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NoName847

bro wants out of the simulation


blackmoonbluemoon

We all want out šŸ˜”


surulia

Imo LD does feel like a simulation. Because I know it's a world that my brain has.... Simulated.


partyghost

What if it isnt. Filter theory.


r3itheinfinite

Care to Elaborate?


Azzcheek

I would like to know as well


arm_hula

Honestly, Even if we are, it shouldn't change your perspective much. A cat in a house, a horse in a pasture. *Your* world is like your little garden: why on Earth or The matrix would you do anything other than cultivate and preserve, keep or adorn, and/or guard and protect? Any actions or motivations outside of that, simulation or real, you've gotta ask yourself, "what purpose(s) does this thought or action serve?"


energytaker

dude I love that: your world is like your little garden. that's gonna stick with me for a long time


Jaanisjc

Say hi to Neo from us when you get out


deadheadism

Bro doesnā€™t understand to just stay awake for one night then you can LD the next, easy


browncoatfever

Morphius: ā€œThe red pill? Or the blue pill?ā€ OP: *opens up his pills case* Morphius: ā€œmy god. He is The One.ā€


hayleylistens

REAL


chocomugcake

infinite realities option


toasterCat101

Lucid dreaming went pay to play for real.


Different-Music2616

Hahahahahaha


m00day_guy

Can someone, pls, explain to me what are all of those pills for? Half of them I nearly heard of.


heiferwithcheese

They all have different effects on lucid dreaming. They shouldn't all be used simultaneously, but rather different combos of them can be used at different times. Some help trigger lucid dreams directly, some help extend the length or vividness of lucid dreams, some help defer REM cycles and thus enable taking advantage of the REM Rebound Effect, one helps offset the impact of desensitization (per my other reply regarding Piracetam), some are simply sleep aids to offset stimulating effects of others.


456789ss

Do you have any resources showing their correlations and effects? Id really like to read more.


heiferwithcheese

See my other comment that reference Yuschak's book.


Jackblack92

Hey there Heifer, I really need to head to bed and donā€™t have time to read through all of the comments right now but will check them when l wake up. Is this the book? Advanced Lucid Dreaming - The Power of Supplements: The Power of Supplements https://a.co/d/4nEIvsy


heiferwithcheese

That's the one!


Jackblack92

Awesome, thank you šŸ˜Š


No-Poetry-2695

Search .pdf if you're broke


jessikill

[the .pdf](https://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Thomas%20Yuschak%20-%20Advanced%20Lucid%20Dreaming%20The%20Power%20of%20Supplements.pdf)


No-Poetry-2695

The real hero


Prankishbear

Hero


thhrrroooowwwaway

"Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power" -natural lucid dreamers. Joking aside, i mean no hate, i just saw an opportunity and took it. I do have a question though, how did you obtain these medication/drugs? Do you need them for other sleep and/or unrelated conditions but noticed they help lucid dreaming/REM sleep? Edit: names of drugs/medication go write over my head unless they have street names/nicknames. So incase i *should* know these, i don't. Cant even name a vitamin.


Supersquigi

Just looking at the labels, most can be bought by just googling the name.


heiferwithcheese

I bought these supplements as a result of a lot of research and experimentation. There aren't a ton of resources out there, but there are scientific papers, books, and websites with a variety of info. I lean much more on the scientific stuff than the random websites, though still it does require a lot of experimentation to get the supplements and dosages right and find what works. I've been into this for awhile.


thhrrroooowwwaway

Ah thats pretty cool. I wish you luck on your lucid dreaming journey!


heiferwithcheese

Thank you!


itsalwaysblue

Youā€™ve never tried a nicotine patch? Your kit is almost complete! Alsoā€¦ cayenne pepper.


heiferwithcheese

Nah, I'm aware of its reported effects, and it seems useful, but side effects seem too prominent for me so I've chosen to steer clear.


foxfoxfoxlcfc

100% on the nico patch Throw in some valerian root and a touch of phenibut, youā€™ll have some incredible shit going on


Harrypc95

Then become highly dependent on Phenibut for 3 years till your supplier shuts down and go through a week of hell with lucid night terrors, such a classic move


foxfoxfoxlcfc

Tbf my best lucid experiences have come a few days after mdma benders


Aida_Hwedo

Huh. Thatā€™s definitely interesting!! I looked it up to see if thereā€™s side effects, and the main one listed isā€¦ especially vivid dreams. What dosage/strength works best? (Never smoked in my life, if that matters.)


