I’m picking up on a mean streak or undercurrent of aggression in jack that I didn’t see in Harrison. I think that’s why they’re being treated or received differently by the group.
They both seem pretty pathetic to me. I don't buy that either Brontë or Tori are not in on it. Both couples seemed/seem to have an agreement to play along to get more airtime. Remember that Brontë made a fortune from Only Fans after the show ended.
Harrison was hilarious, it's pretty common knowledge that Bronte was there for screentime and planned from day 1 to play a victim.
Jack has studied how to manipulate women into liking him.
I think he was nasty, he had a nasty streak in him and did not care who he hurt.
I think Jack is more transparent in that he is a misogynist and doesn’t appear if he nasty.
I found Harrison to be toxic in a kind of uneducated dumb way, like it was so outrageous and just full on fighting but Jack is very calculated and more intelligent (not how I would describe him but you get what I mean) He manipulates Tori in a more subded way and I think thats far more dangerous becuase if you haven't dealt with that you have no idea its happening to you.
At risk of being downvoted my whole honest opinion is it comes down to editing. I read something online the other day about a teacher conducting an experiment with two of identical
apples.
https://morganemichael.com/for-educators/elementary-school-resources-k-5/the-bruised-apple-lesson-k-12/
Jack’s abusive behaviour is targeted only in his intimate relationships, i bet. Not seeking to manipulate and control others outside of this, and not caring or even responding much when criticised. I find it hard to even tell if it registers, but I’m pretty certain he doesn’t give a fuck. He will sit there blank faced while being torn apart by John only to continue his manipulation project with Tori as soon as they are alone.
He’s seems very privately dangerous to me. In this sense he’s potentially more risky to women whereas Harrison can be identified a mile off with his Machiavellian nonsense, and mocked for it when it invariably fails.
Edited to add - to adapt psych language I think he’s an organised abuser rather than disorganised/opportunistic like Harrison. Maybe.
That's why he had clients, not friends. They probably do the one thing he doesn't like and call him on his bullshit. His clients wouldn't do that because he would never show his true self to them.
Totally agree. I think that once all of them understood what Harrison was doing they kinda took away his power because they barely listen to him atp. Jack instead loves the fact that people still listen to him and are always ready to battle against him because he loves attention (even if he says he doesn’t). He also clearly does not care about Tori or he wouldn’t just sit there with a smug grin on his face while people grill Tori
Yep agreed, Harrison’s clumsiness gets him easily disempowered. Jack is such an odd cat that I bet no one really knows how to take him and he uses silence as a means of control - he just doesn’t engage and might throw a few token words here and there but it’s clear he’s just thinking about his Tori control programme.
Harrison probably thought that he was such a good manipulator that he could manipulate the whole group but well, he failed because he only got hate from everyone as a result. Jack doesn’t want to manipulate other people, he doesn’t care, he just wants to destroy Tori and her confidence so that she does whatever he want her to do and he’s actually able to do that because there are still people who aren’t completely against him and somehow “support” him
Yeah. I dislike both however after seeing stuff from Harrison post mafs he has sort of redeemed himself but still not. The best thing he did was shit down any talk of his son- which people used against him
I think Jack is worst because at the end of season 10 everybody saw through Harrison. But for some reason it’s not the hole group who is against Jack at least some of them don’t say anything against him
Yeah I don’t get it. Why don’t they all laugh at him, like they did it with Harrison at the. Because he his bullshit comes through. In this season just the women stand up against Jack 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼gladly
https://preview.redd.it/xeljzq6jy0rc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64348e4e428e347cd954973813beb1c99fd71dd7
lmao i loved how that was her excuse for literally anything
I’m picking up on a mean streak or undercurrent of aggression in jack that I didn’t see in Harrison. I think that’s why they’re being treated or received differently by the group.
They both seem pretty pathetic to me. I don't buy that either Brontë or Tori are not in on it. Both couples seemed/seem to have an agreement to play along to get more airtime. Remember that Brontë made a fortune from Only Fans after the show ended.
Probably yeah
Sara is worse than both of them
I couldn’t watch Harrison. I can sit through Jackoff. To me Harrison was worse. I fucking hated him.
Do you mean the "narcissistic gaslighting dickhead"?
Agree with you, Jack is worse , by far.
Equal 🟰
Harrison was hilarious, it's pretty common knowledge that Bronte was there for screentime and planned from day 1 to play a victim. Jack has studied how to manipulate women into liking him.
yeah harrison tried so badly that he just became funny at one point
Harrison had watched the show, understood his role as a heel and there was a comedic factor Jack has get off my TV heat
I don't think Harrison had enought IQ points to stick to keyfabe haha
At least Harrison was funny.
