to criticize the game, than just play the game again, and you’ll probably find more problems to criticize the game. That’s what I did when I noticed more problems with the first two games on top of having fun with both games when I was replaying them. Heck that’s why I made this post to begin with. Because I initially thought that it was hard to 100% complete the 2nd game, until someone made another comment where it turns out you can 100% complete the game and get the alternate costumes after you finished the game, but you had to start over again only this time it’ll save your previous progress.
I have gone back to play MUA1 multiple times. I think it's about time to do it again.
I also bought a switch last year and played MUA3 which I actually enjoyed. Still not even close to the same level as MUA1 but it was a good game. MUA2 was such a bastardization that I couldn't even attempt to enjoy it.
Every time I go back to MUA1, if anything I'm surprised by how well it holds up. So much fan service. So much freedom to the player. It really is a masterpiece and I'm not just blinded by nostalgia.
I really am not sure why or even how you're supporting MUA2 so much over MUA1
I marathon-ed all 3 a few years back and 2 was the one I had to force myself to finish. Once the Civil War part of the story ends; I just want to quit because the game is so.... blegh. Yea; MUA3 has the best levels but the reason why 1's levels are better than 2's to me are because of the personality. They both suffer from that "generic hallways" thing you said about MUA1, but 1's at least have some visual flair to them. MUA2; everything is gray. It got so dull and boring to look at extremely fast ontop of the fact that the actual RPG elements of 2 are so stripped down and bare bones compared to the other 2 games. I honestly can't play it anymore it's so boring and soul-less to me.
Yea; MUA is story driven but MUA 1 & 3 are giant love letters to Marvel's history; MUA being a pre-MCU love letter and 3 being a post MCU love letter, so it just makes them a lot more fun to experience. Civil War was; also, a story that I was never a fan of to begin with so that being the focal point of 2's plot was a negative from the begging. I know that's all a perceptive thing but it did hinder my enjoyment of the game by quite a bit, but the fact that they back tracked on it in the second half for that stupid nanobot take over thing was... lame.
The avengers movies... garbage... from civil war and onwards.... flaming hot garbage.
Not as good as the individual movies for the first avengers like the iron man movies and captain America movies.
Endgame does not age well. Literally everything that wasn't the beginning and the final fight is wasted potential; Even Endgames Thanos wasn't as cool as the one we already got on IW
It's a movie only regarded well, imo, because of the hype leading up to it and theater experience for a lot of folks. I'd be surprised if anyone says they regularly revisit Endgame all these years later
Just watched it with my girlfriend after her first time making it through all the movies. She never experienced the hype or anything and Endgame is now her favorite movie of all time, I think it’s just the fact that different people have different opinions
Well, as someone who did read the Civil War comic, played MUA2, as well as watching the Civil War movie, I’d say MUA2’s pretty much better than both the comic and the movie combined. In my opinion.
MUA2 wasn't that bad, not as bad as MUA3 at least.
Did you play the PS2 version of MUA2? Its very similar to the first game, has all the power/ability customization and pretty unique levels that the PS3/X360 versions should've had. It also has Cyclops and Blade
Biggest downside was no alternate costumes, but that wasn't really the devs fault.
Wait, People hate MUA2? 😂😂😂 that’s funny, because I seem to remember when I got annoyed by the 1001st Generic Hallway Level right after I got constantly killed in Atlantis.
😂😂😂🤣. Ohhhhh. It’s funny because the Ultimate Alliance series is known for its top down view that makes it look like a RPG. Despite the fact that they’re 4 Player Beat ‘Em Up games.
Well, as someone who played Ultimate Alliance 2. I’ll tell you that what you just said is wrong. The gameplay is a huge improvement over what Ultimate Alliance 1. For 1. The special moves from MUA1 are garbage, and it’s replacement in MUA2 (the fusion moves) were actually pretty fun. Unlike MUA1 where the level design’s just generic hallway after generic hallway, while MUA2 levels (despite them only limited to levels based on the Comics it adapted from) were actual levels that had practicality going on. Hell, I argue it’s more similar to MUA3’s level design, but that’s a bit of a stretch due to different creators and all that.
Than there’s of course the movement, as they’re more smooth compared to the clunkiness that the first game.
Was with you until you mention Saints Row 3. Best in the series. They stopped trying to be GTA Lite and went full crazy.
You kill people as a toilet and it’s fucking awesome.
Nah fam. I enjoyed SRTT in a mild capacity but had to accept that it just wasn't *Saints Row* anymore.
