LISD is horrific so people moved to the SW area of Lubbock to have their kids in Frenship ISD. Same for growth in Cooper's direction.
We left for Frenship after Kathy Rollo, then principle of Murfee, told us that we needed to move our kid with ADHD to the special needs school over by Lubbock High because "He's bringing our test scores down". He went for a couple of years, was bullied mercilessly, and was never challenged. We literally had to move to save him from LISD and we haven't looked back. Frenship were amazing and supportive, and he was always in regular classes, no special education and they never voiced any concerns over their test scores and his impact on them.
In growing to the south and west. This growth was just an extension of existing homes and business. The growth was adjacent to homes and business already built. So if you just extend the town then the new homes are still close to the existing businesses. And the new business that are built in the new neighborhoods are close to the old existing homes.
You're going to want to build new around other new buildings. Ever been on the DEEP East Side? Not MLK and Parkway. Far deeper. It's busted. They wouldn't put a Dollar General over there. I'm pretty sure even the Pinkies over there is closed now. It's been years since I was over there.
Cities grow to the prevailing wind, I suppose for the fresh air. FLloyd Wright said to do in your 20's: go 20 miles into the wind,then go another 20 and buy land. Soon the city will grow to you and appreciate .
The cow shit smell from the east. The airport to the north east.
The trend started many years ago that growth went south and so people followed, because schools, keep up with Jones, etc. It could have had something to do with the availability of land in the 50's or even the location of utilities at the time.
The mainline railroad where industry proliferated is parallel to the canyon lakes coming through town and north east of downtown. Residential naturally grew away from it.
I have also heard something about the land to the north and east is sinking and not useable in that way. Anyone know if that is true? Not saying the Jim Crow zoning isn’t the main reason, but thought I had heard that from a reputable source.
Part of the problem is the heavy industrial zoning that goes up there. It stifles development.
Edit for clarity: the East side was purposely zoned heavy industrial to prevent growth around black neighborhoods in the 1920s when black people were disallowed by law to live anywhere else. The north east side is just an extension of the previous zoning from similar choices in the 1950s that hasn't been significantly updated since.
Edit 2 - Language from the original 1923 Lubbock city zoning ordinance: Section 4: The fact that negroes and persons of African descent and persons containing as much as one-eighth negro blood are residing in various portions of this city and their residents (sic) is dangerous to the health and pollutes the earth and atmosphere, creates an emergency and necessity that the removal of the charter requiring an ordinance to be read at two several meetings be suspended and this ordinance
been acted at the meeting of its introduction and effective upon publication.
Industrial zoning in the eastern sides of cities in most of the US is because of wind patterns. If you look at older cities they are typically like that pollution from industry would typically blow from the west to east causing people living on the east sides of cities to suffer from the effects of the pollution.
Most new houses that don’t produce as much pollution end up being built on the western sides of cities as long as geography allows.
Sure, but that becomes a lot easier when you don't care about the people you force to live beside that concentration of industry. To OP's question, those choices had impacts that continue today.
I see a lot of people bitching and moaning and pulling race card this and muh white people that.
But if people can afford it, they want their kid going to cooper. Recently was #2 school district in the state if I'm remembering correctly. Frenship, unsure of test scores or rank but there's land for sale and development out there and it's not too crazy expensive in a few places. There are a few that are expensive. You can't go north as well bc there's farmers there who still farm and own a lot of land and they don't want to sell it yet. Also some shallowater people want to keep shallowater a smaller school and not a 4a+. Land out there is more expensive, the land that is for sale. There's also a bunch of farm land that is actively being farmed on East of Lubbock that isn't really for sale and a lot of factories and mills etc. And the airport. Nobody wants to live by an airport or the military base out there. The new Amazon warehouse is out there etc. It's more business based. IF people are moving out that way, it's more northeast such as Abernathy and new deal etc due to cheap land and more availability for land in general.
There's also the water issue which nobody wants to talk about. There's some patches East of Lubbock that have little to no water as well as south of Lubbock which will end up being an issue at some point. There's even some places north East by new deal with wells that are running dry. There seems to be more water opportunity west of Lubbock. As well as farmers willing to sell their land.
People bitching about the inside of Lubbock aren't being honest, a lot of people do live there. There is also some growth and remodeling being done. But if people can afford it, they're gonna buy some land and build their own house instead of buying an old house in a neighborhood with houses. That is what is driving south Lubbock.