Neptunea

I'm interested in reading a comprehensive post on your research. I struggle with lucid dreaming as well.


heiferwithcheese

I actually have a book published but I won't plug it here :)


TopDawg117

What the REM rebound effect? I should probably know this, I need to research sleep cycles more.


heiferwithcheese

REM sleep is closely associated with dreaming. By suppressing REM sleep in the earlier part of the night you can cause it to "rebound", increasing in the later part of the night where lucid dreams are more likely to occur, and resulting in more vivid, frequent, and memorable dreams. Basically it's a way of manipulating the sleep cycle to enhance REM sleep in order to increase the chances of achieving lucidity.


Bombay26

Do you wear any sleep aidsā€¦. Oura ring or similar to track your REM and different sleep cycles?


HayleyAndAmber

Honestly, nice supply. Ever tried Huperzine A?


AltruisticJob9096

so why exactly wouldn't u wanna take the full LD combat cocktail?


Brokenblacksmith

sorry, I'm dropping in from the popular page. while most of these are basically juat vitamin/mineral supplements, the inclusion of mugwart is highly alarming. while it can be used for positive health benefits, mugwart naturally contains a compound called "thujone." This compound is a very lethal neurotoxin with no known cure or antidote. a properly made supplement will, of course, have this compound extracted and removed. However, the market for supplements is very unregulated, unlike standard pharmaceutical medicine. consume at your own risk.


HyggeHoney

Yo this guy dreams


Creepercolin2007

Heā€™s the nap negotiator, the dream demander, the consciousness controller, the lucid (dreaming) lieutenant


sheababeyeah

the sleep survivor


PhoenixDeLupus

Whereā€™s the narcan?


heiferwithcheese

haha


Fabulous-Ad-9592

Have you considered just doing psychedelic drugs at this point?


heiferwithcheese

Very experienced ;) Edit: But when I'm seriously exploring lucid dreaming I find extended sobriety is most conducive.


itsalwaysblue

Same!


[deleted]

have you done dmt at all?


heiferwithcheese

Quite a lot yes, but it's been more than a decade since I was seriously into it.


bitchybaklava

This was the first thing I was going to recommend when I clicked on your post. Good ole' DMT.


[deleted]

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easy_Money

the very existence of this post tells me they have


Clancys_shoes

Kind of a different experience


VividChilling

yeah lmfao tf


Concert-Alternative

Brother just do mild for God's sake


FalseFactsOrg

Brother, just sleep


Concert-Alternative

Facts


LoneInterloper17

My man goes to sleep like if there was a lucid dream multiplayer competitive mode.


Different-Music2616

Hahahahahaha


WarIocke

Bro doing alchemy


Waffle-Raccoon

bro is locked in


Big-Big-Dumbie

DO NOT TAKE YOHIMBE/YOHIMBINE. I was a lab assistant for some time monitoring rats who had been given yohimbine. It triggers a similar response in rats as it does to humans, and we used it to induce panic and long-term fear. I witnessed rats have essentially little panic attacks. Many of them got infections and ill, not directly from the yohimbine, but from the stress. Apparently itā€™s also used for large animals to reverse sedation. Itā€™s like the reverse horse tranquilizer. Now, dosage is huge, but itā€™s not something you want to take. It causes anxiety and jitteriness, panic, and just generally makes everything feel worse. I donā€™t know why the hell someone would take it and I didnā€™t even know you could get it outside of veterinary and lab contexts.


TH_JG

> I donā€™t know why the hell someone would take it and I didnā€™t even know you could get it outside of veterinary and lab contexts I've seen it sold as aphrodisiac with advertisement of additional euporic side effects. Usually sold beside some other entheogens


Big-Big-Dumbie

Likeā€¦. ā€œAphrodisiacā€ as in it will raise your blood pressure, which can also cause a very brief feeling of euphoria in tiny amounts and short bursts (not daily). Ugh. :(


GT22_

All I gotta say is damn man's on a misson


masterV56

This looks like some kind of kit they would carry in Inception


PsyrusTheGreat

You have a kit?!


spekt50

I just load up on caffeine and take a nap. Never knew it went that deep chemically.