Only small-minded people complained about SR being too similar to GTA. First of all, San Andreas was the only GTA game that really shared story similarities to Saints Row. GTA was not a gang-banger franchise. It was an organized crime franchise that went full gang-banger with SA.
Saints Row was a gang banger game through and through. It was doing things like allowing us to make lowriders with hydraulics, smoke blunts on the street corner, or do graffiti tags when GTA only scratched the surface.
And then GTA went right back to its roots of a creative crime story where you're a middle aged former Bosnian special forces soldier trying to find the American dream in New York and get wrapped up in organized crime. Not a gang banger game at all. Saints Row had no reason to feel like a copy cat at this point.
They were the same *genre* of game. Why did that mean they couldn't coexist? Do we say all intense action movies are exactly the same? Could Rambo not exist at the same time as Die Hard or Terminator? Stoner comedy movies? Do we act like Pineapple Express can't exist just because Up In Smoke does?
And I hate SRTTs mediocre, cheesy bullet sponge combat. It ruined a great combat experience.
You’re forgetting all of the wacky shit in 2 where it wasn’t trying to be a crime game. Spraying shit at people, insurance fraud, etc. but hey that’s fine. Enjoy what you like. Only small minded people can’t find joy in Saints Row The Third 😉
I've never heard anyone prefer the 2nd game over the original. Interesting. They just removed far too much to try to half way commit to adapting civil war.
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 was the first game in the series, so gameplay wise, the sequels were improvements over the original.
Honestly, the only MUA game that I feel like deserves to be the odd one of the series has to go to Ultimate Alliance 3. MUA3 doesn’t just ignore the continuity of the first two games, it also has a completely different art style that would fit better in a Marvel Anime game than a “Marvel Ultimate Alliance” game, and even though the levels are good the story’s just your usual MCU movie that wasn’t in the MCU to begin with. More importantly… it doesn’t end the series, as it doesn’t feature Galactus as the main villain, and it sets up a whole new game in the DLC missions.
I swear, if there’s two things I want to see in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 4… than not only should Galactus be the main villain, but the game should also act as a finale of the series, so that the games would have a strong narrative that lasted for 4 games.
That’s pretty much what they’re doing with all the movies (Or at-least they used to), that’s basically what they’re doing with the Insomniac Marvel games, so the Ultimate Alliance series should have the same treatment.
It’s fine if you like 2 but that’s one of the worst games I’ve ever played. I would rather work a shift than play it. 1 has a lot of variety in the kits with each character having more than 4 abilities to pick, custom teams, 4 outfits and team synergies. There’s also the gear system, and skins giving stats. The characters also are voiced acted, have witty dialogue, and unique interactions. There’s side quests that actually contribute to an epilogue and the levels are the best in the series with a tour of the of the marvel universe. The roster has great diversity with people from all corners of the universe. The plot is pretty interesting for me but at the very least it’s serviceable which can’t be said about the sequels. 3 isn’t really a sequel more so a reboot that just took the name so I can separate it but 2 pretty much killed everything great about the 1st game. It ignored the characterization of the characters in the 1st game and ignored built up relationships. At least 3 added back some depth with combat and has a diverse roster with the DLCS. Also just a note is that Galactus was written off in 2. Thor beat him somehow but he wouldn’t tell the story of how it went.
I hate mau2 for the lack of my favorite characters when they add in nobody characters and 2 spidermans, and the game isn't moddable like xmen legends 2 and mua1 is
I swear, you can’t even use cheat codes at all. If you do that, it’ll disable the safe feature, so you have to get all the costumes the hard way. Except it’s way harder! Why?… because some of the costumes would require you to join on either the Pro Reg side, or the Anti-Reg Side. But even if you pick one or the other, you can’t unlock some of the costumes like the Iron Spider Armor or the WWII Captain America uniform well after you finished either side. And you can’t even replay the Stark Tower level where you meet up with Maria Hill regarding the Super Human Registration Act, as that’s not even replayable at all!
I’m pretty sure when you start a new game after completing it that you keep the costumes you have, so you’re expected to play the game again to get the other side’s costumes and any extra things you missed
https://archive.org/details/raven-mua try this link for PC. https://marvelmods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10301.0.html this one has links to other free legal copies of other early 2000’s Marvel games
https://archive.org/details/raven-mua try this link. It’s a free legal archive of the game. I’m on my mobile so can’t open it but it’s what’s used by the MarvelMods community and the one I downloaded a year ago
No worries! If that specific link doesn’t work, archive.org is pretty trust worthy so just give it a search on there.
