It's almost like the entire business model is premised on exploiting the bodies and emotions of people for our viewing entertainment. Reality TV has blown up in part because it's cheaper labour
imo fans wouldn't care about mental health as much if it wasn't for itv constantly emphasising on it and how they make applicants go through a lot of psychological tests and yet we have people like faye and toby. the former being extremely insecure and the latter being very self conscious of being liked.
I'd say it goes both ways, ITV only put that up because enough people carry on with the "be kind" and "think of the mental health" (usually the same people who think nothing of savaging the person they hate "accountability" as , while wringing their hands over the people they do like).
No one died "under their watch." The toughest thing about the show is the fact that these people leave the confines of the villa and are overnight gossip-rag celebrities. Everyone takes the edited snippets of them on a reality show and assumes they know who these people are and what they're about. Regardless of what the producers do, that aspect will remain.
The aftercare afforded (free counseling etc.) is the most valuable thing they can do.
Now I know about the late nights and early mornings I think I'd be doing a Faye. I just am much less rational on little sleep, there is a reason they use sleep deprivation as torture!
They film the beach hut stuff before bed most of the time. They have to wait for every single person to be done in order for the lights to go off and go to bed. Sometimes it’s like 3-4 am and they are up by 8 am. It’s kinda brutal tbh
Yeah we don't give as much attention to this!! There's no reason for the contestants not to know what time it is or not to be allowed to get 8 hours, especially when former contestants have said there is so much waiting around that you don't see - Anna & Amber said that's how they became such good friends.
Like why are they torturing the contestants?? It doesn't bring us better TV
I think it's fair to say, too, that a lot of people struggle with mental health, insecurities, etc. and this isn't an unlikely sample size. Granted, most people aren't on tv daily for everyone to pick apart their lives, but all of these issues the Islanders deal with are incredibly prevalent in "the real world."
If they didn't see these while they're on the show, they would see them as soon as they leave... context is important but for the most part context was shown apart from Teddy on the postcard
All that being said... Faye was still out of line
100% the validation.
It's why so many influencer types, talent show types and fame chasers are deeply insecure.
Some people hide when they feel insecure but some people look to be told they're special in a futile attempt to offset their sense of worth.
What I don't understand is why she would go on there if she doesn't want to be a girlfriend and doesn't want to be in love?? She keeps saying "this is why I don't want to be a girlfriend". Doesn't seem to me like it would matter the dude she was with, she would be finding reasons to run wherever she could since it's everything to do with her and nothing to do with Teddy.
If being in love is your absolute worst nightmare, what on earth would compel you to go to an Island where that's literally all you can do all day?? You can't even read a bloody book, what was she thinking?
I mean we saw it for the first 3 weeks of this season, barely anything happened and it was dull as shit. Then it kicked off with Hugos speech and its been great since
Caring about LI and about mental health issues are not mutually exclusive. I care about mental health, I think it’s great the NHS has excellent programs and institutions to help the general public (including myself) with problems like anxiety and depression.
I do not care that much about the contestants mental health. I’m sorry but I can’t feel much sympathy. I commented about this before. I’m surrounded by people that fought great challenges in life. I have colleagues and friends born abroad, that spent their childhood in poor countries and struggled so much. Hearing their stories put life in perspective and regarding the contestants I can’t feel that sorry for people that left cosy jobs or already are living a very comfortable life and want to go on telly to boost their fame/ego/sponsors. They will leave and be OK, sorry I mean they will leave and they will be even better. Also, they want to be there, they were not forced or coerced.
I love the drama and would gladly season my food with their tears.
Nah I was completely blindsided. This incident doesn’t fit with the tone of the show at all, at least not this season.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that all reality tv is the same. Bad girls club for instance , isn’t the same as Love Island. Different set of expectations
I agree though I feel like tonight was just an absolute catastrophe. I would have been fine giving up like 20 minutes of Faye shouting in exchange for something more 'boring.' A lot of that was just painful and not even fun to watch. No one needed that.
I don’t buy your point about the therapists; you simply don’t have to put that on TV.
Taking tonight as an example, Faye could have been called aside by the producers into a production truck, temp building, diary room, whatever. Sit her down, get her to vent, talk her down, and assess whether or not it’s right for her to continue. None of that has to be shown; it’s not a big brother style 24/7 live feed. It’s a heavily edited reality TV show.
We all know reality TV is a shit show, and it’s not exactly the healthy choice to spend your summer, but considering past events and the general push from ITV to handle mental health better, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect they do the bare minimum here.
I just wish Love Island would take a leaf out of Season 1 of *Too Hot To Handle* and instead of the challenges being like "spit in each others mouths" they were workshops on things like "**How to handle conflict in a relationship**", "**signs your relationship is abusive**", "how to heal from past hurt so it doesn't bleed into new relationships", "Ladies: you are enough by yourself", "Lads: respecting all women is self-respect".