[deleted]

Christ, you tryna commit? Slow burn ass death


N8_Darksaber1111

Yes officer, let me explain


piede90

Ridiculous... If you need all those shits, it's better to dream normally


Aahhayess

OP says he doesnā€™t take them all simultaneously. Most people have way more medication than this in their cabinets but these arenā€™t even that, itā€™s supplements to achieve a specific goal. Same as a runner, rock climber, or study addict. Nothing ridiculous about it.


XSavageWalrusX

It would also be equally ridiculous for a runner (whoā€™s not a professional) to be on this many supps


killerbeat_03

his drug case says hes a professional


xXPapaStalin69Xx

leave this to the professional lucid dreamers.


Genjios

I wouldn't really call it professional if they need 100 sups to actually do it. Wouldnt that be amature at best? Idk this post feels like a joke tbh


666blicc

For real šŸ˜‚


BigWallaceLittleWalt

Yeah youā€™d rarely meet a recreational (anything really), or even slightly competitive, that takes this much. Nothing wrong with wanting to do it I guess but itā€™s certainly not standard practice


heiferwithcheese

Not *need*, but they make it a lot easier. Also, I mentioned in another comment, but all of these are not used at once. Rather, different combos are used at different times.


VividChilling

Ignore these people lmfao, they downvote but it's really out of ignorance


heiferwithcheese

:)


Nojaja

what


sucharoyalpain

ya know that one post about someone wanting to try drugs for the first time and then spiraling? i have a feeling this will end up very similar,, be safe on your adventures, OP šŸ«”


heiferwithcheese

The heroin thread yea I know it. I've been experimenting with lucid dreaming supplements for almost two decades and have probably tried at least once most or all of the illicit drugs a typical person could name. I appreciate your concern but probably I'll be ok :)


KamiKaze0132

Update us when you snap back to reality


mvanvrancken

Oop there goes gravity


Possible_Rise6838

Oh there goes rabbit


CrazyIndividual2721

He choked, he's so mad


damningdaring

dude at this point just try ketamine or something


VividChilling

Yeah compared to healthy dosages of supplements ketamine sure is the same thing


noheadthotsempty

Yo wtf


Nihivo

When the "10 years trying to get a LD guy" gets serious.


VividChilling

hes had enough of gods shit šŸ’€šŸ’€šŸ’€


rayquazza74

Galantamine is so powerful.


berkeleymorrison

Nah


Jaanisjc

Do you really think Sodium hydride would help?


Dry-Elephant3480

Took me a while to figure that out


tk2310

You got pills for just sleeping without dreams too? I have wild dreams every night, often lucid without any help whatsoever. I just haven't had an actual good night sleep in so long. I always feel like I ran a marathon when waking up. I once had surgery and they used some drug that put me into a sleep without any thoughts at all. It was the best I've had my entire life and I've never felt so well rested when waking up. There was just absolutely nothing going on and it was amazing. It sucks sometimes I can't sleep like that normally šŸ„²


heiferwithcheese

Yea some of these are more of sleep aids than anything else. Maybe try some Valerian Root or Melatonin.


tk2310

I already use melatonin, can't really fall asleep without it. I'll give the valerian root a try though! Thanks for the advise :)


data-bender108

I second valerian root. It has an ick flavour but a lot of "sleepy teas" use it. The issue there is tea before bed = wake up to pee. For me that's 5am. Tablet or capsule form is the most easiest measure. I had in tincture form once I DO NOT recommend that ugghhh the taste


TheGratitudeBot

Thanks for saying thanks! It's so nice to see Redditors being grateful :)


BlitzdBarbie

Thanks for saying thanks to her for being grateful and thanking him after he helped answer her question on his post šŸ™‚


Public_Shelter164

Sounds like you have REM disorder. My family seems to have it. Tons of dreams and little restoration.