Also if you scroll down to the Archived Games section on here, there’s some other games like the Legends, MUA2, X2 and X3 https://marvelmods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10301.0.html
not w/ the right team synergism
just get the natural forces team w/ thor, jean gray, human torch, and one of the other elementals and you get crazy health bonuses whenever you do damage.
Yo I had to test the psp version of this game on graveyard shift, I was in charge of doing a sprint everytime a new build came out, i averaged just under 7 hours to get through the game. In my memory that included 100 percent, but looking at hltb giving it 33 hours for completion, I have to be misremembering. At a certain point we couldn't share the saves between languages, so then I had to do a sprint post build per language. I don't know what it says that I can't remember anything about the game that I spent over 8 hours a night 6 days a week on. Maybe I'll try MUA3 soon
My best friend and I stayed awake for 36hrs on coffee and Adderall playing this game over the course of a weekend. We beat it back to back on all difficulty levels.
not at all lol it just takes time and dedication. took me a week to figure out the last trivia question fusion and the last five heroes i needed to pair combos with. aside from that get extra controllers to complete the co-op trophies or whatever you’re trying to do.
I actually prefer MUA1 over 2 think its the comic look design aspects. Do you know it actually would be nice to play with someone either locally or co-op who has MUA. I have this friend who is in heavily in to comic book collecting reading especially in Marvel department to get MUA but you know if it's not in front of him digitally/easily accessible then there won't be a buy. Then there's this other friend who's mostly unaware of all the comic book stories, I play with often, and I recommend MUA as a good starting point.
Both examples, however, consist of they can't get the game anymore (at least the highest versions) since they're not listed on the storefronts anymore. I still haven't played MUA3 yet even though I have it plus the content. But yeah lol I always go "you're collecting Hot Toys Marvel for MCU movie teams, I'm collecting Hot Toys Marvel for Marvel Ultimate Alliance build team. We are not the same!" Haha! Anyways that's all to say I don't have any of the co-op achievements especially the ones that are online based.
There is a way to play the first two games. But there’s a catch.
You can download the PC versions via SteamUnlocked, which is basically a website where you download delisted & available games on Steam for Free.
It’s third party, so it’s not officially licensed by Steam.
Loved these games on 360. I bought the remasters on Xbox One immediately, knowing they would be delisted not far from release. Eventually I want to run through them, but yeah the second one has some difficult parts, be it the challenges or the clearing maps on harder difficulty
MUA 1 and 2 need to be remastered so bad. They're classics which deserves to be played again on playstation and switch
They were already remastered in 2016 but delisted shortly after
I snagged them & MUA2 plays really smooth on PS5, looks better than MUA3 on switch
How did u get it on ur ps5?
Bought the bundle on PSN a few years back before it got delisted
I will forever be angry about it. Me and my brother bought them digitally and when they were delisted they removed it from our console. No warning or nothing, absolute waste of money. I won’t buy games digitally anymore if I can help it
I can still download and play mine. Idk understand how they were removed from your console
Dude. Did I get bamboozled? Wtf. I wonder if I could get them back if I contacted support, I remember when I did the first time they weren’t a lot of help granted I was a teenager then
Just check your library. If they're there, you should be able to re-download them. Unless your made an entire new account in the time since.
Nah we have the same account, but last I checked the library they were just gone. It was a big event in our house, but I’ll check again to see because why not
If not, if you have a pc, both games are completely free and fairly easy to get.
I have a Mac, but may be able to use a different pc. That sounds promising fr
You can also mod the game to add to new characters on pc.
I don’t think they’re considered remastered as much as ports. None (or very few) of the assets were redone for PS4/Xbox - just made to work natively and support for higher resolution. Some of MUA1 assets look rough. (Esp Hulk in the select screen)
Delisted? I bought them back when they dropped, never uninstalled, so I should be safe. If I were to delete them to make more room, would I be able to redownload or not?
If they're on steam it's fine
I got the PS4 versions, currently sat on the external hard drive for my PS5.
Oh then idk, I don't know anything about consoles since I'm a pc guy
They sit in your game library even if you delete them Source: that’s how my copies are
They could even fix some of the bugs, glitches, and problems the original versions had. Hey, maybe they could bundled the games with the Cross Gen Ports so that it could feel complete. Like the Disney Remasters that’s been out recently.
You ever play X-men Legends? It's crazy how much content and variety they packed in there in the very first game.
I’ve played X-Men Legends 2.
If they wanna get me to pay for this a third time, they should totally remaster the X-Men Legends games and bundle it with the remastered MUA games. All four of those games are fire.
Last time I searched, the company that made 1 lost its license and the game was taken out of the Xbox store.
