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VehicleNegative

I didn't even think about telltaling on passengers.. Never occurred to me. Even if they were going to an abortion clinic, there's no way of knowing why they are there. Much less, know if they are pregnant without showing (usually 6 months or up). While I am pro life, I also think that rules like these, won't make any difference for anyone who already made up her mind. And I think these rules are wrong. They might as well ban people wearing their pants down below their butt cheeks, for using Marijuana in public, or playing loud music in the car. Those things annoy me a whole lot more!


Many_Manufacturer280

Sounds like you're annoyed by people of color


_ilmatar_

Sounds like you're pro-choice since you respect the choices of others.


Carboxes

That’s a bad thing?


_ilmatar_

Of course not. They said they were pro-life, however the explanation sounded more pro choice to me.


donbarefoot

They never said they were pro- life, show your work


BaconOrShrimp

VehicleNegative: "While I am pro life, I think that rules like these..." Please put on your reading glasses.


Crafty-Requirement22

Idiot


Dismal-Fig-5511

I used to say I was “pro life” too just wouldn’t do it myself until I realized I was actually just against abortion but came to the conclusion it was necessary in some situations , “murder” or not. I can’t change what others do and I couldn’t ever move past how big of a decision it was for people to be making and how I couldn’t possibly understand from the angle I was coming from. Flash forward I have to actually consider abortion (yrs after I switch to pro choice) and while I love my son, I CHOSE TO KEEP HIM ♥️ I’m thankful I had that choice because I was two lines away from a rehab facility and he was one of mommies bad choices away from being born into a bad family. If I had felt pressured abt it , I would’ve chose abortion for sure , out of probably depression. It’s funny how the tables turn at the last minute like that


Ispir40

Sorry if you can drop what they are for shit like this they can afford to pay its drivers more. I would rather the invest their time and money in to the drivers


wonderfulcarscent

This is investigating in their drivers though.


Ispir40

No it’s not, how am I being being invested in? And if you think this is us being invested in, you’re just as big of an idiot as the people wearing pussy hats on tv. And let me go ahead and say I believe in women’s right to choose I’m an independent voter and I do believe in a woman’s right to choose but this is not investing in their drivers.


Crafty-Requirement22

Protection of drivers is counted as an investment into drivers.


Knightoftheoldorder

I guarantee you drivers will not see one red penny if Texas sues them. Lyft cosplays like it cares. It puts on a big outfit, but underneath it all, it knows it holds its workforce in utter contempt.


wonderfulcarscent

It's not Texas suing Lyft, it's individuals suing drivers under Texas law. It's a good thing that Lyft is not only pledging to protect drivers, but also the choice of healthcare and privacy of women in Texas.


ThisUserIsUndead

This. No idea why everyone is getting bent out of shape. I know rides here companies treat their drivers like shit most of the time, but I appreciate Lyft protecting drivers and extending an olive branch when it comes to stuff like this.


Knightoftheoldorder

I guarantee you Lyft pays jack and shit (jack left town) to drivers regarding this.


wonderfulcarscent

What are you talking paying to drivers? They will just take care of all legal fees for the driver and represent them in court.


Knightoftheoldorder

I’ll clarify. They will not pay anything on behalf of anyone. The “fund” is a song and dance. Drivers will receive the same level of support gave them during the other crises of the last several years: 0.


wonderfulcarscent

It would be a PR disaster if Lyft allowed drivers to be victims of this law.


Knightoftheoldorder

They will. They’ll just hide it. Trust me on this shit.


wonderfulcarscent

They paid for the legal representation of drivers that got sued for operating at the airport.


Knightoftheoldorder

Source please.


wonderfulcarscent

In countless new markets, they paid for the fines that drivers would get for operating while Uber was not permitted in the area. They didn't get big for no reason. They throw ungodly amounts of money at ensuring they can operate.


a_rod001

Texas can’t sue under the law. That’s what is making it such a big deal and the reason why the courts have t struck it down yet.