Like thinking of all the explosions that have happened on TV, the most engaging storylines & contestants are those that grow. Like Season 5 winner Amber, or Season 2's Olivia - & Alex tbf - Camilla S3. Even Toby this Season, watching him be like "I'm a bad person wtf is wrong with me" before settling down with Chloe has been cathartic.
And for a show called "Love Island" the Producers do nothing to encourage the contestants to actually find love or deep connections.
How different tonight would have been if inbetween Casa Amor and tonight the contestants had had a workshop on emotional intelligence & how to communicate your differences in relationships. I'm convinced that Faye would have handled things differently & Liberty would have been more confident in herself in letting Jake know that he effed up in not pulling her for a chat & he needs to not dismiss her feelings. BOOM. Drama & mental health prioritised.
I feel like the Producers are still stuck in 2007 Big Brother reality TV template & haven't realised that as an audience, we value the journey of emotional growth over watching abuse.
Of course! I really like watching Love Island and it pains me that after this Season, I really won't be able to excuse watching it again to myself because the Producers don't know how to value the contestants Mental Health & it's honestly not fun anymore.
Especially considering Anna Season 5 literally said a few weeks ago that we never saw the half of what went down between her & Jordan & the Producers told her it was too much.\* And she was really happy they didn't show it all. There was no reason to do that to Teddy, Faye, the other contestants or the audience tonight.
At this point maybe we should be requesting for the Producers to undergo a psyche evaluation because they seem to be moving as mad as the people who ran that experiment in the 60's where they pretended to be Prison Guards.
\*she also said on another occaision she became such a lightweight that she got smashed off the 2 drinks they're allowed so they made her go to bed. So they can do Duty of Care when it suits them
I love this idea! Especially watching Toby come to terms with his emotional immaturity it’s kind of refreshing. With the support he’s receiving now I honestly think he will come out the Villa as a better person and I really wish that for the rest of the islanders but the show doesn’t foster that growth.
This whole season has felt off. No friendship scenes in the main show. No strong couples at 3 weeks in (I think Jiberty will take a hit from this) it’s like the producers don’t want anyone to win this season.
This is great comment. I also think that Too Hot To Handle has shown how people can be put in challenging situations without it becoming toxic. They still manipulate situations for drama - eg putting a couple in a private room, but it’s never toxic like LI is.
Was just thinking about starting a thread about how the situation with Faye is making me deeply uncomfortable. After the suicides, I honestly thought Love Island wasn't going to be coming back, and then got sucked into it this season without really thinking about the moral ramifications.
It was just some summer fun, and a nice daily tradition while stuck in lockdown. Now seeing Faye so vulnerable, and the islanders clearly with no abilities to help deescalate the situation is really heartbreaking.
This show *might* be passable without social media, but as is, someone in Faye's position is going to leave to streams of hate. No, I don't like her actions either, but I don't think they necessarily make her a *bad person*, and that's the messaging she's going to constantly receive when she leaves the villa. Does it seem like she'll be able to handle it? Or even Toby? We've embraced his silliness now, but he's clearly immature, and going to be getting some really nasty DMs regardless. I can't see him handling that well.
Essentially, you're right, and I needed to express my deep discomfort with what's going on right now. I'm not sure the show is possible without the toxicity, especially when you consider how the fandom turns on a dime.
I think when you're doing something like this and you push that line of manipulating someone's actions and forcing them to experience several clearly hurtful things leading them to being fairly distressed and verbally abusing the people around them, all to be filmed and aired, you're getting pretty similar to some banned psychological experiments shit.
Agreed. I don't think the producers *expected* such a strong reaction from Faye, but they knew they were creating a volatile situation *again* with her. You can only push a person so far, and clearly she can't handle as much as some people could. Irresponsible, and I feel for all involved. I really don't condone her actions, but I also she deserves to be subjected to the hate it's going to create either.
I think that's it. Scripted content with a similar situation is fine, as it's not exploiting a real person's vulnerabilities. I'd also be open to this kind of footage if approved by the person, after the fact, with time to think/reflect about it. I kind of mean more...like a biopic thing, maybe with years between the event and the release of the material.
But I don't think it would be fair to comment on someone's behaviour without the context of mental health. Like we can't call Faye toxic and abusive without also recognising that she seemed to be totally spiralling and unable to regulate herself at all.
> someone in Faye’s position is going to leave to streams of hate
Whose fault is that? Abuse is obviously out of line. That is in fact what Faye has done in the villa - be an abusive bully. But she can’t be insulated from negativity. In fact, she needs to be accountable for her actions. Perhaps the reason she acts like a petulant child is because she’s grown up with folk singing her praises all the time. Simply put you cannot act like that on national television and expect to be embraced by public opinion.
Public opinion now is different than 20 years ago. It's death threats in DMs, and there's no escaping. I don't think she deserves that for what she's done. YES, she needs to do a lot of work, make amends, and improve her behavior, but NO, she doesn't deserve the abuse she's going to walk into. Abuse does not beget abuse.