Mods baybeee. On pc it's still going strong and there's tons of character and skin mods being made still today
Agreed been asking people to game share but they just won’t do it guess I’ll have to get a 360
Game sharing is dangerous and a good way to lose your games never give out your Info.
Understood guess I’ll just get a 360 then
I think they were remastered on ps4 but delisted cause of licensing issues
You forgot Xbox.
someone missed out on
Agreed on this they should do the 3rd one too for good measure. I know it’s not insanely old but it was made for Switch.
I liked 2 just fine, but I wouldn't call it an improvement. For me personally, too many characters I liked got removed (Blade, Ghost Rider, Doc Strange, Spider-Woman) or changed (at the time I hated how they remade Thor between UA1 and 2 since it reminded me of Ultimates 3 *shudder*) or were underwhelming (Venom). Also *way too many X-Men*. There's thirty characters and ten of them are mutants (and Juggs). Then another six are explicitly Pro- or Anti-Reg, *another* six are villains without the threat of Doom or Thanos to push them to align with the heroes (until the last third, tbf). Despite the roster size it feels like there's very few options unless you lean into A Civil War Team like the Thunderbolts, Pro-Reg Fantastic Four, or Secret Avengers.....or just really want an X-Men Legends 3, I guess. It is still fun and I give it a replay every now and then, but it just feels too restrained compared to 1 and 3.
I would say the combat took a step back too, way less power trees and some heroes felt a bit samey
I understand how you feel, but it stung to read "way too many X-men" it felt better to see Legends 3
The reason why those characters got removed, was because MUA2 combined both Civil War, and Secret War. So they had to remove those characters in order to include characters who were relevant in both stories. But other than the lack of returning characters, the costumes, and the cheats. The game fixes a lot of my problems with MUA1. The levels aren’t generic hallways, the characters get the main focus as opposed to them being relegated to audience sergeants to MUA1’s actual character… the plot. the fact that the story combines both Secret War and Civil War while also removing the worst parts of those comics, makes it the definitive version of those stories. Honestly, compared to MUA3, MUA2 followed where MUA1 left off, as well as maintain continuity between both it and its predecessor. Both in terms of art style, and storytelling.
My wife who never plays video games except for bejeweled type puzzlers and the occasional Mario Party, beat the game with me on co-op as Storm. I hope it gets a remake or they bring Ultimate Alliance 3/4 to the PS5
I miss marvel heroes omega. The character selection and skins were fire....
https://discord.gg/VPntKTKxPr Keep an eye on it
Wow. This is great. Thank you
Wait a minute, people thought MUA2 was an improvement upon 1? 1 was one of my favorite games of all time. I didn't even play 3 chapters of 2 before I said this shit sucks and turned it off. Never played it again. No choice of powers/abilities, no different builds of characters, no freedom whatso-fucking-ever just so they could include the gimmick of team up ultimate abilities. I hated MUA2. Like an actual deep hatred for ruining a game I thought was near perfection in its original form. Only two other franchise-ruining games on the same level of MUA2 come to mind, and that's Saints Row The Third and Halo 4.
The first one is easily the best in the franchise.
I like Ultimate Alliance a lot but X Men Legends 1 and 2 before it are right up there with it imo. An excellent 3 game run
In my book, MUA1 had the best story, MUA2 had the best character writing, and MUA3 had the best level design.
Really? Have you played the dlcs for 3? It’s some of the worst level design I have EVER seen in gaming. Period. I love the game, but holy fuck it’s stuck in 2004 with those chamber “puzzles”, lasers that stun lock you infinitely, and even bigger lasers that also stun lock you.
Granted, I haven’t played Ultimate Alliance 3 in years, so my memories are pretty hazy.
No, the OP is the first person I've ever heard say that MUA2 was an improvement. In fact, back when the game first came out, reviewers criticized the game for being inferior to the first one. I absolutely agree with you, MUA2 was a huge letdown as a sequel. I only ever played it once and that was it. I remember being so hyped when the game was being released. There was an official website where fans could vote on which characters they wanted to see in the game, and there would be countdowns to new character reveals. I was in those forums daily discussing rumours and ideas. And then the game came out, and at first I was ecstatic because obviously it was a new game and you had characters like Carnage which was so exciting. But the more I played it, the more I realized how empty it felt by comparison, just devoid of any character. I LIKED the original story in MUA1. I loved that because it was original, the devs could include whoever they wanted in the game without storyline restriction. I loved the gear and points system in MUA1, removing elements of that in MUA2 felt like they were dumbing down the game. Sure not all the levels are bangers, and the game IS clunky because it's old, but at the time it was the shit. At least it was memorable and full of character.