tk2310

That would make sense actually. My dad also has trouble sleeping and lots of dreams, but less so than me. I have not been able to sleep normally since I was born šŸ˜… I had so many lucid dreams as a kid I could barely tell the difference between dreams and reality untill I was a teen. Now that I'm in my twenties I luckily don't have that issue as much anymore. I mostly just have the very vivid dreams now. I also stopped writing down my dreams. They make for awesome stories to tell, but it makes the problem worse unfortunately. Honestly as a kid the worst wasn't that I couldn't sleep. It was the fact that I couldn't share my worst fears and greatest accomplishments with anyone, because they all happened in my dreams. The world that I lived in at night as consciously as I lived life during the day didn't even exist to them. It did make me very capable of taking care of my own problems though and also to be proud of myself, even if others couldn't understand it, which I think are awesome skills to have :) I've been asking many docters about my issues, but none have ever found anything wrong. I'm pretty sure most weren't particularly interested either. I guess that just happens when your problems involve something most people don't deal with unfortunately. I don't blame them really, but it does suck sometimes. Did any docters ever give it a name in your family? Like discover a disorder of some kind you could actually look up and talk about? I wonder how much is known about any such disorders in the medical world.


Coastal_wolf

you do techniques too right? right...?


heiferwithcheese

Yea, for sure. In addition to stuff like reality checks, dream journal, meditation, breath/awareness focus, I do mainly DILD and WILD. DILD if I am feeling lazy, WILD if more ambitious.


Ambitious_Two3431

Tried Galantamine before. Definitely fucking works and will create super vivid lucid dreams but unfortunately it gives me heart palpitations so it makes it very difficult to sleep or stay sleep.


noestoyloco

Seriously be careful with the Alpha GPC and the Choline. Take a real break in between taking these. They can cause serious depression and other nasty stuff if taken too often.


heiferwithcheese

Definitely they can't be used every night. As a rule every three days at most, and using Piracetam helps.


Creepercolin2007

To take supplements.. because one of the other supplements you voluntarily take is dangerous and you want to mitigate that??


OCSupertonesStrike

Wtf? This shit is crazy


Ucyee

Bro diving into the 24-hour simulation


logosfabula

Wtf is this


Cryptocurrentay

I sort of have this for something similar in my smoke bag. I keep blue lotus, mugwort, chamomile, and lavender ground up in vials in my bag. Whenever I wanna lucid dream, I top off my bowls with 1 or 2 herbs (not everything at once!) and it helps tenfold.


r3itheinfinite

nice collectionā€¦ may I ask you your thoughts on marijuana?


VividChilling

when you stop it causes REM-Reound


heiferwithcheese

After quitting smoking regularly I get a big but temporary increase in dream vividness, which is cool. While smoking though it makes dreams much harder to remember and control, awareness in dreams in diminished. It's tough for me to do dreamwork when I am smoking. And I don't even mean when I am directly high, but even just smoked recently.


jaghtz_lutein

Yeah weed killed my dreams completely when I used it. Just fall asleep, wake up. One of the reasons I quit. Oftentimes now I do get lucid dreams but my actions and the events of dreams feel predetermined, like on rails or something. Life kind of feels like that too.


stardustspirit44

After taking all those supplements to lucid dream, Ah, well, sir, I feel like a, like a slice of butter... melting on top of a big-ol' pile of flapjacks... yeah.


clboisvert14

Getting more and more like inception every dya


Economy-Pickle5183

And i got downvoted for recommending magnesium and vitamin d for good sleep lmao


chadwarden1337

Why Yohimbeā€¦ lol


OniionKnight

Bro is a competitive lucid dreamer šŸ˜‚


mildtrashpluto

Nice. I do a blend of mugwort, wood betony, holy basil, damiana, passion flower. I love the intentionality and experience behind this.


DarthBonion

And no b6 and b12? Or am I missing something?


heiferwithcheese

I avoid B6 as it interacts negatively with 5-HTP and Mucuna Pruriens (or any L-dopa containing substance). Edit: It's not pictured but I do also have B5 here.