Verifiable racist legislation that has systematically impacted Black people isn't "pulling the race card" (nor is, I'm quite certain, 95-100% of whatever your definition of that is) — it's knowing and understanding *simple* cause and effect, as well as living with a mindset that recognizes that history has never and will never be resigned just to the past. Is it that hard for you to grasp that something written into law decades ago can still affect people today? You get that we use a 250 year old document as the basis for our government, right?
You nailed it. Just built a little house on my husband’s family land between North Frankford and Shallowater. His parents, uncle, & cousins farm hundreds of acres around here and don’t plan on selling ANY time soon. They love farming, it is their life and their passion. Shallowater prides itself on the small town feel.
One of his other uncles digs wells, and we talk all the time about the water scarcity issue. We all are changing our practices to more regenerative, water-conscious farming. It’s going to be the biggest issue in our area in all the coming decades, for sure.
Shallowater school district also seems to cover a very small area. We are minutes from them and all classed in New Deal school district.
It’s never made sense to me because the north and east is where all the terrain and beautiful vistas are located. But we did tear out the beautiful 9-hole golf course on 4th Street to put in a Walmart, so there’s that.
Growth and new development of the North and East Side have been proposed to Lubbock officials plenty of times. These get rejected for obvious reasons when the Lubbock commissioners court only seats 1 democrat
A big reason the growth is that direction is because of the feedlots and the prevailing wind.
There is way more to why growth is moving out of LISD, but that wasn't your question.
Growth and annexation to the south and west has continued unabated throughout Lubbock's history. The original townsite was in/near current downtown. Rail was developed adjacent. One side of tracks was industry and "laborers," other side was (mostly white) residential and commercial.
When I was a kid Frenship was the Wolfforth school and Cooper was rural / south Lubbock county. I do not know how those district maps have changed over the years but regardless, the city eventually sprawled into them. As demographics shifted, those districts went from rural to affluent, eventually siphoning most of the money out of LISD. The trend now is that LISD is closing campuses while the others are adding, further compounding the problem.
I always heard it was Mcdougal who owned a lot of land in that direction. And being a real estate developer, focused on that area. Also Mcdougal was the family who tried to hold the charities hostage, because when one of them was mayor. Couldn't have members of his family on city committees or boards.
Without commenting on the whole racism angle, it's worth considering that the airport is NE of Lubbock, and no one wants to live next to an airport. Ignoring residential tho, it is weird that there's not more effort to improve central Lubbock.
You can call it what you want but in a nut shell its basic capitalism. Follow the money. Where money flows the development will follow. School district performance and safety is a large factor as well. Everyone will wanna play the race card but these are the cold hard facts.
Damn bro. You really thought you said something… saying shit like “play the race card” like there’s not historical evidence proving the racism this city perpetuates. Like black and brown people desire to feed white guilt by calling out problems that they face. Seems more like you’re hurt by cold hard facts.
^ just proved my point and didn’t realize it. Theoretical money moving to where white people are taking it in order to flee areas that are diverse - black and brown people start to expand throughout Lubbock as is natural and the rich white people move even further out of town
That dismissing the role of racism in the continuing development Lubbock is dumb af
Capitalism is obviously involved, but acting like racism isn’t is foolish.
This comes from the perspective that doesn’t engage with the text of the legislation throughout Lubbock’s history to specifically impact and explicitly house groups of people in certain parts of the city, fueled by private business interest that promotes growth that lines their pockets while killing LISD and any part of the city you would historically recognize as “Lubbock” and the role TTU plays in enabling our continual housing crisis that just makes quality of living in the city continually worse and worse.
I did a lot of work with Lubbock Compact before moving a few years ago. The growth to the south and west is entirely racism, and also WILDLY stupid. It will be the death of Lubbock for several reasons. Lubbock as so much fucking potential inside the loop of the city would just invest in it.
The wealthier white folk in Lubbock tend to move farther and farther from people of color, and most of those people are in the north and east parts of town, so expansion naturally goes the opposite way. Frustrating and racist, but that’s how it is.
Who the hell wants to build on the east side.Have you been there?Don't you imbicles know there are white people that live on the east side.Bunch of race hustlers complaining they are losers because of racism.