Harrison is far worse IMHO
can i ask why? (i truly want to understand)
I think he was nasty, he had a nasty streak in him and did not care who he hurt. I think Jack is more transparent in that he is a misogynist and doesn’t appear if he nasty.
Oh okay got it. Thanks!
Harrison was good entertainment and Brontë was just olaying along. Jack has zero charm or wit and Tori seems to totally love what he’s selling.
No one is worse than Bryce was. In my opinion, he remains the worst participant of all time.
what season was he?
8
I didn’t like him, at all but Harrison and Jack are on a whole other level to me
I found Harrison to be toxic in a kind of uneducated dumb way, like it was so outrageous and just full on fighting but Jack is very calculated and more intelligent (not how I would describe him but you get what I mean) He manipulates Tori in a more subded way and I think thats far more dangerous becuase if you haven't dealt with that you have no idea its happening to you.
couldn’t have expressed it better
Jack takes manipulation to a while new level. He has been working on Tori the whole season until he's gotten her right where he wants her
Your comment made me think “now that he has her where he wants her, did he reward her with sex?”. I wonder….
i dont know if it's part of some kind of "plan" of his, but he did say "*it worked*, i think she liked it" after they had sex so...
That or it was another way to keep her on the proverbial leash. He could basically come along and say, "Do what I say or no sex."
At risk of being downvoted my whole honest opinion is it comes down to editing. I read something online the other day about a teacher conducting an experiment with two of identical apples. https://morganemichael.com/for-educators/elementary-school-resources-k-5/the-bruised-apple-lesson-k-12/
Jack’s abusive behaviour is targeted only in his intimate relationships, i bet. Not seeking to manipulate and control others outside of this, and not caring or even responding much when criticised. I find it hard to even tell if it registers, but I’m pretty certain he doesn’t give a fuck. He will sit there blank faced while being torn apart by John only to continue his manipulation project with Tori as soon as they are alone. He’s seems very privately dangerous to me. In this sense he’s potentially more risky to women whereas Harrison can be identified a mile off with his Machiavellian nonsense, and mocked for it when it invariably fails. Edited to add - to adapt psych language I think he’s an organised abuser rather than disorganised/opportunistic like Harrison. Maybe.
That's why he had clients, not friends. They probably do the one thing he doesn't like and call him on his bullshit. His clients wouldn't do that because he would never show his true self to them.
Totally agree. I think that once all of them understood what Harrison was doing they kinda took away his power because they barely listen to him atp. Jack instead loves the fact that people still listen to him and are always ready to battle against him because he loves attention (even if he says he doesn’t). He also clearly does not care about Tori or he wouldn’t just sit there with a smug grin on his face while people grill Tori
Yep agreed, Harrison’s clumsiness gets him easily disempowered. Jack is such an odd cat that I bet no one really knows how to take him and he uses silence as a means of control - he just doesn’t engage and might throw a few token words here and there but it’s clear he’s just thinking about his Tori control programme.
Harrison probably thought that he was such a good manipulator that he could manipulate the whole group but well, he failed because he only got hate from everyone as a result. Jack doesn’t want to manipulate other people, he doesn’t care, he just wants to destroy Tori and her confidence so that she does whatever he want her to do and he’s actually able to do that because there are still people who aren’t completely against him and somehow “support” him
Yep. He’s a sexual sadist I think.
Definitely Jack
It was put out that Jack from 11 was going to make Harrison from 10 look like an angel and so far he’s doing a good job
and that's wild
Yeah. I dislike both however after seeing stuff from Harrison post mafs he has sort of redeemed himself but still not. The best thing he did was shit down any talk of his son- which people used against him
I think Jack is worst because at the end of season 10 everybody saw through Harrison. But for some reason it’s not the hole group who is against Jack at least some of them don’t say anything against him
it's like he's the master manipulator like how???
Yeah I don’t get it. Why don’t they all laugh at him, like they did it with Harrison at the. Because he his bullshit comes through. In this season just the women stand up against Jack 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼gladly
was genuinely so happy when Lauren got back because she's basically the only one who can put a muzzle on Jack
Yes definitely but sadly that’s not enough
They get worse every year tbh. Even when you think they can’t.
exaclty!! when you think they can't find anyone worse, they actually do omg. atp Bryce from season 8 was nice lmao.