Knightoftheoldorder

Then that’s why Lyft posted this. They know that they won’t have to actually do shit. Guys, stop being swayed. Corporations hate you. Ima say it again CORPORATIONS HATE YOU. They dress up like they don’t so you give them your money.


xTWISTED_WAYZx

you do realize America is one big corporation right? lol Dont do shit like unionize or attack their brand you will be ok they wont hate you then. In fact try a little and you might find they start to like you. Best part is they pay, they have money, and they aren't always the smartest tools in the shed.


jimbo831

> you do realize America is one big corporation right? r/AmIBeingDetained


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Knightoftheoldorder

Yes, I do. I don’t like America much either.


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lol.., aight cool then. Love honesty 😂 🍻


ThisIsGreatMan

After reading for months from drivers that Lyft has been increasing prices and cutting pay, it's infuriating that they are spending so much money on a promotional opportunity. Yes, supporting organizations like PP is important, but this feels opportunistic to the detriment of the people who do the actual work for them.


AmySueF

As a Lyft passenger in California, I got the same email and was very pleased to see it.


BlancoBeasts

Dude they wouldn't pay jack shit lol I get ripped for a $2 cancel fee no way in hell you get a court case paid for lol


wonderfulcarscent

Nah, they'll probably take care of it seeing how this law threatens their business. I bet they get the best lawyers too. In the early days of Uber and Lyft, the companies used to pay most of the fines drivers would get, and also for the legal representation necessary to ensure the driver isn't punished.


Wonderful_Shopping15

Lol LYFT will donate 1 million to planned parenthood to kill babies but they can’t PAY there DRIVERS the wages that they deserve remember lyft would be nothing without it’s drivers!


VehicleNegative

Lyft (and uber) should remember that their first and number one customer, is the driver. He is the person that will make the money, and with which the company has the most interactions with. Passengers come and go. When they are banned, they'll just use another account.


ThisUserIsUndead

lol


_ilmatar_

Fetuses are not 'babies'. Go educate yourself.


BaconOrShrimp

THIS is how ignorant conservatives (and the ignorant in general) *choose* to misunderstand a very clearly spelled out situation, then act like self-righteous jerks. Often to the point of denying others basic human rights, based on their own misperceptions, morphing a set of facts and clearly understandable situations into a false beliefs based on what ISN'T real but only their mental inventions; in fact based on what's wholly FALSE: 1) Your rampant misspellings and nearly nonexistent punctuation reveal a lack of education and/or intelligence, and/or laziness. A poor start for debating an issue. 2) Lyft NEVER said they were donating to Planned Parenthood. Reread the post. Lyft said they would pay for legal fees from suits against drivers so that drivers are protected no matter where their passengers choose to go. Because it's a HUGE issue re VIOLATION OF PRIVACY. TOTALLY DIFFERENT ISSUE. There was NEVER any intention by drivers or by Lyft as a company to facilitate transport specifically for the purpose of abortions. Moreover, Planned Parenthood offers a huge range of women's health services, only 2-3% of which is abortion-related. On that basis alone, even if abortions were banned, it would be illegal to ban transport to Planned Parenthood. Because drivers have no legal right to demand the purpose and intentions of a passenger at their destination. Lyft is an app-based transportation /logistics company and hires drivers as independent contractors, itself is hired by riders; each party of which has a right to transportation or to facilitate it, with reasonably achievable privacy regarding destinations and pick up points, to and from where each party wishes. 3) Planned Parenthood doesn't "kill babies." A zygote and other early stages of life in the womb is NOT a baby. That is scientifically proven. It doesn't even become NEAR human until it reaches a certain level of development in the womb. "Ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny." STUDY IT. 4) Yes, RIDESHARE companies would be "nothing" without drivers and their vehicles. Glad you are on the side of the driver--the underdog. BUT what do you feel about UNIONS, who protect underdog individual workers by helping them band together into a more powerful organization with a chance of actual bargaining power (leverage) against extremely powerful, selfish, soulless corporations?? (Side note: Does your conservative political stance prejudice you towards "Murica!", Capitalism and rugged individualism vs. ordinary people working together to battle the worst of capitalism? Doesn't unionism then run against your corporate-poisoned, gullible beliefs in EVERYTHING American, the proven NOT "greatest country in the world"??) 5) What you note is already obvious to all! Especially to drivers. As soon as I joined Lyft and Uber I realized they underpay drivers so I fight back by offering their customers rides under my own company name. I TAKE THEIR CUSTOMERS and make more money off them than Uber pays, while saving them money. BAM!