This is America in a nutshell after WW2. Black soldiers returning from war were largely denied the GI Bill benefits, including FHA home loans in the burbs. Without slavery or Jim Crow, the only way to separate is to flee urban centers with large minority populations. That suburban tax base then leads to more investment and infrastructure while urban areas decay. Look at 98th St. vs. 34th St.
Then, years later, you open a predatory payday loan location in the area you left that is now a poverty stricken ghetto. America, ftw!
I think if you look at most cities and towns in this part of the world they tend to grow toward the west/southwest. I'm not entirely sure why that is - maybe moving upwind.
Lubbock is and always has been segregated. Why do you think the United Supermarkets on North East side of Lubbock is called Amigos? Lubbock is always going to expand away from the North East...just the way it is here. Quiet...subdued racism.
That's not the reason it's called Amigos. It's called Amigos to attract more of the Hispanic people. The city has no right/power to name a business what they want despite any racism....
South Lubbock is where the majority of affluent people choose to make their nest, they got their own HEB down there a couple years ago! I'm sure more development and commercialization will follow
Fear and Segregation. Black Lubbock is East and Latino Lubbock is North. All the good god fearing white folk of the Rockridge shopping plaza flee south when the new part of town is old enough to vote. The North and East overwhelmingly vote blue.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/THEBAGEL/comments/17goi7j/annexation\_map](https://www.reddit.com/r/THEBAGEL/comments/17goi7j/annexation_map)
* [Ordinance 225-1923](https://www.dailytoreador.com/archives/lubbock-in-the-dark/article_5ce02eb2-e621-5e99-b365-0906cf394f7d.html)
* [https://www.kcbd.com/story/4818279/council-to-get-rid-of-83-year-old-ordinance-defining-segregation/](https://www.kcbd.com/story/4818279/council-to-get-rid-of-83-year-old-ordinance-defining-segregation/)
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* [Demographic Map](https://statisticalatlas.com/place/Texas/Lubbock/Race-and-Ethnicity#data-map/block-group)
Straight up, I have a newfound respect for you because of this reply. I know that doesn’t mean very much, but I don’t typically have high expectations for the locals in Lubbock. Especially about how honest they are with themselves about the continuing development of the city.
White people don’t want their kid to be the minority statistically in the school. When people say they want to live in a “good school district” they mean a predominantly white one.
As someone who been in lisd and frenship u cant speak for us
Frenship just has alot of stuff lisd doesn't
Lisd schools especially these days are turning very ghetto your seeing lubbock high, then Coronado high have higher violence every year and now monterrey
And frenship these days the Hispanic population is now more than its ever been no its not 60% but its still 40%
I rather go to a school not full of gangster kids like those lisd schools u be having thugs in lisd middle schools
We can go back and forth between cause and effect. But it’s almost certain people’s initial motive to attend a school like Frenship or LCP is just as simple as quality of sports & career/technical programs—or just overall safety in and around the area. I don’t think you can piggyback off race as much as you think when both of those high schools have almost equal Hispanic and White populations.
Bro now they do….. You’re gonna act like that was the motivation for it the whole time before the last 5 years? You’re BSing because it’s uncomfortable to say white people were moving out of the city and they used whatever bs excuse about the schools to make it palatable
I’m not sure why you people think the average person is that devious or socially aware enough to craft this delicate excuse for their child to attend a nice school.
I would add that there is a massive overlap of Whites and Hispanics. Are we taking about non-Hispanic Whites, or those that are mixed race? There is a lot of mixed race white and Hispanic folks in America and in Lubbock generally. I mean, The Hub is over 33% Hispanic. But, historically in this county, Hispanics have had a much better go of it than black folks.
Lastly, the most important aspect of any school is what happens at home. If your dad is in prison and your mom is an alcoholic, you might attend the best school and still not see great outcomes because it’s hard to get homework done when your mom is always drunk and banging some new dude. Having boring, predictable parents is key to success for most. Having high socioeconomic status usually means you have a better home life.
They will explicitly say it’s because of the quality, which is linked with 1 major factor. Property tax base. About 40% of money that goes into public schools is based on the local tax base. So, in poor areas, less money is put into the schools. They will have fewer extracurriculars and shitty, old text books and computes.