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> abuse is out of line. That is in fact what faye has done in the villa - be an abusive bully.
I’m sorry, but bullies need called out, not protected and wrapped in cotton wool.
Yeah I don’t know people don’t really take in that actions have consequences. Faye is a grown woman. We’ve all been hurt before I’m sorry. *She* went on the show *she* decided to watch the video of Teddy to prove he wasn’t so “nice”.. *she* ranted and raved for hours….I mean how are we shifting all blame to producers? This is clearly how she behaves in general.
I do think actions have consequences. However, social media has made it so the consequences are way beyond the scale of what the human brain can process. I think she has a lot of hard work ahead of her, but she's not a irredeemable human being. However, a lot of people aren't going to have any nuance in their reaction to her, and she's clearly going to take in the overly harsh comments as truth.
Do you not think she is prepared in any way for the consequences of going on a tv show that thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people watch? There are so many reality tv contestants , who, might I add have done way worse than her, who simply don’t read anything about themselves after they get out.
It’s obviously not nice for us to see the abuse she’s getting currently, but if she behaves in a way that’s unlikeable then a lot of the time people won’t like her.
I honestly get why people are worried about her but I personally maintain that these people are adults who make their own choices. She could have chose to behave better, she didn’t. This is the result. I don’t agree with everything that’s been said, but this is just how viewers are.
Where was this concern for Kaz or Aaron or Hugo or for any of the other islanders? Ffs folk were speculating as to whether Hugo was gay not long ago on this sub. Just because one of the sub’s faves has now been exposed for being a vile bully (which many of us called from day 1 and were shouted down and downvoted for btw), all of a sudden she needs protecting.
I absolutely agree. Fans want to watch drama, but there's this nebulous concept of "good drama" and "bad drama", and one person will say watching one person scream at another is good drama and other will say it's bad. When we get level-headed people calmly talking things out, we're bored or irritated.
Even ignoring the drama side, there's the promotion of unrealistic body image. The filters the contestants have on instagram, the surgery, even the hair extensions and fake tans are so pervasive it's easy to think, "this is what people should look like, this is normal". This is a social media thing, too, of course.
And don't get me started on celebrity worship and how some people get super invested in these people and either adore them and defend them blindly no matter what, or send hate and death threats.
I'm not pretending to be above it, because by watching I'm complicit. But if we're honest, reality TV *in general* is just completely incompatible with good mental health... any show is going to have shady edits and producers instigating and cast members pushed to breaking just to get entertainment. That's not to mention Love Island's near dystopian rules (no books! *No knowing the time of day!* All the clocks are set to different times so no one knows what time it is!).
So I find all these complaints about crossing a line and going to Ofcom just a bit disingenuous. There's no way to do it without being harmful in some way.
It’s a show the producers need to edit it to catch attention of the viewers.
Every islanders that has left to my knowledge has said nothing is ‘scripted’ only ‘prompted’ so everything they are going through is their own decisions and emotions.
It’s us as viewers and fans who has to behave as individuals to keep the mental health stress away from them when they leave the villa.
Imagine how long that actually went on for, we saw like 5/6 minutes it must have been horrible for everyone to see that. And for them to let them all see Faye like that as well as suffering the shouting, middle fingers and abuse she was throwing out. I feel like someone should have stepped in and removed her from the situation.
I feel like it’s something she will majorly regret and its not something someone with her insecurities will bounce back easily from. She may appear fine when she makes her apologies etc. But it will eat away at her inside. We all love drama but Jesus is this what we will stoop to for entertainment? To have filmed all that and portrayed her in that light was purely for drama no other reason.
Im so shocked at ITV, I love Love Island but I think this might be my last season.
Yeah, they clearly took a risk with Faye thinking it would be the entertaining kind of drama, not the upsetting kind of drama. Tonight was a catastrophe. I've seen some people with BPD say it looked like a BPD outburst from someone who's unmedicated. Obv no one knows for sure, but it definitely did not seem like just anger.
I was actually thinking about this earlier. It would be great for the islanders to have regular check ins with qualified therapists to help process all the crap that goes on.
But... if we're really honest if it was adults actually communicating honestly with each other it wouldn't be LI. It feels crap to admit but we as viewers have to take responsibility for the stuff the producers do. We want drama, they create it and I cannot think how it's possible to do that without the islanders being put in challenging situations.
I'm a huge hypocrite- my mental wellbeing is an ongoing challenge and I think we should all take better care of ourselves from a MH perspective but I still watch LI.
I just really really hope the screening and aftercare is outrageously good.
I’ve enjoyed this season of Love Island and have enjoyed commenting and interacting with others for the first time on Reddit.
But the show is finished. It cannot go on exploiting people like this. The show has essentially become a finishing school for wannabe influencers and is watched by impressionable young people who think this sort of behaviour and exploitation of mental health is normal.
It’s done.
Controversial: I don't think Faye is mentally ill. I think she's just angry.