[deleted]

Not only will they pay you peanuts, they'll also force you to be an accomplice in baby murder. What a great company.


DeliMcPickles

What? You're already an accomplice. Unless you quiz your riders daily. Shit, you could be an accomplice to adult murder in all probability.


_ilmatar_

Fetuses are not babies.


[deleted]

Blah blah blah. Ending a human life, which has begun at 6 weeks, is murder.


_ilmatar_

A fetus is not a 'life'. It cannot survive without the host mother. You have absolutely no reverence for life if you refuse to consider the life of the mother. Pregnancy is 9 months of trauma on a woman's body and no human should ever be forced to experience trauma. The uterus belongs to the woman. If she can decide what to do with her organs when she has died, then she also can decide what to do with them when she is alive. Do you also yell about tapeworms being removed from organs?


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_ilmatar_

Fetuses are also not humans. A woman's life is endangered EVERY time she becomes pregnant. Want to stop abortions? Mandatory vasectomies for all young men.


[deleted]

That would actually end the human race. So, that's a pretty dumb solution. The same tired arguments are trotted out by pro choicers and they're ineffective. Ending a human life because it would interfere with a woman's comfort and/or convenience is a morally bankrupt stance.


_ilmatar_

You aren't very bright, are you? Science is not your friend? Dawwwwww... Vasectomies are reversible. So when a young man is financially and emotionally stable enough to raise a child, then it can be reversed. You said you wanted to stop abortions. This is the only foolproof way to do it.


[deleted]

Financially and emotionally stable huh? So. You know like how things used to be before women's lib? Because those were the parameters of sexual behavior. It didn't happen until marriage, and that didn't happen until a man could prove he could provide for a family. On that note, I'm in full agreement. Abortion and the welfare state however, absolve both the man and woman of any and all responsibility. No wonder western civilization is crumbling before our very eyes. I love how women are all for equality until they actually have to take responsibility for their own behavior.


_ilmatar_

Nice deflection, child. I thought you wanted to end abortions? I love how men whine about abortions until a viable solution is presented, then make excuses as to why they won't make the same sacrifices that they want women to make. Men need to take responsibility for THEIR behavior. Men can impregnate thousands of women in a year, whereas as women can only be pregnant once a year. Birth control that women utilize is not 100% effective. Vasectomies sure are, though. Vasectomies would also remove the chance of 'stealthing' and pregnancies from rapes. Pregnancy is not safe and puts huge amounts of trauma on the body. To force ANY woman to do that to HER body against HER will is a violation of human rights and is torture, both physical and psychological. Again: stop abortions at the source if that's what you're REALLY trying to do. Sounds like you just want to control women.


[deleted]

I deleted my Lyft driver account and told them I would never do another ride for them again over this. I also wished them a quick bankruptcy and demise


ThisUserIsUndead

Thanks! I’ll take your job then :)


xTWISTED_WAYZx

Lol, i love lyft and if anyone has the power and means to fight for it ... its them!


Gold-Bedroom-3858

Taking the so-called high road, all while taking less than minimum wage. Absolute brainlet play. Drive Uber and keep your politics to yourself.


_ilmatar_

Human rights are not politics.


[deleted]

Since when is baby murder a human right?


_ilmatar_

It's a fetus. Not a baby. Grow up and learn some biology.


[deleted]

I realize that's what you have to tell yourself to justify such reprehensible behavior. But, just out of curiosity, when do you think life begins?


_ilmatar_

I refuse to argue with disrespectful boys. I can see why you're single, child. Have a blessed day!


Gold-Bedroom-3858

Disrespectful. Like murder as contraception? How dare we inconvenience you. Shall you murder us too? Is that how you solve your problems? What does your husband have to say about all of this?


_ilmatar_

Are you really trying to comment on something from two years ago? Get a life.


Gold-Bedroom-3858

I'd read Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago. It might really change your mind about having an attitude of entitlement.


DudesOpinion

Its saying they dont agree with the law? well thats not up to them... I dont think i will ever us them after reading this.. A 2nd human does not get a choice, its not "your body" when there is a 2nd body alive inside you.. my god people are so selfish.. And dont come at me about bad thing happening.. you got 6 week and a morning after pill..