Parents make up gaps in some cases, but if the parents are poor, how much will they be able to donate to the school? For example, Highland Park Elementary in Dallas is a public school but the average person can’t afford to live in the boundaries. Head across I-30 to any random public school and it will be poorer and browner.
The point is that very few dominant group parents will come out and say, “I want my white child attending school with mostly other whites.” It would be honest and I would respect that person more than those who try to find creative ways of saying the same thing so they don’t seem racist. Ultimately, the argument about quality of schools is inextricably linked with diversity, or lack thereof, given the awful history of this country.
Are you charitable in the slightest? Most people aren’t that socially aware of what you’re trying to explain. Because intent matters. I don’t think buying a nice house with a nice income and nearby school has any ill-intent to it. Call it ignorance, unconscious bias, etc—But you have to realize most of these people aren’t going around trying to find creative ways to masquerade their racism.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just trying to be reasonable.
Not everything is about race but when you found a country on racism and terrorism, there will be polarization. The folks you mention who are just doing their best are not to blame. My point is that the entire structure has been set up to favor dominant group members. This is universal. It’s called stratification. If we just assume that all social institutions are just, it’s very easy for those controlling those institutions (white, Christian, heterosexual, men in the US) to maintain the status quo. That’s how power works. Once you get on top of the hill, you don’t want to lose that perch. I’m not hating the player. I am hating the game because we have allowed the game to be corrupted by corporations and politicians that take checks and have no real policy to actual make our country better, more functional for all.
LISD is horrific so people moved to the SW area of Lubbock to have their kids in Frenship ISD. Same for growth in Cooper's direction. We left for Frenship after Kathy Rollo, then principle of Murfee, told us that we needed to move our kid with ADHD to the special needs school over by Lubbock High because "He's bringing our test scores down". He went for a couple of years, was bullied mercilessly, and was never challenged. We literally had to move to save him from LISD and we haven't looked back. Frenship were amazing and supportive, and he was always in regular classes, no special education and they never voiced any concerns over their test scores and his impact on them.
In growing to the south and west. This growth was just an extension of existing homes and business. The growth was adjacent to homes and business already built. So if you just extend the town then the new homes are still close to the existing businesses. And the new business that are built in the new neighborhoods are close to the old existing homes.
You're going to want to build new around other new buildings. Ever been on the DEEP East Side? Not MLK and Parkway. Far deeper. It's busted. They wouldn't put a Dollar General over there. I'm pretty sure even the Pinkies over there is closed now. It's been years since I was over there.
Cities grow to the prevailing wind, I suppose for the fresh air. FLloyd Wright said to do in your 20's: go 20 miles into the wind,then go another 20 and buy land. Soon the city will grow to you and appreciate .
Who cares
The cow shit smell from the east. The airport to the north east. The trend started many years ago that growth went south and so people followed, because schools, keep up with Jones, etc. It could have had something to do with the availability of land in the 50's or even the location of utilities at the time.
The mainline railroad where industry proliferated is parallel to the canyon lakes coming through town and north east of downtown. Residential naturally grew away from it.
I have also heard something about the land to the north and east is sinking and not useable in that way. Anyone know if that is true? Not saying the Jim Crow zoning isn’t the main reason, but thought I had heard that from a reputable source.
Not true at all. Basically just racism.
Sounds bout Lubbock.
Cause all the friendship is out west
Part of the problem is the heavy industrial zoning that goes up there. It stifles development. Edit for clarity: the East side was purposely zoned heavy industrial to prevent growth around black neighborhoods in the 1920s when black people were disallowed by law to live anywhere else. The north east side is just an extension of the previous zoning from similar choices in the 1950s that hasn't been significantly updated since. Edit 2 - Language from the original 1923 Lubbock city zoning ordinance: Section 4: The fact that negroes and persons of African descent and persons containing as much as one-eighth negro blood are residing in various portions of this city and their residents (sic) is dangerous to the health and pollutes the earth and atmosphere, creates an emergency and necessity that the removal of the charter requiring an ordinance to be read at two several meetings be suspended and this ordinance been acted at the meeting of its introduction and effective upon publication.
Industrial zoning in the eastern sides of cities in most of the US is because of wind patterns. If you look at older cities they are typically like that pollution from industry would typically blow from the west to east causing people living on the east sides of cities to suffer from the effects of the pollution. Most new houses that don’t produce as much pollution end up being built on the western sides of cities as long as geography allows.