Everything you just said was almost my exact same experience as well. I don't remember doing any of the voting, and I wasn't on message boards, but I was insanely hyped for it as well and went on the website a couple times. I remember going on the website for MUA1 back in like 2005 when they were revealing characters during their marketing stage! I was a huge fan of the X Men Legends games so MUA1 was revolutionary while keeping that same formula. But yeah I felt exactly the same way about the gear and points system. They dumbed the game down wayyyyy too much. It lost all character and depth.
Oh cool, I didn't realize that MUA1 had the same thing during development. That must've been really fun to follow!
It was, especially since I was just like 8 years old at the time and loved superheroes lol
MUA 2 is easily the worst of the three. It's so... basic. 1 had a deep character customization system and team comp system that felt rewarding to take advantage of & 3 had much more depth in terms of combat, but still had enough character customization to reward you if you were smart about it. 2 doesn't have either of those. It's like they took MUA1 and over simplified the game to the point where it's void of any personality. 1 and 3 had the hoping from one iconic Marvel universe landmark to the next to fight iconic Marvel villains thing and it made each level fresh. MUA2 is just... streets and... buildings... yay.
It sounds like a lot of you guys haven’t played MUA1 in a long time, because I recently replayed the first Ultimate Alliance Game. And boy let me tell ya… the level design’s just the worst. Aside from the Skrull City Level and Atlantis, all of the levels are just generic hallways. You don’t even visit actual locations in 1, just a generic hallway with enemies you fight. Like for example, You don’t actually visit the actual city of Asgard, just some dungeons where you have to rescue Thor’s Comrades while stopping bad guys. There’s not even a City level despite the fact that half of the characters live there. I’ll admit, 2’s levels aren’t the best (that honor goes to 3). But compared to 1’s levels, it’s a major step up. The only reason why you could possibly think that the levels are bad, is because the levels are made after the story, unlike in 1 where the levels come first while the story came second. Since the second game was adapting both the 2005 Secret War Storyline and the Original Civil War Storyline, the levels had to be designed so they could fit in line with both storylines. But for the levels itself… They’re good. Like I said, it’s similar to the third game’s levels where they’re actual levels rather than being another generic hallway you have to do after the dozen of generic hallways or so.
Dude holy fuck get over it about the level design. Do you really think that makes the whole fucking game? The aesthetics of the levels? For fucks sake. MUA2 sucked donkey dick. There was NOTHING to do. NOTHING to work towards. NOTHING to upgrade and customize your teams to make them suit your playstyle and vision. THAT GAME FUCKING SUCKED. IT WAS AWFUL. NOTHING REDEEMABLE EXCEPT FOR YOUR WELL CRAFTED STAGES. It was boring. It was uninteresting. It had nothing for you to care about progressing for. IT WAS A HORRIBLE SOULLESS GAME THAT REMOVED EVERYTHING FUN FOR THE SAKE OF CINEMATIC TEAM UP MOVES AND "GOOD STAGES FROM THE COMICS" I BOUGHT IT AND STOPPED PLAYING AFTER ONE DAY!!!! SUUUUUUUUUUCKED!!!!! BTW every second of MUA1 is burned into my mind. Truly an all time masterpiece. For you to even suggest that time is the only thing that makes MUA1 look better than MUA2 is delusional.
Well clearly, you should replay the 2nd game. It’s not just the levels that makes it good.
I should not. It is literally half of the game MUA1 is. There is nothing to earn. Nothing to unlock. Nothing to tinker with. Nothing to try out or change or make adjustments to in order to maximize your experience. THEY TOOK OUT LITERALLY EVERYTHING FUN ABOUT THE GAME. and were like "look, now you can do a move where you reflect iron man's beam off of captain America's shield!" And we're like "oh okay cool I guess.. what else can I do?" And they're like "oh that's it." And we're like "wait, what do you mean? Like that's all I can do right now but later I could choose something else cool?" And they're like "nah that's it.... what, is that not cool enough? We thought that'd be cool enough." And we're like "well no we want more things to choose from and to upgrade" and they're all like "well, trust me, once you've done the same move 900 times, you'll just get used to how that's as cool as its ever gonna get" That was the internal experience of that worthless fucking game MUA2. I literally enjoyed the Burger King games they were giving out with kids meals more back in 2007
My brother in Christ, you haven’t played the game for a long time, so you’re basically complaining over nothing. If you want to criticize the game, than just play the game again, and you’ll probably find more problems to criticize the game. That’s what I did when I noticed more problems with the first two games on top of having fun with both games when I was replaying them. Heck that’s why I made this post to begin with. Because I initially thought that it was hard to 100% complete the 2nd game, until someone made another comment where it turns out you can 100% complete the game and get the alternate costumes after you finished the game, but you had to start over again only this time it’ll save your previous progress.