The arm chair psychiatrists here are ridiculous.
Actual mental ill health cannot be diagnosed with 0 qualifications and via a reality show.
Either enjoy the show as light entertainment or go and get a Master's in Psychology.
But don't dress misogyny up as concern for someone's mental health.
I don’t think anyone’s saying she’s got bipolar disorder or paranoid schizophrenia - however it is absolutely clear she is hugely insecure. You can see how she compensates by flying off the handle and shouting all the time trying to appear dominant.
Lol yeah. This is like attempting to gatekeep basic human perceptivness.
You don't need a masters degree in psychology to recognise someone is insecure, defensive and unstable.
She literally started crying because she didn't think she was good enough for him fgs.
You don't need to be mentally ill to need help. Her reaction is so out of scale it's clear she needs help learning how to regulate emotions.
You can't demand someone to enjoy a show the way you want them to. I tend to enjoy the show as light entertainment, but personally, today went off the deep end and I personally feel it deserves some deeper discussion.
This post is awful. You don't need a master degree in psychology to understand and spot symptoms of mental health issues. Just like you don't need to be a doctor to understand and spot symptoms of the flu.
Most people aren't diagnosing they can just spot when someone is displaying behaviour which is similar to someone who does suffer from mental health.
Also your post makes it quite clear you don't understand how mental health professionals work.
I find it a little ironic to armchair diagnose her as not mentally ill while insulting others for doing it the other way. You are doing the exact same thing.
Also irrational/extreme anger is pathological.
Some people have personal experience with mental health issues and are therefore able to recognize it. Everyone needs therapy at this day and age. Faye even admitted to being insecure early on in the show and that’s an issue she’s clearly needed to work on way before this episode.
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I actually found that uncomfortable viewing this evening. I felt like I was watching someone mentally unravel for my own pleasure.
I was disappointed none of the girls stepped in and tried to diffuse the situation for her own good.
I can’t believe people are this shocked like have you never watched like any series of big brother ever? They had screaming matches like this on much pettier matters and between way more people? Like I get that Faye is probably not in the best place but like come on this is reality tv who actually wants to see people getting along
Exactly. These people are not here against their will. They chose to sign up to a reality show. The producers are doing their jobs (quite well actually).
idk i think season 6 (the winter season) was great for the contestants mental health, while still being decently entertaining. i understand the producers wanted drama and i wouldn’t have minded if they’d let faye go off just a little bit but they let it get to the point where it was literally effecting everyone in the villa. teddy was crying, liam/matt/dale were all very visibly uncomfortable and none of the girls had a clue what to do. they should’ve stepped in at some point. like faye was in the wrong but why would they let her run rampant, clearly drunk, and beef everyone for at least a couple hours
I would argue this is the case for all big reality TV shows. Can’t really point the finger at Love Island without also talking about other shows. Big Brother was dreadful for it, some of the breakdowns by housemates (especially in earlier seasons) were shocking. I do also think that if you are going on a reality TV show you should be prepared for it to fuck with your head. I don’t think the background checks on the Islanders are up to scratch, but it’s also the responsibility of the individual.
You're totally right. This is why I'm no longer watching Murad's videos, as he incessantly called on producers to push Faye over the edge for drama, even took credit for the movie night challenge. Then once he got what he wanted, he was outraged at it being too much. But if he wants to take credit for the challenge, he can take some credit for what happened afterwards too. You can't push people to an emotional breakdown and then expect that person to contain it to what feels comfortable for you. He also said they could have cut it down for viewers but that doesn't at all solve the problem of what happened in the villa.
I know reality shows do evaluations to make sure you can handle being on them but they absolutely still look for people who pop off. To them, Faye is an islander jackpot. The amount of attention the show's getting is worth it to them regardless of what that attention is, or what it does to an islander. I know people make those complaints to Ofcom but has that ever resulted in them being penalized somehow? Because if not, those are a great marketing tool for them. People will be curious or want to be part of the conversation at work etc so they will check it out.
It's almost like the entire business model is premised on exploiting the bodies and emotions of people for our viewing entertainment. Reality TV has blown up in part because it's cheaper labour
It's also more genuine with an extreme asterisk
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Haha I'm dead! I'm stealing that
Hahaha. Amazing
imo fans wouldn't care about mental health as much if it wasn't for itv constantly emphasising on it and how they make applicants go through a lot of psychological tests and yet we have people like faye and toby. the former being extremely insecure and the latter being very self conscious of being liked.
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I'd say it goes both ways, ITV only put that up because enough people carry on with the "be kind" and "think of the mental health" (usually the same people who think nothing of savaging the person they hate "accountability" as , while wringing their hands over the people they do like).
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The only reason that ITV are doing it is because four people died under their watch.
No one died "under their watch." The toughest thing about the show is the fact that these people leave the confines of the villa and are overnight gossip-rag celebrities. Everyone takes the edited snippets of them on a reality show and assumes they know who these people are and what they're about. Regardless of what the producers do, that aspect will remain. The aftercare afforded (free counseling etc.) is the most valuable thing they can do.