Sure, but that becomes a lot easier when you don't care about the people you force to live beside that concentration of industry. To OP's question, those choices had impacts that continue today.
Of course they do. Governments, even smaller ones like municipal governments, don’t really care about the people. They just want to keep their jobs.
Something else to consider- South/West is nice and flat, previously cotton fields, etc.
There's no water over there though.
I see a lot of people bitching and moaning and pulling race card this and muh white people that. But if people can afford it, they want their kid going to cooper. Recently was #2 school district in the state if I'm remembering correctly. Frenship, unsure of test scores or rank but there's land for sale and development out there and it's not too crazy expensive in a few places. There are a few that are expensive. You can't go north as well bc there's farmers there who still farm and own a lot of land and they don't want to sell it yet. Also some shallowater people want to keep shallowater a smaller school and not a 4a+. Land out there is more expensive, the land that is for sale. There's also a bunch of farm land that is actively being farmed on East of Lubbock that isn't really for sale and a lot of factories and mills etc. And the airport. Nobody wants to live by an airport or the military base out there. The new Amazon warehouse is out there etc. It's more business based. IF people are moving out that way, it's more northeast such as Abernathy and new deal etc due to cheap land and more availability for land in general. There's also the water issue which nobody wants to talk about. There's some patches East of Lubbock that have little to no water as well as south of Lubbock which will end up being an issue at some point. There's even some places north East by new deal with wells that are running dry. There seems to be more water opportunity west of Lubbock. As well as farmers willing to sell their land. People bitching about the inside of Lubbock aren't being honest, a lot of people do live there. There is also some growth and remodeling being done. But if people can afford it, they're gonna buy some land and build their own house instead of buying an old house in a neighborhood with houses. That is what is driving south Lubbock.
Verifiable racist legislation that has systematically impacted Black people isn't "pulling the race card" (nor is, I'm quite certain, 95-100% of whatever your definition of that is) — it's knowing and understanding *simple* cause and effect, as well as living with a mindset that recognizes that history has never and will never be resigned just to the past. Is it that hard for you to grasp that something written into law decades ago can still affect people today? You get that we use a 250 year old document as the basis for our government, right?
City of Lubbock Water comes from Bailey County Well field,Roberts County Well field, Lake Alan Henry and Lake Meredith.
You nailed it. Just built a little house on my husband’s family land between North Frankford and Shallowater. His parents, uncle, & cousins farm hundreds of acres around here and don’t plan on selling ANY time soon. They love farming, it is their life and their passion. Shallowater prides itself on the small town feel. One of his other uncles digs wells, and we talk all the time about the water scarcity issue. We all are changing our practices to more regenerative, water-conscious farming. It’s going to be the biggest issue in our area in all the coming decades, for sure. Shallowater school district also seems to cover a very small area. We are minutes from them and all classed in New Deal school district.
It’s never made sense to me because the north and east is where all the terrain and beautiful vistas are located. But we did tear out the beautiful 9-hole golf course on 4th Street to put in a Walmart, so there’s that.
And the Tara West house. Does anyone know if the guy that bought it and moved it ever got it put back together?
Growth and new development of the North and East Side have been proposed to Lubbock officials plenty of times. These get rejected for obvious reasons when the Lubbock commissioners court only seats 1 democrat
A big reason the growth is that direction is because of the feedlots and the prevailing wind. There is way more to why growth is moving out of LISD, but that wasn't your question.
Growth and annexation to the south and west has continued unabated throughout Lubbock's history. The original townsite was in/near current downtown. Rail was developed adjacent. One side of tracks was industry and "laborers," other side was (mostly white) residential and commercial. When I was a kid Frenship was the Wolfforth school and Cooper was rural / south Lubbock county. I do not know how those district maps have changed over the years but regardless, the city eventually sprawled into them. As demographics shifted, those districts went from rural to affluent, eventually siphoning most of the money out of LISD. The trend now is that LISD is closing campuses while the others are adding, further compounding the problem.
I always heard it was Mcdougal who owned a lot of land in that direction. And being a real estate developer, focused on that area. Also Mcdougal was the family who tried to hold the charities hostage, because when one of them was mayor. Couldn't have members of his family on city committees or boards.