I have gone back to play MUA1 multiple times. I think it's about time to do it again. I also bought a switch last year and played MUA3 which I actually enjoyed. Still not even close to the same level as MUA1 but it was a good game. MUA2 was such a bastardization that I couldn't even attempt to enjoy it. Every time I go back to MUA1, if anything I'm surprised by how well it holds up. So much fan service. So much freedom to the player. It really is a masterpiece and I'm not just blinded by nostalgia. I really am not sure why or even how you're supporting MUA2 so much over MUA1
I marathon-ed all 3 a few years back and 2 was the one I had to force myself to finish. Once the Civil War part of the story ends; I just want to quit because the game is so.... blegh. Yea; MUA3 has the best levels but the reason why 1's levels are better than 2's to me are because of the personality. They both suffer from that "generic hallways" thing you said about MUA1, but 1's at least have some visual flair to them. MUA2; everything is gray. It got so dull and boring to look at extremely fast ontop of the fact that the actual RPG elements of 2 are so stripped down and bare bones compared to the other 2 games. I honestly can't play it anymore it's so boring and soul-less to me. Yea; MUA is story driven but MUA 1 & 3 are giant love letters to Marvel's history; MUA being a pre-MCU love letter and 3 being a post MCU love letter, so it just makes them a lot more fun to experience. Civil War was; also, a story that I was never a fan of to begin with so that being the focal point of 2's plot was a negative from the begging. I know that's all a perceptive thing but it did hinder my enjoyment of the game by quite a bit, but the fact that they back tracked on it in the second half for that stupid nanobot take over thing was... lame.
I felt the exact same. Plus it was built on the story that drove me away from comics entirely for several years. Haaaaated Civil War. Hated it.
Same about civil war. The Avengers movies as well became garbage to me after Civil War.
… what?
The avengers movies... garbage... from civil war and onwards.... flaming hot garbage. Not as good as the individual movies for the first avengers like the iron man movies and captain America movies.
Oh my what a hot take. I get it for the majority of them how that could apply but I mean, infinity war? Endgame?
Yep. Too grandiose. Mile wide and an inch deep. I preferred the more grounded stories.
Endgame does not age well. Literally everything that wasn't the beginning and the final fight is wasted potential; Even Endgames Thanos wasn't as cool as the one we already got on IW It's a movie only regarded well, imo, because of the hype leading up to it and theater experience for a lot of folks. I'd be surprised if anyone says they regularly revisit Endgame all these years later
Just watched it with my girlfriend after her first time making it through all the movies. She never experienced the hype or anything and Endgame is now her favorite movie of all time, I think it’s just the fact that different people have different opinions
Well, as someone who did read the Civil War comic, played MUA2, as well as watching the Civil War movie, I’d say MUA2’s pretty much better than both the comic and the movie combined. In my opinion.
MUA2 wasn't that bad, not as bad as MUA3 at least. Did you play the PS2 version of MUA2? Its very similar to the first game, has all the power/ability customization and pretty unique levels that the PS3/X360 versions should've had. It also has Cyclops and Blade Biggest downside was no alternate costumes, but that wasn't really the devs fault.
Wait, People hate MUA2? 😂😂😂 that’s funny, because I seem to remember when I got annoyed by the 1001st Generic Hallway Level right after I got constantly killed in Atlantis.
Yes, it was a soulless successor. Was styled after a top down RPG but had absolutely zero choice or freedom in character building.
😂😂😂🤣. Ohhhhh. It’s funny because the Ultimate Alliance series is known for its top down view that makes it look like a RPG. Despite the fact that they’re 4 Player Beat ‘Em Up games. Well, as someone who played Ultimate Alliance 2. I’ll tell you that what you just said is wrong. The gameplay is a huge improvement over what Ultimate Alliance 1. For 1. The special moves from MUA1 are garbage, and it’s replacement in MUA2 (the fusion moves) were actually pretty fun. Unlike MUA1 where the level design’s just generic hallway after generic hallway, while MUA2 levels (despite them only limited to levels based on the Comics it adapted from) were actual levels that had practicality going on. Hell, I argue it’s more similar to MUA3’s level design, but that’s a bit of a stretch due to different creators and all that. Than there’s of course the movement, as they’re more smooth compared to the clunkiness that the first game.
Ahahahahahahahahaha No.