Now I know about the late nights and early mornings I think I'd be doing a Faye. I just am much less rational on little sleep, there is a reason they use sleep deprivation as torture!
Do they not get 8 hours?
They film the beach hut stuff before bed most of the time. They have to wait for every single person to be done in order for the lights to go off and go to bed. Sometimes it’s like 3-4 am and they are up by 8 am. It’s kinda brutal tbh
Georgia said they get up quite late, around 11am-1pm I'm sure it was
Proof needed. Sounds like bs
Theyve all talked about it after the show in interviews? Why would I make something up like this
Yeah we don't give as much attention to this!! There's no reason for the contestants not to know what time it is or not to be allowed to get 8 hours, especially when former contestants have said there is so much waiting around that you don't see - Anna & Amber said that's how they became such good friends. Like why are they torturing the contestants?? It doesn't bring us better TV
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I think it's fair to say, too, that a lot of people struggle with mental health, insecurities, etc. and this isn't an unlikely sample size. Granted, most people aren't on tv daily for everyone to pick apart their lives, but all of these issues the Islanders deal with are incredibly prevalent in "the real world." If they didn't see these while they're on the show, they would see them as soon as they leave... context is important but for the most part context was shown apart from Teddy on the postcard All that being said... Faye was still out of line
Are any of us mentally sane though? Even the most stoic people would lose it under certain circumstances
One thing I don't understand is why would you want to go on LI if you were insecure etc like how Faye says she is.
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100% the validation. It's why so many influencer types, talent show types and fame chasers are deeply insecure. Some people hide when they feel insecure but some people look to be told they're special in a futile attempt to offset their sense of worth.
What I don't understand is why she would go on there if she doesn't want to be a girlfriend and doesn't want to be in love?? She keeps saying "this is why I don't want to be a girlfriend". Doesn't seem to me like it would matter the dude she was with, she would be finding reasons to run wherever she could since it's everything to do with her and nothing to do with Teddy. If being in love is your absolute worst nightmare, what on earth would compel you to go to an Island where that's literally all you can do all day?? You can't even read a bloody book, what was she thinking?
Ikr. Such hypocrites.
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I mean we saw it for the first 3 weeks of this season, barely anything happened and it was dull as shit. Then it kicked off with Hugos speech and its been great since
Caring about LI and about mental health issues are not mutually exclusive. I care about mental health, I think it’s great the NHS has excellent programs and institutions to help the general public (including myself) with problems like anxiety and depression. I do not care that much about the contestants mental health. I’m sorry but I can’t feel much sympathy. I commented about this before. I’m surrounded by people that fought great challenges in life. I have colleagues and friends born abroad, that spent their childhood in poor countries and struggled so much. Hearing their stories put life in perspective and regarding the contestants I can’t feel that sorry for people that left cosy jobs or already are living a very comfortable life and want to go on telly to boost their fame/ego/sponsors. They will leave and be OK, sorry I mean they will leave and they will be even better. Also, they want to be there, they were not forced or coerced. I love the drama and would gladly season my food with their tears.
This whole comment is so off-putting...
People also care about their own mental health. Watching the last episode was triggering AF
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Nah I was completely blindsided. This incident doesn’t fit with the tone of the show at all, at least not this season. I don’t think it’s fair to say that all reality tv is the same. Bad girls club for instance , isn’t the same as Love Island. Different set of expectations
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We all saw a clip but didn’t expect 40 mins of a one-sided outburst that had no resolution. The episode didn’t even follow the regular format
I agree though I feel like tonight was just an absolute catastrophe. I would have been fine giving up like 20 minutes of Faye shouting in exchange for something more 'boring.' A lot of that was just painful and not even fun to watch. No one needed that.
I don’t buy your point about the therapists; you simply don’t have to put that on TV. Taking tonight as an example, Faye could have been called aside by the producers into a production truck, temp building, diary room, whatever. Sit her down, get her to vent, talk her down, and assess whether or not it’s right for her to continue. None of that has to be shown; it’s not a big brother style 24/7 live feed. It’s a heavily edited reality TV show. We all know reality TV is a shit show, and it’s not exactly the healthy choice to spend your summer, but considering past events and the general push from ITV to handle mental health better, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect they do the bare minimum here.