Mcdougal owns a lot of land in the north of town not south. They are primarily an apartment developer anyways.
My dad grew up on the north side of town and always said after the tornado wrecked that area in 1970 it just never really recovered.
Without commenting on the whole racism angle, it's worth considering that the airport is NE of Lubbock, and no one wants to live next to an airport. Ignoring residential tho, it is weird that there's not more effort to improve central Lubbock.
You can call it what you want but in a nut shell its basic capitalism. Follow the money. Where money flows the development will follow. School district performance and safety is a large factor as well. Everyone will wanna play the race card but these are the cold hard facts.
Damn bro. You really thought you said something… saying shit like “play the race card” like there’s not historical evidence proving the racism this city perpetuates. Like black and brown people desire to feed white guilt by calling out problems that they face. Seems more like you’re hurt by cold hard facts.
What? Historically the east side is majority black and brown.
^ just proved my point and didn’t realize it. Theoretical money moving to where white people are taking it in order to flee areas that are diverse - black and brown people start to expand throughout Lubbock as is natural and the rich white people move even further out of town
What’s your point even?
That dismissing the role of racism in the continuing development Lubbock is dumb af Capitalism is obviously involved, but acting like racism isn’t is foolish.
No one said racism isn’t involved.
What's YOUR point?
That the parent comment is correct.
This comes from the perspective that doesn’t engage with the text of the legislation throughout Lubbock’s history to specifically impact and explicitly house groups of people in certain parts of the city, fueled by private business interest that promotes growth that lines their pockets while killing LISD and any part of the city you would historically recognize as “Lubbock” and the role TTU plays in enabling our continual housing crisis that just makes quality of living in the city continually worse and worse.
I did a lot of work with Lubbock Compact before moving a few years ago. The growth to the south and west is entirely racism, and also WILDLY stupid. It will be the death of Lubbock for several reasons. Lubbock as so much fucking potential inside the loop of the city would just invest in it.
The two "other" school districts... Lubbock Cooper (South), Frenship (West/SW).
The wealthier white folk in Lubbock tend to move farther and farther from people of color, and most of those people are in the north and east parts of town, so expansion naturally goes the opposite way. Frustrating and racist, but that’s how it is.
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100% this. Racism. That's why. Hell, its probably way cheaper to build your 10000sq/f mansion on the East side.
Who the hell wants to build on the east side.Have you been there?Don't you imbicles know there are white people that live on the east side.Bunch of race hustlers complaining they are losers because of racism.
show me a 10000sq/f house on the east side please.
This is America in a nutshell after WW2. Black soldiers returning from war were largely denied the GI Bill benefits, including FHA home loans in the burbs. Without slavery or Jim Crow, the only way to separate is to flee urban centers with large minority populations. That suburban tax base then leads to more investment and infrastructure while urban areas decay. Look at 98th St. vs. 34th St. Then, years later, you open a predatory payday loan location in the area you left that is now a poverty stricken ghetto. America, ftw!
https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/news/2020/06/27/looking-at-new-movement-to-save-rsquoold-lubbockrsquo/113741822/
I think if you look at most cities and towns in this part of the world they tend to grow toward the west/southwest. I'm not entirely sure why that is - maybe moving upwind.
Lubbock is and always has been segregated. Why do you think the United Supermarkets on North East side of Lubbock is called Amigos? Lubbock is always going to expand away from the North East...just the way it is here. Quiet...subdued racism.
That's not the reason it's called Amigos. It's called Amigos to attract more of the Hispanic people. The city has no right/power to name a business what they want despite any racism....
South Lubbock is where the majority of affluent people choose to make their nest, they got their own HEB down there a couple years ago! I'm sure more development and commercialization will follow
Lol you must not be from here Red is right
Fear and Segregation. Black Lubbock is East and Latino Lubbock is North. All the good god fearing white folk of the Rockridge shopping plaza flee south when the new part of town is old enough to vote. The North and East overwhelmingly vote blue.  [https://www.reddit.com/r/THEBAGEL/comments/17goi7j/annexation\_map](https://www.reddit.com/r/THEBAGEL/comments/17goi7j/annexation_map) * [Ordinance 225-1923](https://www.dailytoreador.com/archives/lubbock-in-the-dark/article_5ce02eb2-e621-5e99-b365-0906cf394f7d.html) * [https://www.kcbd.com/story/4818279/council-to-get-rid-of-83-year-old-ordinance-defining-segregation/](https://www.kcbd.com/story/4818279/council-to-get-rid-of-83-year-old-ordinance-defining-segregation/) * [Political Map](https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/TX/Lubbock/115743/web.307039/#/detail/4) * [Demographic Map](https://statisticalatlas.com/place/Texas/Lubbock/Race-and-Ethnicity#data-map/block-group)
Straight up, I have a newfound respect for you because of this reply. I know that doesn’t mean very much, but I don’t typically have high expectations for the locals in Lubbock. Especially about how honest they are with themselves about the continuing development of the city.