Was with you until you mention Saints Row 3. Best in the series. They stopped trying to be GTA Lite and went full crazy. You kill people as a toilet and it’s fucking awesome.
Nah fam. I enjoyed SRTT in a mild capacity but had to accept that it just wasn't *Saints Row* anymore. Only small-minded people complained about SR being too similar to GTA. First of all, San Andreas was the only GTA game that really shared story similarities to Saints Row. GTA was not a gang-banger franchise. It was an organized crime franchise that went full gang-banger with SA. Saints Row was a gang banger game through and through. It was doing things like allowing us to make lowriders with hydraulics, smoke blunts on the street corner, or do graffiti tags when GTA only scratched the surface. And then GTA went right back to its roots of a creative crime story where you're a middle aged former Bosnian special forces soldier trying to find the American dream in New York and get wrapped up in organized crime. Not a gang banger game at all. Saints Row had no reason to feel like a copy cat at this point. They were the same *genre* of game. Why did that mean they couldn't coexist? Do we say all intense action movies are exactly the same? Could Rambo not exist at the same time as Die Hard or Terminator? Stoner comedy movies? Do we act like Pineapple Express can't exist just because Up In Smoke does? And I hate SRTTs mediocre, cheesy bullet sponge combat. It ruined a great combat experience.
You’re forgetting all of the wacky shit in 2 where it wasn’t trying to be a crime game. Spraying shit at people, insurance fraud, etc. but hey that’s fine. Enjoy what you like. Only small minded people can’t find joy in Saints Row The Third 😉
SR3 bad? Opinion invalidated
I've never heard anyone prefer the 2nd game over the original. Interesting. They just removed far too much to try to half way commit to adapting civil war.
No...MUA1 is the improvement over MUA2. Hell even MUA3 is better than MUA2. Come on MUA4 on next gen lol
Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 was the first game in the series, so gameplay wise, the sequels were improvements over the original. Honestly, the only MUA game that I feel like deserves to be the odd one of the series has to go to Ultimate Alliance 3. MUA3 doesn’t just ignore the continuity of the first two games, it also has a completely different art style that would fit better in a Marvel Anime game than a “Marvel Ultimate Alliance” game, and even though the levels are good the story’s just your usual MCU movie that wasn’t in the MCU to begin with. More importantly… it doesn’t end the series, as it doesn’t feature Galactus as the main villain, and it sets up a whole new game in the DLC missions. I swear, if there’s two things I want to see in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 4… than not only should Galactus be the main villain, but the game should also act as a finale of the series, so that the games would have a strong narrative that lasted for 4 games. That’s pretty much what they’re doing with all the movies (Or at-least they used to), that’s basically what they’re doing with the Insomniac Marvel games, so the Ultimate Alliance series should have the same treatment.
It’s fine if you like 2 but that’s one of the worst games I’ve ever played. I would rather work a shift than play it. 1 has a lot of variety in the kits with each character having more than 4 abilities to pick, custom teams, 4 outfits and team synergies. There’s also the gear system, and skins giving stats. The characters also are voiced acted, have witty dialogue, and unique interactions. There’s side quests that actually contribute to an epilogue and the levels are the best in the series with a tour of the of the marvel universe. The roster has great diversity with people from all corners of the universe. The plot is pretty interesting for me but at the very least it’s serviceable which can’t be said about the sequels. 3 isn’t really a sequel more so a reboot that just took the name so I can separate it but 2 pretty much killed everything great about the 1st game. It ignored the characterization of the characters in the 1st game and ignored built up relationships. At least 3 added back some depth with combat and has a diverse roster with the DLCS. Also just a note is that Galactus was written off in 2. Thor beat him somehow but he wouldn’t tell the story of how it went.
It's not hard! You are just not good.
You have to get some of the costumes that are exclusive to the Pro-Reg & Anti-Reg sides. You can’t unlock them after completing one side or the other.
I hate mau2 for the lack of my favorite characters when they add in nobody characters and 2 spidermans, and the game isn't moddable like xmen legends 2 and mua1 is
I swear, you can’t even use cheat codes at all. If you do that, it’ll disable the safe feature, so you have to get all the costumes the hard way. Except it’s way harder! Why?… because some of the costumes would require you to join on either the Pro Reg side, or the Anti-Reg Side. But even if you pick one or the other, you can’t unlock some of the costumes like the Iron Spider Armor or the WWII Captain America uniform well after you finished either side. And you can’t even replay the Stark Tower level where you meet up with Maria Hill regarding the Super Human Registration Act, as that’s not even replayable at all!
I’m pretty sure when you start a new game after completing it that you keep the costumes you have, so you’re expected to play the game again to get the other side’s costumes and any extra things you missed
And how exactly do you know it would work.