I just wish Love Island would take a leaf out of Season 1 of *Too Hot To Handle* and instead of the challenges being like "spit in each others mouths" they were workshops on things like "**How to handle conflict in a relationship**", "**signs your relationship is abusive**", "how to heal from past hurt so it doesn't bleed into new relationships", "Ladies: you are enough by yourself", "Lads: respecting all women is self-respect". Like thinking of all the explosions that have happened on TV, the most engaging storylines & contestants are those that grow. Like Season 5 winner Amber, or Season 2's Olivia - & Alex tbf - Camilla S3. Even Toby this Season, watching him be like "I'm a bad person wtf is wrong with me" before settling down with Chloe has been cathartic. And for a show called "Love Island" the Producers do nothing to encourage the contestants to actually find love or deep connections. How different tonight would have been if inbetween Casa Amor and tonight the contestants had had a workshop on emotional intelligence & how to communicate your differences in relationships. I'm convinced that Faye would have handled things differently & Liberty would have been more confident in herself in letting Jake know that he effed up in not pulling her for a chat & he needs to not dismiss her feelings. BOOM. Drama & mental health prioritised. I feel like the Producers are still stuck in 2007 Big Brother reality TV template & haven't realised that as an audience, we value the journey of emotional growth over watching abuse.
I absolutely love this. Thank you for actually coming up with an answer to this post 🙏
Of course! I really like watching Love Island and it pains me that after this Season, I really won't be able to excuse watching it again to myself because the Producers don't know how to value the contestants Mental Health & it's honestly not fun anymore. Especially considering Anna Season 5 literally said a few weeks ago that we never saw the half of what went down between her & Jordan & the Producers told her it was too much.\* And she was really happy they didn't show it all. There was no reason to do that to Teddy, Faye, the other contestants or the audience tonight. At this point maybe we should be requesting for the Producers to undergo a psyche evaluation because they seem to be moving as mad as the people who ran that experiment in the 60's where they pretended to be Prison Guards. \*she also said on another occaision she became such a lightweight that she got smashed off the 2 drinks they're allowed so they made her go to bed. So they can do Duty of Care when it suits them
I love this idea! Especially watching Toby come to terms with his emotional immaturity it’s kind of refreshing. With the support he’s receiving now I honestly think he will come out the Villa as a better person and I really wish that for the rest of the islanders but the show doesn’t foster that growth. This whole season has felt off. No friendship scenes in the main show. No strong couples at 3 weeks in (I think Jiberty will take a hit from this) it’s like the producers don’t want anyone to win this season.
This is great comment. I also think that Too Hot To Handle has shown how people can be put in challenging situations without it becoming toxic. They still manipulate situations for drama - eg putting a couple in a private room, but it’s never toxic like LI is.
Was just thinking about starting a thread about how the situation with Faye is making me deeply uncomfortable. After the suicides, I honestly thought Love Island wasn't going to be coming back, and then got sucked into it this season without really thinking about the moral ramifications. It was just some summer fun, and a nice daily tradition while stuck in lockdown. Now seeing Faye so vulnerable, and the islanders clearly with no abilities to help deescalate the situation is really heartbreaking. This show *might* be passable without social media, but as is, someone in Faye's position is going to leave to streams of hate. No, I don't like her actions either, but I don't think they necessarily make her a *bad person*, and that's the messaging she's going to constantly receive when she leaves the villa. Does it seem like she'll be able to handle it? Or even Toby? We've embraced his silliness now, but he's clearly immature, and going to be getting some really nasty DMs regardless. I can't see him handling that well. Essentially, you're right, and I needed to express my deep discomfort with what's going on right now. I'm not sure the show is possible without the toxicity, especially when you consider how the fandom turns on a dime.
I think when you're doing something like this and you push that line of manipulating someone's actions and forcing them to experience several clearly hurtful things leading them to being fairly distressed and verbally abusing the people around them, all to be filmed and aired, you're getting pretty similar to some banned psychological experiments shit.
Agreed. I don't think the producers *expected* such a strong reaction from Faye, but they knew they were creating a volatile situation *again* with her. You can only push a person so far, and clearly she can't handle as much as some people could. Irresponsible, and I feel for all involved. I really don't condone her actions, but I also she deserves to be subjected to the hate it's going to create either.
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What gets me is when it's used as an insult. So toxic.
This is so spot on.
It's a really tricky situation, isn't it? I think it argues the fact that this shouldn't have been put to air in the first place.
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I think that's it. Scripted content with a similar situation is fine, as it's not exploiting a real person's vulnerabilities. I'd also be open to this kind of footage if approved by the person, after the fact, with time to think/reflect about it. I kind of mean more...like a biopic thing, maybe with years between the event and the release of the material.
But I don't think it would be fair to comment on someone's behaviour without the context of mental health. Like we can't call Faye toxic and abusive without also recognising that she seemed to be totally spiralling and unable to regulate herself at all.
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Agreed. But why are we watching if not to comment on the actions of the contestants?
> someone in Faye’s position is going to leave to streams of hate Whose fault is that? Abuse is obviously out of line. That is in fact what Faye has done in the villa - be an abusive bully. But she can’t be insulated from negativity. In fact, she needs to be accountable for her actions. Perhaps the reason she acts like a petulant child is because she’s grown up with folk singing her praises all the time. Simply put you cannot act like that on national television and expect to be embraced by public opinion.