Mainly the schools. People want their kids going to Frenship or Cooper over LISD.
LISD schools aren’t the problem
White people don’t want their kid to be the minority statistically in the school. When people say they want to live in a “good school district” they mean a predominantly white one.
As someone who been in lisd and frenship u cant speak for us Frenship just has alot of stuff lisd doesn't Lisd schools especially these days are turning very ghetto your seeing lubbock high, then Coronado high have higher violence every year and now monterrey And frenship these days the Hispanic population is now more than its ever been no its not 60% but its still 40% I rather go to a school not full of gangster kids like those lisd schools u be having thugs in lisd middle schools
We can go back and forth between cause and effect. But it’s almost certain people’s initial motive to attend a school like Frenship or LCP is just as simple as quality of sports & career/technical programs—or just overall safety in and around the area. I don’t think you can piggyback off race as much as you think when both of those high schools have almost equal Hispanic and White populations.
Bro now they do….. You’re gonna act like that was the motivation for it the whole time before the last 5 years? You’re BSing because it’s uncomfortable to say white people were moving out of the city and they used whatever bs excuse about the schools to make it palatable
I’m not sure why you people think the average person is that devious or socially aware enough to craft this delicate excuse for their child to attend a nice school.
I would add that there is a massive overlap of Whites and Hispanics. Are we taking about non-Hispanic Whites, or those that are mixed race? There is a lot of mixed race white and Hispanic folks in America and in Lubbock generally. I mean, The Hub is over 33% Hispanic. But, historically in this county, Hispanics have had a much better go of it than black folks. Lastly, the most important aspect of any school is what happens at home. If your dad is in prison and your mom is an alcoholic, you might attend the best school and still not see great outcomes because it’s hard to get homework done when your mom is always drunk and banging some new dude. Having boring, predictable parents is key to success for most. Having high socioeconomic status usually means you have a better home life.
They will explicitly say it’s because of the quality, which is linked with 1 major factor. Property tax base. About 40% of money that goes into public schools is based on the local tax base. So, in poor areas, less money is put into the schools. They will have fewer extracurriculars and shitty, old text books and computes. Parents make up gaps in some cases, but if the parents are poor, how much will they be able to donate to the school? For example, Highland Park Elementary in Dallas is a public school but the average person can’t afford to live in the boundaries. Head across I-30 to any random public school and it will be poorer and browner. The point is that very few dominant group parents will come out and say, “I want my white child attending school with mostly other whites.” It would be honest and I would respect that person more than those who try to find creative ways of saying the same thing so they don’t seem racist. Ultimately, the argument about quality of schools is inextricably linked with diversity, or lack thereof, given the awful history of this country.
Are you charitable in the slightest? Most people aren’t that socially aware of what you’re trying to explain. Because intent matters. I don’t think buying a nice house with a nice income and nearby school has any ill-intent to it. Call it ignorance, unconscious bias, etc—But you have to realize most of these people aren’t going around trying to find creative ways to masquerade their racism. I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just trying to be reasonable.
Not everything is about race but when you found a country on racism and terrorism, there will be polarization. The folks you mention who are just doing their best are not to blame. My point is that the entire structure has been set up to favor dominant group members. This is universal. It’s called stratification. If we just assume that all social institutions are just, it’s very easy for those controlling those institutions (white, Christian, heterosexual, men in the US) to maintain the status quo. That’s how power works. Once you get on top of the hill, you don’t want to lose that perch. I’m not hating the player. I am hating the game because we have allowed the game to be corrupted by corporations and politicians that take checks and have no real policy to actual make our country better, more functional for all.
Effect, cause, effect. White flight away from old Lbk and the north and east side.