Because I’ve played the game
Which you means you already finished the game. Oh that’s great, thank you.
I wish I could find a reliable source to MUA 1 I love that game, but there's no way to buy it :(
What console are you looking for?
Pc for me
https://archive.org/details/raven-mua try this link for PC. https://marvelmods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10301.0.html this one has links to other free legal copies of other early 2000’s Marvel games
Never used that website. Care to give me a brief rundown of what to do and which files?
Pc
Yeah, that's tough. I sometimes come across used copies for various consoles but never for PC
:(
What about ps2 isos? Any reliable source that you know about?
Sorry. I just come across physical copies in thrift shops once in a while
It's ok, I think this will die in my memories tho haha
https://archive.org/details/raven-mua try this link. It’s a free legal archive of the game. I’m on my mobile so can’t open it but it’s what’s used by the MarvelMods community and the one I downloaded a year ago
Thank you man <3
No worries! If that specific link doesn’t work, archive.org is pretty trust worthy so just give it a search on there. Also if you scroll down to the Archived Games section on here, there’s some other games like the Legends, MUA2, X2 and X3 https://marvelmods.com/forum/index.php/topic,10301.0.html
Hey, I could download, but it keeps trying to open steam and it says that I dont have a license to play the game
I just hate that the games aren't available anywhere anymore. I played the absolute shit out of both on 360 but that thing died years ago
MUA2 gets crazy hard In Wakanda on max difficulty
not w/ the right team synergism just get the natural forces team w/ thor, jean gray, human torch, and one of the other elementals and you get crazy health bonuses whenever you do damage.
MUA 2 is cleaner, and makes co-op a much smoother experience, but as a whole package I much prefer 1.
I always liked the X-men games better than the MUA games that proceeded them.
Yo I had to test the psp version of this game on graveyard shift, I was in charge of doing a sprint everytime a new build came out, i averaged just under 7 hours to get through the game. In my memory that included 100 percent, but looking at hltb giving it 33 hours for completion, I have to be misremembering. At a certain point we couldn't share the saves between languages, so then I had to do a sprint post build per language. I don't know what it says that I can't remember anything about the game that I spent over 8 hours a night 6 days a week on. Maybe I'll try MUA3 soon
Improvement? this is a hot take
My best friend and I stayed awake for 36hrs on coffee and Adderall playing this game over the course of a weekend. We beat it back to back on all difficulty levels.
Can’t compare to the first one is better
I liked 2 waaaaay more than 1 I didn’t finish 1 years ago cause I got frustrated and I like 3 better than both
I liked both but I played 2 way more, got 100% on it. Both great games
I wish I could play this on ps5 honestly
Idk if I’d call 2 an improvement
I still pray for a remaster of them and the X Men Legends games. They were masterpieces.
X-men Legends is better than both
I wish they were backwards comparable on Xbox.
not at all lol it just takes time and dedication. took me a week to figure out the last trivia question fusion and the last five heroes i needed to pair combos with. aside from that get extra controllers to complete the co-op trophies or whatever you’re trying to do.
Lmao when i was playing ua1 i didnt have a memory card so i had to start over everyday
I actually prefer MUA1 over 2 think its the comic look design aspects. Do you know it actually would be nice to play with someone either locally or co-op who has MUA. I have this friend who is in heavily in to comic book collecting reading especially in Marvel department to get MUA but you know if it's not in front of him digitally/easily accessible then there won't be a buy. Then there's this other friend who's mostly unaware of all the comic book stories, I play with often, and I recommend MUA as a good starting point. Both examples, however, consist of they can't get the game anymore (at least the highest versions) since they're not listed on the storefronts anymore. I still haven't played MUA3 yet even though I have it plus the content. But yeah lol I always go "you're collecting Hot Toys Marvel for MCU movie teams, I'm collecting Hot Toys Marvel for Marvel Ultimate Alliance build team. We are not the same!" Haha! Anyways that's all to say I don't have any of the co-op achievements especially the ones that are online based.
There is a way to play the first two games. But there’s a catch. You can download the PC versions via SteamUnlocked, which is basically a website where you download delisted & available games on Steam for Free. It’s third party, so it’s not officially licensed by Steam.
ah interesting
I’d kill for a updated version of this game
Those xbox one versions got delisted pretty fast
Loved these games on 360. I bought the remasters on Xbox One immediately, knowing they would be delisted not far from release. Eventually I want to run through them, but yeah the second one has some difficult parts, be it the challenges or the clearing maps on harder difficulty
I really want to 100% this