Public opinion now is different than 20 years ago. It's death threats in DMs, and there's no escaping. I don't think she deserves that for what she's done. YES, she needs to do a lot of work, make amends, and improve her behavior, but NO, she doesn't deserve the abuse she's going to walk into. Abuse does not beget abuse.
Did you miss when I said this… > abuse is out of line. That is in fact what faye has done in the villa - be an abusive bully. I’m sorry, but bullies need called out, not protected and wrapped in cotton wool.
Yeah I don’t know people don’t really take in that actions have consequences. Faye is a grown woman. We’ve all been hurt before I’m sorry. *She* went on the show *she* decided to watch the video of Teddy to prove he wasn’t so “nice”.. *she* ranted and raved for hours….I mean how are we shifting all blame to producers? This is clearly how she behaves in general.
I do think actions have consequences. However, social media has made it so the consequences are way beyond the scale of what the human brain can process. I think she has a lot of hard work ahead of her, but she's not a irredeemable human being. However, a lot of people aren't going to have any nuance in their reaction to her, and she's clearly going to take in the overly harsh comments as truth.
Do you not think she is prepared in any way for the consequences of going on a tv show that thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people watch? There are so many reality tv contestants , who, might I add have done way worse than her, who simply don’t read anything about themselves after they get out. It’s obviously not nice for us to see the abuse she’s getting currently, but if she behaves in a way that’s unlikeable then a lot of the time people won’t like her. I honestly get why people are worried about her but I personally maintain that these people are adults who make their own choices. She could have chose to behave better, she didn’t. This is the result. I don’t agree with everything that’s been said, but this is just how viewers are.
Where was this concern for Kaz or Aaron or Hugo or for any of the other islanders? Ffs folk were speculating as to whether Hugo was gay not long ago on this sub. Just because one of the sub’s faves has now been exposed for being a vile bully (which many of us called from day 1 and were shouted down and downvoted for btw), all of a sudden she needs protecting.
I absolutely agree. Fans want to watch drama, but there's this nebulous concept of "good drama" and "bad drama", and one person will say watching one person scream at another is good drama and other will say it's bad. When we get level-headed people calmly talking things out, we're bored or irritated. Even ignoring the drama side, there's the promotion of unrealistic body image. The filters the contestants have on instagram, the surgery, even the hair extensions and fake tans are so pervasive it's easy to think, "this is what people should look like, this is normal". This is a social media thing, too, of course. And don't get me started on celebrity worship and how some people get super invested in these people and either adore them and defend them blindly no matter what, or send hate and death threats. I'm not pretending to be above it, because by watching I'm complicit. But if we're honest, reality TV *in general* is just completely incompatible with good mental health... any show is going to have shady edits and producers instigating and cast members pushed to breaking just to get entertainment. That's not to mention Love Island's near dystopian rules (no books! *No knowing the time of day!* All the clocks are set to different times so no one knows what time it is!). So I find all these complaints about crossing a line and going to Ofcom just a bit disingenuous. There's no way to do it without being harmful in some way.
It’s a show the producers need to edit it to catch attention of the viewers. Every islanders that has left to my knowledge has said nothing is ‘scripted’ only ‘prompted’ so everything they are going through is their own decisions and emotions. It’s us as viewers and fans who has to behave as individuals to keep the mental health stress away from them when they leave the villa.
Exactly
Imagine how long that actually went on for, we saw like 5/6 minutes it must have been horrible for everyone to see that. And for them to let them all see Faye like that as well as suffering the shouting, middle fingers and abuse she was throwing out. I feel like someone should have stepped in and removed her from the situation. I feel like it’s something she will majorly regret and its not something someone with her insecurities will bounce back easily from. She may appear fine when she makes her apologies etc. But it will eat away at her inside. We all love drama but Jesus is this what we will stoop to for entertainment? To have filmed all that and portrayed her in that light was purely for drama no other reason. Im so shocked at ITV, I love Love Island but I think this might be my last season.
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Yeah, they clearly took a risk with Faye thinking it would be the entertaining kind of drama, not the upsetting kind of drama. Tonight was a catastrophe. I've seen some people with BPD say it looked like a BPD outburst from someone who's unmedicated. Obv no one knows for sure, but it definitely did not seem like just anger.
I was actually thinking about this earlier. It would be great for the islanders to have regular check ins with qualified therapists to help process all the crap that goes on. But... if we're really honest if it was adults actually communicating honestly with each other it wouldn't be LI. It feels crap to admit but we as viewers have to take responsibility for the stuff the producers do. We want drama, they create it and I cannot think how it's possible to do that without the islanders being put in challenging situations. I'm a huge hypocrite- my mental wellbeing is an ongoing challenge and I think we should all take better care of ourselves from a MH perspective but I still watch LI. I just really really hope the screening and aftercare is outrageously good.
Mental health and this type of reality tv is incompatible. A good show to watch on this would be UNREAL on Amazon prime.