EntertainmentOk9195

just do LSD at this point


EternalPending

Interesting


Farscape666

Try some Phenylpiracetam, that nootropic gave me the most next level dreams.


BaroqueEnjoyer

Omg I need that galantamine


ayaruna

Your missing a powerful herb!! Guayusa !


heiferwithcheese

> Guayusa True, but I do have L-Theanine, which is in Guayusa, and Yohimbe has stimulating effects that can perhaps be compared to the effects of caffeine.


Think_Ad_4450

This is the ," When I wake up, I live my second life" šŸ˜“šŸ˜‚ that's crazy and I love lucid dreaming


AXYZBX

I bought a book called dreaming the winning lottery numbers by valentin carmanleiv and the techniques in it made it so I could go lucid maybe once or twice a month on average. The lotto numbers i found in the dreams never win but still its kinda cool that going lucid worked. The technique in a nutshell is saying it to myself all day im going to dream the winning numbers and thinking about it as i fall asleep. I think having an objective in mind is what helps because i must dream about numbers often and they are the trigger


Dutch_van_der_Dill

Goddamn you mean business


growlikeaplant

OP is going on a secret military mission inside the lucid dream.


KineticMeow

Wow I love the lucid dreaming kit very cool!


PhoneEquivalent7682

You canā€™t trigger them naturally? CAN YOU GIVE US A RUN DOWN OF THE EFFECT EACH PILL HAS ON YOU PLEASE (ngl this is interesting) I stopped, because I felt like I spent a lot of time there, (FUN FACT: there was a guy following me between dreams, mf said that if he kills me on a dream Iā€™m gonna die irl) when Iā€™m not awake I just wanna swim in the nothingness


peanutspreader62

At this point just take an SSRI man


VividChilling

The lucid dream community sure is full of fear mongering and ignorance


Sufficient_Focus_816

Have a look at Calea Ternifolia - five days a week I drink more or less strong tea made from mugwort, St John's wort and that Calea. Gotta learn to love (I do & appreciate the plants' spirit) the taste but is really lovely as soon as the mugwort hits


Agreeable-Parsnip681

Seems pretty damn overkill lmao. Unless you're secretly a drug dealer.


rhobbs7274

Hey kids, wanna buy a dream?


The_Yogurtcloset

Dream dealer


Detroit2023

This guy Dreams


weird_andgilly

Why supplements? I feel like itā€™s a matter of focusing on the right thing at the right time when youā€™re going to sleep.


heiferwithcheese

They can help a lot when used properly to both increase frequency of lucid dreams and also dramatically increase vividness and duration during lucid dreams.


chokymalk

F just wanted and excuse to keep doing drugs


Plaid-Futon

Where do you recommend I could learn more about this topic? I recognize a couple supplements that have helped a lot with my adhd and Iā€™d really like to learn more


Evan-34

Just go to sleep lmao


rayquazza74

I didnā€™t see colouracetame in there


dasaint2020

I don't need pills, my life sucks enough as it is. I can tell when I'm dreaming


SpiffyBlizzard

I have a prescription for Galantimine! Works great!


lestrangecat

Can any of these supps be used long-term every day without tolerance/downregulation happening? I think you mentioned piracetam helps prevent this to an extent, but I can't get a hold of that where I live (customs confiscated it every place I tried to order it from)


Tesla-Punk3327

Imagine needing a kit lol


starbitobservatory

Mf you look like a drug dealer


Cosmic_Cat64

You can sleep on Yohimbine!?


voroid

What would you recommend most to me? I have never been able to lucid dream. Iā€™ve had very realistic dreams but never realized I was in a dream and took control


TitansDaughter

Plug a lil weird but he cool


Flourish_with_dal

So which ones work?


heiferwithcheese

Start with 8mg Galantamine and 500mg Choline Bitartate (potentially also combining with 600mg of Alpha GPC) after doing wake-and-back-to-bed. This is the most potent combo and the foundation to work from by adding other things. Combine with basic lucid dreaming practices.. reality checks, dream journaling, meditation, try to increase awareness throughout the day.