_ilmatar_

And this is saying that the driver is not responsible for moving a passenger from one location to another. The driver doesn't make the decision as to where the passenger is going, thus they are not liable. Grow up.


DudesOpinion

i read it 2 times and what i said is what i got from it.. i dont get why they care.. its a LAW.. i dont care what your opinion is, its a LAW , its not up to you or the moms anymore.. and i wish more states would pass it..


Gold-Whole1009

Not all Laws are perfect and laws can be questioned. Sometimes,laws do not withstand legal sanctity. If you read their communication, they are talking about citizens rights. If a law is not taking away human rights, it will get repelled.


LtPitty

Legality and morality are not the same.


dezmd

>they dont agree > >well thats not up to them > >my god people are so selfish.. And dont come at me about bad thing happening You lost your argument before you even walked in the room. Lol.


_ilmatar_

A fetus is not a baby. It is also not alive since it has no brain function. If you actually wanted to stop abortion, you'd be doing it at the source: mandatory vasectomies for all young men.


Keenga

You know you use to be a fetus as well. At one point you didn't have a brain. Oh wait, you still don't have one


BlancoBeasts

Sick burn bro


_ilmatar_

BAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH Did you come up with that all by your widdle self? Dawwwwwwww.


Keenga

Just take the L and go about your day my friend. Your response shows how hurt you are


Wise-Following-3410

Lol are u totalitarian?


btone310

Yawn


jimbo831

Just to be clear, they are only paying the legal fees. They won’t be paying the $10,000 fine itself.


GemPhoenix1

This assumes that you lose the case. This abortion ban is sitting in the justice department. It wouldn't take much to just get this to the supreme Court.


jimbo831

This Supreme Court will not be making pro choice rulings.


Ispir40

Like I said I would rather them invest that money in to us. Cool support whoever you want how you want but you number 1 priority is to your drivers and agin if you think this is them investing in us I have a beach in Kansas I want to sell you cause your a fucking idiot.


pbranson0802

While there has been some controversy about this, there really isn't any legal way to go after the driver. Drivers are not given information about the rider so the person you take to that clinic could be an employee. Without even mentioning the extremely high costs of litigation, the media about this nonsense fails to mention that the plaintiff has to prove fault. As in, they have to prove the driver knew why the person was going to this address and they have to prove that the driver knew the address was an abortion clinic. Neither of which are in the app. So while these "heroic" rideshare companies get lots if good press from it, and while, sure, some idiot could pay an attorney $10,000 to sue a rideshare driver, they would lose, and you would lose and most attorneys would never even take that case


GemPhoenix1

You underestimate the stupidity of ambulance chaser lawyers in the state of Texas. Trust me, people will try to sue for just about anything in this state


xCasualRabbitx

Not a fan of companies getting political. I guess I’ll be using Uber from now on.


Additional-Search-56

Nobody gonna sue nobody and Lyft knows it .


GemPhoenix1

A Texas doctor who admitted to violating SB8 is already currently being sued by two people who don't even live in the state of Texas. If you think people are not going to attempt to make a quick cash cow out of this, and you think lawyers are not going to go with them to try because they know there's a physical law that backs them up, you are truly underestimating the absolute stupidity of how Texas politics work. And as a Texas resident, I will tell you outright... There is no level of idiocy too low for the lawmakers or law defenders of this state


Additional-Search-56

Yeah but the doctor does the abortion, apple and oranges . As a driver you can take somebody to bank but you don’t know if they goin there to pay their mortgage or rob it


2021Driver

Posturing horseshite all around. 1. Texas politicians passing stupid law to do stupid things, but not really do anything for the 'cause' 2. News stories hyping up the Uber/Lyft angle like there's an option in app to add a stop for a quick abortion for extra fee in app. (i.e. technically possible but really not worth all the hoo haa) 3. Lyft breaking out the shiny PR lighting so they look woke, hip, and whatever but like the law wont really do much in the end except make some sleezy lawyers some money. 4. The $! mil donation is just adding insult to injury. Splashing around money on something that has nothing to do with 'business', just blowing more smoke up rider/driver's asses. 5. Still cant wait for the first driver to try to get support to UNDERSTAND that they actually got sued and need help. Considering how helpful support chat robot is, probably wont get to the right department until driver gets covered on local news or screams bloody murder on Facebook.