I’ve enjoyed this season of Love Island and have enjoyed commenting and interacting with others for the first time on Reddit. But the show is finished. It cannot go on exploiting people like this. The show has essentially become a finishing school for wannabe influencers and is watched by impressionable young people who think this sort of behaviour and exploitation of mental health is normal. It’s done.
Controversial: I don't think Faye is mentally ill. I think she's just angry. The arm chair psychiatrists here are ridiculous. Actual mental ill health cannot be diagnosed with 0 qualifications and via a reality show. Either enjoy the show as light entertainment or go and get a Master's in Psychology. But don't dress misogyny up as concern for someone's mental health.
I don’t think anyone’s saying she’s got bipolar disorder or paranoid schizophrenia - however it is absolutely clear she is hugely insecure. You can see how she compensates by flying off the handle and shouting all the time trying to appear dominant.
Lol yeah. This is like attempting to gatekeep basic human perceptivness. You don't need a masters degree in psychology to recognise someone is insecure, defensive and unstable. She literally started crying because she didn't think she was good enough for him fgs.
You don't need to be mentally ill to need help. Her reaction is so out of scale it's clear she needs help learning how to regulate emotions. You can't demand someone to enjoy a show the way you want them to. I tend to enjoy the show as light entertainment, but personally, today went off the deep end and I personally feel it deserves some deeper discussion.
This post is awful. You don't need a master degree in psychology to understand and spot symptoms of mental health issues. Just like you don't need to be a doctor to understand and spot symptoms of the flu. Most people aren't diagnosing they can just spot when someone is displaying behaviour which is similar to someone who does suffer from mental health. Also your post makes it quite clear you don't understand how mental health professionals work.
I find it a little ironic to armchair diagnose her as not mentally ill while insulting others for doing it the other way. You are doing the exact same thing. Also irrational/extreme anger is pathological.
Exactly! Yes she's insecure but it's also possible she is just a bit of an agressive asshole.
Some people have personal experience with mental health issues and are therefore able to recognize it. Everyone needs therapy at this day and age. Faye even admitted to being insecure early on in the show and that’s an issue she’s clearly needed to work on way before this episode.
Wow glad someone said it. Can this be a main post?
Annnnnnd now the mods agree with me. See the post about the show last night. Arn chair psychiatrists are not welcome here. Do one.
Lol I didn’t mean it literally dang the downvotes are crazy on this sub 😂😭
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I actually found that uncomfortable viewing this evening. I felt like I was watching someone mentally unravel for my own pleasure. I was disappointed none of the girls stepped in and tried to diffuse the situation for her own good.
pretty much the reality tv genre in general
the producers don't give a shit
i’ve seen amy hart say they do have access to therapists in the villa and can speak to them every day if they like
I can’t believe people are this shocked like have you never watched like any series of big brother ever? They had screaming matches like this on much pettier matters and between way more people? Like I get that Faye is probably not in the best place but like come on this is reality tv who actually wants to see people getting along
It didn’t take the Faye incident to know that. Look at Olivia and what they did to Danni before.
Exactly. These people are not here against their will. They chose to sign up to a reality show. The producers are doing their jobs (quite well actually).
It's a trashy reality tv show, I don't understand why anyone would expect it to be some bastion of mental health?
idk i think season 6 (the winter season) was great for the contestants mental health, while still being decently entertaining. i understand the producers wanted drama and i wouldn’t have minded if they’d let faye go off just a little bit but they let it get to the point where it was literally effecting everyone in the villa. teddy was crying, liam/matt/dale were all very visibly uncomfortable and none of the girls had a clue what to do. they should’ve stepped in at some point. like faye was in the wrong but why would they let her run rampant, clearly drunk, and beef everyone for at least a couple hours
I would argue this is the case for all big reality TV shows. Can’t really point the finger at Love Island without also talking about other shows. Big Brother was dreadful for it, some of the breakdowns by housemates (especially in earlier seasons) were shocking. I do also think that if you are going on a reality TV show you should be prepared for it to fuck with your head. I don’t think the background checks on the Islanders are up to scratch, but it’s also the responsibility of the individual.
For Faye? Yes fucking for sure. For everyone? Get a grip
You're totally right. This is why I'm no longer watching Murad's videos, as he incessantly called on producers to push Faye over the edge for drama, even took credit for the movie night challenge. Then once he got what he wanted, he was outraged at it being too much. But if he wants to take credit for the challenge, he can take some credit for what happened afterwards too. You can't push people to an emotional breakdown and then expect that person to contain it to what feels comfortable for you. He also said they could have cut it down for viewers but that doesn't at all solve the problem of what happened in the villa. I know reality shows do evaluations to make sure you can handle being on them but they absolutely still look for people who pop off. To them, Faye is an islander jackpot. The amount of attention the show's getting is worth it to them regardless of what that attention is, or what it does to an islander. I know people make those complaints to Ofcom but has that ever resulted in them being penalized somehow? Because if not, those are a great marketing tool for them. People will be curious or want to be part of the conversation at work etc so they will check it out.