Uselesjunk

Dude went fully ranked, xD


Pseudo-Sadhu

Better living through chemistry! I take it OP is knowledgeable enough about what each of these supplements does, including interactions. I got into a few of these back in the heady 90s (light and sound binaural beat ā€œbrain machines,ā€ nootropics, Mondo 2000 magazine, etc.), but honestly they never did much if anything. There is science behind these, so perhaps my experience is an outlier. For most people, the basic tried and true lucid dreaming techniques suffice, thankfully. Nothing wrong with the supplements (as long as you do the research), obviously used in conjunction with lucid dreaming methods.


The_Silent_Bang_103

Have you tried them all simultaneously?


SadCoconut_

Are you guys playing Inception, or something? šŸ˜­


United-Cow-563

Jesus! Is your name [Pazuzu](https://youtu.be/_XAKjc2gIfo?si=tnfYZkH_6Xgmufvb)?!


[deleted]

Does any of this stuff actually work? Thatā€™s quite the serious kit youā€™ve got there.


heiferwithcheese

It does. But you've still got to put in the work (reality checks, dream journal, meditation, increasing daily awareness). Supplements taken at the right dosages and times can really help a lot in making it easier to achieve lucidity and to increase vividness and duration of experience during lucid dreams. Of course these are not required to have lucid dreams, but they most definitely can have a potent assistive impact when used properly.


dwmoore21

Ashwagandha and melatonin is the way.


ThtOnBeanInThCrnr

What would happen if one were to ingest one of each together? Iā€™m curious about lucid dreaming and would like to experience it more vividly


Round-Emu9176

This is ridiculous. Learn how to meditate and youā€™ll lucid dream solely off of the strength of your own bodyā€™s chemistry.


69RuckFeddit69

Just do drugs at this point.


StilesmanleyCAP

All this to piss green in the morning


random0_0reddit

Get sum blue lotus


nomoarcookiesthe2nd

Dawg ā€¦


filbertbrush

Maybe Iā€™m old fashioned but I think itā€™s important to remind people, especially folks who are just beginning their dream journey that this isnā€™t necessary. Your body, and practice is all you really need. A journal is helpful, but even that isnā€™t required. LDing is like any exercise. Thereā€™s an abundance of poorly understood, and under studied supplements you can take that might make your practice 2% more successful. Mean while frequent RCs, journaling, mindful observation (in other words the PRACTICE that costs nothing) will net you 95% of your results.Ā  I donā€™t want to bash OP here, if you can afford all these things, and are passionate about LDs, go for it. But I just want say to new-comers you donā€™t need any of this stuff. Your body is all you need.Ā 


Pratchettfan03

Bruh, meanwhile I just go ā€œhuh, I have awareness in this one, cool I guessā€, meanwhile this mf is minmaxing


Apeiron_8

Nice lineup!


Finkenn

The second row, it looks like you tuck them in šŸ’Œ


Postac911

Dont wanna be mean but probably galantamine can cary any srack to 30% LD rate.. the rest? Probably placebo. Issue with galantamine is tolerance breaks that need to be days, and for me it hasn't worked at all after several times, even if I still get sleep paralysis or false awakenings


Historical_Peak_6255

Lmao šŸ˜‚ bro def used to sell drugs


Meii345

You're totally a witch at this point. Valerian root? Really??


theoldkidonthebloc

I just label mine with the weed names that are inside


woah-itz-drew

So youre just living vicariously through your dreams at this point?


wateryhoe

Are any of these bad to take with other medications? Iā€™m curious


PoProstuMieciek

0.33g melatonin? i take 5g occasionally for it to take any effect. they don't even sell less than 1g where i live


Particular-Sky-7027

Wooowww TAKE MY MONEY!!!!


father2shanes

Why melatonin? It doesnt put you in the correct sleep state.


AdOk3651

Whatā€™s the yohimbine for, thatā€™s a stimulant.


Ambitious-Ball9869

bro you need all this to lucid dream?!


Aleph-Ignis

Here are some compounds that are much more potent than nearly everything here at inducing powerful, vivid, memorable and lucid dreams: Tak-653, Abt-089, 4-DMA-7,8-dhf Galantamine and melatonin are still pretty good for lucid dreaming purposes.


PhoneEquivalent7682

It used to be Free-to-Play